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"Progressive politics is rooted in racism."

smitty_one_each (243267) writes | about 9 months ago

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And what a source! (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 9 months ago | (#46460185)

Obviously there is no finer source of journalism than pajamas media. Whatever they say must be the indisputable truth, thank you for sharing this with us. I'll be sure to let all the progressives in the congressional black caucus know that they are raging racist bastards, as certainly if pajamas media says it to be so, then it must be!

Re:And what a source! (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#46461971)

As the opposite of anything you say tends to toward truth, your remark weighs in somewhere around a complement.

Re:And what a source! (1)

Arker (91948) | about 9 months ago | (#46462101)

Aw come on. You have no problem at all flat out calling others racist for their politics so you dont get to call foul now. Fair for the goose is fair for the gander.

And I gotta say, it's certainly not a rigorous academic article just an essay, and I still dont agree with it all, but there is a core to what he is saying that seems indisputably true.

Victim disarmament laws are historically a racist phenomenon and even though I dont believe any current advocates of them would admit racist motivation today the actual effect remains strongly racist as well. It's hard to look at laws that originated in racism, that clearly have a racist effect, and not suspect that those currently supporting the continuation of those laws may be motivated at least in part by implicit racism, even if I accept that they are not consciously aware of it. Implicit racism is very real. To some degree it's probably truly unavoidable for people who grow up in an environment which fosters it, such as the typical US urban area.

The bit about the rural/urban divide in America is an observation I have made many times in the past. There are two Americas and we dont really even speak the same language. Sometimes we understand foreigners better than we understand each other.

Re:And what a source! (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 9 months ago | (#46462333)

You have no problem at all flat out calling others racist for their politics so you dont get to call foul now.

Be careful how you use the word "you".

As desperately as he has tried to get me to, I have never, not once, called smitty racist. Even as many times as he has called me racist without anything to support his claim, I have never called him one.

seems indisputably true

Wow, if your beliefs are rooted in such certainty, then obviously what other people observe must automatically be wrong, right?

Re:And what a source! (1)

Arker (91948) | about 9 months ago | (#46464421)

"As desperately as he has tried to get me to, I have never, not once, called smitty racist. Even as many times as he has called me racist without anything to support his claim, I have never called him one."

So what was this?

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4867351&threshold=-1&commentsort=1&mode=thread&pid=46446651#46448255

"Wow, if your beliefs are rooted in such certainty, then obviously what other people observe must automatically be wrong, right?"

Not at all. They must be seeing things from a different point of view somehow. It may not be a *better* point of view - but it's possible it could be, and at least it might be something interesting.

I think that's the difference between me and most of the partisans for either side. I am actually fine with disagreement, I find it interesting, as long as it can sustain a conversation on a somewhat higher level than 'nuhuh' 'uhuh'

As to the policy itself, it's mostly an insulting annoyance for rural folks (though we, and I think not without cause, worry that it will slide down the slope and become worse) but not yet a truly enormous, practical problem on a day to day basis. For a great many minority residents of US citizens, it is a daily threat. Decent citizens in our urban slums (of any color, but obviously demographics means this hits minorities disproportionately) are caught in a cruel trap between the cops and the criminals.

It's no mistake that the modern era of victim disarmament laws started in California and were aimed directly at the Black Panther Party.

Re:And what a source! (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 9 months ago | (#46464695)

"As desperately as he has tried to get me to, I have never, not once, called smitty racist. Even as many times as he has called me racist without anything to support his claim, I have never called him one."

So what was this?

http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

That is a link to someone else calling smitty a bigot. That comment was not from me. Again, I have never called smitty a racist, in spite of the large number of times that he has desperately and plainly tried to bait me in to doing so.

It's no mistake that the modern era of victim disarmament laws

Holy leap of logic, batman! If you are trying to make a point you need to fill in the blanks.

Re:And what a source! (1)

Arker (91948) | about 9 months ago | (#46465175)

My apologies, you are correct, I had mentally attributed the wrong identity to you and I do apologize for the confusion.

"Holy leap of logic, batman! If you are trying to make a point you need to fill in the blanks."

I assume you mean to say you are not aware of the circumstances surrounding the drafting and passage of the Mulford act?

Simply googling black panthers gun control will give you several thousand hits, many from left wing organizations I assume you will find more credible than the others, but the story is widely reported and well documented.

The Black Panthers organized militias to defend their neighborhoods, they asserted their second amendment rights, and the California political establishments, both sides, united thunderously to strip them of those rights in response. That was in 1967.

Re:And what a source! (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about 9 months ago | (#46470817)

People who think they're being clever by overriding my font choices tend to get ignored by me unless it's to apply a -1, Pretentious and Self-Serving. And I've mod points today. Just sayin'...

Seriously, quit trying to do the I'm A Special Snowflake Pretending I'm Using A Retro-Trendy IBM Selectric And Everyone Else Must Participate In My Little Fantasy thing and let your message speak for itself.

Re:And what a source! (1)

Arker (91948) | about 9 months ago | (#46470983)

GFY.

(I am not overriding your font choices. If your browser isnt obeying your font choices you really should address that with your browser.

Re:And what a source! (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#46471253)

You have to understand that there are those deem "all attack, all the time" as a "liberal" mindset.
The sun has set on the days of:
  • dispassionately considering all sides of an issue
  • seeking to honor good intentions and results where found
  • being honest about shortcomings in one's own thinking
  • trying to build up the person on the other end of the conversation, rather than destroy them

I myself have a handful of people on here and Twitter that I just no longer give the benefit of the doubt, after enough false accusations of racism, plagiarism (the latest farce), and seeking POTUS-cide. I mostly succeed in finding amusement in this.

Re:And what a source! (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 9 months ago | (#46480423)

...the Mulford act...

Ah yes, Reagan... Was he a "progressive"?

Re:And what a source! (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about 9 months ago | (#46494999)

...the Mulford act...

Ah yes, Reagan... Was he a "progressive"?

By the standards of 2014...

Re:And what a source! (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 9 months ago | (#46495255)

Which is strange, even now these guys still idolize him.

Re:And what a source! (1)

Arker (91948) | about 9 months ago | (#46466841)

Isn't the Atlantic a "Progressive" source?

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

Salon did a pretty decent article on this as well.

Re:And what a source! (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#46495403)

Don't threaten damn_registrars with thought!

this makes me a sad panda (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | about 9 months ago | (#46461257)

It's sad to me when someone on the Right acts like those on the Left.

And besides, it shows complete misunderstanding. The author and maybe you think that's tit-for-tat, but it's not. This contains gobs and gobs of paragraphs of faux reasoned arguments, but the Left never provides any backing. Because that's beside the point. The point is to simply to bully and end discussion, certainly not to invite one or provide any kind of surface area for rebuttals. This is the opposite of modeling the anti-intellectualism of (the tactics of) the Left, and therefore any capturing of the true essence of the "Racist!" bomb. To wield it like they do, one must just throw it and run. Without the cowardice and vacuousness, it's just not genuine copycatting.

Re:this makes me a sad panda (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#46462017)

It's one thing to play the "Beatitudes card" on an individual basis; I certainly try such with some of the knuckleheads here on /., for example.
And I'll buy off that there is a thread of truth to your point: one must ensure that, in going to war, one does not become the enemy.
However, as a counter-argument, all of the concern trolling winds up giving aid an comfort to a soul-less foe carried out on a general level. Read the rest of Zombie's posts. He's deep in the enemy territory of California, reporting some wild, wild stuff.

Re:this makes me a sad panda (1)

RailGunner (554645) | about 9 months ago | (#46462989)

Read the rest of Zombie's posts. He's deep in the enemy territory of California, reporting some wild, wild stuff.

I'm pretty sure Zombie's a woman.

Re:this makes me a sad panda (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#46470031)

Interesting. I have no idea.

Nice try (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 9 months ago | (#46467945)

One thing you can always say about the right-wing in America:

It's always about projection.

They have it in their DNA to try to misdirect by blaming others for that which is their most defining property. They think it's some kind of super-secret jujutsu that they can do because some consultant told them to. But it doesn't fool anyone. Look how long they've been trying it.

Smitty makes a big deal about his Christian faith and lives and breathes dishonesty. He thinks that it's OK because he's doing God's work or something. Just look into fhe faces - into the eyes - of the old-line soldiers in the Right to see where this ends up. Go find a photo of Mark Levin and look at the dead, flat eyes. That is not what the grace of God looks like.

Smitty, let go of the corruption before it gets to the point where it will never let go of you.

Re:Nice try (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#46470039)

Well, as long as we're 100% sure that this is purely a right-wing phenomenon, and the left is pure as the driven snow, then I guess it's all swell.









You're as daft as damn_registrars.

Re:Nice try (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 9 months ago | (#46470515)

Oh, "The Left" has it's own peculiarities. But the efforts to turn every one of their own inherent properties into an accusation against their opponents is a hallmark of the Religious Right.

Can we relax, and be honest? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#46471327)

Accusations are as old and devilish as Satan himself. The left/right dichotomy is a comparatively recent bugaboo, dating to the French Revolution [wikipedia.org] . While Saul Alinsky gets credited for being Mr. Finger Pointer, Rules for Radicals really broke no new ground, did it?

Re:Can we relax, and be honest? (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 9 months ago | (#46483325)

The left/right dichotomy is a comparatively recent bugaboo...

Which you try to make much use of in your diversionary tactics.

So, if "progressive" politics is rooted in racism, what is religious bigotry (oh, I'm sorry, religious freedom) that is used to deny equal rights rooted in?

Re:Can we relax, and be honest? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#46489169)

what is religious bigotry (oh, I'm sorry, religious freedom) that is used to deny equal rights rooted in?

I'm afraid you'll have to offer an example. Also, a definition of "religious". Do you mean "religious" in the sense of the Church of Global Warming, or something else?

Re:Can we relax, and be honest? (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 9 months ago | (#46489649)

I'm afraid you'll have to offer an example.

"God Hates Fags". But you already knew that, and just like to play dumb. :-)

Re:Can we relax, and be honest? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#46491083)

Indeed, God created the lung for pure atmospheric interaction, and despises cigarettes, for all He's be caught enjoying a good maduro now and then.
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