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Heritage Foundation, In Their Own Words

damn_registrars (1103043) writes | about 5 months ago

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Smitty has recently linked to a Heritage Foundation page trying to distance itself from the mandate in the health insurance act of 2010. It isn't a surprise that they would want to try to make it look like the mandate wasn't their idea, as it is wildly unpopular with their base. What is surprising, though, is how epically they failed in distancing themselves from it.Smitty has recently linked to a Heritage Foundation page trying to distance itself from the mandate in the health insurance act of 2010. It isn't a surprise that they would want to try to make it look like the mandate wasn't their idea, as it is wildly unpopular with their base. What is surprising, though, is how epically they failed in distancing themselves from it.

For example (from the actual article):

I held the view that as a technical matter, some form of requirement to purchase insurance was needed in a near-universal insurance market to avoid massive instability through âoeadverse selectionâ (insurers avoiding bad risks and healthy people declining coverage). At that time, President Clinton was proposing a universal health care plan, and Heritage and I devised a viable alternative.

My view was shared at the time by many conservative experts, including American Enterprise Institute (AEI) scholars

That rather plainly shows that indeed people in the Heritage Foundation wanted a mandate. Reading on...

the version of the health insurance mandate Heritage and I supported in the 1990s had three critical features. First, it was not primarily intended to push people to obtain protection for their own good, but to protect others. Like auto damage liability insurance required in most states, our requirement focused on âoecatastrophicâ costs â" so hospitals and taxpayers would not have to foot the bill for the expensive illness or accident of someone who did not buy insurance.

Isn't that the same kind of "herd mentality" that they are demonizing the democrats over right now?

Second, we sought to induce people to buy coverage primarily through the carrot of a generous health credit or voucher, financed in part by a fundamental reform of the tax treatment of health coverage, rather than by a stick.

And the supreme court ruled that the mandate in the 2010 bill is, indeed, a tax. The stick analogy does not hold here.

And third, in the legislation we helped craft that ultimately became a preferred alternative to ClintonCare, the âoemandateâ was actually the loss of certain tax breaks for those not choosing to buy coverage, not a legal requirement.

... same as above.

So in other words, the Heritage Foundation acknowledges that the mandate in the Health Insurance Industry Bailout Act of 2010 is a facsimile of what they wanted. They can pretend that they somehow did not have a role in the crafting of this lousy bill, but they cannot show that they have not advocated for what it does.

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You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 5 months ago | (#46982021)

...with corrupt motivation at the basis of institutions, both public and private.

Why marvel at any manifestation of this corruption as though it were some deviation from standard?

Fish do not see water, men do not see thoughts. So too, is the corruption pervasive and invisible. Capitalism as finance is fundamental corruption. It cannot be reconciled with either Democracy or true religious belief.

History has seen this problem, and the inevitable solution in the past... It will see it again.

So? Welcome only the collapse.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#46982943)

Why marvel at any manifestation of this corruption as though it were some deviation from standard?

Actually, I have been arguing for some time now that our country - in spite of what some may claim - has been on a continuous march towards ever increasingly conservative stands on pretty much everything. Hence while it does disappoint me greatly that we ended up with this conservative dogpile of legislation called the Health Insurance Industry Bailout Act of 2010 (or "Obamacare" if you want to attach the name of a conservative president to it) it does not surprise me. Everything Obama did leading up to this was in the same conservative trajectory, and it was foolish of anyone to expect him to do anything less conservative than sign a bill that was passed down directly from the Heritage Foundation.

However the ones who were really fooled are the conservatives "in the trenches". There is no shortage of people of that ilk who want to repeal this - and replace it with exactly the same thing but with someone else's name on it. Why it matters whether it is called "Obamacare", "Romneycare", "Bushcare", "Walkercare", "Ryancare", "Paulcare", "Perrycare", or "Nocare", I'm not sure. Apparently plenty of people have convinced themselves that the name is the most important part of the bill, though.

So? Welcome only the collapse.

I am getting to the point where seeing the nation dissolve seems like a good thing.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 5 months ago | (#46985527)

I am getting to the point where seeing the nation dissolve seems like a good thing.

The Progressive pool of debt seems our likely solvent.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#46985665)

The Progressive pool of debt seems our likely solvent.

Considering the fact that the most conservative presidents end up contributing the most debt to the nations balance sheet, you are describing a comparatively small pool there.

Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 5 months ago | (#46985843)

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#46985929)

I told you before I'm not interested in watching your political videos. Provide a transcript.

On a different note, it must really suck to be in the majority in slashdot and be allowed to post as often as you like. I have to keep waiting to post this reply - I'm only allowed to post once every 5 minutes - as I just replied to your other message.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 5 months ago | (#46987037)

Have no idea what anyone could possibly find even slightly political about the linked video. Then again, you call Obama 'conservative', so quite literally anything is attainable with you. Will you arrive at sanity, by random chance?

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#46988065)

Have no idea what anyone could possibly find even slightly political about the linked video

I'm not watching videos that you link to, for any reason. Every video you have linked to that I can recall to date has been a total waste of my time.

Then again, you call Obama 'conservative'

I call Obama conservative because he is demonstrably more conservative in action than any other president our country has ever had. Not at all similar to how you call him a communist as a result of your complete lack of understanding of what communism is actually about.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 5 months ago | (#46995331)

I'm not watching videos that you link to, for any reason. Every video you have linked to that I can recall to date has been a total waste of my time.

Oh, so, like the Senate Benghazi report and the NYT. We're equal.

I call Obama conservative because he is demonstrably more conservative in action than any other president our country has ever had.

Come on: he's the Lefty savior--just ask the media and academia. You're really got to curb your blasphemy.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#46995631)

I'm not watching videos that you link to, for any reason. Every video you have linked to that I can recall to date has been a total waste of my time.

Oh, so, like the Senate Benghazi report and the NYT. We're equal.

No. We are not equal in any way, shape, or form on that matter. You are intentionally choosing not to read researched material that was made publicly available after detailed topical research, and bragging about not reading it. I am pointing out that nothing of value has been posted to youtube for which no transcript of the same exists. I will not watch your political videos because they are a waste of my time. You refuse to read printed material that your political movement auto-discardds for you beforehand because you do what your party tells you to do without question and without regard for the truth behind materials that they tell you to read or not.

I call Obama conservative because he is demonstrably more conservative in action than any other president our country has ever had.

Come on: he's the Lefty savior--just ask the media and academia.

You come up with that conclusion because that is what your version of "the media" tells you to be the case. Tell me this - if he is such a media darling then why is it that he is criticized more by the "leftist" media currently than and Bush ever was by the conservative media?

You're really got to curb your blasphemy.

So facts are blasphemous in your view? I guess that explains a lot...

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 5 months ago | (#46997415)

No. We are not equal in any way, shape, or form on that matter.

Have I mentioned that you're the best recently. I'm getting rather tired of your hooey, and I'm pondering just gearing down and telling you how cool you are for a while.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#46997611)

I just want you to read the text that you link to. I cannot force you to read. However, you make yourself look rather silly when you link to text that does not support the message that you claim it does. If I linked to the bible and claimed it supported sacrificing goats to Satan I would expect you to call me out on it. You are linking to modern texts and making claims that are not in line with what they explicitly say, I have pointed that out.

Why you brag so openly about not reading is unclear. I've never known anyone else who was proud of functional illiteracy.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 5 months ago | (#47005237)

Who can touch your infinite coolness?

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#47006033)

Could you wander further off topic? How is the weather where you live?

We understand how much pride you have in not reading. You don't have to brag about it in every post you write.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 5 months ago | (#47007299)

To wander about town, knowing that people see me and are awash in envy!

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#47007601)

Did you just reach for a random deadly sin and decide to try to find a way to end your comment in it? You certainly didn't seem to feel a need to connect your comment to the discussion.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 4 months ago | (#47010521)

You don't believe there's such a thing as sin. Therefore, your comment does not connect to the discussion. Therefore, you are guilty of what you accuse snitty of doing.

Therefore, you're a HYPOCRITE. And as we all know, that's the worst thing a liberal can be.

Please report to your nearest FEMA re-education camp, you hateful bigot.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 4 months ago | (#47011269)

That is even a pitiful example of half-assed trolling coming from you. Whoever gave you the red4man password would be regretting that decision if they were still reading this site.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 4 months ago | (#47011793)

That is even a pitiful example of half-assed trolling coming from you.

FREEZE, DUMBASS! This is the grammar police! You are under arrest for bludgeoning the English language.

The word "even" does not make sense in the context of that sentence. You should have written:

That post is a pitiful example of half-assed trolling coming from you.

Of course, that statement would make you a horrible liar (kiss me, pudge!), so I'm sure that what you meant to type was actually:

That post was an amazing example of trolling. Truly, men consider you a legend and women grow weak in the knees at the sight of your dashing visage. If only I, or any of my numerous sock puppet accounts, were as amazing as the one and only Red, I might not be a penis virgin anymore since I have been the bottom for numerous anonymous men.

To which I would respond, "Gee, thanks d_r. Snitty is right, you ARE the coolest of them all.*"

* by all I mean all your sockpuppet accounts.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 4 months ago | (#47012341)

Better effort? Yes.

Still a failure? Also yes.

Re:Sweet upside down world you live in (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 4 months ago | (#47013069)

You're the coolest of them all.* ** *** ****

* and by all I still mean all your sockpuppet accounts.
** but not really cool
*** I mean, you're still a dickhole
**** But you knew that and delight in that fact.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 5 months ago | (#46986603)

Your "debt" is a lie

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 5 months ago | (#46987045)

Are you saying the debt is cake?

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 5 months ago | (#46993353)

You know... I created the account Mustakrakich to troll RG with years ago, so Mr. Fusta is nothing more than a ball licking Red wannabe.

Of course, almost all slashdotters are ball licking Red Wannabe's, so I guess Fusta is not so unique in that regard.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 5 months ago | (#46994457)

Interesting analysis.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 5 months ago | (#46996953)

And you are...what exactly? Ah yes, I remember, an RWS wannabe...

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 5 months ago | (#46998489)

RWS isn't half the troll I am.

That goofy overbite having bastard isn't half the man I am either.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 5 months ago | (#47000541)

HAHAHAHA! Take off the beer glasses, buddy.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 5 months ago | (#46993405)

Fish do not see water

Of course they see water. Have you ever caught a fish? Ever dropped it when taking it off the hook? Fish will flop for all their worth trying to get back into the water, which they can see.

I hate it when people write in plateaus like this. It's just a lame trick to make the writer sound clever to disguise the fact that the writer doesn't know what they're talking about.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 5 months ago | (#46994343)

"Platitudes".

Now, back to sleep with you...

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 5 months ago | (#46998541)

Now, back to sleep with you...
You gotta buy me dinner first. Just what kind of guy do you think I am? *slap*

It's been 3 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment

Oh, OK. I'll elaborate.

While I'm not a cheap date, damn_registrars, on the other hand, is a total whore. He'll sleep with you for nothing. In fact, his OCD will prevent him from doing anything else but be your bottom.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#46998659)

Oh, I'm so flattered. You came to my journal, and instead of talking about the topic you chose to talk about me.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 5 months ago | (#46998737)

talking about the topic you chose to talk about me.
Of course -- It's your favorite subject outside of what smitty, pudge, RG, are doing. I dare say you like talking about yourself even more than you do creating sock puppet accounts.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#46998815)

Wow, pretty much none of that reflects reality in any way, shape or form. Well done. Even more so none of that connects to the topic of this JE at all. You did waste a little bit of my time, though, so I guess you accomplished that - but that is bush league trolling there.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 5 months ago | (#46998941)

When did you get promoted to Slashdot's official trolling Judge?

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#46999211)

Who says it needs to be official? Someone trolls me, I tell them if they do a good job. Go back to trolling others and I'll stop telling you what a poor job you are doing of trolling me.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 5 months ago | (#46999307)

What is your criteria for rating trolls?

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#47000879)

If the only thing you do successfully is waste my time, you are not a particularly good troll.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 5 months ago | (#47002133)

How would you suggest I improve?

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 5 months ago | (#47002293)

Ask one of the guys who used to be behind the red4man account, they were much better at it than you. I'm not inclined to help you do your "job".

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 5 months ago | (#47003251)

It's always only been me. The "Fab Four" stuff was a ruse. Multiple people using this account has also only been a ruse.

The above two comments may also be a ruse. You'll never know...

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 5 months ago | (#47001419)

Welcome back, Kotter!

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Red4man (1347635) | about 5 months ago | (#47003389)

Thank you, Arnold Horshack.

Re:You live in a thouroghly corrupted society, (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 5 months ago | (#47004097)

Thank you, Arnold Horshack.

And now, Vinny Barbarino references as the cattle are dying... [youtube.com]

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