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Bluegrass, HDTV,

CmdrTaco (1) writes | more than 10 years ago

User Journal 6

Last night Kathleen & I went to see Allison Kraus, along with a host of other folk singers at the Fox Theater in Detroit. (Thanks Cliff!). Over the course of the evening, we saw like a half a dozen acts, and many of the performers from the Oh Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack. It was a pretty impressive show. It was in stark contrast to The Strokes who we saw earlier this week... much less body surfing, many more bald heads. I enjoyed both shows, but for completely different reasons.Last night Kathleen & I went to see Allison Kraus, along with a host of other folk singers at the Fox Theater in Detroit. (Thanks Cliff!). Over the course of the evening, we saw like a half a dozen acts, and many of the performers from the Oh Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack. It was a pretty impressive show. It was in stark contrast to The Strokes who we saw earlier this week... much less body surfing, many more bald heads. I enjoyed both shows, but for completely different reasons.

I got my HD Tivo finally. I read on the Tivo Community Forums that ABC warehouse had a few (ABC is a midwest electronics store.. they have a dozen or so outlets around michigan and often they have slimey sales people. I hate people working on commission usually.). I called a few of the local stores and got vastly conflicting stories, but mostly they amounted to "They have them in the central warehouse, but not here." Since a guy in the forum claimed he bought 6 from his local outlet, I figured out where their central warehouse is, and called all the ABC outlets near it. On my third call I got lucky- they had one on a truck, just 30 or so minutes away. Victory is mine!

I've since hooked up an antenna with mixed results. I get all the stations I wanted except UPN (No Star Trek Enterprise for me!). A few of the channels break up a little. Since pretty much everything I care about watching on network TV ends in the next week or so, I'm not super broke up, and I have the summer to figure out how to resolve it. Of course, I'm quite scared of heights, so clomping around on the roof assembling an antenna, and aiming it was quite the treat. Yikes. But DAMN HDTV is cool. I just wish everything I watched was available high def.

What's strange is that while my direction antenna is aimed at detroit (east) I'm actually getting signals from Toledo (south). Not GREAT signals, but pretty good. From my location I probably can get Toledo, Lansing, and Detroit. No particular reason to actually bother, and I don't want the roof of my house to look like I'm conducting elaborate science in the basement, but it is pretty neat. Its strange how HDTV is resurecting the old fashioned antenna, just when it seemed like satellites and cable would kill it.

In work related news, I have an odd story to relay. A guy emailed me a few weeks ago to complain that he was being "Mod Bombed". Specificly, he cited the potential for abuse in the Overrated mod tag... since Over/Underrated aren't subject to M2, a bad moderator can use those tags to escape the wrath of the meta moderator. Of course, there are other checks in there too, and statistically, people don't substantially use these tags more than the others, so while there is potential for abuse, it's actually not as large of a problem as people think. But it CAN be abused, and occasionally it is. Anyway, this guy feared conspiracy, so I checked in on him... and sure enough, someone had moderated him down 5 times, overrated, in a very short amount of time. None of his comments were particularly bad or good. Probably not worthy of the abuse.

But thats not the funny part... the funny part is that the complainer did the exact same thing. He used the overrated tag on another user a bunch of times... in FACT, he used his mod points on the very user who moderated him down. The two of them were waging a little mod war against each other, and one tattled on the other. I guess this is something else I need to consider in a future revision of the mod system. But I'm still preetty amazed... it takes a lot of balls to try to tattle on someone when you are doing the very thing you are tattling about.

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Is modbombing actually against the rules? (0)

sllort (442574) | more than 10 years ago | (#9153265)

To my knowledge, neither of these guys have a legitimate complaint, correct? It's been common knowledge for over a year now [slashdot.org] that Overrated is the tool of choice for destroying another user's Karma. With moderation timestamps gone, the victim now has no chance of discovering what's happened.

What's bothering me about your journal is this: is modbombing actually against some rule? It's not in the FAQ. And the only time I've seen you editors comment on the matter, Michael said "if you are going to post stuff that other people don't like, you should expect a bad result" - a quote which I've always taken to be tacit approval of modbombing.

Then there's your take [slashdot.org] on the matter: "however only a smaller percentage of those moderators actually use their points... hundreds of users moderated it up [and I subsequently banned them all] I modded it [the comment] down a few times too"

You've publicly stated that you've spam-moderated down a single comment, a modbombing feat that normal users can't achieve. Michael says that modbombing is always just punishment for bad posting. And even this journal doesn't say that you took corrective action, or even that either one of these people did something bad.

Doesn't this mean that modbombing is not only admin-approved, but A Good Thing? If people are bitching about it, shouldn't there be some sort of policy?

One thing you could do instead of being amused at the conclusions people draw with incomplete data is give them data so they won't have to beg for it. You don't have to make moderation results public, but putting the name of your moderator and the timestamp in the messages would end this kind of guessing game, and end all the conspiracy theories.

Unless, of course, the conspiracy theorists are right.

Additionally giving away the stats that these guys got [umich.edu] to the entire community might allow the community to do analysis of the mod system that you haven't the time nor inclination to do. Admittedly that article is going into a peer-reviewed journal so they'll have to give their data away eventually, but that's just a snapshot.

Re:Is modbombing actually against the rules? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#9153393)

I read the above and your examples not as that it was officially sanctioned but that CmdrTaco doesn't believe ultimately it's an issue worth dealing with, because it happens rarely, because the victims aren't usually completely innocent, etc.

I suspect that's more true today than it's ever been, thanks to the friends and foes system. Someone modded bombed one individual [slashdot.org] who regularly posts stuff I find interesting down to oblivion in an obvious (and successful, given he's posting at -1 now) attempt to destroy his karma. This might matter, except that I suspect most Slashdotters have him on a friends or foes list by now. He's on my friends list, friends have a +3 bonus, so I see his postings regardless of whether they've been modded back up or not. And if he's particularly pissed about it, he can always create a new account.

Re:Is modbombing actually against the rules? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 10 years ago | (#9153425)

Ooops, there was supposed to be a space there, looks like Slashcode ate it. Should have used %20 [slashdot.org] anyway.

Right (0)

sllort (442574) | more than 10 years ago | (#9154939)

Isn't the fact that you & I are interpreting multi-year old quotes over this in order to hammer out what the policy is proof that there should be a policy?

mod bomb (1)

JDizzy (85499) | more than 10 years ago | (#9154899)

I have to say I've been doing this as long as i've been aware of the potential. In my user perspective, mod bombing somebody is not an ilegitimate use of mod points. Fact is we are granted points to use as we see fit. Certainly moderating has become more anoying that a fun thing, and I have to ask myself what do I get out of moderating except to pump the ego some some stranger. So why not use mod points to bomb somebody? At least that way They go to somebody I know, either friend or foe. In fact I find that to be the best useage of those friend/freak/foe dots (to locate the people I'm going to over-rate). I mean can we have it go both ways: anonymous moderation, and 100% civilized?

Maybe it would be wise to restrict moderation to be not on the 1st degree friends/foe lists? Possibly disallow moderation of the same user repeated times?

Seems to me that mod bombing is a good thing except when people start using scripts to manage a bunch of user accounts, collectively mod bombing. However, I know how you are about scripts, and i don't see that working since you don't allow any user-agent to repeatedly interact in rapid fire mode.

Let me walk you thru the process a bit: Oh wow, i got mod points, and I had better use them or lose them. Darn, I don't feel like reading the comments right now, too much effort. Why don't i just flip over to the friend/foe list in my profile. Oh nice, I see a few friends have been commenting, doesn't matter about what... I like them so they get underrated. Oh looky, a foe or a freak has made the unwise decision to make a few comments, well they get over-rated, andI don't have to read the comments because I don't like them and they don't like me. Alrighty then, 5 points used up, and they didn't go to waste!

That is about it!

You may be interested in: (0)

sllort (442574) | more than 10 years ago | (#9155996)

slash/sql/mysql/upgrades:

INSERT INTO vars (name, value, description) VALUES ('m2_consequences_repeats','3=-4|5=-12|10=-100','T oken penalties for modding same user multiple times, applied at M2 reconcile time');

By their comments, modbombing is good, but the code allows administrators to penalize users in tokens for this behavior, which would indicate bad.

FYI.
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