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At my current workplace, I've outlasted ...

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  • No one: I'm a new hire

    3335 votes / 11%
  • A few people, but I'm on the left of the curve

    6375 votes / 22%
  • About half of my coworkers.

    4476 votes / 15%
  • Most of my coworkers.

    6953 votes / 24%
  • I'm the longest-lived employee of all.

    1757 votes / 6%
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    2744 votes / 9%
  • I'm self-employed.

    2693 votes / 9%
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177 comments

Frosty piss (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46150801)

I'm self-unemployed, you insensitive clod!

Re:Frosty piss (4, Insightful)

buswolley (591500) | about 6 months ago | (#46167725)

MISSING option: FUCK BETA. Fuck Beta a second time.

Re:Frosty piss (4, Insightful)

Common Joe (2807741) | about 6 months ago | (#46171019)

Okian Warrior agrees. He wants help to create a new site at www.altslashdot.org and needs help to make it happen:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4757817&cid=46170797 [slashdot.org]

This shit about forcing us onto inferior technology and inferior information at a technology site is asinine. I can't believe they are going to force us onto the beta site after all of the feedback we've given them with the specific reasons about what is wrong with the technology. If they can't believe the experts in technology who are also their customers, who are they going to believe?

For a laugh, here is an article [cio.com] written by someone at computer world and promoted at cio.com about what marketing would like to say to IT people like us. It starts off with "Chief marketing officer David Perry knows exactly what he needs from his organization's IT department" and goes downhill from there. Dice, take note that this article is so full of holes, we could tear this article apart in our sleep yet you are just like Chief marketing officer David Perry. You think you know what you need to do and you are wrong because you are not listening to us.

I agree with one thing mentioned in the article: technology people and marketing people should work more closely together. Why aren't you? Why aren't you reaching out and hearing our feedback? You have 3, 4, and 5 digit users saying very negative things about the beta site with clear logical reasoning. The 6 and 7 digit users are in full support.

Want to stop Okian Warrior and keep who you haven't lost here? Halt production of the new website and publically announce that you're scrapping it. Fix the problems with the old site and then get feedback as how to improve the old site. Yeah, some of us are a little crass, but we'll work with you if you work with us.

Re:Frosty piss (2)

unitron (5733) | about 6 months ago | (#46171885)

I just posted to Okian's thread suggesting the possibility of a one week co-ordinated boycott to show just how many beta foes there are.

Maybe we can call ourselves the VHS_Mob. : - )

Re:Frosty piss (2)

Common Joe (2807741) | about 6 months ago | (#46172055)

I'd say a one week boycott could be interesting, but Okian Warrior posted the exact same message in several spots. (I'm just spreading the word.) Perhaps email him with that suggestion. He left his email in the message. Not sure how'd we'd organize that and have an effect.

Re:Frosty piss (3, Interesting)

unitron (5733) | about 6 months ago | (#46172379)

It turns out an AC beat me to the boycott idea by a couple of hours and is suggesting February 10th -17th, so I'm hoping beta will be a victim of the Slashdot Valentines Day Massacre.

Re:Frosty piss (2)

Common Joe (2807741) | about 6 months ago | (#46172633)

Ah ha. I happened to see where you posted it in reply to Okian and I bumped both of y'all up since I had mod points. :) Hopefully the word spreads and the boycott is on!

-- Common Joe

Slashdot Valentines Day Massacre: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck Beta!": February 10 - 17

And Support Okian Warrior's Alternate Slashdot [slashdot.org] Idea!

Re:Frosty piss (2)

unitron (5733) | about 6 months ago | (#46172975)

Join the Slashcott! Help kill beta!

Re:Frosty piss (1)

TractorBarry (788340) | about 6 months ago | (#46174825)

VHS_Mob ? Boycott from the 10th to 17th ? I'm in ! The new beta site sucks. not quite as bad as Windows 8 but....

Re:Frosty piss (3, Insightful)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about 6 months ago | (#46177375)

[...] not quite as bad as Windows 8 [...]

It's built on the same design principle: If it ain't broke, abandon it for something entirely different.

Re:Frosty piss (1)

cfulton (543949) | about 6 months ago | (#46177917)

Nothing sucks that bad.

Re:Frosty piss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183063)

Gnome 3.

Re:Frosty piss (2)

donscarletti (569232) | about 6 months ago | (#46193569)

Yeah, you guys should boycott. I shudder to think of how lonely and empty I would feel if none of the comment threads were about "fuck beta" and they were about the article instead. I think missing out on your company would be enough to convince me and the other complacent sheep here to join the cause.

Re:Frosty piss (2)

unitron (5733) | about 6 months ago | (#46194047)

They can be about the article any old time.

How many chances do you think we'll get to keep Dice from turning this place into SlashingtonPost?

Re:Frosty piss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46186901)

Got myself a 3 digit iud on altslashdot.org! If they don't renouce the direction they're heading in, I'll be leaving here and hanging out on altslashdot. In the mean time, I'll take next week off and not visit slashdot at all. Perhaps if enough of us do it, we'll make a difference.

In the mean time, I encourage everyone to sign up for altslashdot -- get the low iuds while the getting is good! I think the odds of Dice listening to reason are somewhat less than 50% Corporate types are loathe to admit error.

 

Re:Frosty piss (1)

fafalone (633739) | about 6 months ago | (#46187223)

As a 6-digit user I resent that. The beta is terrible and needs to be entirely scrapped.

And the absolute worst part is this bullshit they're feeding us about how they're listening to our feedback and making incremental improvements. It's fucking insulting. 99% of commenters seem to want the thing gone entirely, but they're not listening to us. They're shoving a horrible design down our throats and completely disregarding everyone that doesn't agree with them.

Re:Frosty piss (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 6 months ago | (#46199639)

>For a laugh, here is an article [cio.com] written by someone at computer world and promoted at cio.com about what marketing would like to say to IT people like us. It starts off with "Chief marketing officer David Perry knows exactly what he needs from his organization's IT department" and goes downhill from there.

Ever wonder how we got milkshakes that you have to eat with a spoon?

Ever wonder how Ketchup got so thick that you have to take up lifting weights to shake it out of the bottle?

Ever wonder how Cars come out, then become bigger, wider, longer, and so many other "'ers" that they have to bring out a new car because people actually wanted the old one?

Ever wonder how an operating system could become changed so much that it isn't recognizable, and doesn't function well any more?

Marketing.

And Marketing always knows best, even when they take a company down,

Re:Frosty piss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46200293)

Fork slashdot!!

Re:Frosty piss (2)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about 6 months ago | (#46177347)

Missing Option: Looking for work since my company shuttered. For some reason, everyone stopped visiting our website.

Re:Frosty piss (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about 6 months ago | (#46184691)

Better: make a new poll
(a) keep beta
(b) trash beta
at least we'll know what everyone thinks about that

Re:Frosty piss (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 6 months ago | (#46199075)

The joke option should be last. Therefore:

About beta ...
 
( ) Trash it
( ) Keep it

Re:Frosty piss (1)

fafalone (633739) | about 6 months ago | (#46199541)

This.

How's about a poll about whether or not to go forward with beta? Then you can show us just how much everyone loves it and only a tiny minority wants it scrapped entirely! Tiny incremental improvements will change all our minds right!

So where's the poll? Oh that's right, having a >90% against it will make the opposition even more clear, and get the casual users wondering why something so horrendously unpopular is being shoved down everyone's throat.

Re:Frosty piss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46170305)

Is that an euphemism for: "We rob banks! [youtube.com] " ?

Re:Frosty piss (1)

legojenn (462946) | about 6 months ago | (#46175489)

I outlasted Cowboy Neal.

Re:Frosty piss (1)

arth1 (260657) | about 6 months ago | (#46185943)

I outlasted Cowboy Neal.

That's what Kathleen said too.

Re:Frosty piss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46188313)

I'm self-unemployed, you insensitive clod!

The numbers of the self unemployed are growing but I'm thinking about early retirement with the lead parachute.

Data says (4, Funny)

mhajicek (1582795) | about 6 months ago | (#46150803)

Less likely to outlast coworkers if reading Slashdot...

You forgot to mention (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46181483)

Fuck beta. Fuck it in the eyes.

Seems indirect.There must be a better way. (1)

DeTech (2589785) | about 6 months ago | (#46151071)

Couldn't you just ask for age and number of jobs?

Re:Seems indirect.There must be a better way. (1)

similar_name (1164087) | about 6 months ago | (#46151469)

What would that tell you?

Re:Seems indirect.There must be a better way. (5, Funny)

mschuyler (197441) | about 6 months ago | (#46152919)

Age and number of jobs.

Re:Seems indirect.There must be a better way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46165065)

*rubs hands together, before twirling large handlebar mustache tips feaverishly*
Wouldn't *you* like to know!
Soon you'll see. Soon you'll all see!
*darts off stage with head hidden inside cape*

Phd (5, Funny)

Extremus (1043274) | about 6 months ago | (#46151075)

I am a phd candidate working in an university lab, you insensitive clod.

Outlasting my co-workers means something completly different around here.

Re:Phd (2, Insightful)

Infiniti2000 (1720222) | about 6 months ago | (#46153263)

That might be the last time you have a decent job that isn't being a teacher somewhere.

Re:Phd and Labs (3, Informative)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 6 months ago | (#46156021)

Have to agree. Many of those I outlasted have gone on to teach at Stanford, various other universities, and/or set up their own labs.

But I'm doing core courses to get ready for my own PhD.

A word to those not doing PhDs - get job experience NOW while still in school. You will really wish you had.

And if doing a PhD, start lining up post-doc positions BEFORE you get your PhD. You will really wish you had.

Re:Phd and Labs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46158377)

A word to those not doing PhDs - get job experience NOW while still in school.

Or you could stop being a lazy moron and self educate. That's what people who are actually interested in the subject do.

Re:Phd and Labs (2)

pr0fessor (1940368) | about 6 months ago | (#46163063)

I got a giggle out of that because depending on the subject you could very well be correct, take music for example, your not going to argue that Les Paul didn't innovate or that he is undeserving of the honorary degrees he was given. If you search a little you'll find all kinds of musicians with honorary degrees for doing something that changed music or were just really good.

Re:Phd and Labs (3, Funny)

Cenan (1892902) | about 6 months ago | (#46171013)

The thing with honorary degrees is that when you receive it you no longer need it.

Re:Phd and Labs (1)

xyzzymage (3415857) | about 6 months ago | (#46184217)

If you haven't actually majored in a subject or been close to someone that did, you can't really tell whether an advanced education will help or not. I didn't major in music, but one good friend and another friend's barely-older sibling were both music majors at extremely competitive schools, and they got so much out of it that Ienvied them. They spent a lot of time practicing at their departments while someone more experienced paid close attention and made all kinds of suggestions & corrections that really honed their skill far above what they could've gotten from just practicing. They had their pick of famous symphonies to play at when they graduated.

One of my favorite artists is a self-taught genius -- he composes, sings, and has mastered 40 different freaking instruments. Yet during an interview several years ago, he said that he had finally taken lessons and benefited so much from them that he wished he had gone that route in the first place. I'd noticed that his instrumental work had gained a new level of subtle complexity & depth (though I didn't know why), so I'd say he was right.

The less obviously talent-focused departments like rhetoric or linguistics also exist to hone skills far beyond what students could manage on their own. It's just that if a person either lacks a strong native talent or hasn't spent a ton of time developing the skills (or related ones), they're probably not going to be capable of sensing any of that going on -- especially if they automatically assume that it's not.

Re:Phd and Labs (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46160573)

And if doing a PhD, start lining up post-doc positions BEFORE you get your PhD. You will really wish you had.

That's some lousy advice if I ever heard it.

Re:Phd and Labs (2)

chihowa (366380) | about 6 months ago | (#46170399)

It's not really, though.

Sometimes, the best way to motivate your advisor to let you defend is to have a postdoc already lined up. Also, some postdoc fellowships need to be applied for many months in advance.

Moping around in the lab after you've graduated is lame.

Re:Phd and Labs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183099)

About a year prior to your defense is when you need to be setting up your postdoc. The granting agencies are just that slow.

Re:Phd (1)

buswolley (591500) | about 6 months ago | (#46156617)

As am I. Senior at last.

Re:Phd (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46162299)

You don't want to do a postdoc... do something, anything else. It is absolutely the worst type of job you could get (I don't care what field it is). I've been a professor and I've been a government grant manager. I know how academic sausage is made, and it's not pretty. The lives and livelihoods of senior grad students and postdocs are gambled for big results, but they very rarely see the pay off, it will go to the faculty mentor almost without fail. Senior faculty, no matter how nice and well intentioned, are not there to help you out. You will be used and discarded. Go find some young (untenured, tenure track) professor and ask for career advice. That person will tell you to go get a job in industry or government until you've done enough to switch directly to a tenured faculty position; that is, if being a professor is what you want to do.

Getting a PhD is nice, but anyone who is telling you to get a postdoc is not doing you any favors. Get out there and actually start getting credit for your work. You may think you are, but the people with the money are giving credit for your work to your professor.

Re:Phd (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 6 months ago | (#46171829)

Note that the parent's advice only applies in the USA (where it is very accurate).

Re:Phd (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46162371)

I am a porn actor.

Outlasting my co-workers means something completely different around here.

Re: Phd (1)

Ukab the Great (87152) | about 6 months ago | (#46181831)

You insensitive clod. It means something completely different for us giggolos as well.

Re:Phd (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46183639)

I am a phd candidate working in an university lab, you insensitive clod.

Outlasting my co-workers means something completly different around here.

An your probably in an US state in an america.

Golden handcuffs (5, Insightful)

LunaticTippy (872397) | about 6 months ago | (#46151241)

I feel a little trapped in my job. Pay is OK, hours are 9-5, and in my mid 40s I'm scared of trying something new that might turn into 60 hour weeks or go belly up.

I've been through enough pointless death marches and had enough employers go under. Sometimes I think about pursuing something more exciting or lucrative but stability wins out for me when it comes to paychecks.

Re:Golden handcuffs (5, Insightful)

DeTech (2589785) | about 6 months ago | (#46151355)

Sometimes the lifehack is doing what you don't mind to have time to do what you love.

Re:Golden handcuffs (0)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 6 months ago | (#46163739)

Sometimes the lifehack is doing what you don't mind to have time to do whom you love.

Fixed that for you :)

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

JustOK (667959) | about 6 months ago | (#46171263)

Leave Brittany alone!

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

Grisstle (2798631) | about 6 months ago | (#46155441)

I'm in the same boat. I work great hours, have weekends off, great pay and no motivation to continue climbing anymore. I don't want to switch jobs because my current job of 5 years is comfortable and I still get new challenges all the time that keep me from getting bored.

Re:Golden handcuffs (4, Insightful)

Valdrax (32670) | about 6 months ago | (#46156525)

I'm in the same boat. I work great hours, have weekends off, great pay and no motivation to continue climbing anymore. I don't want to switch jobs because my current job of 5 years is comfortable and I still get new challenges all the time that keep me from getting bored.

I don't understand the problem. The only thing I see in your statement that can be construed as a negative is "no motivation to continue climbing anymore," and I frankly don't see the negative in that. If you are comfortable, well paid, and kept interested, then why would escaping the rat race be a bad thing?

Or are you just bragging about how awesome you have it?

Re:Golden handcuffs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46158445)

No, not complaining at all. Not bragging either, i just never thought that there would be a point that the quest for more money or more authority etc would no longer interest me. Im still paying my student loans and my days of scraping by making subs at the local subway is still a recent memory. Its that, the low wage jobs that made me work so hard to get a career and I thought I would continue to fight to make it to the top of the ladder, but I realized one day that being comfortable is ok. But there is always the worry that someday I will have to find a new job for whatever reason and potential employers will see that I stayed at the same job for ten or 15 years and think Im not driven to succeed.

Re:Golden handcuffs (4, Funny)

torsmo (1301691) | about 6 months ago | (#46170927)

never thought that there would be a point that the quest for more money or more authority etc would no longer interest me.

Ayn Rand is spinning in her grave.

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46172299)

As long as she's dead.

Re:Golden handcuffs (3, Informative)

mckwant (65143) | about 6 months ago | (#46163923)

Yeah, it's a little hard to explain. Dating myself, but it's David Byrne singing "Well, how did I get here?", except that most choices have been conscious and logical.

Example: I have a friend who recently got tenure in the southeast US. His wife has tenure at the same college. Both worked hard, and got the desired result. Fantastic, right? No adjunct nonsense, stable positions, and their lifestyle is pretty much as they designed it.

But: It's a smaller, third rate academic institution, and no interesting, let alone groundbreaking, work is in the future for either of them. Smaller, semi-rural town, maybe an hour from a mid-level city. Barring a massive (and extremely unlikely) job offer, neither is likely to leave.

Let's be clear: Nobody feels sorry for them. Considering the alternatives, it's a pretty good spot to land. Having said that, they're done professionally, and there's no outlet for the "gotta progress" mentality. They're in a "comfortable enough bubble," but they're also looking at 25-30 years of it.

And yes, it's very "first world problem."

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

markhb (11721) | about 6 months ago | (#46164647)

If the issue in their lives is that they have (or will) become boring and overly predictable, the traditional fixes are to either have children or open a restaurant on the side. Either one will consume most if not all of their available time and money, as well as solving the "boring and predictable" problem; one will probably make their respective parents happy as well.

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 6 months ago | (#46175535)

Maybe they aren't interested in restaurants*, and were hoping to make a real contribution to society with their careers. The problem is, they can't, not where they are. They're stuck in dead-end academic jobs where there's no really interesting or groundbreaking work going on, and that's not going to change at that institution. They could take a big risk and try landing a job at a higher-rated institution where more interesting work goes on, but that's a big risk, and if they lose they might not be able to get back to where they are now, which is comfortable.

I'm an engineer, and I see the same thing in my industry. The jobs where you do something really interesting and groundbreaking are rare; very few engineers get to work at NASA, Tesla Motors, Google, etc., on really great projects that really change the world somehow. Most get to work on bullshit projects that just get shit-canned by upper management. You can make a good living at this, but when you reach 65, you're going to look back on your life and realize you did absolutely nothing of value or importance, and your life was a complete waste as far as contributions to society. You probably would have made more of a contribution to society working as a factory worker somewhere, though you wouldn't have gotten paid as much or had as cushy a job.

*Restaurants are a terrible business venture BTW. The vast majority of them fail in the first few years, meaning you lose all your investment money.

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

xyzzymage (3415857) | about 6 months ago | (#46184473)

I know it's not unusual, but damn that's a bad reason to reproduce -- I've known too many kids &adults that (like me) were the product of couples that reproduced to fulfill an emotional wish that's not directly related to taking care of infants/kids/teens. Sometimes the adults managed to be good or even great parents, but most of them didn't, and more than a few reacted to the harsh reality by being abusive in some way. :-(

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

Grisstle (2798631) | about 6 months ago | (#46166141)

You said what I was trying to say, but you articulated it better. Thank you.

Re:Golden handcuffs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46186719)

Yeah, like tilling the fields is the better option. This is really an illusion of constraints. Who says that people can't be innovative after work if the position is a dead end 'proffessionally'. When we lose these jobs we will wonder where all that innovation escaped to.

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

Xylantiel (177496) | about 6 months ago | (#46190219)

they're done professionally

Um, now they can begin professionally. I certainly hope that they were trying to get tenure so that they could educate the next generation and improve the knowledge in their chosen field. Who gives a hoot where you live if somebody is paying you to improve worldwide knowledge?

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

Green Salad (705185) | about 6 months ago | (#46198395)

Mod parent up...please. This is the most relevant post I've read today! It's not so much insightful as it is at reversing the lack of insight.

Re:Golden handcuffs (2)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 6 months ago | (#46163795)

I was in a similar situation. I've recently started getting involved in an open source project, to prepare myself for a job I expect to start in a few months.

But you know what? I'm finding that working on that open-source project is putting a spring back in my step. Maybe you'd find the same?

One aspect I'm really enjoying is that the expertise I'm developing in the OSS project's code base will be useful beyond my current job. I've lately disliked investing neurons in the nuances code bases, where I know that knowledge will be useless the next time I change jobs. Having an outside-of-work OSS project sidesteps that dynamic. I think that's a big part of what I'm enjoying so much.

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

pijokela (462279) | about 6 months ago | (#46202791)

When you use the word climbing, do you mean getting in to management or somehow getting more difficult techical stuff?

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 6 months ago | (#46155689)

Sometimes I think about pursuing something more exciting or lucrative but stability wins out for me when it comes to paychecks.

Why not try to do things on the side, on your FREE time, to make some extra $$.

Try thinking of things you enjoy doing and try to monetize those...it might work out and you could then change to work for yourself.

You ain't gonna get rich these days, working for someone else....

Re:Golden handcuffs (4, Insightful)

Lotana (842533) | about 6 months ago | (#46158213)

That way lies burnout. Do something unrelated to work in your free time, lest you lose your passion.

I speak from experience :-(

Re:Golden handcuffs (0)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 6 months ago | (#46162295)

That way lies burnout. Do something unrelated to work in your free time, lest you lose your passion.

But I'm talking about working towards freeing yourself from your normal 'day job' working for someone else.

Nothing wrong with a bit of extra effort to succeed on your own, I'm not talking about working 2 jobs forever.

:)

Re:Golden handcuffs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46165857)

Second this. For "fun and profit" find a cash cow that isn't your work place, or even like it. Find one that you actually enjoy, pays a load of cash when it does, even if it does so without a guarantee of further work or frequency of further work. It's called consulting :)

Re:Golden handcuffs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46172559)

"I speak from experience :-("

AKA "even though my opinion is entirely based on anecdotal evidence which I'm not even going to fully describe, please take it as wisdom, because I'm older than you are".

Re:Golden handcuffs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46160851)

I feel a little trapped in my job. Pay is OK, hours are 9-5, and in my mid 40s I'm scared of trying something new that might turn into 60 hour weeks or go belly up.

I've been through enough pointless death marches and had enough employers go under. Sometimes I think about pursuing something more exciting or lucrative but stability wins out for me when it comes to paychecks.

As long as you're happy, that is what really matters. Stability doesn't mean shit if you're unhappy, and I feel for those who think money is everything in life. I'd hate to have my passion tied to a stock price.

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 6 months ago | (#46175583)

That sounds all nice and well, but if you give up your comfortable middle-class career to pursue some high-risk career change and it bombs, then you might be left broke and without health insurance. How are you going to raise your kids if you don't have a decent job because you pursued something more exciting?

Re:Golden handcuffs (1)

Krneki (1192201) | about 6 months ago | (#46173087)

So start some projects after your regular work.

The internet is vast and infinite!

Re:Golden handcuffs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46194801)

Ditto.

Missing option. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46151401)

I am the lost employee! Paid but forgotten!

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1992-05-05/

Educator here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46151489)

I work at a medium sized midwestern community college. My department has about 15 full timers. The first 5 years here, I was the junior employee! I'm now in my late 30s, and we've only got two employees less senior than me (and only one younger than me).

We're definitely stagnating a little bit: Mostly due to the financial crisis, which I think we're starting to see the effects of now: All the people who normally would have retired in a 6 or 7 year period just didn't. They're IRAs dropped so much, they decided to put it off a couple of years. But now, their starting to think about retiring again, so we're gettting a larger than usual crowd that will be leaving. Of the 15 I work with, probably 10 will retire in the next decade, most of those in the next 5 years....that's a lot of turnover!

Simultaneously, no one is really entering education...during our last round of hiring, most strong applications were seasoned educators looking for a new/different job (or to relocate). Our state has a pension plan for public employees, so there is some incentive for those nearing the end of their career to stay in the public sector to build up years of service. Additionally, our hiring salary schedule hasn't changed since I got hired, so the younger crowd (without years of experience, which moves up salary) aren't really getting offered decent money.

Community colleges have it tough: When times are good, we lose students because they have jobs and/or their parents can afford to send them away to the State U. When times are bad, we gain students, but tax revenues are decreasing so state funding goes down or at best remains stable.

Anyway, just some random thoughts...

Last one of us (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46151595)

I'm the IT guy that processes all the terms. Since they are all neophytes and are scared of computers, still. I'm safe until I choose to leave. Changing the servers admin passwords on the way out, of course.

Varying seniority over the years... (5, Interesting)

bziman (223162) | about 6 months ago | (#46151711)

At my first company, I was the sixth employee, and we grew to over a thousand. By the time I left after nearly ten years, all of the people who had been there before me, including the founders, had all gone, along with nearly half the rest. (When the founders bug out, that's a sign it's time to move on!)

At my second company, even though I was there for five years, it was a small company, and only a handful of old-timers left, and only a handful of new-comers arrived.

Now, I've been at a HUGE company for almost exactly one year, but I don't personally know anyone who has left the company in that time. Though I've heard about some ex-employees who have come back.

So glad you asked (2)

clarkn0va (807617) | about 6 months ago | (#46151733)

I just reported on this, so I have pretty good information on it. I am in my fifth year of service, as are 52 others here. With 486 total employees, that puts me somewhere between the 22nd and 33rd percentile for longevity.

Re: So glad you asked (1)

psiclops (1011105) | about 6 months ago | (#46161113)

Not when you consider that people with half your tenure generally equal roughly two of you when it comes to attrition/turnover rates

Error: term "outlasted" undefined at line 0 (2)

gman003 (1693318) | about 6 months ago | (#46151823)

I've got seniority (by duration of employment) over all but three of the people in the company, meaning I've "outlasted" about 70% of the company. However, only a few have ever been fired or left the company - one developer was quit-fired, one administrative assistant left for family reasons and maybe a quarter-dozen interns finished doing their time and found employment elsewhere (just as many interns found full employment with us - that's how I got in here).

So if "outlast" means "been at the company longer", I've outlasted everyone without a C-level title, and even one of those who have. But if it means "how many people have been fired before you", the answer is "not a lot".

Re:Error: term "outlasted" undefined at line 0 (1)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | about 6 months ago | (#46155977)

So few people get fired around at my job that I didn't even think of that possibility. It's a fairly laid back job, even if the pay isn't phenomenal it think it's a good deal. Some people leave for a higher-stress higher-pay environment, but I'm not too interested in something like that.

No real option for me (5, Insightful)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 6 months ago | (#46151859)

I selected that I'm unemployed, because it's the least wrong answer. The right answer is that I'm retired, but I can understand why that's not showing up on a Slashdot poll.

Re:No real option for me (1)

Cyfun (667564) | about 6 months ago | (#46156567)

I'd equate retirement more to being self-employed, as you do have financial stability, and probably have a pension or profits from investments. Plus, every single retired person I know either has a side-job or a profitable hobby.

Re:No real option for me (3, Insightful)

leonardluen (211265) | about 6 months ago | (#46158547)

it still applies, "Outlast" just has a slightly different meaning.

Re:No real option for me (1)

xyzzymage (3415857) | about 6 months ago | (#46184393)

Similar here -- I'm disabled and on SSI, which is closer to forced early retirement. "Unemployed" implies a deviation from the person's norm where they temporarily don't have a stable income.

I don't think that those two options should be left off, as there are more than a few people here on Slashdot that are in one or both situations, and we screw up polls by having to pick the 'wrong' options.

Most of my co-workers but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46152493)

...I got my layoff notice in December. I'm out the door at the end of June (hopefully sooner, if I can find something).

Golden handshake (5, Interesting)

hambone142 (2551854) | about 6 months ago | (#46152707)

After 35 years, they made me an offer I cauldn't refuse. Fourteen month'salary in to my 401k to retire. I did and have no regrets.

Re: Refused Gilded handshakes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46159895)

I've been at various parts of the large company I work for for about 35 years, in at least four different jobs (that's three moves or layoffs, plus a bunch of organizational change at each of them.) They've done a few rounds of golden handshakes in the past, but the more recent ones have been gilded plastic or maybe brass at best; not ones I could afford to take without some reasonable lead on another job (which is tough to find at my age.) I didn't really have enough years in to make the late-90s version worthwhile, and if I'd taken it I probably would have ended up at some exciting startup that would have evaporated six months and a deathmarch later. My wife worked on a few startups like that; at her last one she lasted through the first four rounds of layoffs before it was her turn.

Re:Golden handshake (1)

bidule (173941) | about 6 months ago | (#46162363)

they made me an offer I couldn't refuse. I died and have no regrets.

That'd what I read...

Current tenure (1)

mrhippo3 (2747859) | about 6 months ago | (#46152845)

On my last job at a software company, I had eight bosses in my five years of employment. This includes some double counting when I had the boss again after a few years of gap. While in tech, the average tenure of a boss was under nine months in a long career. I do not regret leaving software.
Yesterday was my eleven year anniversary at a smallish manufacturing plant, doubling my time spent at any software firm. I still do a lot of CAD and some design, but now also do more management. I also do the website, high-level sales, customer support, and whatever else the boss does not have the time for. I check slashdot, reddit, and overlawyered.com among others for IP related issues. Those CAD sketches are also real IP.

Probably should broaden my horizons... (5, Interesting)

Average (648) | about 6 months ago | (#46152861)

Let's just say... I picked up my 3-digit Slashdot ID on the same floor that I work right now (some department re-organizations later). And I still work with several people that predate me.

Sadly, inflation-adjusted, I also still make about what I did in the 1990s.

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46154015)

I am year 17 here... 0 passion left for this work.

I am updating my resume and will try different waters... Not that it will be better. Just different...

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (1)

J.J. Dane (1562629) | about 6 months ago | (#46188847)

15 years here...it's two hostile takeovers and subsequent company name changes later, but the seniority stays, happily..

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (1)

captainClassLoader (240591) | about 6 months ago | (#46154033)

I picked "Most of my Co-workers", even though that's not quite right, but it's how I think of it. The original company I started with in 1999 was acquired by another in 2003. And although there are 300+ people in the combined company, of the 50 or so people in the original company, it's down to me and one other guy left. In the original company there are probably about 10 - 20 folks with earlier hiring dates earlier than myself.

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46155663)

I picked "Most of my Co-workers", even though that's not quite right, but it's how I think of it. The original company I started with in 1999 was acquired by another in 2003. And although there are 300+ people in the combined company, of the 50 or so people in the original company, it's down to me and one other guy left. In the original company there are probably about 10 - 20 folks with earlier hiring dates earlier than myself.

At least your company got an exit.

I wasted 10+ years of my life on a startup that, while profitable enough to keep its head above water, never sold out. Founder took out enough money to care for his family, our replacements have no equity and don't really give a shit if the company ever makes money again, and the company is now a lifestyle business. The rest of us old farts got bored, disillusioned, frustrated, and eventually quit.

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (2)

Jon Abbott (723) | about 6 months ago | (#46158935)

I picked up my 3-digit Slashdot ID five jobs ago.

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46159939)

Pay at 90s levels AND it's kept up with inflation? Sounds like you're well off compared to the average American!

Industry wide. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46165091)

Sadly, inflation-adjusted, I also still make about what I did in the 1990s.

That's pretty much how it is in most of the country - kind of flies in the face of there being a "shortage" of skilled IT people, doesn't it. And around where I live, the pay is about what it was in the 90s; meaning after adjusting for inflation, we're being paid less. Of course, a lot of that was IBM and Lockheed canning people left and right and downsizing among the other companies in the area.

And many of the poor bastards who still have jobs are consistently working 50+ hour weeks to make up for the smaller work force.

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46170895)

Congratulations, if you stay in your current job for another month you might outlast Slashdot!

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (1)

Common Joe (2807741) | about 6 months ago | (#46171047)

Sad, but not uncommon. I discovered the same thing was basically happening to me and I job hopped some. I'm a little greener than you with only about 12 years of experience, but (adjusted for inflation), I was making about the same as when I started.

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46178411)

Let's just say... I picked up my 3-digit Slashdot ID on the same floor that I work right now (some department re-organizations later). And I still work with several people that predate me.

That's a rather roundabout way of saying you've been around since the Cretaceous, and some of your co-workers are velociraptors...

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46182901)

And I still work with several people that predate me.

I assume you mean "pre-date". That hyphen's pretty important.

Re:Probably should broaden my horizons... (1)

Average (648) | about 6 months ago | (#46183027)

It does sometimes feel like either one would work.

Alt answer: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46153823)

CowboyNeal

I'd say half of them. (1)

antdude (79039) | about 6 months ago | (#46153997)

Some left, laid off, and even a few died (recent one, who was a project manager (PM), was on Christmas 2013 day). :~(

Re:I'd say half of them. (1)

Gags (199956) | about 6 months ago | (#46163029)

Oh, that's awful losing a co-worker to death/illness.

Sorry to hear that antdude.

Re:I'd say half of them. (1)

antdude (79039) | about 6 months ago | (#46163807)

Thanks. Yeah, 2013 was rough for me. Too many deaths (outside of work too -- http://aqfl.net/node/10716 [aqfl.net] for the details).

Top 10% in longevity (1)

rgmoore (133276) | about 6 months ago | (#46154341)

I'll be getting my 20 year service award later in the year. I don't know where that puts me in the organization as a whole, but it's in the top 10% by longevity in my department.

Half? (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | about 6 months ago | (#46154733)

Really hard to say. I don't keep track of the employees in the company. I've been here a bit over 6 years. Many of the old timers seem to think I've been here longer. My co-Sr Unix admin has been here for 20 years.

This is the first job I've worked at where I've done the same thing for 6 years though. The previous job I worked on two different contracts. The one before that was for the Olympics in Greece. Before that I was at the Government Agency for 13 years but changed actual jobs 5 or 6 times (contractor).

[John]

Re:Half? (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 6 months ago | (#46159129)

Similar boat here. Six years in the same position. Outlasted every single manager/director, including an average of a new president every year. It's starting to getting too restrictive to work there. Golf shirts are out, button downs with a tie. They want me there at 8:00 instead of 10:00 flex. Web based punch clock instead of the honour system. No more overtime or lieu time. 37.5 hours a week instead of 40. They're turning it into a job!

Interesting curve (1)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about 6 months ago | (#46172513)

There seems to be a strong perception, I think, that you're still "fairly new" until one day something happens and you realise that you're the old hand. There's rarely a point where you feel about half way between the two.

Missing Option (1)

monk (1958) | about 6 months ago | (#46156309)

With 40+ engineers, we have no turnover at all. (One guy left a couple of years ago, but he's back). But then we live in a resort area, work in a recession-proof business, and are all semi-retired, old-farts.

Re:Missing Option (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46170703)

You got my attention. That's a lot of semi-retired engineers in a business. I'm having trouble imagining what you would be doing. Care to provide more details?

Re:Missing Option (1)

monk (1958) | about 6 months ago | (#46178113)

You got my attention. That's a lot of semi-retired engineers in a business. I'm having trouble imagining what you would be doing. Care to provide more details?

Embedded video systems. Mostly frame syncs, recorders, and converter boxes.

Missing Option (1)

Mr. Firewall (578517) | about 6 months ago | (#46156759)

I'm retired, you insensitive clod!

I'm a fixture... (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | about 6 months ago | (#46157285)

...Like the plumbing.

Re:I'm a fixture... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46158133)

Ahh, dude- too much shit is just passing you by :)

Speaking as another fixture I've outlasted two (and am likely to outlast the third) of three companies I have worked for in my 20 year career!

Re:I'm a fixture... (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 6 months ago | (#46169533)

shat on and then forgotten?

Employed, but unpaid! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46158107)

My small company had layoffs from 35 to 6, leaving 3 founders, a VP and a director and myself.

So, I outlasted the bunch, but haven't been paid in 6 months. Not sure if that's a win. It could be if we come out of it, but if not, hindsight will clearly indicate I should have made the other bet.

Re:Employed, but unpaid! (2)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 6 months ago | (#46164075)

My small company had layoffs from 35 to 6, leaving 3 founders, a VP and a director and myself.

This was pretty common in the dot-com boom. Dot-coms would have a lot of investor coin in the bank, but no revenue, so they'd do rounds of layoffs. They'd lay of half of their people, and that would buy them six months. Then six months later they'd lay off half again, buying another six months and so on, living off what was in the bank until eventually there was just a bunch of VPs staring at each other, along with the guy who knew how to keep the exchange server running.

Founder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46158199)

I'm a founder. We're in our 12th year.

2 layoffs... (1)

The RoboNerd (551256) | about 6 months ago | (#46158613)

and a merger plus a lot of management changes yet I've only been promoted once in a decade, and my last move was kind of a slant, not vertical nor horizontal. I'm looking to start my own business. Getting tired of new bosses changing everything just because they can.

Year 15 here (3, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 6 months ago | (#46159013)

I'm kind of a stick in the mud, though - I was at my previous job well over a decade. I do like my job overall, and while the pay is somewhat less than I'd make on the outside (I'm at a university), the benefits are definitely better than in the private sector.

I have interviewed elsewhere a few times, and have had a couple offers; but, as a middle aged guy with a family, stability and benefits end up trumping a better salary for me.

Re:Year 15 here (1)

NixieBunny (859050) | about 6 months ago | (#46159701)

I am in a similar situation, but only 12 years. The people above me are getting near retirement age, but lots of folks stick around until their seventies around here. I have a side business and work part-time, to keep the interest level up and reduce unreasonable demands on my time. And do volunteer work with high school kids, doing robotics. That's fun.

Poll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46159757)

We'll I have outlasted cowboy neal so I have that going for me

Year 16 here & Most of my coworkers (1)

twosat (1414337) | about 6 months ago | (#46159863)

I worked in a central city public library that was closed down after a major earthquake in our city. Several of our team have retired after 20+ years on the job, others moved overseas, or were transferred to suburban or temporary libraries. I am now one of the most experienced in our team after nearly 16 years in my position. In the meantime, several new staff members have been employed that I know little to nothing about. Once our new central library is built in about 2017, it's going to be a strange feeling when our team is re-formed again from the remnants of our original team and several other libraries.

Outlasting people is for beginners. (1)

Ihlosi (895663) | about 6 months ago | (#46159929)

Many of my coworkers have outlasted companies.

All of them. (1)

ctrl-alt-canc (977108) | about 6 months ago | (#46160081)

I am the outsourcing manager, you insensitive clod!

Re:All of them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46161007)

I was an outsourcing manager and now work where you die, everyone has been here an average of 30 years or more.

Another missing option (2)

codeButcher (223668) | about 6 months ago | (#46161497)

At my current workplace, I've outlasted my manager's patience.

I was the last of 2 (3, Interesting)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about 6 months ago | (#46163937)

At one job a while back, I got on a sinking ship just as it hit the iceberg. Somehow -- mostly by happening to be working on projects that would most be missed in the short term -- I survived 8 rounds of layoffs over a seven-year period. By the time the company's assets, technology (such as it was) and trademarks were bought out by a competitor, I was one of two left out of over 350 salaried and hourly employees in three locations. In the end, I personally ripped up the carpet we'd put down in the office, because the landlord didn't want it left after we moved out. They did give me a generous "stay till the bitter end" bonus, so I was okay with it.

When I tell the story, people compliment me for being such a valuable employee to get kept around through all that, and I have to admit to the fact I mentioned above: at each layoff, I just happened to be doing something that the management didn't want to scuttle because the current bets were on it. Pure chance. Somebody had to be the last guy to be let go, and that guy was me.

Either longest-lived or unemployed.... (1)

The123king (2395060) | about 6 months ago | (#46164115)

Being a CS student, most of my term-time is spent dossing around drinking beer and smoking. But when my loan runs out around summertime, i go home and do what i've been doing since i was 16, which is working as a dogsbody at my favorite watering-hole. So for most of the year, yes, i'm unemployed, but for the rest of it, i'm the longest lived employee in the place. I've worked under two managements, with the most recent being some long-time family friends. Though i say "recent"... They've just celebrated their 6 year anniversary of running the pub...

Fuuuuck. I'm 22 now, i should get a proper job :/

Hoping to outlive the canary (2)

MrScary (39957) | about 6 months ago | (#46164313)

I am a coal miner you insensitive clod

Are you sure you've thought this through? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46172525)

You know if the canary dies it's a bad thing?

Depends on how you measure. (1)

pavon (30274) | about 6 months ago | (#46164811)

If you consider just current employees, about half started before me and half after me. But if you consider everyone I have worked with at this job, probably close to 4/5 have since moved on to other jobs. Since most people here either stay all the way till retirement, or for just a few years, without much middle ground, the second measure will continue to grow much faster than the first.

Armchair Psychology... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46165259)

I'd expect to see something like a bell curve on the first 5 options, but the big gap on option number 3 suggests that people don't see themselves as "about half," instead preferring to be above or below the norm.

Outlived Former Department Coworkers... (1)

khr (708262) | about 6 months ago | (#46165727)

While the company is long out of business, I've outlived quite a few people from the department I worked in at the second job I had.

We had seven people, and five have died. Vehicular accidents and cancers...

If I had a tinfoil hat I'd suspect someone was bumping off those of us who read the white paper on our software's undocumented parameters. So I'd better watch myself.

Business owner. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46166027)

Run my own business for last 15 years. I guess I'm the oldest/longest lasting employee...

Peculiar story (1)

vikingpower (768921) | about 6 months ago | (#46166375)

I have been here for nine months. "Here" is the national R & D institute of Austria. I was the very first in the institute's long, loooong history to initiate a 100% FOSS project. It went wonderfully well - until some dinosaur of a manager felt insecure by my project's success and succeeded in getting me out of the door. March 31 will be my last day. And boy, am I happy - the bureacratic bullshit, the love for numb and mindless processes: 9 months were enough to make me yearn back for true industry environments. The pay was slightly under average market level, balanced by a certain freedom to do what you want. As long as you crouch before the boss and lick his soles.

Yes, I have learned a lot, in this short time.

No one has outlasted anybody (2)

Mascot (120795) | about 6 months ago | (#46167251)

At my current place of employment, no one has ever quit or been fired. Every hire is still here.

Nobody ever leaves (1)

willthiswork89 (2885827) | about 6 months ago | (#46167543)

Small business, 30 employees or so, we hire 2 a year and i'm on my 6th year, nobody ever leaves. Most people at the company have 10-15 years. Since the company has been founded. I'm about "half way" on the seniority line. It may have something to do with these metallic circular objects on our ankles attached to our computer chairs... not sure.

My first "corporate" job (1)

dave562 (969951) | about 6 months ago | (#46167915)

I have been doing IT for over 15 years, but my current job is my first corporate job. I define corporate as having a publicly traded stock.

I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised by how often middle and senior management gets fired around here. Having come out of the SME world where it seems like nobody ever gets let go, it is refreshing to see dead weight getting the axe. I never like to see people lose their jobs, but to be honest, there is not one person who I have seen leave in the company in my three years here who did not deserve it. 99% of them fired themselves through poor performance.

Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46168025)

Why isn't this poll about beta?

Where is "The Dinosaurs" option? (1)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | about 6 months ago | (#46169151)

insensitive poll-clod.

Beta (2)

Thanosius (3519547) | about 6 months ago | (#46170435)

I got replaced by Slashdot Beta. He took my position, and now he's going to take my wife and kids.

Slashdot Beta ruined my life!!! /sob

Re:Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46171255)

Beta killed my dog. :(

market research (1)

nadaou (535365) | about 6 months ago | (#46171011)

does it ever occur to you that your role in life is to provide market research to some corporate holding company by describing the demographic you best fit into?

or do you take a more active role, by answering incorrectly to poison the statistics?

I mean come on, at least entertain us with a CowboyNeal option.

Ten years; big shifts in my employer (1)

hiryuu (125210) | about 6 months ago | (#46171835)

I've been in this specific industry (a narrow niche area of specialty chemicals) for sixteen years now, and have been with my current employer for ten years. During my first few years here, the company's summer picnic included a guessing contest around the question of the average age of the employees working at HQ. At that time, it was an astounding 62 - many, many employees across most departments dated back to the earlier family-owned days of the company, and little hiring had been done in many years.

Several years later, with multiple corporate restructurings, internal mergers and reorganizations (we're on our fifth re-org in five years), remote site closures and consolidations, etc., we've seen waves of people leaving. Some have retired, some were fired or golden-parachuted out, and some refused to move to HQ when their office was closed but their function was still needed. (One fellow in R&D actually worked there until his death from cancer, at age 75.) There have been lots of new hires, many of them young adults not long out of school, with the result being that in less than a decade and still not yet forty I now find myself slightly past the middle in terms of seniority. The average age of an employee at HQ is now 35, which has made for a dramatic change in culture and attitude around the office. The people calling the shots are still all highly senior, with nearly every one of them a 30+ year employee or a member of their age group (hired away from elsewhere), so there's a fairly large disconnect between them and the rank-and-file. That, unfortunately, is leading to a lot of our issues in the marketplace the last year or so. :/

Fuck Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46172009)

Fuck Beta.

What about doing a poll on the Beta he?

Blowup their phones (figuratively), you know why. (1)

chris231989 (1182795) | about 6 months ago | (#46172041)

Dice Holdings Inc.
1040 Avenue of the Americas, 8th Floor
New York, NY 10018
T: 212-725-6550
F: 212-725-6559

Slashdot
594 Howard St Suite 300
San Francisco, CA 94105
Tel: +1-877-433-5638
www.slashdot.com

Outlasted :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46172159)

When I first read the poll I thought of something else.... Last year about 12 people who work in my building died (all of different causes, but all too young).

Outlasted indeed.

noobs (1)

MancunianMaskMan (701642) | about 6 months ago | (#46172165)

select
count(*), decode(sign(emp_id - 16562), 0, 'me', -1, 'past it', 1, 'noob')
from employees
where emp_status = 'A'
group by decode(sign(emp_id - 16562), 0, 'me', -1, 'past it', 1, 'noob')

more "noob" than "past it"'.

Telecommuter (1)

Old Aylesburian (2780221) | about 6 months ago | (#46172507)

I work from home, you insensitive clod!

Was hire #93, currently have ~1800 employees (1)

mpercy (1085347) | about 6 months ago | (#46173143)

Am currently the 14th longest-serving employee, having recently entered 22nd year. Many of my colleagues are also 15+ year employees--our company seems to inspire this in an industry with a lot of job-hopping. Excepting a bad project or two and the odd negative employee (who are no longer here) I've been happy to work here and feel respected and well-compensated.

Outsourced by Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46174095)

I did have a great job but thanks to Beta (FUCK BETA!!) my family now lives under a bridge down town. I hope Dice listens and my continued use of Slashdot outlives the bad idea that Beta is.

Missing option: Fuck BETA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46175173)

just saying

for good or ill? (1)

tverbeek (457094) | about 6 months ago | (#46176219)

A good follow-up question would be whether this makes you happy or sad.

Frankly, the jobs where I "lasted" the most time were some of the ones I enjoyed the least.

The dance (1)

sckeener (137243) | about 6 months ago | (#46176307)

The Dance is getting harder and harder. Got to keep up with skills, but one has to balance it with life. I find it harder and harder as I get older. Life keeps aiming at derailing work. They might be good or bad events...but they are still distractions from improving work. That said...I will take all the distractions my 20 month old can toss my way.

All gone but me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46176667)

All my long-term management gone. My staff gone with the last contract. It's me and many fairly new staff. Difficult times....

Longer then Fucking BETA (1)

cfulton (543949) | about 6 months ago | (#46177875)

Poll THIS.

Does 34 years in IT with the same outfit count? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46181537)

would have stayed longer but was golden handshook to early retirement.....

details count (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46181743)

if most of the people i've outlasted left specifically because they didn't want to work with me, can i count them or not?

poorly worded (1)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | about 6 months ago | (#46184599)

So I start work and a month later someone that has been there 10 years leaves. Did I out last them? Or do I only out last them if they started at the same time or later and leave before me?

These polls fucking suck (1)

Powercntrl (458442) | about 6 months ago | (#46184913)

Oh, how I long for the days when the poll would be something Monty Python-esque or just completely absurd, like:

What's the best condiment?

Mayo
Mustard
Ketchup
Vinegar
Hot Sauce
Worcestershire Sauce
Cowboyneal's Secret Sauce

Re:These polls fucking suck (1)

deadboy2000 (739605) | about 6 months ago | (#46195959)

This isn't a poll, it's market-data gathering spam from Dice.com.

What's a cow erker? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46186425)

I have seen a few erked cows in my paddocks. ...

Were are the temp employee questions? (1)

scribble73 (879745) | about 6 months ago | (#46186771)

This is not a well-constructed quiz. The problem, is that the poll doesn't recognize temporary employees.

Normally, I wouldn't bother commenting. It's a quiz, and who cares about temp employees, anyway?

... but this is an example of a significant blindspot for Slashdot employees. Apparently, you guys don't realize that companies like Google, Apple, Cisco, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo, Oracle (and others) hire a significant portion of temp employees to do their real day to day work. They hire only the few people they need, to supervise the temps they retain. Temporary employees have larger, and very different problems than this quiz implies.

Is this important to SlashDot? I'd say so. I think you should have a feature every day, that reports on something involving temporary workers. There are a Hell of a lot of us.

Current, meh, but previous... (2)

griffjon (14945) | about 6 months ago | (#46190305)

At my previous place of employment, I had trouble writing out my "goodbye" letter to the team remaining, as most of the good stories involved people who not only weren't there, but no one left even knew them.

That might be a sign, btw, for any managerial types, to worry about your staff turnover. Just sayin.

Today was my last day, you insensitive clod! (1)

theedgeofoblivious (2474916) | about 6 months ago | (#46191329)

No, really, it was. And I'm a little weirded out by the timing of this poll.

Outlasting (0)

FUCK BETA, FUCK DICE (3529333) | about 6 months ago | (#46192033)

We will outlast the FUCKING BETA.

Depends on how you count. (1)

tirerim (1108567) | about 6 months ago | (#46193169)

I became a regular employee of the company I work for just this week, making me the newest in one sense.

I've been contracting for them since 2009, which would put me in the middle of the pack.

I started working for the company that merged into this one way back in 2003, and I'm the only one who used to work for that company still left, as well as having been at one or the other longer than most employees of the current company.

The ultimate self-employment (1)

msobkow (48369) | about 6 months ago | (#46193339)

Retirement.

I no longer have to care.

Missing option (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46194347)

Where's the BETA option?

Dice Employment Survey? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46195943)

Trying not to be cynical here, but in the context of all the "beta sucks, Dice is evil" sentiment here lately doesn't this "poll" sound a lot like market-data gathering spam for Dice.com?

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