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eFax spam

wowbagger (69688) writes | more than 9 years ago

User Journal 22

I'm writing this so that, hopefully, it will be indexed by Google, and others will be able to find it.

Recently, I've been getting a lot of emails from eFax about "my eFax account".

Now, I can assure you I have not set up an eFax account - these mails are addressed to my work email. Why would I set up an eFax number for work, where I have a perfectly good fax number?

I'm writing this so that, hopefully, it will be indexed by Google, and others will be able to find it.

Recently, I've been getting a lot of emails from eFax about "my eFax account".

Now, I can assure you I have not set up an eFax account - these mails are addressed to my work email. Why would I set up an eFax number for work, where I have a perfectly good fax number?

Clearly, "somebody else" signed my work email up for an eFax account. Why? Most likely to cash in on a referral program.

Now, if eFax were following accepted industry best practices, they would have sent an email to my work address saying "somebody has signed this address up for an eFax account, please respond if you really want this, otherwise do nothing and we will forget it."

They didn't.

So, in my mind this makes them spammers, pure and simple. It also makes them pretty stupid as well, as they are being ripped off by the folks cashing in on the referral program giving them bogus names. But then again, that IS rule #1 of spammers - spammers are stupid.

When this started, I did my usual - Google for "efax spam" to see if there was a raft of hits. There was not.

Well, I figure I'll put this in my Journal, and put this JE in my sig line, and with a bit of luck it will be indexed, and at least one hit will show up.

Since the raft of hits did NOT show up, and since eFax seems to be at least TRYING to act like a "rezponuble bidnizmens", I sent them a short nastygram with their last email - we shall see what comes of that.

(Before you say "Wowbagger you fool! NEVER respond to a remove link or spam!" - my work email is already comprimised - I get 20 spams a day that make it through the corporate spam filter. I've had this email address for thirteen years, and have used it in several technical forums.)

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Addendum: Withing TENS OF MINUTES of my sending them a nastygram, and receiving an auto-ack for it, they send me a spam about joining Stamps.com

So, I would call that hypothesis confirmed. Both eFax.com and Stamps.com are spammers.

And the reason I made those links is to better attract Google.

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Addendum (25 Oct 2004): Once again, eFax.com spammed me with a "How to change your eFax number" spam. Again - this was *after* they had terminated the account that I never created in the first place.

So I once again sent them a nastygram about not spamming me - this one CC'ed to their upstream net provider AND their domain registrar.

So, they respond to me - that they cannot help me change the number as they have canceled it. In other words, instead of reading the mail I sent, they just responded to the spam they sent me.

More proof - eFax.com are spammers.

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Wowbagger you fool, (1)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578746)

I've not seen this one. Have you done a 'whois' to see who has registered the domain? I've found that a forceful but polite-ish phone call to the number on record, saying "Please stop spamming me and where did you get my name" has worked both times I felt the need to go to that point.

Re:Wowbagger you fool, (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578896)

Organization:
Register.Com
Domain Registrar
575 8th Avenue New York, NY 10018 US
Phone: 212-798-9200
Email: domain-registrar@register.com

Registrar Name: Register.com
Registrar Whois: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: EFAX.COM

Created on Mon, Oct 26, 1998
Expires on Tue, Oct 25, 2011
Record last updated on Thu, Jul 08, 2004

Administrative Contact:
Register.Com
Domain Registrar
575 8th Avenue New York, NY 10018 US
Phone: 212-798-9200
Email: domain-registrar@register.com

Technical Contact
Register.Com
Domain Registrar
575 8th Avenue New York, NY 10018 US
Phone: 212-798-9200
Email: domain-registrar@register.com

Zone Contact
Register.Com
Domain Registrar
575 8th Avenue New York, NY 10018 US
Phone: 212-798-9200
Email: domain-registrar@register.com

Spammier and spammier. No contact other than the registrar. No real address, no real phone, no real admin email. Spammier and spammier.

And due to the stupid lameness filter, I have to put all this in place and edit out the formatting just to get it to post in my own damn journal. What junk characters? I guess it doesn't like short lines.

So no, I don't think these guys are clean. They may not be Spamford Wallace, they may not be using Trojaned machines to do their bidding, they may not be "hats so black that Dr. Steven Hawking is studying them", but never the less, their hats don't reflect much in the way of EM radiation.

Re:Wowbagger you fool, (1)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 9 years ago | (#10579371)

So, an annoyed spam recipient who felt like making a spammer's life more interesting might contact register.com with this information, ask them how it reconciles with their acceptable use policy (hint: prolly not very well), and might enjoy sitting back and watching the fireworks. I'd be happy to also ask the same question of the same domain if you think it'd help. Let me know.

Register.com TOS (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 9 years ago | (#10579474)

Unfortunately, the Register.com terms of service give them a hole big enough to drive a Dyson sphere through, so I really doubt this will work.

However, the next spam I get from these guys goes to register.com as well.

The real beyatch of this is that the email address they are using is my older work email - we were recently aquired and the address changed. So to send it to eFax I have to reconfig to use the older address, otherwise eFax puts on their innocent hat and says "but your email address isn't in our system".

Re:Register.com TOS (1)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 9 years ago | (#10657579)

You need mutt + "set envelope_from=yes". :)

Domain registrars vs network providers (1)

Anders Andersson (863) | more than 9 years ago | (#10594847)

I seldom look at the domain records anyway, since any single spammer can have plenty of domains, maybe even with different registrars. I prefer concentrating on their network providers, since they are the ones actually transmitting their junk (or at least providing address space). If you compare the millions of domains assigned via your average registrar to the thousands of customers that have obtained address space from your average ISP (very rough numbers, of course), I think you agree that the latter is more likely to pay attention to complaints.

Also, when I'm in blacklisting mode, I find it much easier to blacklist groups of adjacent IP networks than groups of adjacent domains. Trying to identify the spammers, one by one, among ten million COM domains? Forget it. There are plenty of zombie hosts around to make IP address blacklisting a pain too, but as long as I get more spam than ham from one particular network, that ISP isn't worth being nice to.

How did you do that? (1)

Anders Andersson (863) | more than 9 years ago | (#10594662)

a forceful but polite-ish phone call to the number on record, saying "Please stop spamming me and where did you get my name" has worked both times

It worked? As in, they stopped spamming you and told you from where they got your name? I can perhaps believe the former, but hardly the latter.

If I ever try to contact an appearant spammer, it's for the purpose of obtaining some information from them, never merely to "opt out" from further abuse. If their response indicates to me that they somehow acted in good faith, I may decide to reward them for responding and not press the matter further. However, if their reply says "we found your address on the Internet", "don't know how it happened, but it won't happen again" or some similar crap, that's them asking for express delivery of their entire IPv4 network (size dependant on their WHOIS entry and my mood) into my private blacklist. Getting removed but not learning why I was added in the first place is a mere waste of time.

One (Swedish) spammer even went to the trouble of telling the recipients how he had built his mailing list by scanning all Swedish university-related web pages he could find plus other pages found up to three successive hyperlinks away. He had ended up with some 100,000 e-mail addresses, and even provided a database on the web where each recipient could look up his or her address and learn what page it was found on! When I inquired about his common sense, he admitted that he was spamming, but he claimed his spam was lenient in that he helped recipients identify web pages from which to have their e-mail addresses removed. I mean, does anyone have a cluestick the size of a Saturn V rocket that I could have used on this guy?

Re:How did you do that? (1)

djh101010 (656795) | more than 9 years ago | (#10599516)

It worked? As in, they stopped spamming you and told you from where they got your name? I can perhaps believe the former, but hardly the latter.

Good point - I wasn't real clear there. "worked", for value of "I never got more email from them", but didn't work in that they didn't admit to buying a list of emails to send spam to and/or harvesting Usenet posts.

As to your Saturn V cluestick, might I suggest applying it as a suppository rather than a club? Might get their attention a bit better.

I found out... (1)

bryanthompson (627923) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578816)

that a neighbor of mine is one of these fax spammers one day. He hired me to fix his computer, so I did, but in the process I found out what his scam was. While I was over there, he got a fax back from a guy that was a copy of (I think) Utah's Fax spam laws... Basically, he could've been in an assload of trouble for doing it. I did see him remove the guy from his database.

aaanyway... you might be able to come up with some threatening letter if your state has any laws on this...

Re:I found out... (0, Offtopic)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 9 years ago | (#10580332)

I see you're still using your sig to advertise the fact that Bush's entire platform is based on blatant lies and all of his supporters are just the people who are ignorant enough to believe them.

Keep up the good work there, Bushie. I'd hate to see the Bush administration's obvious goal of complete worldwide ignorance defeated because one of their supporters actually did something intelligent or honest.

Re:I found out... (-1, Offtopic)

bryanthompson (627923) | more than 9 years ago | (#10581443)

Did you see where Kerry picked up an endorsement from Yassir Arafat? http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/7759 [outsidethebeltway.com]

Re:I found out... (0, Offtopic)

the_mad_poster (640772) | more than 9 years ago | (#10581494)

I'm sorry, I must have vision problems. Could you please point out where your signature says anything about Yassir Arafat?

And, of course Arafat wants Kerry to win. Bush has made it quite clear - and this is one rare thing I wholeheartedly agree with him on - that he will not deal with the Palestineans until Arafat is completely replaced. The little psychofuck clearly has a 0% chance of getting anywhere if Bush stays in, so he can't possibly be any worse off if Kerry wins.

Please, after you've explained why you still have the blatant, absolute lie in your signature, do explain how that response was even remotely relevant?

Re:I found out... (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 9 years ago | (#10581805)

OK, guys, while this is all very interesting, may I ask that you take it to your own journals?

I'd like to keep this JE focused upon the eFax issue.

Now, should I ever start a JE about politics, then by all means feel free to jump right in!

Re:I found out... (0, Offtopic)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 9 years ago | (#10582723)

You didn't hear that Iran endorsed Bush today, did you? [newsday.com]

It's true!

"The experience of two wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the responsibility Bush had, will make it a very remote possibility for him to risk attacking a much bigger and more powerful country like Iran," he said.

Mofidi added that "Democrats usually insist on human rights and they will have more excuses to pressure Iran."


So I guess now you'll be staying home on election day, hmmmmmmmm?

*cough*LOSER*cough*

Once again. (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 9 years ago | (#10584788)

I'd like this JE to be about eFax spamming, not politics.

If you want to discuss politics, take it to your own JEs.

If I ever got mod points I'd mod the lot of you offtopic.

Fine (1)

cyranoVR (518628) | more than 9 years ago | (#10585533)

I used to have an eFax account, but I finally cancelled it because they were spamming me like crazy. Litterally one "marketing" message every 2 days.

Eventually, I was able to get the account canceled. It was a bitch tho.

PS - John Kerry for prez! :P

Re:I found out... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10585389)

did you see where Bush was endorsed by Iran?? Fucknut.

OK Guys... (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 9 years ago | (#10584777)

Once again guys - This JE is about eFax spamming, not about politics. You want to discuss politics, create your own JEs and do it there.

I'd mod the lot of you offtopic IF I EVER GOT MOD POINTS.

Re:OK Guys... (1)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 9 years ago | (#10657615)

You've posted in the discussion, so you couldn't moderate anyway. And here, I had a few mod points, but didn't get to this point until I'd already posted. Curses!

Re:OK Guys... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10677049)

So which of the presidential candidates will do a better job of fighting fax spamming if elected? This is a really important issue, but I didn't hear anything about it during the debates or in any of the campaign ads. I don't think Bush even has a plan for dealing with fax spamming. And neither does Kerry. I'll bet Nader opposes it though, since he has long fought against the intrusion of advertising into all aspects of everyday life (I mean jesus christ, is there anywhere you can go these days and not be exposed to advertising???)

sigs don't get indexed (1)

BandwidthHog (257320) | more than 9 years ago | (#10598067)

The googlebot doesn't see slashdot sigs, as it's not a logged in user.

Re:sigs don't get indexed (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 9 years ago | (#10598624)

OK, good to know.

However, since my "homepage URL" is my journal, any indexing of a page on which I have a comment will have the URL for my Journal, which will have this JE, so the job does get done.

However, I've updated my homepage URL to be this JE, just to help out a bit.
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