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HDTV Tivo Please! Moderation Overhaul Notes

CmdrTaco (1) writes | more than 10 years ago

User Journal 2

The High Def Tivos are apparently available in extremely limited quantities now... specifically the HR10-250.. I can't find one., but I'm lusting in an unholy way. Anyone know how I can get one? It seems like SOMEONE out there has to have a connection! I'm all ready to go- got my triple LNB sat dish setup. Still need an over-the-air antenna for some local stations, but that mostly involves mounting metal on my roof. I'm scared of heights. Not sure if Kathleen is up to this taskThe High Def Tivos are apparently available in extremely limited quantities now... specifically the HR10-250.. I can't find one., but I'm lusting in an unholy way. Anyone know how I can get one? It seems like SOMEONE out there has to have a connection! I'm all ready to go- got my triple LNB sat dish setup. Still need an over-the-air antenna for some local stations, but that mostly involves mounting metal on my roof. I'm scared of heights. Not sure if Kathleen is up to this task :)

Many users provided me with interesting bits of feedback about my plans to replace threshold with viewing modes and volume controls. Overwhelmingly positive feedback with a few good points that I'll take into consideration. The biggest challange will be retaining context for users who want it. This will be tied to volume controls... we will provide a drop down with a few different volume controls: one will be very strict, choosing only the best comments, often (usually?) at the expense of context. Another setting will provide many comments and more context... at the bottom will be an uncut view with all the glorious context, even if said context is crap... I think this is gonna work out pretty well.

My next major problem is the moderation labels. Insightful, Informative, Interesting. These have a lot of overlap. I'd like to update the list of mod labels with a handful of new labels that will make it easier to focus discussions. We're not gonna add things like 'Pun' or 'Asshole', but I would love to do a better job letting moderators choose appropriate labels. Perhaps labels that address specific problems (plagerisim? opinionated? misleading?). I don't know exactly what these labels are... but I always appreciate feedback (in my journal if you can post, or my inbox if you can't). A good moderation label has a matching up and down label (like Funny, Unfunny). I really hope that most labels in the revamp have opposites so we can remove 'Overrated' and 'Underrated' and instead let you moderate an Interesting comment as Uninteresting. (Assuming we keep 'Interesting' that is).

A very good point was made by a forgotten user who emailed me... why include a score at all? Percentages? Scores? What true benefit does this provide a casual reader? Assuming our scoring system works, your preferences say "I want to read only a few comments, and I want to read with less humor". Do they really CARE that a comment that they are reading scores within the 93rd percentile of all comments? If they want to read more comments, they simply choose a mode that gives them more comments. We can offer scores to logged in users who turn them on... but for anonymous users reading at default modes, are the scores simply distracting? I'm not talking about the labels here... I think a comment with a note in the header saying it is 60% Insightful is more helpful than today's "Score:4" or a revised system with something like '55th Percentile". Users will always be able to find the garbage posts by increasing the volume of comments they read... but some users carry their Score:-1 comments as a badge of honor, or proof of a conspiracy against them. Anything I can do to remove "The Game" can only serve to improve the focus of discussions for the vast majority of our readers who never post, and just don't want to read garbage.

I suspect that would be a helluva controversial move tho.

It's also worth noting that the Karma Bonus is deprecated under this new system... I think that might bother people too... posters LIKE their karma bonus. I get angry email whenever ANYTHING related to the bonus comes into question. Users feel that it is their god given right to have that checkbox. But in this new system, the function... the simple Score+1 bonus no longer really exists... instead the users karma is one of countless factors used to sort discussions. It's probably worth running some stats to see what % of users with the karma bonus available to them choose to use it vs disable it.

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The Game (1)

daeley (126313) | more than 10 years ago | (#8988017)

What about making those elements of /. that are "The Game" subscriber-only features? In other words, simplifying as desired and proposed (and, I think, necessary) for the majority of your readers, but giving subscribers more fine-tuned control? Pay to play ;)

Also, it might be worth asking what problem that Karma is the "solution" for -- and if it doesn't solve a problem or provide added value anymore, modifying it into something that fits better with your new system. Like, say, karma x userid (or some other, better formula).

We talked last time about potentially hiding the percentiles in descriptive phrases and perhaps removing the artificial -1..5 boundaries. If that were done, and posts could be modified with little or no throttle, then might not Karma be modified along with it? Again, hidden, so that it isn't The Game?

Re:The Game (2)

CmdrTaco (1) | more than 10 years ago | (#8995721)

Karma does serve a very important purpose- I need to have metrics for determining moderator eligibility (on one end of the spectrum) and robot posting/crapflooding (on the poopy end of the spectrum). Unfortunately Karma alone doesn't do a great job at solving either of those... but when coupled with a handful of other numbers, I can make a reasonable stab at which users are good, and which users are bad (for the purposes of moderation, post rate throttling etc). The default score bonuses are a fun side benefit, but not the point. And making user A's karma visible to user B serves little purpose... although part of me would love to make it available again. I think users would benefit greatly by seeing some sort of indicator in the comment header when a user has a long history of posting garbage to the site... unfortunately feedback feeds the negative side of some people far more than it feeds the positive sides of everyone else.

Some functions of the new system will be for moderators, but hopefully not many. I really want the entire Slashdot population to benefit from improvements in the discussion system.

Perhaps we create a new scoring system similiar to karma... with terrible/bad/neutral/good/excellent. Since numbers aren't associated with these labels, the "Game" part of it is reduced. Of course, not all 'Good' comments will be equal internally... in a large discussion, a user who only wants a couple dozen comments might see only excellent comments, but not ALL the excellent comments, so we'll have to differentiate internally.

Also, I'd prefer to not explicitly have negative labels for comments if possible... I understand better now that these things are relative. 'Score:-1' is a badge of honor for some, just the same as it is a pile of poo to step around to another. These are all variables of how you choose to read Slashdot... and hopefully user preferences will affect that. Of course, using percentiles has a great advantage too- the percentiles are relative to viewing mode. A comment rated in the 5th percentile in 'Stay on Target' mode with a user setting to keep the discussion to a couple dozen comments is still a great comment. While a user reading with full context enabled and the blinders totally off is going to see serious garbage at the 5th percentile. So those percentiles will be relative to your viewing mode.

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