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Which is the "worse" vice? Sex or drugs?

Trolling4Dollars (627073) writes | more than 9 years ago

User Journal 24

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions about this being a right vs. left thing, I'll say that it's not. I'm specifically asking about personal opinion. If you want to bring up BJs in the oval office vs. coke snorting political marionettes, that's your own look out. The other thing I'll say is that there seems to be a lot of difficulty discussing anything related to sex on /. I haven't figured out why, since contrary to popular belief, many of us "geeks" get some on a reg

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions about this being a right vs. left thing, I'll say that it's not. I'm specifically asking about personal opinion. If you want to bring up BJs in the oval office vs. coke snorting political marionettes, that's your own look out. The other thing I'll say is that there seems to be a lot of difficulty discussing anything related to sex on /. I haven't figured out why, since contrary to popular belief, many of us "geeks" get some on a regular basis. But it does seem that "geeks" have a problem with actually openly discussing sexuality with people they don't know closely. Odd.

My personal feeling is that drugs are a worse vice than sex because of the damage they do to the most important part of your body: the brain. Sure, you COULD get an STD (possibly life threatening) from casual sex, but if your brain is in good working order, there are plenty of ways to prevent that. I've had a good number of sex partners and was smart enough to know how to avoid STDs, so I know it can be done. On the other hand, every person I know who has fallen victim to drug use has either had a tragic end to their lives, or is miserable now. I've had drug using friends go to jail for committing crimes that were the result of impaired judgement. I've had friends who are currently struggling to get out of poverty but are finding it difficult because they never made it through college due to their drug habits. Being in their mid 30s and having police records doesn't help either. The friends who indulged in very extreme sexual behavior have come out of it just fine. No STDs. No criminal record. And in every case, just a normal life (at worst) where they are now married and have some kids. However, here is the most telling fact in my opinion: the sex focused people can still indulge in their "vice" with no negative impact on their lives whereas the drug focused people seem to fall lower and lower the more they indulge. The only solution for the drug focused people is to completely stop using (a few of my friends fall into this category) otherwise they continue to decline.

What do you think?

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Tough question (1)

Pan T. Hose (707794) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544827)

You have raised a very interesting question. (Have you thought about submitting it as an Ask Slashdot story, or as a Slashdot poll? I think you should try.) Tough question. But I think I personally prefer sex. Yes, definitely. Of course it all depends on which exactly drugs are we talking about and what kind of sex, but I generally prefer sex, even though I must admit that there are some kinds of drugs which I like more than some kinds of sex. Actually, there are some kinds of sex which I don't like at all, even if the alternative would be no drugs. And vice versa, there are drugs which I don't like at all, even if the alternative would be no sex. Well, this one is more difficult. I don't know if there are drugs which I would not like if the alternative would be no sex at all, but certainly there are some which I would prefer not to take for the price of not having sex for some time. Not a very long time, though. But generally I am more pro-sex than anti-drugs. Yes, definitely.

Re:Tough question (1)

js7a (579872) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544993)

I agree. My understanding from the limited, folk epidemiology that I have been exposed to is as follows.

First, you must specify what you mean by "worse" -- which is why you put it in quotes. Suppose you were to use to common measure of infant mortality to decide. Sex increases the infant mortality rate, but not the infant mortality ratio, which all other things being equal it decreases. Some drugs increase the infant mortality rate, and some drugs decrease the rate, and do not always have the corresponding effect on the ratio. So, define an agregate quality of life measuremet or the question suffers from inadiquate context.

You must then draw distinctions between the types of sex and drugs you are asking about. If you mean to compare Clinton's affair during the period that the Republicans tried to shut down the government to George W. Bush's use of amphetamines, cocaine, and alchohol while he was in the Texas Air National Gaurd and on subsequen occasions, then you need only specify the quality of life measures to answer the question.

The answer, according to the aggregate quality of life measure that I use, is that sex is better than drugs.

Re:Tough question (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 9 years ago | (#10547041)

Sex in the pursuit of liberty is no vice...

Huh? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 9 years ago | (#10545771)

Since when is sex a vice? (guess I'm doing it wrong, then)

Re:Huh? (1)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 9 years ago | (#10546011)

In reponse to everyone so far... I'm going on the general discussion among most Americans when sex or drugs are brought up as issues that can be used to smear the character of an individual. Again, I am not refering to politicians, just regular people. There seem to be a lot of people who see sex as a vice unless it's used strictly for procreation instead of recreation. Drugs, used for recreation are also viewed as a vice, but I think this is more legitimate as I am not someone who uses drugs in that way. I've tried pot in the past, but that's pretty much it. Keep in mind, I don't drink alcohol and I don't even drink caffeine. I don't do this out of any sense of "morality" though. I do it because I don't like the taste of alcohol or coffee. Herbal tea is ok but now I'm just going off on a tangent. :)

2003 Sneak Preview (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10566429)

The new year is almost upon us and I thought it might be a nice gift to the faithful readers of trolltalk to offer this sneak preview of upcoming movies, scheduled to be released in 2003. Enjoy!

The story of a troubled man whose Momma was tormented by prank callers. The phoning episode leaves young Scott scarred for life and spawns a dark alter ego, "Vladman", who fights peaceful, quiet internet communities with his grossly obese superpowers and profound lack of intelligence. This film is a sure-fire hit, starring Roseanne Barr as "Momma" and Ernest Borgnine in the title role.

Vlad Max
This low budget action film comes from Australia. Food is scarce in a post-war society and a band of roving maniacs find a treasure-trove of food in the Lockwood family. Vlad escapes the pack of cannibals and swears revenge. With a blood-red bib and a giant salad fork, Vlad goes on a feeding rampage! Starring Marlon Brando in the title role.

Jaws IV: The Attack of Vlad
After defeating three shark attacks, the residents of Amity Island are besieged by a new behemoth from the deep. In this latest installment in the Jaws series, a giant, man-eating monstrosity rises from the depths to devour entire ships and then pollutes the shoreline with its massive feces. Who will be brave enough to stand up to this new threat?

Vlad and Reza's Excellent Adventure
In this comedic masterpiece, our heroes travel through time in a makeshift deep-freezer to sample culinary delights throughout the ages. But what will Vlad and Reza do once their mass exceeds the capacity of the freezer?? I won't tell, but you can bet it is hilarious!

Enter The Whale
An action-packed martial arts movie. You will be amazed at Vlad's special style of martial arts in this film. It's almost as if the attackers bounce right off of Vlad before he even moves. One criticism I have of this movie, however, is the makeup. Throughout the picture, Vlad appears flushed and excessively sweaty.

That's it for now. Stay tuned for a special preview of a new CD where your favorite rabbis cover some of America's greatest pop hits!

Drugs (1)

mpost4 (115369) | more than 9 years ago | (#10546121)

I think both are wrong (well sex outside of marrage is wrong IMO, inside it is good) But Drugs will kill you faster. Sex will not kill you, unless you count STD, then those mosly will be slow if they do kill you.

I object your honor (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 9 years ago | (#10546220)

I object to the question. It assumes facts not in evidence. In order for something to be 'worse', it must be 'bad'. Counsel has not shown either to be bad.

Re:I object your honor (1)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 9 years ago | (#10546424)

Grrr... Grumble... Grumble... Semantics.

OK. Since there is no such thing as black and white make the following assumptions :P (the_mad_poster was right. If everything I say is broken down into bite size chunks for the brain, I'll never get anything done) :

Recreational Drug use: Good? Bad?
Recreational Sex: Good? Bad?

Comparison between the two based on the above? My take: Sex is better than Drugs for recreation as it is not as potentially damaging to the most important part of the body: the brain.

Happy? ;P

Re:I object your honor (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 9 years ago | (#10546529)

I agree with your conclusions based on your clarification of the question. But I say that neither is inherently bad, but both can be misused.

In the Ghetto Part III (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10547210)

In the Ghetto Part III

Vlad sat on the living room couch, the cushions torn and vomiting foam from their inner core as he bounced up and down in excitement. He screamed at the television, as he shook his fist at it, sending Budweiser spilling out all over the floor.

"Come on, you goddamn white boy, if I wuz in there, he'd be dead now. Let's see some goddamn wrestling!"

Vlad didn't notice the doorbell ringing and continued screaming obsessively at the television as Reza bounced through the room to open the door.

Reza stood at the doorway in a sheeny, purple, see-through nighty, smiling at the black couple who greeted her, "hi I'm Reza! You must be Pedro and Florence from the personal ad..."

As a commercial flashed onto the television, Vlad turned to see what all the comotion was about. He recognized Pedro in the blue cathode-ray glow, "hey DOOOOOG!"

Vlad hopped from the couch, emitting a spurt of gas as he did so.

Pedro and Florence, who was holding a fat black child with curly hair, entered the dingey apartment. Vlad and Pedro high-fived each other and then Pedro began to rap:

This is Pedro G
Gangsta P
Sippin' on Hi-C
Smokin' PCP
Smooooooth Nigga

Vlad began to break-dance to the off-the-cuff rap. Farting with each bend of the leg and twist of the waist.

Oooooooh. A little Mastah B on the Bonus T
Got it goin' on girl
Droppin' Baby Marticock on your ass, Byatttch

Vlad and Pedro laughed heartily and butted guts.

"You ready to do some swappin' V-Dog," Pedro drooled. Reza grew wet with the suggestion.

"You bet I is, bro," Vlad replied eagerly. He trampled off into the other room, much to Reza's confusion.

In no time at all, Vlad returned holding Marticock, gurgling and farting. Pedro took his child from Florence and exchanged him for Marticock.

Reza frowned and shook her head, "no, no, no!"

Vlad and Pedro laughed as Reza and Florence ran into the bedroom to weep.

Vlad grinned as he removed the black child's diaper, "this is gonna be good! I never cornholed me a nigra before!"

Re:I object your honor (1)

sydb (176695) | more than 9 years ago | (#10547777)

I think you're doing a whitewash by using this stupid term "drugs", I mean, what does that mean? Paracetemol is a drug. Ibuprofen is a drug. Ethanol is a drug. Tell me what you mean by "drugs".

And for that matter, what do you mean by brain damage?

Salvinorin A is a chemical which produces exceptional experiences. But there are no recorded cases of brain damage or long-term affects (other than the positive effect of a cure for depression - is this damage?).

Cannabis has been accused of bringing on psychotic epsiodes, but the medical community seems to agree that it's effect is to reveal or potentiate underlying predispositions rather than create disease of itself. Same goes for LSD which is active in such tiny doses as to be considered non-toxic. This is similar to the case of Salvinorin A, active in the hundreds-of-microgrammes range in the human body.

On the other hand, I have had several years of my life ruined by the forces of lust. I dropped out of college because of it. Drugs never did anything like that to me.

I guarantee sex and lust have caused more people to do stupid things than drugs ever did.

Actually I take that back, and I think your question is silly. Sex and drugs are not vices, they don't cause problems. People's misuse of these gifts to us is what causes problems.

Re:I object your honor (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 9 years ago | (#10546442)

Yes. I think far more empirical evidence must be amassed before further disputation.

Do we have any volunteers?



Re:I object your honor (1)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 9 years ago | (#10546560)

Awww.. shucks. Now yer jus funnin' me.

Dick Cheney in emoticon form --> BY

Re:I object your honor (1)

Ethelred Unraed (32954) | more than 9 years ago | (#10546591)

Dick Cheney in emoticon form --> BY

And that is one of the funniest things I've seen in ages.

Though you forgot the pitchfork and tail.



Uh, I can answer that right now (1)

freejung (624389) | more than 9 years ago | (#10547831)

That would be "yes please" for me, right there.

When the experimentation gets really interesting is when you combine the two...

In the Ghetto Part XIX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10546734)

In the Ghetto Part XIX

Marticock stared vacantly at the large stuffed animal that sat propped against the side of his crib. The bear was a gift from Marticock's grandmother and, at a subconscious level, it comforted him. The toy was three times Marticock's size and far too heavy for him to move with a casual tug. Marticock's unsteady hand reached out to the bear and grasped the arm. He pulled on the toy two or three times, then grew weary. Marticock rested a moment, panting, sweating and farting.

Once he was rested, Marticock rolled over onto his stomach and pulled his body toward the bear. The friction against his penis, roughly the size of the ball from a ball-point pen, caused him to get an erection and fed his determination. With a few more pulls, Marticock had dragged himself to the bear. He rested on the floor of the crib, panting and sweating and drooling.

Marticock regained his strength and pulled himself up, using the bear as a brace. Marticock let go of the bear and then let himself fall against it. The bear fell over onto its face. The bear was made so that it was always in a sitting position and so, it sat on the floor of the crib with its rear high in the air and its face to the floor.

Marticock clumsily fiddled with his diaper until it came loose and he pulled himself along the crib, causing his diaper to slip away from his pale, clammy body. Marticock grabbed onto the sides of the bear with each hand and pulled himself onto it, so that he was mounting it.

Marticock moved his waist around until his tiny penis penetrated a tear in the bear's seam. He thrust against the bear several times until a strange sensation flooded over him. Marticock was far too young to ejaculate but, as is always the case with Nature, a compensatory mechanism was invoked. As the endorphines flooded little Marticock's little brain, his little intestines clenched tightly, expunging a quick, wet stream of liquid feces, chased by an incredible boom of flatulence. Spent, Marticock collapsed on the bear, his penis and bowel twitching.

Elsewhere in the double-wide, Vlad farted. It wasn't his normal style of anal eructation. This was one of Vlad's special farts. The kind of fart that Vlad had always found to portend something of significance. Subconsciously, Vlad analyzed the frequency of the anal vibrations created in the wake of the fart; his nose studied the molecular composition of the gasses; his ears classified the tonal resonances.

Deep in Vlad's mind a realization congealed out of the slime and slowly bubbled its way into consciousness: his son had become a Cockwood.

sex and drugs and rock'n roll (1)

Mantorp (142371) | more than 9 years ago | (#10547272)

is all my brain and body need

If practiced properly (1)

freejung (624389) | more than 9 years ago | (#10547803)

neither of these need be a vice. If practiced improperly, either can be fatal. So it's hard to tell which is worse. But I'd have to come down on the side of sex being more fun, so in that sense, I guess drugs are worse in that they are not better. As Hunter Thompson showed in his book by that name, nothing is better than sex, not even politics.

I don't talk (1)

SamTheButcher (574069) | more than 9 years ago | (#10550059)

about sex online because my wife wouldn't want me too, and it doesn't really matter for the most part. It's kind of personal for me, so I don't talk about it. I've not talked a lot about my drug use either, mostly because it was a long, long time ago.

Sex OR drugs? (1)

Zeriel (670422) | more than 9 years ago | (#10555912)

You're being close-minded could EASILY be both.

Seriously, I stick to my libertarian guns--as long as your vices stay out of my area (And, well, everyone elses), they're cool.

Keep it at home. =)

Re:Sex OR drugs? (1)

Trolling4Dollars (627073) | more than 9 years ago | (#10556340)

Idealist. (yeah that was a rip) ;P

Re:Sex OR drugs? (1)

Zeriel (670422) | more than 9 years ago | (#10556673)

I've been called worse for fewer reasons. =P

Are you Vladequate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10566430)


Do you hang out on IRC, chainsmoking, drinking scotch and bitching about other people not having a life?

Do you think typing threats on your keyboard makes you a Martial Arts expert?

Do you use the word "USIA" thinking it makes you sound clever?

Do you spend an hour writing some long boring rant that says nothing but the exact opposite of what any sane person would believe and think that is clever?

Do you make female accounts on blogs as an expression of your repressed gender-confusion?

Has your girlfriend had a miscarriage due to smoking drugs?

Does your wife weigh over 150lbs? 200lbs? 400lbs?

Do YOU weigh over 200lbs? 400lbs? 800lbs?

Do you find your aura of alcoholic stench repulses everyone around you, leaving you a bitter, uncreative drunkard on irc coming on to men pretending to be women?

Do you believe the toor account on your *BSD box is a sign of a hacking attempt?

If you answered "YES" to any of these questions, then the chances are good that you are VLADEQUATE! Please blow your brains out immediately and spare
the world your boring, repetitive, drunken ramblings.

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