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I've been banned... [UPDATED!]

FortKnox (169099) writes | about 10 years ago

User Journal 26

Yes, a subnet ban. Due to excessive bad posting. I haven't posted anon in probably... oh... months. Its been 5 days since I've had a downmod (a single negative mod... from score:2 to score:1), and the post before that? Score: 5 (it was posted two minutes before teh down modded one).

I feel so ashamed. I would try to email the place they say to email, but after reading several other people's complaints about this subnet ban, I hear they pretty much tell you to 'stuff it.'Yes, a subnet ban. Due to excessive bad posting. I haven't posted anon in probably... oh... months. Its been 5 days since I've had a downmod (a single negative mod... from score:2 to score:1), and the post before that? Score: 5 (it was posted two minutes before teh down modded one).

I feel so ashamed. I would try to email the place they say to email, but after reading several other people's complaints about this subnet ban, I hear they pretty much tell you to 'stuff it.'

I guess you'll hear from me in JE's only from now to a couple days. Guess we'll have to wait a few days for the voice contest (unless someone wants to mod up some of my previous posts to try and lift the ban? Will that even work?).

Update: I went ahead and emailed the address (figured, what the hell... might as well try). Here's the error message if you are interested in it:
Due to excessive bad posting from this IP or Subnet, comment posting has temporarily been disabled. If it's you, consider this a chance to sit in the timeout corner . If it's someone else, this is a chance to hunt them down. If you think this is unfair, please email moderation@slashdot.org with your MD5'd IPID and SubnetID, which are "blah" and "meh" and (optionally, but preferably) your IP number "12.0.0.1" and your username "FortKnox".

Update2: I wonder... was it because I commented in trollback? I don't think so, because trollback is one of my 'zoo' friends, and has been for a while. Wasn't downmodded or anything, either.

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26 comments

yeah (1)

blinder (153117) | about 10 years ago | (#9673867)

but the moderation system *isn't* broken right?

I finally got a reply. (1)

arb (452787) | about 10 years ago | (#9673869)

I had to email CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot) before I got a response, and the first one was a flippant brush off. After I pointed out that I have been waiting 10 days for a reply (and sent three emails) he was a bit more polite, but the reply boiled down to: "Of course, post bans time out on their own, so there's nothing I can do to help."

I think Organised Konfusion posted proxy details somewhere if you want to try that. I can at least post from home, or if I am at work I can remote into a machine on another subnet and post.

From the looks of it, all it takes nowdays is a single post being modded down. I had one at -1 and one at +5 on the same day, so it's not an aggregate. Been 10 days and counting on the ban though - I guess it is 2 weeks...

I s'pose what they want is for people to only post along party lines. Don't go against the slashbot groupthink.

'Nother reply from Malda... (1)

arb (452787) | about 10 years ago | (#9673904)

The timeouts vary tremendously based on the details, and I don't answer with specific time frames for people who got banned. You're in the time-out corner. Be patient.

So I guess it is a case of wait and see if/when you are ever allowed to post again.

Welcome to the club! (1)

grub (11606) | about 10 years ago | (#9673963)


Welcome to the "Slashdot Spits in the Faces of Good Users Club"

You're in fine company with myself and [slashdot.org] the_mad_poster [slashdot.org] as cellmates.

My recommendations

If you're a subscriber: do not renew

Once your subscription lapses, use an ad blocker so they don't get cash that way either.

Find another way to post and include a link to your relevent journal entry in your sig.

Don't quit bitching about it. Their attitude "it's our site" fails to carry weight if they take donations/subscriptions.

Pass these tips on to your friends and modify as needed.

Re:Welcome to the club! (1)

hotspotbloc (767418) | about 10 years ago | (#9674686)

Once your subscription lapses, use an ad blocker so they don't get cash that way either.

Adblock [mozdev.org] for Mozilla and Firebird works so well it's not funny. It blocks images, frames and flash ads (aka: Internet pollution).

We really need a place similar to slashdot but more mature to go. At one time k5 was pretty good but it seems to have fallen into a bit of a mire. Hopefully the Technocrat [technocrat.net] will take off. I'm ready to put /. back into my hosts as lo.

Re:Welcome to the club! (1)

lab16 (416283) | about 10 years ago | (#9676918)

"Adblock for Mozilla and Firebird works so well it's not funny"

Unless your using 1.8a
Last time I used adblock with 1.8, it broke mozilla and I had to uninstall it.
I can't seem to find anything about it on their site, so I guess that it might just not work for me only.

Re:Welcome to the club! (1)

hotspotbloc (767418) | about 10 years ago | (#9678069)

I'm still using 1.6 so that's why I hadn't noticed.

Seems to be an epidemic (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about 10 years ago | (#9674007)

A lot of people are getting banned. I just am probably very lucky that there aren't many slashdotters on my subnet that do "bad posting". I think that the following happens: some people on your subnet start trolling, then the subnet is banned, then the regular users (like you, arb and Organized Konfusion) suddenly can't post anymore.

Kind of like punishing the whole class because there is one moron disruption you lesson.

Look, if you want I can try: I'll just log in as Corporate Troll, make a nice message that will be modded down and then see if I can still post from this machine. I use so many different IP's that one banned subnet won't shut me up ;-)

Re:Seems to be an epidemic (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about 10 years ago | (#9674311)

One of the recent code rollouts must have changed the banning script.

Re:Seems to be an epidemic (1)

SamTheButcher (574069) | about 10 years ago | (#9675772)

One of the recent code rollouts must have changed the banning script.

Makes sense. It's weird that so many people are being banned so quickly.

Heh. (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | about 10 years ago | (#9674101)

I'd like to take this opportunity to go ahead and state that FK is not actually banned, he's just ashamed.

He's coming out of the closet. FK, being gay is OK, bud. There's no need to hide behind a "blanket ban" like you are.

If you wish to refute my post, please login and reply :)

Oh, that was offsides wasn't it?

I don't know what tha dot is doing man. I'm not a coder, but it can't be too hard to code a ban based on mac address instead of IP. Hell, look at the packets, information that gets sent every single time and is hard to change is mac.

Oh well.

Sorry dude, that sucks.

Re:Heh. (1)

grub (11606) | about 10 years ago | (#9674439)


To ban based on MAC they'd have to be on the same subnet (maybe proxy ARPing could do this, not sure) IE: "ping 1.2.3.4" "arp -a | grep 1.2.3.4" If you're on the same logical segment you'll get a MAC, if not you won't.

Re:Heh. (1)

dead sun (104217) | about 10 years ago | (#9682423)

Even if they could get at the MAC info it's far easier to change MAC than IP. All you need is a little tool to do so. Many network cards provide this tool for you and few network cards refuse. To change IP requires a redial or DHCP renewal, something my cable provider is not willing to give me frequently.

Subnet banning, though, is just annoying. There either has to be a better way to deal with idiots or admit the moderation system is somehow broken.

Better Subnet Banning (1)

Oculus Habent (562837) | about 10 years ago | (#9684692)

Here's my theory:

You ban Anonymous posting from a subnet and the offending account(s) if any. That way most users don't suffer for someone else's problem.

Yes, they can make a new account, but you can watch for down-mods in the "banned" subnet and be a little more vicious with the account banning in that subnet.

Maybe politics shouldn't come into play, but I think there should be a little more leeway for subscribers, especially in the case of subnet banning when you aren't being [very] bad.

NON STANDARD PORT PROXIES (2, Informative)

Organized Konfusion (700770) | about 10 years ago | (#9674890)

69.47.156.116:65506
69.47.156.116:63809
69.30.13 3.25:8008
63.135.6.27:3382
205.208.226.59:8888
69.14.187.81:65506
200.168.96.234:6588
200.179.2 30.132:6588
200.101.120.178:6588
24.45.25.174:81
69.137.60.252:3382
216.145.90.218:8002
200.179 .225.50:6588
208.18.143.136:8002
216.203.181.34: 6588
217.37.119.42:8002
12.27.244.218:11285
216 .244.144.248:6588
63.160.254.40:8002
200.165.143 .240:6588
200.161.12.119:6588
212.129.232.100:65 88
12.104.44.40:8313
200.93.109.218:6588
200.20 7.43.226:6588
193.255.207.252:8080S
211.75.180.2 20:8000
213.131.168.204:443
24.14.251.101:443
2 08.41.22.226:8002
67.149.19.217:65506
209.251.3. 194:8081
200.21.248.131:443
200.89.233.95:6588
201.129.161.121:6588
200.42.173.218:4480

Re:NON STANDARD PORT PROXIES (1)

the_mad_poster (640772) | about 10 years ago | (#9680752)

Are all of these known good? Slashdot knows a lot of the public proxies on my list now so I have to constantly cycle through them. I don't know if they're just identifying them dynamically or if they keep a running list of them though.

Re:NON STANDARD PORT PROXIES (1)

Organized Konfusion (700770) | about 10 years ago | (#9683544)

slashcode has a proxy checker which probes non-logged in users and users with low karma to check if they are behind an open proxy.

These are good as of 2 days ago but its really hit and miss

Complain anyway (1)

Sloppy (14984) | about 10 years ago | (#9674931)

I would try to email the place they say to email, but after reading several other people's complaints about this subnet ban, I hear they pretty much tell you to 'stuff it.'
You should complain anyway. If people give up on bitching, then the /. people might not realize there's a widespread problem. If you complain, then at least there's a chance they might realize how much they're hurting themselves.

OTOH... 5000+ comments? Sheesh, get a life!

Re:Complain anyway (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about 10 years ago | (#9677357)

5000+ ? Amateurish. [slashdot.org] Although I must admit, I've slowed down quite a bit recently.

Web Proxy (1)

Judg3 (88435) | about 10 years ago | (#9675134)

I'm running the CGI Web proxy over at Pavleck.Com [pavleck.com] - top right link I believe. It'll let you surf as if your on my server - I use it a lot at work hehe

one good thing though (1)

nocomment (239368) | about 10 years ago | (#9675738)

Since you were banned and posted about it, I got to see trollback. What a journal! Thanks for the link. I did try the experiement he posted about and sure enough I ended up with a lof of republican "not flame" postings. The only thing I can suggest is to meta-moderate often. The /. rules are to concentrate on modding up unless something is blatent (like goatse.cx or something). So I will scroll down and only pay attention to things people modded as troll, or flamebait yadda yadda, review those posts and most often I will meta-mod as unfair. Ignore the rest because who are we to judge if someone else found a post inisghtful and thought someone else would want to read it? They were probably right. Perhaps some articulate soul can write up a JE on how to meta moderate? I've thought about it, but can't come up with a good format for writing it.

Re:one good thing though (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about 10 years ago | (#9677764)

Meta-modding is a fucking joke. Disposable accounts mean when you lose the right to moderate, you just move on to the next throwaway account.

The entire game is broken, and I wish I could just totally get rid of all mods except FoF. Unfortunately, the bonuses you could apply only applied to a single moderation. For example, if you pick a Troll modifier of +3, and a comment gets modded Troll 5 times, the score is -2, not +15. Or something like that.

this is crap (1)

subgeek (263292) | about 10 years ago | (#9679447)

i hope it's not a nail in the coffin. i've enjoyed this community.

Testing... (1)

FortKnox (169099) | about 10 years ago | (#9680182)

testing from home.... here's hopin.

Grumble (1)

ces (119879) | about 10 years ago | (#9682003)

It really depends on how you got on the ban list. I have no idea what might trigger an auto-ban but there is a possiblity it wasn't anything you actually did.

For example if it was your work IP that was banned very likely everyone at the same site shows up to slashdot as the same IP. So if someone else at work was being an idiot then you might very well have been caught in the same net. Another possiblity is that the subnet mask slashdot banned is larger than the actual allocation to your employer and someone who's IP is in the same block is the one who triggered the ban.

Similarly most broadband users get DHCP addresses that rotate periodicly. If someone "taints" an address and that address later gets assigned to you, you may end up on the banned list. Also Slashdot again may be banning rather large blocks of addresses rather than a specific IP which means you got caught in an over-wide net.

I did get banned once and as far as I know not for anything I did. I had hardly posted in the last few weeks nor had anything I'd posted recently been downmodded. I will say they were fairly prompt about unblocking me once I sent email.

I do hope that it isn't a problem of auto-banning anyone who gets downmodded now, there are any number of reasons that might happen that don't have anything to do with being an abusive poster.

Re:Grumble (1)

arb (452787) | about 10 years ago | (#9682385)

I do hope that it isn't a problem of auto-banning anyone who gets downmodded now, there are any number of reasons that might happen that don't have anything to do with being an abusive poster.

According to 'samzenpus@slashdot' (moderation@slashdot guy) "You have been modded down too many times and are now in the "time out" corner for a bit." so it looks as if the auto-banning criteria has been tightened to buggery. They don't seem to look at the net result of the moderations, just the number of down-mods.

Oh - and it doesn't seem to matter if the down-mods get meta-modded fair or unfair, the ban sticks. That means you could have a bunch of moderators mod you up/down/up/down enough times and even though the net result will be zero or even positive, you will still be banned. Now that's a clever way to run a forum where you want to encourage people to participate, isn't it? All it takes now is a couple of bad moderators to get yourself banned.

I am not really big on the idea of people wandering off and setting up their own blogs, because there is the whole "community" thang happening here that I don't think you'll get with seperate blogs, but I am now leaning towards the idea of trying to get the whole journal circle (or as much of it as possible) to move to a new home. Orkut doesn't work - it has fizzled out since the inital burst of activity. We need to find a new home that has the same allure as slashdot...
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