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Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redhat (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:5, Funny)
damn cowboy.
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:5, Funny)
damn you;
from (here to eternity) {
just what are you;
implying;
}
you know not {
that of which you {
speak;
}
}
Thankyou && goodnight;
}
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:5, Funny)
blah.c:2: parse error before `{' token
blah.c:4: `here' was not declared in this scope
blah.c:4: parse error before `eternity'
blah.c:4: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `from' with no type
blah.c: In function `int from(...)':
blah.c:5: `just' undeclared (first use this function)
blah.c:5: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.)
blah.c:5: parse error before `are'
blah.c:6: `implying' undeclared (first use this function)
blah.c: At global scope:
blah.c:8: parse error before `!' token
blah.c:13: syntax error before `&&' token
blah.c:14:2: warning: no newline at end of file
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:4, Insightful)
blah.c:14:2: warning: no newline at end of file
This was your mistake, not his.
</nitpick>
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:4, Informative)
Die, K&R-indenter!
(Gah, it's not even that, is it? He indented his close-braces, for God's sake! Eeeeeewwwww!)
Brace/indent-style [catb.org] zealots are either the best or the worst, depending on whether the style they're advocating is, respectively, Allman Style or (shudder) K&R/1TBS.
Hence, I voted for "Brace style", in order to stand up for my preferred form of zealotry. But, upon examining my feelings after seeing the scores, I now see that there's an even better kind: Zealotry Zealots, i.e., the kind of people that would come to this thread and argue over which kind of zealot is more zealous.
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:5, Funny)
Agnes, Denise, Paula and Gary.... (Score:5, Funny)
Forget the distro wars...
The *most* zealous zealouts are Amiga zealouts. Let's face it, it was a great machine, ahead of its time. It could do all sorts of really cool things, like handle two display resolutions on the same monitor at once. And its OS was very Unix-ish before Unix was fashionable.
But the machine is deader than... than... [trying to come up with a good one]... than... than Bill Gates in bed!
And I *still* know people who refuse to move on. Hell, one person I know named his kids Agnes, Denise, Paula and Gary. He keeps on feeding Agnes too much, hoping for that big ChipRAM upgrade.
Re:Agnes, Denise, Paula and Gary.... (Score:4, Funny)
I suggest you all go hit google for such classics as him (rather cluelessly) arguing about PowerPC design bottlenecks...
*beat*
With one of the PowerPC designers from Motorola.
as they say over on SA, it was COMEDY GOLD
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:3)
And where's Slackware? Think those are the only distros on earth worth mentioning hey?
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:5, Funny)
I know somebody who was on the verge of tears when I let him know that to watch Matrix you have to start Xine, and for that you need X.
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:5, Informative)
What exactly does that mean? Accelerated stuff in video cards usually means that some operation such as, for example, interpolation (for scaling), is handled by the video card instead of the CPU. That's pretty much the biggest thing that mplayer uses, and not much else.
vesa is a monitor standard; it is not accelerated at all - i.e. there are no steps that are handled by the video card that would have been handled by the cpu.
The thing that it is is direct - it uses the card directly instead of having to go through layers.
This does not, however, make it accelerated any more than vesafb is accelerated.
Re:Freebsd vs Mandrake vs Debian vs Gentoo vs Redh (Score:4, Funny)
I know somebody who was on the verge of tears when I let him know that to watch Matrix you have to start Xine, and for that you need X.
you don't, actually. run aaxine [fifi.org]. nothing like watching the matrix with the funky katana characters on... uhm... a terminal... emulating the katanas with other characters and... uhm...
nevermind ;)
Most zealous what??? (Score:5, Funny)
The Most Zealous (Score:5, Funny)
I notice you left the definite article 'The' off the beginning of your sentence. I'm sure the grammer/spelling/punctuation zealots will let it slide, but you never know, forces are probably being marshalled at the moment of this writing.
Apple vs. Anti-Microsoft (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Apple vs. Anti-Microsoft (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Apple vs. Anti-Microsoft (Score:5, Funny)
You can run boy, but you can't hide. I'm going to hunt you down and rip your still-beating heart out for that!
Re:Apple vs. Anti-Microsoft (Score:5, Funny)
MS *Users* are the Anti-Microsoft Zealots! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:MS *Users* are the Anti-Microsoft Zealots! (Score:5, Insightful)
To be honest, it's a bit sad when people think Microsoft makes the hands-down best sofware in the world because they really haven't seen what truly is good software.
I'm not saying this (honestly) just to be anti-Microsoft, I actually use MS stuff and it's not awful, I just cringe when people push it on me like it's the way, the truth, and the light. ;)
Re:MS *Users* are the Anti-Microsoft Zealots! (Score:4, Funny)
Minesweeper Champion & Solitare Expert.
What about Pro-Microsoft Zealots?! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What about Pro-Microsoft Zealots?! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What about Pro-Microsoft Zealots?! (Score:5, Insightful)
While the Apple, Linux, and Open Source zealots will (typically) use some sort of logic to form their arguements a disturbing number of pro-microsoft zealots just drop a line to say
"***** sucks, get windows"
"windows is more compatible than *******"
"***** is too hard to use" or "***** is too different"
For not letting brains get in the way of communication and for being most religious in their zeal I'd give the award to pro-Microsoft zealots.
Not that I'm complaining about poll options or anything...;)
Re:What about Pro-Microsoft Zealots?! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What about Pro-Microsoft Zealots?! (Score:5, Interesting)
A great example is this guy [slashdot.org] who called me a mindless zealot just because I defended an Australian lecturer who likes LINUX from being called self contridictory and closed minded.
I have nothing against zealotry, life without passion is worthless, but I think that the some of the microsoft loving community should wake up to the fact that they are pushing a barrow as much as me, or your average disagreeable BSD core developer and they should stop disregard my opinions just because my passion lies in optimism and active software development instead of nehilistic complacency and acceptance of the status quo (damn, that made me sound like a a wannabe rebel without a cause or something).
Re:What about Pro-Microsoft Zealots?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Here is how it usually goes:
NetWare shops - "We don't care what you put in here, but we use NDS and DirXML to manage it all".
Apple Shops - "Whatever dude, just make the thing work, and we don't want to EVER worry about it.
*nix shops - "Do what you have to, but I better not have to buy a new pair of shoes, just from walking over and rebooting the thing, Oh yeah, can I SSH to it?"
Microsoft Shops - "If you add anything that isn't from Microsoft we will need to hire more people! We won't support it, and you are on your own! You do realize that what you want is actually MORE expensive than just using Microsoft! I know because it says so in this Micros.... errrrr Netcraf..... errrrr Gartner report"
I am not trying to say EVERY Microsoft person is that way, just that there are more than enough to warrent a place in this poll.
zealot vs. fanatic (Score:5, Funny)
A: A zealot can't change his mind. A fanatic can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
~ Winston Churchill
I'm not a zealot! (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, and Cowboyneal.
Re:I'm not a zealot! (Score:3, Funny)
Star Craft / Protoss Zealots (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Star Craft / Protoss Zealots (Score:3)
Two bunkers, a tank, a missile tower, and a really busy SCV, and you can hold out against just about anything this side of a Guardian rush while you complete your third keyfull of Battlecruisers.
Nukes are for candy-waist pansy-asses.
~ Soop
Re:Star Craft / Protoss Zealots (Score:4, Funny)
What on earth are you talking about? (Score:5, Funny)
how about Starcraft addicted Zealots (Score:5, Funny)
Before he started the game he was a blackbelt in atleast one martial art (he is korean).
Missing option... (Score:4, Funny)
Also known as "All of the above".
religious zealots (Score:5, Funny)
haha, just kidding. vi rules.
Apple Zealots, no contest. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Apple Zealots, no contest. (Score:3, Funny)
Warning: The above link requires the HumourExtension. Not available for Windows.
Re:Apple Zealots, no contest. (Score:4, Funny)
Warning: The above link requires the HumourExtension. Not available for Windows.
And the quicktime extension, not available for Linux.
Re:Apple Zealots, no contest. (Score:5, Interesting)
Taunter:"Haha Macs sux they have only one mouse button!"
Apple Zealot:"Yeah, okay lets just plug in this 3 button mouse as an experiment and.... WHOA! Look at that all 3 buttons work and you even have a middle mouse button paste! Hey can you do that on windows?"
on the other hand
Taunter:"Haha Linux has the worst UI ever!"
OS Zealot:"Well it does have a long way to go in intuitivness true but it does have the advantage of being highly customizable and highly efficient when you leave to use it. The only major problem is you still have to resort to the command line for most major tasks buts that's mostly the nature of the software."
I mean it's so much more fun to be a zealot when people are actively and ignorantly against you, as for anti-M$ it's not as fun because it's almost impossible to find anyone who will admit to being pro-M$ and have good points.
Taunter:"Haha you hate Miscrosoft, they're so awesome and big and... hold on my computer is doing something funny and I got to close a couple dozen popups."
Anti-M$ Zealot:"Umm yeah it might have to do with that big blue gorilla and that funny looking 'e' on your desktop, here I know how to get rid of the spyware that's screwing up your system and I got a really cool browser that will get rid of all those popups too."
I mean one of my favorite memories of being an Apple zealot was a rabidly anti-Mac teacher. One day when I was reading The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and found out he really liked Adams as well. I promptly showed him the spot where Adams thanked his Mac and was soon chasing him around the school to prevent him from destroying the evidence. Ahh good times
Re:Apple Zealots, no contest. (Score:3, Funny)
Yes, but how do you use your secondary weapon mode on Counterstrike while ducking? The second mouse button and the wheel and it's button all add functionality while your hand is otherwise busy on the mouse.
Re:Apple Zealots, no contest. (Score:4, Insightful)
> multiple-button mice?
Apple supports them better than Microsoft does, actually. MS has
great support for up to two buttons and a scroll wheel, but beyond
that any extras are worthless in most applications. Many apps on
the Mac will happily use a middle button (for things like panning,
repositioning, and so forth, usually).
The only major GUI with (arguably) better multibutton mouse support
than Apple is X.
Cowboy Zealots... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cowboy Zealots... (Score:5, Funny)
It could have been a chance for two CowboyNeal options, both of which would have been relevant!
No imagination some people, tcha!
Stephen
Grammar? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Grammar? (Score:5, Funny)
:-)
frob
This is more pervasive than you think (Score:5, Insightful)
I never thought i would old enough to say this (literally and figuratively) but 'whats wrong with these kids today?' Being raised on AIM and SMS (and shitty public schools) has turned an entire generation into unintelligable fools. I've now seen a number of national newspaper stories detailing some of the shit kids are trying to pass in schools, but no stories saying what we shoud do about it. Somewhere else in this thread someone states that in their IRC rooms people would be kicked out iF th3y B tty like DiS. Well sorry but thats a room for programmers with a college education. In _the rest_ of IRC / AOL / ICQ / MSN kids have carte blanche to speak like this and do so. Typing with my younger cousins (10 - 17, while I am 24) they actually make fun of me for using correct grammar and punctuation.
So is this worse than ebonics? or redneck slang? In my opinion "ldi0t sp34k" (for lack of a better term) is a huge crisis waiting in the wings. Through parents who dont monitor or teach their kids, spell checking, terrible public schools and the pervasive use of SMS / AIM we are raising a computer literate, book illiterate generation.
I dont have the answers either but this is a thread that really caught my eye. If the world thinks Americans are ignorant now wait until they meet Generation Y/Z.
SCO zealots (Score:4, Funny)
Obviously free software zealots (Score:4, Funny)
Mac users (Score:5, Funny)
I Mean... all things considered I made a logical choice that Apple suits my need.
...and Steve Jobs is the overlord! Damn! Slipped again!
I meant to say that.... um, well, ....
LONG LIVE APPLE! (Ya gotta be what ya gotta be!)
Besides, we're not zealots, we're elitists! D'uh!
Re:Mac users (Score:5, Funny)
Easy way to find out (Score:5, Funny)
P.S.
For the record, I voted Apple. Apple fanboys seem to be happy to revel in the stomach churnings of Steve Jobs like he's the next coming of Christ.
Re:Easy way to find out (Score:3, Funny)
> churnings of Steve Jobs like he's the next coming of Christ.
Been there, done that, got the book [amazon.com]
From a student's perspective.... (Score:4, Insightful)
At least I only get attacked by anti-Microsoft and Open Source zealots in the Computer Science building and associated newsgroups. Outside these confines I am routinely set upon by all of the above.
Missing choices (Score:4, Funny)
1. Amiga Zealots
2. Team OS/2 Zealots
And if we allow ourselves to stray from computing:
3. Fundie Christian Zealots
4. Islamic Zealots (with bomb belts, even the Amigans don't use those yet)
5. Political Zealots
Re:Missing choices (Score:3, Funny)
What about AZ (acronym zealots)?
Re:Missing choices (Score:4, Funny)
These are, bar non, possibly the only group that approaches the suicidal fervor of say, al Quita or Hammas.
Feminist Vegans (Score:5, Interesting)
I wish I had thought to bring a ham sandwich to that talk...
Re:Feminist Vegans (Score:4, Insightful)
Yet I'm still gonna eat sausages for my dinner tonight...
Re:Feminist Vegans (Score:5, Insightful)
Ah, that wouldn't happen to be the good Carol J. Adams [caroljadams.com], would it? She's written an entire book [amazon.com] on that topic, and with that title. I haven't read it, mind you, but having delved into that kind of ivory tower feminism a couple of times before I feel safe to assume that I value her arguments about as highly as you do.
Which brings me to my point. Some of the most zealous zealots there in existence usually belong to one of two groups:
1) conspiracy theorists
2) pseudo science promoters
The kind of radical feminazism Carol J. Adams offers makes it clear that she belongs to both of those categories, and is thus a prime candidate for the rather unenviable title of most zealous zealot. It is sad that feminism has strayed so much from what it should be about into the crystal gazing twilight zone of hateful fringe PoMo. Simone de Beavoir would turn in her grave, and rightly so.
I myself would like to nominate Le Doeuff, another "original feminist thinker." I once had the doubtful pleasure of reading one of her essays for a class in feminist epistemology in which she argued that philosophy (her own discipline!) existed for the sole purpose of exluding women. All grand problems - the mind-body problem, the a priori, the challenge of skepticism, the freedom of the will etc. etc. - were but pseudoproblems designed to be especially difficult for women to tackle, so that men could have a nice club of their own and spend all day doing other things. Like, uhm, excluding women.
This is what I go to college for? Anti-MS zealots are a rabid lot, no doubt, but compared to the likes of Le Doeuff and Adams they appear rather civilized. So, hats off to the people who turned an important discipline into a embarrassing nonsensical circus in less than 50 years.
Re:Zealotry being based on faith (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't be silly. In the first place, not all pro-lifers are Christians. Heck, not even all those who call themselves "Christians" are pro-life (these people are obviously conflicted). In the second place, they don't use "pseudo scientific data". In the third place, you say this as though appeals to authority are somehow intrinsically illegitimate, but that is absurd - unless you care to take upon yourself the burden of demonstrating the validity of literally every observation that you make, of course.
The only rational approach to the "problem" (as if there is one) is to declare that human life begins at conception. Any other course of action is fraught with both arbitrariness and inconsistency and leads inexorably to one slippery slope or another. The "arguments" (snicker) made by members of the pro-death camp wouldn't convince an honest grape, or else they are so chillingly monstrous that the people making them become indistinguishable from the worst mass murderers in history. Because they either make idiotic arguments as to when a baby becomes human or a "person" that are utterly vacuous, or else they declare that there's really no problem with murdering babies in the womb even if they *are* people. In effect, this bunch declares that they themselves are competent to decide which lives are worth living and which lives are worth not living.
Re:Feminist Vegans (Score:5, Funny)
How zealous am I? (Score:5, Funny)
Or else.
Dumb (Score:5, Funny)
Stupid Microsoft. Microsoft should release IE under an open source licence. Not shared source, but real free software. Then I could edit it in emacs on my mac to make it conform to standards. While I am at it I'll be sure to patch the bracing style.
Web standards zealot - check
Open source zealot - check
Free Software zealot -check
Anti-Microsoft zealot -check
Brace style zealot - check
Emacs zealot - check
Apple zealot - check
Cowboy zealots - Doh!
Obligatory Simsons reference - check
</karma>
Multi Anti-MS Options (Score:5, Insightful)
See, almost all of these are really votes for Anti-MS Zealots.
Any horribly inflammitory statements above were mostly humor based on facts. Just in case you missed that. Stop taking yourself so seriously all the time. It can cause bowel obstructions and what not.
Re:Multi Anti-MS Options (Score:5, Funny)
You forgot one (Score:3, Funny)
Not Zealous Enough (Score:5, Funny)
It's a little like tea-totaling, but only when we're drunk.
Missing option! (Score:5, Funny)
You left out "poll option zealots".
Pro-Microsoft (Score:5, Interesting)
Amiga Zealots (Score:5, Funny)
On the other hand, if we are talking about the average zealousness of any given bunch of zealots, I think I would cast my vote for Amiga Zealots. A dying breed they may be, but the ones which are still left -- damn, that's tenacious! You Apple and Anti-Microsoft zealots have got real live targets to be zealous about. The Amiga Zealots have maintained their zeal for about a decade without any significant signs of life in the technology. A truly impressive feat of fanaticism.
Regards,
TFBW
(Reformed Amiga Zealot, who will part with his collection of Amigas one of these days.)
Lord yes. (Score:5, Informative)
And I say that as a guy who owned 3 Amigas....
PC Zealots (Score:5, Insightful)
Where are the "Signal Integrity Zealots"? (Score:3, Insightful)
In case you don't know, a person responsible for "Signal Integrity" is charged with reviewing hardware designs to make sure that no technology standards are violated. Their areas of control range from the design, bill of material, PCB layout of a product and device driver operation.
When they do their job right, they just sit back and watch you defend your design. Particularly cruel ones will spend hours with you explaining the intricacies of interfacing GTL to HTTL and why you were stupid for even thinking that it was possible.
They have their place and can be useful in some circumstances, but for the most part, they are anal, bitter and twisted trolls who's only enjoyment in life is humiliating young engineers in front of their supervisors.
myke
What's to be zelous about with brace styles? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What's to be zelous about with brace styles? (Score:5, Funny)
Finally! Someone found the SCO code that got into the kernel! Nice going!
Soko
Cowboy Zealots (Score:4, Funny)
Having been to a school with a real ag program as well as computer program, the cowboys have it hands down.
What about language zealots? (Score:4, Insightful)
Missing option (Score:4, Funny)
Missing poll option... (Score:4, Funny)
er no, wait a minute... oh bugger!
Web standards zealots (Score:4, Funny)
Definition: zealot = passion - reason (Score:4, Interesting)
Anti-American Zealots... (Score:5, Insightful)
However, to insult the American people as a whole is like calling Germans Nazi's, it is just stupid.
Now let the flames begin. Thank You
A proud American Linux Zealot typing this on an Apple Macintosh...
Re:Anti-American Zealots... (Score:5, Funny)
Fucking Anti-Pro-American Zealots.
Go and sit on the other side of the ampitheatre.
Re:Anti-American Zealots... (Score:5, Funny)
What!? Next you'll be saying that women, children, and the poor deserve medical care too. Blasphemy!
The point is (Score:5, Insightful)
The pro M$ zealots are not only hard core, they are dangerous in their ignorance.
Which zealots are not?
Re:The point is (Score:5, Funny)
The ones you agree with, of course!
RC
Re:AntiBush Zealots (Score:4, Insightful)
As for getting a liberal into (Presidential) office? in the U.S.? within the next 12 years? Hell is far likelier to get an NHL franchise. The 9/11 angst just runs too deep (not necessarily among the Young SlashDot Tech Elite, but among the people in those other 42 states who actually vote...) and that's going to take almost a generation to re-set.
Missing Poll Option: Wahabi Zealots
Re:Braces Coding Standard (Score:5, Interesting)
if (SayHello) {
printf("Hello World!\n");
}
Opening brace aside, I find it easier to scan visually through the source -- notably the more hairy sections -- and see the close brace match vertically with the conditional keyword that opened it (but oddly, the open brace on its own line seems wasteful). This is an entirely personal decision based on what works, functionally, for me looking through code. Odds are a majority of people here disagree with me for similar reasons. Poll the developers who'll be writing the code, see if there's any concensus, and use that. If not, well, play a round of bingo and let the winner decide. Trolling this question into slashdot won't get you too far.
Re:eMacs (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Amiga - departed but not forgoten (Score:3, Funny)
DG