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Like so much of the baseless crap happening in the comments

smitty_one_each (243267) writes | about 3 months ago

User Journal 20

The New Republic article is titled, "The Unelectable Whiteness of Scott Walker," with the sub-heading, "A Journey Through the Poisonous World That Produced a Republican Star."

The New Republic article is titled, "The Unelectable Whiteness of Scott Walker," with the sub-heading, "A Journey Through the Poisonous World That Produced a Republican Star."

This is completely insane. I have followed Walker's career for a long time, and there is nothing in his record that can plausibly be given a racial tinge. What does TNR have on him? He supports voter ID legislation. That's it. Of course, every Republican politician supports voter ID, as do a lot of Democratic pols. As for voters, I believe most polls show around 70% support. All of which is to say that the New Republic's smear is pathetic, made up out of whole cloth.

I'm moving to a theory that carpet bombing with falsehood is all the Progressives have left. A good, but painful data point on the road to recovery.

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Indeed the article does fall a bit short (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 3 months ago | (#47243499)

You could have, at least, linked to the article you are criticizing [newrepublic.com] . The article - from the title line - seems to be trying to paint Walker as a racist, but doesn't really accomplish that. They point out that he rose to power from an exceptionally white part of Wisconsin that surrounds a city in Wisconsin that is much closer to the average levels of racial and ethnic diversity of our nation. They also point out that when we was elected governor he was mentioning cities in Wisconsin and made no mention whatsoever of that more diverse city (which happens to be the largest city in Wisconsin).

That said, the subtitle of

A journey through the poisonous, racially divided world that produced a Republican star

Isn't that far off. They do show how starkly different Milwaukee is from its suburbs, on several socio-economic measures. They mention how Walker was repeatedly praised on talk radio in that area while his opponents - both republicans in primaries and democrats in general elections - were repeatedly bashed by the same outlets.

It would be interesting to know if the article and its titles were written by the same person. If the title were something more pedestrian - and accurate for the context - like "Scott Walker's rise to power in Wisconsin" it likely would have attracted many fewer eyeballs.

(a play on "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"?) (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | about 3 months ago | (#47244229)

I'm moving to a theory that carpet bombing with falsehood is all the Progressives have left.

Yes and no.

No in that, they could drop all of their charades like global warming and Conservatism=racism, and just be truthful about what they actually believe, and put that forth. Because it is a coherent belief system (just highly evil).

Yes in that, if you occasionally hear of the results of national political polls in America, you come to the estimation that about one third of us is solid Left (i.e. will approve of Obama and the Democrats no matter what they do/no matter how bad things get), about one third solid Right, and about one third completely mushy, politically. Given that's all they really have left to go after, and given that the mushy people could be talked into a truthful argument by the Left one minute, but then talked out of it by a countering truthful argument by the Right the next, lies can be much more potent, and especially the use of demonization, as far as taking and maintaining ground. I.e it's not that "confuse and distract" as I call it is the only tactic they can use, it's just that it's the only one they choose to use, and probably for good reason as explained (that is when you have no scruples about *how* you get people on your side). I.e. it's the only one they have left that's effective at this point, and for them effectiveness (in advancing Leftism) is like the almighty dollar to a cut-throat capitalist; nothing is so loathesome as to outweigh the pursuit of it.

And this is why DR and Fusta et al. will always only lie to you.

Re:(a play on "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 3 months ago | (#47244527)

just be truthful about what they actually believe, and put that forth

I think that the strategist for them was Gustav LeBon, and the tactician was Saul Alinsky. tl;dr, the former said "people are meat" and the latter said "morality is merely a stumbling block to power over that meat".

Re:(a play on "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"? (1)

Bill Dog (726542) | about 3 months ago | (#47245673)

Traditional morality, that is; e.g. the sanctity of (human) life, inalienable rights, the importance of marriage between a man and a woman/the family as a building block of healthy society, reverence for the Creator. All things the Left rejects or scorns, and replaces with their own morality; e.g. abortion/euthanasia is okay as we're just soulless animals that are a little more evolved, rights come from government, homosexual marriage and single parent child rearing is noble, and reverence for the creation.

And of course while I'm sure not all Lefties know who Saul Alinsky is, we know that at least Hillary Clinton, Chris Matthews, and the DOE do as they've mentioned the book by name, so the Leftie elites have at least ingested the Cliffs Notes version, and the rank-and-file Lefties follow the cue of the tactics of their religion's (independent of tactics to push it/force it, it's still a moral code) leaders.

Re:(a play on "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47246079)

Traditional morality, that is; e.g. the sanctity of (human) life, inalienable rights, the importance of marriage between a man and a woman/the family as a building block of healthy society, reverence for the Creator. All things the Left rejects or scorns, and replaces with their own morality; e.g. abortion/euthanasia is okay as we're just soulless animals that are a little more evolved, rights come from government, homosexual marriage and single parent child rearing is noble, and reverence for the creation.

And of course while I'm sure not all Lefties know who Saul Alinsky is, we know that at least Hillary Clinton, Chris Matthews, and the DOE do as they've mentioned the book by name, so the Leftie elites have at least ingested the Cliffs Notes version, and the rank-and-file Lefties follow the cue of the tactics of their religion's (independent of tactics to push it/force it, it's still a moral code) leaders.

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

So Leftism is becoming the dominating religion. One religion surpassing another has happened before. The religion of Jesus surpassed the religion of Zeus or Odin, and now Jesus is being replaced by the new Leftist deities.

Re:(a play on "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 3 months ago | (#47249299)

now Jesus is being replaced by the new Leftist deities

There is nothing new about the worship of naked power. Or its nihilistic end. The words of these fools shall pass, and the Gospel of Christ will cruise merrily along, except He return and pull the plug.

Re:(a play on "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47253077)

There is nothing new about the worship of naked power.

Yup, and those who worship the power of Christ are no exception.

The words of these fools shall pass

Indeed, the Christian fools against homosexuals will pass one day, just like old Christians who used to hunt witches and thinks Rock & Roll teaches kids to kill their parents

and the Gospel of Christ will cruise merrily along,

Sure, along with the poems about Odin and Zeus.

except He return and pull the plug.

Sure, when Ragnarok comes.

racist? How dare you? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 3 months ago | (#47244845)

Requiring voter ID, then closing polling places and DMV offices in minority neighborhoods has nothing at all to do with race.

If you live in Milwaukee county, you can expect to wait up to 6 hours to vote. If you live in Waukesha, your wait will be 8 minutes. And sir, would you like a beverage while you wait?

I can't wait until the national press starts to look more closely at Scott Walker and his corrupt administration (which doesn't seem to be able to do anything to help the Wisconsin job market for some strange reason).

Re: racist? How dare you? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 3 months ago | (#47245477)

These are interesting claims. Do you think Wisconsin more, or less corrupt than neighboring Illinois, and why? If these claims have a shred of merit (I confess skepticism), then why isn't Eric Holder's Department of "Justice" going over him with a fine-tooth comb and a magnet?
Were Walker, in fact, corrupt, wouldn't they park him adjacent the Illinois wing of the Federal Pen, with Blagojevich?
I suspect you, our your sources, of Making Stuff Up, sir.

Re: racist? How dare you? (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 3 months ago | (#47247789)

Do you think Wisconsin more, or less corrupt than neighboring Illinois

As a whole, Illinois is more corrupt. But the Walker administration is provably more corrupt than the Quinn administration.

Were Walker, in fact, corrupt, wouldn't they park him adjacent the Illinois wing of the Federal Pen, with Blagojevich?

You don't keep up with the news, do you? There has been an ongoing, on again, off again investigation into the Walker administration and Walker personally. He'll get a friendly Wisconsin judge to order the investigation shut down and then an appeals judge will order it opened again. It's cat and mouse, and having observed state corruption investigations from close range, it's eventually a trip to the federal pen.

It's funny that you bring up Blago, because Walker's alleged misdeeds are very similar. Not the attempted sale of a Senate seat, but all the other counts. We've got the secret email accounts, the destroyed evidence, the coordination of campaigns and non-profits. Out-and-out corruption. It's one reason you don't hear serious talk of a Walker presidential bid. That, and the fact that since he's been governor, there has been slower job growth in Wisconsin than most other states, including Illinois.

http://thinkprogress.org/justi... [thinkprogress.org]

http://www.walkerinvestigation... [walkerinvestigation.com]

http://scottwalkerwatch.com/co... [scottwalkerwatch.com]

Re: racist? How dare you? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 3 months ago | (#47249435)

I'll say the same thing about Walker I do of Obama; feel free not to like the guy, but in both cases, the voters have voiced approval. Obama won re-election, and Walker survived the recount. I give scant credence to your "friendly judge" theory: WSJ [wsj.com] :

The four-year effort by Democratic prosecutors to criminalize political speech in Wisconsin has hit the wall of the U.S. Constitution. In a ruling that could have consequences nationwide, federal judge Rudolph Randa issued a preliminary injunction Tuesday ending the secret John Doe probe of allies of Governor Scott Walker.
We've been telling you for months about the secret Wisconsin John Doe, which operates like a grand jury and forces targets to remain silent. The targets are right-of-center groups disliked by Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm, his special prosecutor Francis Schmitz, and the left-leaning state Government Accountability Board that regulates campaign finance.

American Spectator [spectator.org] :

The judge said that the district attorneys must stop these investigations and return all property taken from the victims of this abuse of power. Actually, I'll just quote from the end of the decision. It's fairly dramatic for this sort of document. (Note: The "Defendants" are the district attorneys, the plaintiffs are the conservative activists.)

The Defendants must cease all activities related to the investigation, return all property seized in the investigation from any individual or organization, and permanently destroy all copies of information and other materials obtained through the investigation. Plaintiffs and others are hereby relieved of any and every duty under Wisconsin law to cooperate further with Defendants‘ investig ation. Any attempt to obtain compliance by any Defendant or John Doe Judge Gregory Peterson is grounds for a contempt finding by this Court.

George Will [washingtonpost.com] :

In such investigations, prosecutors can promiscuously issue subpoenas and conduct searches. The identities of the targets are kept secret, and the targets are silenced by gag orders, thereby preventing public discussion of the process. Thus John Doe investigations are effective government instruments of disruption and intimidation.
Randa correctly concluded that the John Doe investigation had no reasonable expectation of obtaining a conviction. But its aim, which had been achieved until Randa’s ruling, was utterly unrelated to law. It was abetted by selective leaks by the prosecutors and by subpoenas sent to conservative donors and organizations nationwide. The purpose of all this was to suppress conservative political advocacy by consuming the time and other resources of conservative leaders, and by making people wary of collaborating with those targeted by a secretive criminal investigation.

I can only assume that you're completely unaware of what actually was going on with this prosecutorial abuse. It blows my mind to think that any reasonable, sane person could be cheering the raw abuse of power by the prosecutors in Wisconsin.
And, I'll note you're still in deflection mode on The New Republic's overt race/(gay [blogspot.com] ?) baiting.

Re: racist? How dare you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47251745)

the raw abuse of power by the prosecutors in Wisconsin.

how, pray tell, is this worse than the billions of dollars that so many have advocated to use on investigating benghazi? how is one a raw abuse of power and the other a great act of patriotism?

Re: racist? How dare you? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 3 months ago | (#47252767)

Trying to change the conversation away from your distraction (while still dodging the question of why TNR's overt racism is acceptable) really makes your diaper bulge in the back.

Re: racist? How dare you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47254797)

you don't really present a strong argument in favor of the idea that you actually read the article that you are lobbing such accusations towards. you might have a hard time processing this type of difference, but calling someone exceptionally white does not on its own constitute calling them a racist. for example, when weird al wrote "white and nerdy", nobody took that to be him declaring himself a raging negrophobe.

Re: racist? How dare you? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 3 months ago | (#47257557)

I'll say the same thing about Walker I do of Obama; feel free not to like the guy, but in both cases, the voters have voiced approval.

So that means we just just leave them alone? The voters spoke, so...

I can only assume that you're completely unaware of what actually was going on with this prosecutorial abuse.

Only one Republican crony judge has alleged any "prosecutorial abuse".

The story is far from over.

And, I'll note you're still in deflection mode on The New Republic's overt race/(gay?) baiting.

You believe pointing out racism is "race-baiting"? Yeah, I'll deflect that nonsense all day long. It's very easy to deflect.

Re: racist? How dare you? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 3 months ago | (#47257891)

Propaganda is propaganda is propaganda. May God require it of these liars.

Re: racist? How dare you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47303491)

Re: racist? How dare you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47303551)

Oh, and splendid job (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 3 months ago | (#47245499)

You did a fine job of changing the subject from the overt racism present in The New Republic's article. Althouse thought she detected a bit of gay baiting, too [blogspot.com] .

Re: racist? How dare you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47303565)

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