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"palestinians"

eglamkowski (631706) writes | more than 10 years ago

User Journal 3

Ok, I've been "debating" on usenet over the Israel v. Palestine issue (largely as a result of the killing of Yassin). I think I'm done with it, so here's my summary analysis of the conflict:

In life, there are winners and losers. The arabs (the so-called "palestinians") are the losers. The jews are the winners.

Is this "fair"? Does fairness even matter? Did anyone ever promise that life would be fair? I could use more "fairness" in my life too, but them's the breaks.

Ok, I've been "debating" on usenet over the Israel v. Palestine issue (largely as a result of the killing of Yassin). I think I'm done with it, so here's my summary analysis of the conflict:

In life, there are winners and losers. The arabs (the so-called "palestinians") are the losers. The jews are the winners.

Is this "fair"? Does fairness even matter? Did anyone ever promise that life would be fair? I could use more "fairness" in my life too, but them's the breaks.

Well, that about sums it up.

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Middle east (1)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 10 years ago | (#8672543)

When it comes to the Middle East, IMO, there is no longer any concept of fair. It's just a mess, plain and simple.

Very true, but... (0)

ObviousGuy (578567) | more than 10 years ago | (#8674766)

The idea that the Jews were right in pushing the Palestinian refugees into the ghettos of the West Bank and Gaza just because they were the victors in 1957 does not work for me. Neither does Israel's policy of bending to the demands of Jewish settlers to bulldoze Palestinian neighborhoods to erect settlements.

In my last journal entry I called the Jewish treatment of the Palestinians "Apartheid". I do not back down from this, and it is not the only apt analogy, in my opinion. There are parallels with Nazi Germany, America and the "Trail of Tears", and even the schoolyard bully. These are not analogies I am trying to minimize, not am I trying to blow out of proportion the actions of the Jews. Nor am I attempting to absolve the Palestinian radicals of their terrorist actions and the Palestinian people of their implicit and explicit support of those terrorists. However, the actions of the Israeli government in their attempts to control the Palestinian population through force, coercion, and subversion was from the outset distasteful and guaranteed to enflame rather than pacify the Palestinians.

Sharon's move to halt and rollback settlements is a momentous forward step in the final bringing of peace to Israel, but the erection of the wall in the West Bank is a step backwards and just continued ill-treatment of the Palestinians.

Is this to say that Israel isn't allowed to defend itself? No, of course not. Israel is absolutely right to seek out and eliminate terrorist entities within its borders. However, the manner in which they go about it, i.e. mafia-style killings, is horrendous and only serves to continue the decline of Israel's reputation in the international community. No foreign country can tell Israel how to go about policing itself, but it can indeed tell Israel how it should not be going about it. Carrying out executions with neither trial nor sentencing nor presentation of evidence is exactly the type of justice that the civilized world cannot accept.

Israel must take the lead in the peace process by helping establish a controlling authority for the Palestinians. It cannot pit one faction against the other as it did through the 80's and 90's where it switched from supporting Hamas to supporting the PLO. If the Palestinians are to ever have normalized relations with the world, Israel must give legitimacy to one Palestinian ruling entity, which seems to be the PLA at the moment. The obvious problem here is that Arafat has declared himself the lifelong leader of the Palestinian movement and has stymied legitimizing efforts of the PLA government. Regardless, Israel must establish a dialogue with the PLA and the Prime Minister thereof. It cannot do that as long as it continues to piss them off by carrying out assassinations as it has.

The road to peace is long and most of it is still in front of us. The Palestinians aren't all Hamas, nor are they all the PLA. They are a mixed group of people of different religions with different hopes and desires. The same goes for Israel, they aren't all Likud hardliners and they certainly aren't all Messianic Jews trying to create an "Israel for the Jews". Most people just want peace and humane treatment. They don't want to live in fear of being blown up at a supermarket or cafe, and they don't want to worry that when they come home from constructing an Israeli settlement that their house has been razed to make room for the next settlement.

It is absolutely correct, as you have said, that Israel is the victors and the Palestinians are the losers. However, if we are to consider Israel a modern democracy, we must demand the same observation of human rights that we demand of all Western nations. This goes for both the manner in which it eliminates enemies of the nation as well as the manner in which it treats Palestinian civilians.

'palestinians' (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 10 years ago | (#8676880)

Of course they lost. Syria won't let them win. Much like Turkey won't let the Kurds win (or the Cypriots). Yup, that scrap of land in Israel should be given to the palestinians, but fuck you if you think we're giving up a square centimeter of Syria.
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