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An old, ex-liberal, on the state of the Left

smitty_one_each (243267) writes | about 4 months ago

User Journal 27

Roger Simon is a great American:
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=174&load=9597
Interestingly, Simon assumes the "born that way" position on sexuality (I guess his son is gay).
As noted elsewhere, I think that's a rationalization. Then again, we'll see if either of my sons falls prey to this modern deception. I doubt I'd love them less, but I'll likely take it as a personal failure.Roger Simon is a great American:
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=174&load=9597
Interestingly, Simon assumes the "born that way" position on sexuality (I guess his son is gay).
As noted elsewhere, I think that's a rationalization. Then again, we'll see if either of my sons falls prey to this modern deception. I doubt I'd love them less, but I'll likely take it as a personal failure.

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27 comments

For shame (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46693561)

It's a downright dirty shame that you value conformity more than anything, to the point of denying the fact that genetics has any effect on the "choices" we make. I would have to say that you choose to remain clueless, unless you want to admit that religion is hereditary and can't be altered. Well, good luck on your mission of propaganda. It will interesting to see how things turn out.

I doubt I'd love them less...???

Talk about your non-committal! Towards your own child, no less... Yep, you definitely found religion.. That has to be one of the most disappointing things I have ever seen you post.

Re:For shame (1)

RailGunner (554645) | about 4 months ago | (#46693833)

to the point of denying the fact that genetics has any effect on the "choices" we make.

Free will doesn't exist? Or are you simply claiming that you are essentially a mindless automaton?

unless you want to admit that religion is hereditary

Religion is a personal choice.

and can't be altered

Well, the Almighty himself says He is eternal and unchanging (as He is perfect), so why would there be a need for religion to be altered?

Churches adapt, and some language gets clarified, but the core tenets of the faith are unchanging.

Re:For shame (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46694037)

Free will doesn't exist?

It doesn't matter. It still comes from the brain, just like your deities. All in man's image. So, if you imagine "him" to be perfect, then "he" is perfect, whatever your version of "perfect" is. I see nature as perfectly incorruptibly indifferent. The rules are absolute and inviolable, and we live within them whether we like it or not.

Churches adapt because they want money...

Re:For shame (1)

RailGunner (554645) | about 4 months ago | (#46694563)

"Fustakrakich" is a bad nick name for you. You should rechristen yourself as "homunculus" since that is all you appear to believe yourself to be.

Re:For shame (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46697485)

Not just me, you too..

That is all the evidence reveals. You know something we don't? Can you prove otherwise?

Re:For shame (1)

RailGunner (554645) | about 4 months ago | (#46697755)

Not without you becoming Catholic and taking communion, and feeling the fire inside when you consume the host.

However, my own experiences are more than enough proof for me.

Re:For shame (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46699371)

Not without you becoming Catholic and taking communion...

:-) Oy! the things you don't know. Pax tecum brutha!

Re:For shame (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46700225)

However, my own experiences are more than enough proof for me.

Yeah. That works for UFOs too.

Re:For shame (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 4 months ago | (#46695247)

So, there is no objective truth?

Re:For shame (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46697243)

Do it matter?

Re:For shame (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46697281)

Let me come in again...

Does it matter? Anyway, the laws of physics are objective enough for me.

Get this (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 4 months ago | (#46693959)

It's a downright dirty shame that you value conformity more than anything, to the point of denying the fact that genetics has any effect on the "choices" we make.

It's a downright absurd outburst of silliness that you contend conformity is bad.
Do you deny 2+2=4
Do you drive against traffic?
Do you stick your head in a toilet and inhale a bowlful?
Do you TtYyPpEe LlIiKkEe Aa JjEeRrKk FfOoRr FfUuNn?
Of course you don't. Conformist swine. Stay beautiful.

Re:Get this (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46694051)

:-) Nice diversion

Re:Get this (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 4 months ago | (#46694245)

How did I gayly deviate and queer your point in any way, sir?

Re:Get this (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46697363)

You simply evaded it.

Re:Get this (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 4 months ago | (#46699787)

I thought I gave it a "head on, applied directly to the forehead [youtube.com] ". Where do you see a delta?

Re:Get this (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46700175)

Nope, wrong river... wrong planet

Where do you see a delta?

Can't say. I'm in the other room.

Re:For shame (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | about 4 months ago | (#46694189)

Genetics has an effect on the choices we make. Knowing that, means we can make different choices.

Re:For shame (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 4 months ago | (#46694297)

I don't deny effects, but I'm anxious that no one this side of a case of Down's Syndrome has any sort of excuse before God.

Catholic Perspective (1)

RailGunner (554645) | about 4 months ago | (#46693811)

Same sex attraction is not sin, it is temptation.
It is not sinful to be tempted, it is only sin when you act on it.

I find women attractive. If I act on that attraction with a women who is not my wife, I have sinned. Same goes for people with same sex attraction -- it's not sinful until they act on it.

Re:Catholic Perspective (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 4 months ago | (#46693869)

Strong concur. But it gets stronger when you consider the unintended consequences of the notion that sexual orientation is either a social construct or that homosexuality is hard-wired.

Re:Catholic Perspective (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46701315)

You have chosen to remain ignorant of scientific consensus. Oh wait, it's true, the gay mafia got to them too, right?

More settled science (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 4 months ago | (#46702849)

Beat me with a hockey stick, baby.

Re:More settled science (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46704593)

Eh, you're probably right. Everybody's been bought, including the church of course. They're pretty good at hockey too.

Re:More settled science (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 4 months ago | (#46709089)

I'm confident that my local New Testament Church, at least, remains un-bought.
The rest of "christendom" is a crap shoot.

Re:More settled science (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#46716523)

Your confidence is based on trust, not knowledge. You trust that your church remains un-bought. Judging by my assumption that it is a very small church, your trust can be well placed, maybe... But the big ones, with all their clout? Worse than Washington DC... no, sorry, merely the same, same ambitions, same goals as any large institution will have. Nature on parade.

Re:More settled science (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 4 months ago | (#46719977)

Judging by my assumption that it is a very small church, your trust can be well placed, maybe... But the big ones, with all their clout?

How would I begin to know? Except to know that God knows, and will ultimately crush the false.

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