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Unread.org

FortKnox (169099) writes | more than 9 years ago

User Journal 54

Just thought I'd pass along the name to those of you interested:

unread.org

Ethred is the one who came up with it (mostly as a joke), and I just thought it was a great name. Its fitting unless the site becomes popular, then its ironic :-)Just thought I'd pass along the name to those of you interested:

unread.org

Ethred is the one who came up with it (mostly as a joke), and I just thought it was a great name. Its fitting unless the site becomes popular, then its ironic :-)

Of course, I just bought the domain, and set it up to forward to marotti.com until I get hosting and such (which I won't consider until the first release candidate, unless someone can get me free java/tomcat/apache/postgres hosting until I can setup a working site with a donation link), so don't worry about hitting the site. Most likely you will hit a 404, otherwise, my pointless marotti.com front page.

Requirements are on their way.... I've been sorting them out and organizing them. Taking longer than expected. If I don't get them out tonight, I will put my notebook (with all the requirements) into my laptop bag to take to work with me.

Also, I'm looking into a (free) site with CVS + Bugtrack to check in the requirements and have a version history of the requirements and usecases. I know someone (george?) suggested another site besides sourceforge... All I need is cvs + bugtrack... what other sites are there besides sourceforge?

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Not bad. (1)

bethanie (675210) | more than 9 years ago | (#9955378)

And I know it's not your strong suit, but considering he's the one who came up with the name, you might want to spell his [first] name correctly! :-)

....Bethanie....

Marvelous (1)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 9 years ago | (#9955397)

As if Ethelred's ego can GET any bigger.

Re:Marvelous (1)

bethanie (675210) | more than 9 years ago | (#9955897)

His ego is the biggest thing about Ethelred, ya know.

And speaking of egos!! Dude. How does it feel to have at least TWO sigs floating around that quote you?

DAMN. You are *special* (like short bus special, sure, but still, that's somethin').

;-)

....Bethanie....

Re:Marvelous (1)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 9 years ago | (#9955980)

That is pretty weird. I feel like about the least quotable guy in the world. ;)

Re:Marvelous (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 9 years ago | (#9956934)

Is that so?

Re:Marvelous (1)

TechnoLust (528463) | more than 9 years ago | (#9957181)

Damn! You beat me to it!

Re:Marvelous (1)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 9 years ago | (#9957396)

Jeesh, you guys! :)

Re:Marvelous (1)

Pirogoeth (662083) | more than 9 years ago | (#9957586)

What's the problem? You're just very quotable.

Re:Marvelous (1)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 9 years ago | (#9963512)

Shyah. You guys are just playing me now. :)

Well, it's fun while it lasts!!!!

Re:Marvelous (1)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 9 years ago | (#9957417)

Hey, your sig is paradoxically recursive, isn't it? :)

Or something.

Re:Marvelous (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 9 years ago | (#9957905)

speaking of sigs, your's has been bothering me for a while. What is that from? I know I've seen/heard it before. It was from a story of a guy telling about the saddest thing he's ever known. A comedy skit if I remember correctly.

-Ab

Re:Marvelous (1)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 9 years ago | (#9963479)

Ok, are you playing me ala Bethanie [slashdot.org] ? If you are: Bite me bitch! :)

If you aren't, it's Strongbad [homestarrunner.com] and SHAME ON YO ASS for not having it memorized.

Either way, you pretty much can't win. :)

Re:Marvelous (1)

Abm0raz (668337) | more than 9 years ago | (#9966043)

Actually, I went to read this weeks' SB-Email and then checked the past one and realized my folly right before I checked /.(.) I apologize. Just remember, when questing as a peasant, throw the baby everywhere, for thine is the blackest of hearts.

-Ab

Re:Marvelous (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 9 years ago | (#9957896)

His ego is the biggest thing about Ethelred, ya know.

You ain't seen me nekkid yet, though.

But Smoochy-Bear knew about that already, kiss-kiss.

And speaking of egos!! Dude. How does it feel to have at least TWO sigs floating around that quote you?

Only two? Surely we can manage more than that!

Cheers,

Ethelred

Re:Marvelous (1)

bethanie (675210) | more than 9 years ago | (#9958051)

You're welcome for leaving you the penis inference window, Eth. I had a comment in there precluding it, but I decided to delete it and leave that opening for you. 'Cause I KNEW you couldn't help yourself (not many men can around my openings...).

....Bethanie....

Re:Marvelous (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 9 years ago | (#9958595)

Yep, you serve it up, I drill it home. ;-)

Cheers,

Ethelred

Re:Marvelous (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 9 years ago | (#9958694)

Whatever illusions of innocence I thought I still had have been ripped from me by this thread.

Oh and wtf is up with galaxisonline anyway?

Pretty cool! (1)

Rudy Rodarte (597418) | more than 9 years ago | (#9955441)

I'd be willing to test the site and just let us know when it's time to pass the hat around. I'll be sure to give a few $$.

sweetness. (1)

mekkab (133181) | more than 9 years ago | (#9955449)

I felt like a kid waiting for x-mas. Expect unsane.com and unstupid.com to follow.

Re:sweetness. (1)

andfarm (534655) | more than 9 years ago | (#9959010)

Well, there's already a unsanity.com [unsanity.org] out there... (a Mac software developer)

GNU/Zealot (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 9 years ago | (#9955608)

http://savannah.gnu.org/ [gnu.org]

Not sure, but they might even have subversion.

Subversion iz da bomb! (1)

Safety Cap (253500) | more than 9 years ago | (#9955653)

Once you svn, you'll say CVS is teh suck!

Re:GNU/Zealot (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 9 years ago | (#9958434)

My project isn't really gnu (is it?). What's the advantage of going savannah instead of SF?

Re:GNU/Zealot (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 9 years ago | (#9964904)

If OSDN goes tits up, so does your CVS. I don't forsee GNU going anywhere any time soon.

You don't need a GNU project to be on Savannah. Only about 25-30% of the projects hosted there are GNU projects.

While there is a bit of irony in replacing a /. replacement using tools of the parent company, it's also a bit crass.

Re:GNU/Zealot (1)

ces (119879) | more than 9 years ago | (#9976106)

If OSDN goes tits up, so does your CVS. I don't forsee GNU going anywhere any time soon.

I think there are other sites offering SF (or similar systems) hosting for OSS projects.

While there is a bit of irony in replacing a /. replacement using tools of the parent company, it's also a bit crass.

I'm not sure the OSDN people care. There seem to be a lot of content management/blog systems hosted at SF.

For that matter Scoop (used by Kuro5hin and dailyKOS) is also using SourceForge. I'm not sure if they are just using the SF code or if they actually host anything at the SF site.

Self-hosting the dev site using whatever management tools seem most appropriate is always a possiblity. Between the lot of us I'm sure we could come up with something that would be reasonably stable.

As for the actual tools there are a number of systems for collabrative development out there. In addition to SF and Savannah I believe the Perl, Apache, and Debian communities have come up with their own systems. In addition I know there are a slew of dev tools from various Java folks some of which sound similar to SF.

I Love It (1)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 9 years ago | (#9956271)

Unread.org That's perfect. I can't believe it wasn't taken?

BTW - over the last few days I have been learning more than I ever wanted to about ASP.NET, as unfortunately FencingMedia.org is hosted on a .NET server...looking forward to finally doing some java developement...let's get crackin'

Also: I was thinking about a feature for the site. It could have a dynamic game server directory, through which users could find online game servers to join with other users. Sort of like "GameTiger," but focused on servers owned/operated by users.

I thought of this because you mentioned having a fantasy football application on the site...so it seems like a natural companion.

Also, we've got to handle ECODE a lot better than slashdot does. Maybe a code sample repository - a "scratch pad" or something.

Re:I Love It (1)

M.C. Hampster (541262) | more than 9 years ago | (#9960336)


Also: I was thinking about a feature for the site. It could have a dynamic game server directory, through which users could find online game servers to join with other users. Sort of like "GameTiger," but focused on servers owned/operated by users.

This would be mega-awesome (unlike the word I just used). I've always wanted to be able to easily hook up a game online with my Slashdot buddies, but it's a real pain to do that through JE's :-)

I'm a bit disappointed at the choice of language selection since I don't really have any desire to learn real Java web application development, so I won't be able to contribute :-( Oh well, my mad coding skillz will have to be used elsewhere.

Re:I Love It (1)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 9 years ago | (#9961416)

I was thinking about that - java can interoperate with other languages, can't it? For example, if we want to do form validation / cleaning, we could use perl and JNI

Also, I don't see why the site couldn't have remote native clients ala Livejournal (which has a XML-RPC based API)

Re:I Love It (1)

M.C. Hampster (541262) | more than 9 years ago | (#9961546)

I was thinking about that - java can interoperate with other languages, can't it? For example, if we want to do form validation / cleaning, we could use perl and JNI

I'm sure there is some way to do that in J2EE (I'm quite clueless when it comes to that platform), but I'm not sure what use that would be. Your example of form validation and cleaning seems like it would be just as doable in Java as in most other languages. But think if we did the whole thing in .NET, we could code half in C# and half in VB.NET! Oh wait, maybe that wouldn't be a good thing.

Also, I don't see why the site couldn't have remote native clients ala Livejournal (which has a XML-RPC based API)

There has already been plenty of talk of allowing most of the content to be available through RSS, but it would still be cool to have web services for posting, editing, etc. so that remote clients could be created. I'm not familiar with the LiveJournal API, but I'd hope we'd use SOAP rather than XML-RPC for maximum cross-platform capability (read: .NET).

Of course, there is an issue with making so much of the content and functionality available through other means, and that is one of advertising. While the dreaded A-word hasn't really been brought up yet, there could be an issue of revenue stream if the site were to be popular enough. Someone has to pay the bills, right? I wouldn't mind a small, annual fee to avoid both advertising and to make the site available through means other than a web browser.

.NET (1)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 9 years ago | (#9961701)

So you're the resident .NET expert, huh? I have made a few cautious steps in that direction recently (downloading C# VB and WD Express kits, coding a aspx page on http://fencingmedia.org/ [fencingmedia.org] )

Could you briefly explain how "code behind" works, why I might want to use it, and what's the deal with all those
<asp:
blah
>
tags?

Re:.NET (1)

M.C. Hampster (541262) | more than 9 years ago | (#9962143)


Before I start answering questions about the .NET platform, I should give the disclaimer: IANAAD (I am not an ASP.NET Developer). Most of my expertise in .NET is in working with lower level infrastructure and various other namespaces within the framework. I don't have much experience with .ASPX

Also, let me recommend GotDotNet [gotdotnet.com] and ASP.NET [asp.net] as fairly good sources for information about coding in .NET. The GotDotNet.com website really sucks and is slow, but still has good information. Let me specifically point you to the ASP.NET Quickstart Tutorials [asp.net] for more info on ASP.NET.

There are really two models when it comes to coding in ASP.NET. The first is the inline-type model that puts all the code for a page right in the aspx file, and the other seperates out the code into a seperate class library (DLL). I would highly recommend sticking with code-behind for ASP.NET. Using the old model results in the same spaghetti like crap code that comes out of classic ASP and PHP (there's my flamebait for the day). Using code-behind, you get a nice clear seperation of your presentation (HTML) from the logic that goes behind it. It wouldn't really be useful for me to go into a detailed description in to how code behind works, when there are plenty of tutorials that demonstrate it at the two web sites I provided.

As for the <asp: tags, those are used when declaring server side controls in an aspx file. Server side controls form the basis for ASP.NET. It allows you to respond to events that occur on the web page (like a button being clicked), in code that runs on the server.

Re:.NET (1)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 9 years ago | (#9965076)

I would highly recommend sticking with code-behind for ASP.NET. Using the old model results in the same spaghetti like crap code that comes out of classic ASP and PHP (there's my flamebait for the day).

Man, are we on the same page there. After I finish with fencingmedia.org I am never coding another line of class ASP or any other web scripting language ever again (my rant aganst PHP [slashdot.org] from a few weeks ago, in case you missed it).

The site code is a complete mess of spaghetti, only because I had only a few days to code it and I knew that no one else would be looking at the code (hopefully). Interchanging tags for nested tables and >% tags...ugh, you get the idea.

Eventually, I decided to set response.buffer=true and put all the script logic in a variable called content ...my hope is that I can migrate to .NET later by making this a "panel" and moving the VB script to code-behind or whatever.

In the meantime, content is built with long-ass string-concentation, which may or may not slow down the script (I can't remember).

Unfortunately, we are way past the deadline (i.e. the Olympics start tomorrow), so I don't have the luxury to use Best Practices (as they say: "fast, good, cheap - pick two). So spaghetti it is :\

Re:I Love It (1)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 9 years ago | (#9964990)

I'd hope we'd use SOAP rather than XML-RPC for maximum cross-platform capability (read: .NET).

According to the XML-RPC proponents [sourceforge.net] SOAP has a lot of features that simple client-server software doesn't need (and, as I understand it, it's meant for machine-to-machine communication rather than human-with-pc-to-machine communications).

XML-RPC would probably need the cross-platform functionality we need plus it would be easier to implement (from what I understand, anyway).

Re:I Love It (1)

M.C. Hampster (541262) | more than 9 years ago | (#9970286)


XML-RPC would probably need the cross-platform functionality we need plus it would be easier to implement (from what I understand, anyway)

I'm no expert but I don't think there is native support for consuming XML-RPC type services in .NET. Microsoft pretty much only backs SOAP.

Choice of languages (1)

Tet (2721) | more than 9 years ago | (#9956389)

unless someone can get me free java/tomcat/apache/postgres hosting

I should have known you'd go for a java/tomcat solution. I know you're a bit of a Java zealot, but I'd seriously advise against it. It's been the cause of no end of problems here (with both the JVM and tomcat mysteriously dying on our production servers for no apparent reason). Combined with the performance and security problems, that makes it a poor choice for writing a web application IMHO.

ObFlamebait: Great hackers [paulgraham.com] :-)

Re:Choice of languages (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 9 years ago | (#9958387)

.... I honestly dunno how to reply to this. Its almost kinda trollish.

Tomcat, on its own, is a security nightmare, which is why you pass through apache to get to tomcat, giving you apache's security.

Tomcat is just a simple solution, I could switch over to JBoss without a problem if the server needs a boost.

And I've written full web applications for insurance companies and financial institutions. Its what I do for a living. Java is a premier language for web applications (especially large, enterprise scaled applications).

And lastly, its my project and I am coding it with what I know, and I know java better than any language.

Re:Choice of languages (1)

Tet (2721) | more than 9 years ago | (#10004699)

I honestly dunno how to reply to this. Its almost kinda trollish.

It wasn't intended to be. But I have significant real world experience with Java servlets, and based on that, I would seriously advise anyone contemplating them to think again.

Java is a premier language for web applications (especially large, enterprise scaled applications).

See that's precisely where I wouldn't use it. I'm sure it's fine for noddy little applications, but when you need to scale things up, you start to see the problems. Particularly in terms of performance.

I do happily accept that it's your site, and if Java is the language with which you're most comfortable, then it makes sense for you to use it. I'm just throwing in a warning to be cautious.

Incidentally, even with Apache, Tomcat is still a security nightmare. I don't want a compiler on any of my production boxen for a start...

Re:Choice of languages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10005175)

People who only know Java will stick to Java. It's purely because they don't know any better. I personally don't understand why everybody doesn't use XSL publishing with distributed services.

Security is as tight as your network is, and it's extremely difficult to root. In addition to that, you have the capabilities to cache at any stage in the pipeline. You have full MVC.

In reality, I know why people don't do that; they're dumb. At least you know to look at other places. Cheers.

Re:Choice of languages (1)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 9 years ago | (#9963531)

Bah. I dig Tomcat myself. Although I haven't used it on an extranet, I use it internally and it's solid as a rock and fast as hell.

Java rocks, let others write C CGI.... :)

No, you need to do something like (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 9 years ago | (#9956457)

tired.com [tired.com] . A simple riff on "unread" would be perfect.

Google search... (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 9 years ago | (#9956940)

I've only used SourceForge, but a google searh returned a list [150m.com] and a discussion [advogato.org] on the topic.

Cool name... (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 9 years ago | (#9956946)

Ethelraed is going to have a field day... I bet he's alread cracking open the champagne and sings loudly about his doings on the interweb-thingy. This of course does not make BoE happy, nor his neighbours ;-)

Re:Cool name... (1)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 9 years ago | (#9957465)

This of course does not make BoE happy, nor his neighbours ;-)
Nor those in the rest of Europe...I'm sure even *you* can hear his off-key caterwauling!

Re:Cool name... (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 9 years ago | (#9958624)

I'm sure even *you* can hear his off-key caterwauling!

Dear sir! That's not caterwauling! That's crooning!

Cheers,

Ethelred

Re:Cool name... (1)

btlzu2 (99039) | more than 9 years ago | (#9963510)

Sing me White Christmas for me then Bing! :)

Re:Cool name... (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 9 years ago | (#9966838)

Iiiiiiiiii'm dreaming...of a cuuuuuuuddly Smoochy-Bear
Just like the ooooooooones I used to knoooooow...
With his beeeeeer belly, and color telly
Pineapple pizza really blooooooows...

Or something like that.

Cheers,

Ethelred

Re:Cool name... (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 9 years ago | (#9957873)

Actually, I knew about it for some time (FK e-mailed me about it when I first flippantly "suggested" it).

So the partying was over a long time ago. Didn't you see it in the newspapers? ;-)

Cheers,

Ethelred

Re:Cool name... (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 9 years ago | (#9963971)

So the partying was over a long time ago. Didn't you see it in the newspapers? ;-)

WHAT? And you ddin't invite me??? That's unfair ;-)

I like. (1)

Pirogoeth (662083) | more than 9 years ago | (#9957604)

Cool name.

Don't forget the recipe server!

Aw shucks. (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 9 years ago | (#9958792)

FK e-mailed me about it back when the subject first came up, and I'm flattered that that's the name he chose. Even if it's really because the name itself is kinda cool, ignoring any connection to me. Which, if you ignore the connection to me, that just makes the name a lot cooler anyway. Or something.

You take care'a that name, FK, or I will sue for alimony. Or something.

Cheers,

Ethelred

Nice (1)

sql*kitten (1359) | more than 9 years ago | (#9962729)

Cool name :-)

Scoop? (1)

ces (119879) | more than 9 years ago | (#9977469)

To get something up quickly you might want to consider using Scoop (as used by Kuro5hin and KOS among others).

While Scoop is written in Perl, it appears to my eyes to be written in sane Perl as opposed to the hackish mess that is slashcode.

The Scoop developer community [kuro5hin.org] is much more "out in the wild" than that of Slashcode in the sense that there are core developers with no formal connection to either Kuro5hin or Kos and features are being implemented that neither of those sites need.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem like Scoop currently supports the full range of slashcode's zoo.pl functionality. Basicly the only thing that seems to be implemented is a basic journal/diary type functionality.

On the other hand I'm sure that if someone wanted to implement friends/foes and my/amigos for Scoop they could have it folded into the main Scoop codebase as long as it didn't slow things down for sites that don't desire that functionality.

In any case I'm very impressed with Scoop and its developer community. When I get around to setting up my blog/food/cooking/recipe site I'm going to give Scoop a long hard look.

Mind you I have no objections to a JSP/postgresql based slashcode/scoop like system. I actually think that could be quite cool. But in the intrests of getting a new home quickly, modifying an exsisting codebase with 90% of the needed functionality might be a better way to go.

Wow, appears I posted this in the wrong place :) (1)

llamalicious (448215) | more than 9 years ago | (#9993418)

I accidentally posted this to a frontpage article, when I meant to respond to your info on unread.org man. (FYI, if I can provide any assistance, I shall)

~snip~

Hey FK, long time no msg.

Anyhow, I'm getting ready to start work on an enterprise size portal system (non Slashdot related) and if you're considering Struts old, can you give me any insight into state-of-the-art with MVC in Java...? Anything with good scalability and flexibility without layer upon layer of framework abstraction.

I've just started getting into Struts as it looks like a great way to maintain scalability and have code/html separation, without too much of an insane learning curve. If there's something better, I'd be better off getting into it now, as I'm a fairly n00b Java developer, but learning quickly on a gigantic multi-agency government defense project.

Re:Wow, appears I posted this in the wrong place : (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 9 years ago | (#9993476)

The magical combo is Tapestry [apache.org] -Spring [springframework.org] -Hibernate [hibernate.org] .

Tapestry is the new thang, and its more like coding a GUI instead of a web front end. Of course there is layers of abstraction, but that's good for maintainability.
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