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2600 Staffer Arrested During Republican Convention

CmdrTaco posted more than 14 years ago | from the anyone-watch-the-daily-show-last-week? dept.

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Salsaman writes " 2600 has just posted this article about how one of their staff members (ShapeShifter) has been arrested in Philadelphia during the Republican convention. According to 2600 he was 'arrested while walking down a street talking on a phone.'" There's a ton of information there on the protests and folks being arrested and mistreated. Of course there were extremists who deserved it, but a lot of folks were protesting peacefully. (This has no relevance, but I'm abusing Slashdot to say that I think Bush is a rotten candidate, and while I don't like Gore, I would vote for a inanimate carbon rod for president before I would vote for GWB).

Addendum: I find it amusing that people are so pissed about me using Slashdot to editorialize my opinions. I've been doing this for 3 years, why would I stop now? If you want unbiased news, read the mainstream press... look how honest and unbiased their coverage is! We're humans here, with actual opinions and everything. Besides, if I don't get to soapbox once in awhile, wouldn't Slashdot be boring?

I find it amusing that I've recieved pretty much equal mail from democrats (Rah rah! Way to state the case!) and republicans (I will no longer read Slashdot because I don't think you should be allowed to have opinions and obviously your opinions are stupid. And you are stupid too. And I hate you). Both missed the point: I don't like either party (I don't even like parties). But I really detest Bush. And since this is America, I can say that! And you can disagree! Hooray!

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Abusing slashdot to push your political agenda? (1)

Johnzilla (50613) | more than 14 years ago | (#875674)

While I agree with you about Bush, I can't help but feel that there's something wrong with this...

Come on Democratic Convention... (1)

ethereal (13958) | more than 14 years ago | (#875675)

...maybe they'll show footage of the Rod!

Heee Hee, (1)

The Iconoclast (24795) | more than 14 years ago | (#875677)

Isn't great when you have your own website so you can editorialize like this:

This has no relevance, but I'm abusing Slashdot to say that I think Bush is a rotten candidate, and while I don't like Gore, I would vote for a malignant carbon rod for president before I would vote for GWB).

Of course, this is completely CT's perogative (plus I agree with him.) :-)

A wealthy eccentric who marches to the beat of a different drum. But you may call me "Noodle Noggin."

Vote Libertarian! (3)

Dr. Sp0ng (24354) | more than 14 years ago | (#875678)

The Libertarian candidate, Harry Browne, is much better than any of the other candidates this year. He views things with an open mind and seems to agree almost completely with me and most people I know on the issues. Of course, he is in favor of legalizing drugs, which I'm biased towards, but in general he seems to be a much more worthy candidate. He's obviously not going to win, but I'd rather give him my support than anybody else.

There was a big writeup about him on Smokedot [smokedot.org] a few weeks back: http://smokedot.org/article.pl? sid=00/07/26/0014226 [smokedot.org] .
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this is turning into WTO all over again. (5)

wrenling (99679) | more than 14 years ago | (#875679)

I dont have the link, but there was an article on Salon.com [salon.com] about the protesters who were being held more than 48 hours without a phone call allowed, most of them had not been fed, and half of the cell blocks had the water turned off, so they could not use the toilets. One of the 'protestors' arrested was a jogger who happened to get caught in the crowd.

Something changed in America after the WTO riots. Somehow the police think they have carte blanche to treat citizens like animals for utilizing their right of free assembly and free speech. I can't see the difference between how China is treating members of the Falun Gong and whats happening in Philadelphia (and what did happen) in Seattle.

We argue and fight for our online rights, but those online rights wont mean anything if we cant use those same rights in public, in the 'real' world.

News for Nerds??? Stuff that matters??? More like. (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 14 years ago | (#875681)

More like...post whatever will generate a lot ok pageviews. What happend to the old Slashdot???

Re:bad journalism (1)

Ig0r (154739) | more than 14 years ago | (#875935)

Slashdot isn't a 'news network', it's HIS SITE!

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Re:bad journalism (1)

Zelphyr (130474) | more than 14 years ago | (#875936)

Regardless of what GWB is or is not, kugano is absolutely correct. This is NOT the place for CmdrTaco to be venting his personal political opinions. If the editors of /. want to do that then they should set up an editorial section where it is understood that the content therein is biased and should be taken as such. CmdrTaco, I find /. to be a wonderful news source but I think you should submit a retraction of your opinions and in the future, post them in a more proper place.

Re:bad journalism not! Slashdot more like oped (2)

Paleolithic (148678) | more than 14 years ago | (#875937)

What are you talking about? Slashdot is more like the editorial and oped (letters to the editor) section of a newspaper then actual news. Sure, news is often the basis posts but most of the posts have at least an implicit bias.

The key to dealing with bias is to make your own decisions. If you don't agree with a bias then post your disagreement with an explicit or an implicit bias. But I don't think it is useful to oppose bias itself.

Re:I don't know about ALL drugs, but... (2)

Dr. Sp0ng (24354) | more than 14 years ago | (#875938)

The government has no right to interfere with people's personal freedom as it is currently doing. Smoking marijuana only has the potential to hurt the health of the user. An individual should have the right to choose to use it.

That's why I want all drugs legalized - I don't like how the government can tell me what I can and can't put into my own body. It should be the choice of consenting adults. I don't care about being able to get fucked up legally - I'm careful enough about it that there's a very low chance I'm going to get busted, since I never smoke pot anywhere but my own living room.

This is why driving while stoned should remain illegal.

I think so too, but you may actually be less likely to get into an accident if you drive stoned as compared to sober, because you tend to drive more slowly and cautiously: Obligatory Smokedot story about this [smokedot.org] :-)
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trollin' on a sunday morning (1)

juuri (7678) | more than 14 years ago | (#875939)

My dear dear son... Bush isn't the one who convicted them of the crime. He isn't even the one who will pull the switch. The way the Happy-Go-Luck death system is set up he is merely the one who can grant a repreieve in cases where there may be significant doubt about the case. This isn't innocent until proven guilty, this is the other way around.

Besides 15 minutes for Bush is a long time! That must be 20 or 30 pictures he has to look at to understand whats going on.

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Bush Family Morons (1)

bangman (140200) | more than 14 years ago | (#875940)

The whole family of Bush are a bunch of morons. They can't get above a "C" average in anything! Just listening to that idiot makes me nauseous. You could pick 50% of the high school kids in America and they'd be more intelligent than this clown. And that's saying nothing for the lack of sack that his father had. Leaving Hussein in power in Iraq when we could have gone in there and cleaned up everything is a Bush legacy of failure. Like father like son for these two mental homunculae.

Good Point (1)

IAmATuringMachine! (62994) | more than 14 years ago | (#875943)

I suppose that it is my own sloth that leads me to sites like slashdot and geeknews to garner my daily water cooler conversation material. I suppose than I just have a problem with the slashdot motto... maybe it should be "News for nerds... Stuff that Matters (to us)." Oh well, I am calm now :)

Re:bad journalism (1)

Zelphyr (130474) | more than 14 years ago | (#875950)

I disagree. First, /. is owned not by CmdrTaco but by Andover and VA Linux Systems. Granted he has full editorial control over /. and IMNSHO that is as it should be. He's done an outstanding job to date.

Second, /. is seen by many people as a reliable news source. So much so that I constantly see other so-called news newtworks virtually ripping off /. word for word.

Re:Social Issues or Financial ones. (1)

Joe_Dark (137492) | more than 14 years ago | (#875951)

I'd have to agree. IMHO it seems that all the democrats want to do is spend my money to make the government bigger, more European like. I won't even go there. JoeDark

how unamerican of you (1)

pohl (872) | more than 14 years ago | (#875952)

Where should Rob publish his opinions if not on his own damned website!? Rock on, Rob. Keep the First Amendment alive.

Re:bad journalism (1)

dumdeedum (150099) | more than 14 years ago | (#875953)

One of the good things about Slashdot is that it's not a professional news network that isn't run by professional journalists (as illustrated by Mr Katz's continued employment). Basically it boils down to the fact it's CmdrTaco's site so if he wants to point out that GWB is a vacuous wanker then he (quite correctly) can.
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Vote for Harry Browne (1)

httptech (5553) | more than 14 years ago | (#875954)

Taco is right, both major parties have blown it. I'll be voting Libertarian from now on. Should you?

Ask yourself:

Who is a better candidate to run my life?
a) George Bush
b) Al Gore
c) Me

If you chose "c", then you are probably a Libertarian. Everyone who is tired of seeing the Gov't take away our liberties one at a time should check out the Libertarian Party [lp.org]

Re:*Sigh* (1)

juuri (7678) | more than 14 years ago | (#875956)

"serves the world, not just the U.S"

Oh please. Like there is a difference these days on the internet. When you can go to official goverment sites of other countries and they are either hosted here in the states or in English instead of the native language there is little doubt as to what the net really is centered about.

Is it right? No. But please let us all stop being so naive.
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Why that wasn't abuse: (2)

Booker (6173) | more than 14 years ago | (#875957)

I'm not offended by Rob's comment. Full disclosure here - it's partly because I agree with it. HOWEVER - all of the comparisons to CNN or ABC picking a candidate are way off the mark. This site is not about presidential politics, and it doesn't pretend to be. It's primarily News for Nerds, covering technology and the occasional geek obsession such as Anime or Star Wars.

So, when Rob says "GWB is a dork" I don't find that any more out of place than if he were to say "I really hate Dairy Queen burgers." It's irrelevant to the site. Saying "Corel Linux sucks, I'll never use it on my machine" would be a greater abuse of his editorial position, IMHO.

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Please do share... (1)

Munky_v2 (124274) | more than 14 years ago | (#875963)

Taco, if you want to run your mouth about GWB, you could at least say why. He is a GREAT candidate. While his father was in office, technology flourished (unhindered by the government I might add).


-MunKy_v2 [dialug.org]

Re:Bitching About Politics (1)

Cb22 (30540) | more than 14 years ago | (#875964)

kind of ironic, isn't it? An article about what appears, despite a lack of a great deal of real facts here or in the 2600 article, to be a blatant violation of the right to free speech and assembly and all that other good stuff, and the overwhelming consensus seems to be that CmdrTaco shouldn't be able to voice his opinions...

Re:bad journalism (2)

Gladiator (77646) | more than 14 years ago | (#875965)

Haven't you ever heard of an editorial?
You know, the newspaper column where an editor get to express their own viewpoint.
What's the point of having your own newspaper/website if you don't get to tell things the way you see it.
Mabe that's exactly the problem with CNN/ABC - too wishy-washy. Not enough guts to tell things the way they are for fear of losing the bucks.

Re:bad journalism (1)

karji (114631) | more than 14 years ago | (#875966)

Do you think CNN or ABC or any professional news network would EVER allow such a comment to be aired?

They do it all the time with foreign leaders.

Of course not, because news is supposed to be objective and un-biased.

His comment was objective.

New Logo! (1)

SwiftBob (141901) | more than 14 years ago | (#875967)

News for nerds, Stuff that we think, uninformative articles that might matter.
-Swift ::

Slashdot Party! (1)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 14 years ago | (#875968)

I think he just brought a non-celebratory meaning to the phrase "Slashot Party".

I feel sorry for you Americans... (1)

Hadean (32319) | more than 14 years ago | (#875969)

Getting stuck between choosing Gore or Bush... quite a pathetic choice, really... Sure, there's some other ones like Nayder (whom, I guess, I'd vote for... *blink*), but do you think they'd win, what with all the media focus on the big two? Of course not. I see some sad times coming in the future for the U.S.

With 270 million+ people in the States, these are the best two "candidates" ?? Scuse me? What happened to democracy while I was gone?

(I guess I shouldn't talk though, things aren't much better here in Canada/Ontario either... ugh)

New Moderation Type? (2)

Dr. Sp0ng (24354) | more than 14 years ago | (#875971)

Slashdot needs an addition to its moderation system:

(-1, Dumbass)
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Quote Wrong (1)

QuasEye (98125) | more than 14 years ago | (#875973)

I believe the reference should be "Inanimate Carbon Rod" (assuming this is a Simpsons reference.) As for myself, "don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"

"If I removed everything here that I thought was pointless, there would be like two messages here."

Re:GWB? (1)

Major Kong (54888) | more than 14 years ago | (#875974)

/. is a public forum, is it not? Why is it every time some one offers their opinion someone crawls up to try some effort to censor it. GWB is the figure head for the Repubs. If he did not represent their views then let him speak out against this type of muzzling. I for one am waiting for any person from the so called mainstream to regain humanity and a little backbone.

3rd parties are always an option (1)

kezgin (108761) | more than 14 years ago | (#875986)

If you don't like Bush or Gore, why not look into other possible candidates? That's the only way change will ever come about. Check out Harry Browne, the Libertarian candidate, at www.harrybrowne.org [harrybrowne.org] If everyone that thinks their vote doesn't matter, or refuses to vote for a 3rd party because it's a waste, would actually vote for that party, maybe something would get done in the country.

Re:bad journalism (1)

jellicle (29746) | more than 14 years ago | (#875987)

The main difference between Taco giving his opinion here and the actions of the news conglomerates is that they would take care to mislead you by pretending to be objective while spinning as hard as they can. Taco skipped the "misleading" part.

In my mind at least, that's about an order of magnitude better. But I guess if you prefer to be lied to, so be it.
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Michael Sims-michael at slashdot.org

disapointed (1)

kfort (1132) | more than 14 years ago | (#875989)

It makes me very sad to see such stupid political slander on /. I have just lost a lot of respect for malda, he is no better than the rest of the media pushing their political views.

I do not come to /. to read biased politics, I will probably be coming here less now. I think malda should apologize for this.

Re:Yes, it IS flaimbate... (1)

Psycho S. Illusion (140970) | more than 14 years ago | (#875991)

I read /. because the only politics that I have to read is about privacy/technology legistlation.

Perhaps your view of "politics" is more focused than mine, but how is this any different than the incredibly strong Anti-Corporate/Pro-Open Source Movement of Slashdot throughout?

If CmdrTaco said "And by the way, I hate Microsoft's compilers, I'd rather use MalignantC++ 3.0 instead" his comment would be universally hailed as the teachings of a heroic Freedom Fighter.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Slashdot is like the oped section of a newspaper (1)

Paleolithic (148678) | more than 14 years ago | (#875992)

Slashdot is more like the editorial and the oped section of a newspaper. Nearly every post has at least an implicit bias. This is OK in a forum like /. The way to deal with bias is to argue against the view to which you disagree. But it is not useful to argue against bias itself; if you do you are battle you cannot win.

I think that it is important to oppose George W. Bush. He is beholden to the Right Wing Christian wing of the Republican party. That branch would like nothing better than to use the laws and the government to impose their view of morality on the rest of America. That wing of the Republican party values freedom less than any other major political grouping in the America right now. That George W. gets a tremendous amount of support from this wing of the party should be reason enough to oppose him.

"political evaluation"? (2)

MfA (107204) | more than 14 years ago | (#875993)

If you consider somoene at whatever website giving his opinion with 0 arguments to back them up as a political evaluation to be taken seriously its only a small step to accepting Taco as your oracle.

He just gave his opinion, dont make more of it than it is.

Well, as we all know (4)

seizer (16950) | more than 14 years ago | (#876112)

As we all know from the Mitnick case, a hacker can initiate nuclear strikes just by whistling down a telephone line. I mean, that's just fact, isn't it? I think the police were very prudent in arresting him before he had time to launch.

--Remove SPAM from my address to mail me

Re:Abusing slashdot to push your political agenda? (3)

Dr. Sp0ng (24354) | more than 14 years ago | (#876116)

While I agree with you about Bush, I can't help but feel that there's something wrong with this...

Hey, man, it's his website :-)
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Abusing Slashdot? (2)

molo (94384) | more than 14 years ago | (#876122)

Saying you are abusing slashdot doesn't make it any better when you do. Whats the deal, taco? Your personal political positions shouldn't be attached to an unrelated article.

I understand that you might wish to spark some debate about politics, but why not make it a feature article about which of the four (yes, four.. Besides Bush and Gore, Nader and Buchannon are raise important issues and are valid candidates.) would have better effect on technology issues that are relevant to slashdotters.

Now, excuse me while I read the 2600 article and post a relevant comment.

"There ought to be limits to freedom" (2)

sheldon (2322) | more than 14 years ago | (#876127)

GW Bush is not a smart man.

www.gwbush.com

Re:Come on Democratic Convention... (2)

Barbarian (9467) | more than 14 years ago | (#876128)

"Hey, what's that?"

"An inanimate carbon rod!"

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Lets not make this political (2)

HowIsMyDriving? (142335) | more than 14 years ago | (#876132)

Well, there were lots of people arrested for no go reason in Philly, and I dbout that his affiliation had anything to do with it. Hell, I was arrested for walking through a protest zone. And BTW I don't like any of the canidiates, but don't turn slashdot into a political soapbox. All you are going to start is a flame war.

Social Issues or Financial ones. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#876149)

Sure George and Gore are rotten candidates. But doesn't the repulican financial agenda more closely resemble your own than the democrats? Do you really think that social issues wont work themselves out. They have in every other case, abortion,womens rights, civil rights, etc..etc.. regardless of who was leading the country. They all want their jobs.... What do we want more? Bigger government or less? That is the only issue in my book.

and this says what? (3)

dirk (87083) | more than 14 years ago | (#876156)

This has to be one of the least useful things I've read on /. in a long time. A 2600 staffer gets arrested for something (they never do say what), bail is set at something they aren't sure of (and both guesses may be wrong), and he was walking down the street at the time of arrest (doing what? where was he walking? talking to whom?). So, in essense, some guy was arrested for possibly doing something and bail was set at something we're not sure of. Until there are a LOT more details, this story means basically nothing except a chance for Taco to get his views out to the /. crowd.

Re:Abusing slashdot to push your political agenda? (1)

Johnzilla (50613) | more than 14 years ago | (#876157)

True, true.

can we moderate stories? (1)

heff (24452) | more than 14 years ago | (#876163)

If we could moderate stories I'd give him score -1 flamebait or troll, come on, give us some reasons before you go bashing a candiate. But maybe you're right, after all, AL Gore did create the internet. lol BUSH FOR PRESIDENT!

Re:Vote Libertarian! (3)

xianzombie (123633) | more than 14 years ago | (#876165)

Don't take this the wrong way, but leagalizing drugs could be a good thing

When you consider what a large portion of crime is a result of (drug trade, abuse, etc). The leagalization of certain drugs could put them under control, in ways similar to the whole alchohol prohibition.

Disclaimer: I am not condoning nor condeming the use of drugs

Re:On slashdot? (1)

sgage (109086) | more than 14 years ago | (#876166)

"Bush & Gore both suck. I just feel Gore==Clinton and cannot justify voting for someone that sucky again...

Which leaves me... Bush. Corporation loving, big oil loving, big (insert large financial interst) lover.

So what do I do? Don't think about it!"

Nader. No way could I vote for Bush - he as as you say. No way could I vote for Gore - he is a vicious, lying sack of shit in dullard's clothing. As my philosopher friend would accuse me... I'm "throwing away my vote" on Ralph Nader.

Slashdot just dropped another notch... (1)

Mark A. Rhowe (216675) | more than 14 years ago | (#876185)

"This has no relevance, but I'm abusing slashdot to say that I think Bush is a rotten candidate"

...in the ranking of sites I visit. I was really suprised to see this. Too bad -

Freedom of minds and the right to protest (1)

Zappa (26961) | more than 14 years ago | (#876188)

Basicaly in states where you have the right to protest and damonstrate against something you should take it whenever you beleive its necessary.
If the state hast to react with power against peacefull events, it usually has a reason for it or at least something to fear about.
Sad enough, but I think you can rate your state by its reaction to you taking your rights by going public with other than the wanted opinion.

Sadly enough I dont know many coutries where going out on the streets doesent bring any consequences...

slashdot needs more discussion like this (2)

not_you (81086) | more than 14 years ago | (#876191)

slashdot: news for nerds, stuff that matters
no, this shouldn't mean just discussions of PERL and when the newest version of KDE will be released!
why not include more news like this? i think who's going to be leading our country's legislature is at least as relevant as what new hardware SGI has designed...

American Politics (1)

nconway (86640) | more than 14 years ago | (#876196)

I think Bush is a rotten candidate, and while I don't like Gore, I would vote for a malignant carbon rod for president before I would vote for GWB).

Which, of course, is the problem with the American political system. You get to choose, alright - but from the lesser of 2 evils.

NewsFlash! (2)

boss soul (155885) | more than 14 years ago | (#876200)

I just heard that a malignant carbon rod has actually made it to Gore's short list of VP candidates. I guess Gore really IS going after the geek vote.

Gore/Rod 2000, baby!

Re:Abusing Slashdot? (1)

NixterAg (198468) | more than 14 years ago | (#876204)

Bush has my vote and I'm proud to say so. He's an honest guy and that's definitely not Gore's strong point. Bush didn't arrest anyone and didn't suggest that anyone be arrested either so why was he attacked in the matter?

Philadelphia Independant Media Center (1)

F250SuperDuty (65363) | more than 14 years ago | (#876208)

www.phillyimc.org [phillyimc.org] has a lot of info related to what happened during the RNC. It's nice getting another point of view...

-k

indymedia (5)

dkesh (23048) | more than 14 years ago | (#876239)

Others will mention it, but the SLASH-based site to go for news about the protests is philadelphia independent media center [phillyimc.org] .

Inanimate != Malignant (2)

quonsar (61695) | more than 14 years ago | (#876244)

I think that was "inanimate carbon rod"... Either way, a better overall canditate than can be found in the current lineup.

"I will gladly pay you today, sir, and eat up

Re:Vote Libertarian! (2)

Dr. Sp0ng (24354) | more than 14 years ago | (#876246)

Don't take this the wrong way, but leagalizing drugs could be a good thing

Legalizing drugs would be a very good thing, for all the reasons you mentioned. Not to mention the fact that it would make drugs safer (less impurities, and you'd know exactly what you were getting) if they were manufactured/grown by the government or private companies.
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Just the facts please (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 14 years ago | (#876252)

My preferred news format is for the media to give us the facts, and let the people discuss it. That's why Slashdot is great. The little opinions tacked onto the articles are annoying, and this one went too far. Sadly, Commander Taco even said that he posted it! "This has no relevance, but I'm abusing Slashdot to say..." If it had no relevance, why did you say it?

From the comments thus far, it seems that this will is of more concern to readers that the actual article. That just shows how innappropriate it is.

Politics = Banner Ad Generator (1)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 14 years ago | (#876254)

News for Nerds - my $#@!

Lets start a petition to keep SlashDot politics free. Granted such discussions generate lots of heat and lots of Banner Ad exposures.

"we have not led" (1)

Signal 11 (7608) | more than 14 years ago | (#876255)

Well, the GOP nominee George Bush had the following to say over the arrest today of the 2600 staffer:

When asked whether this violated the civil liberties of the press, Mr. Bush responded -

Reach out to minorities, but without quotas. (Jun 1999) When asked what the 2600 staffer was arrested for, Bush's response was that the Miranda should be waived in some situations. (Jun 28) as well as uphold law on death penalty; and think of the victims. (Jun 22) One member of the press wondered aloud whether this was fair punishment for someone merely talking on a cell phone, Bush replied that More searches and less parole for criminals (Jan 1997) should be enforced - especially in cases like this.

2600 reports that they intend to sue over this. Bush responded quickly with Stop hurting business with excessive punitive damage awards.(Dec 1999) A visibly upset 2600 staffer replied with Assault weapon OK; waiting period not OK. (Apr 1999)

Don't blame me... (1)

FascDot Killed My Pr (24021) | more than 14 years ago | (#876257)

...I voted for Kodos!

BTW, Rob, that's "inanimate carbon rod".
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Re:News for Nerds??? Stuff that matters??? More li (1)

seldolivaw (179178) | more than 14 years ago | (#876258)

I think massive violations of constitutional and human rights on the eve of democratic elections in the most powerful nation on Earth qualifies as "stuff that matters", don't you? If we can post about incremental release of Gnome, I think signs of the impending collapse of freedom in the 21st century should also get a mention.

With all respect, try and have a sense of perspective.

The Spirit of Nixon (1)

quonsar (61695) | more than 14 years ago | (#876260)

It lives...

"I will gladly pay you today, sir, and eat up

Bitching About Politics (5)

Dr. Sp0ng (24354) | more than 14 years ago | (#876284)

Ok, there's like 30-some odd comments right now (at a threshold of +1) and most of them seem to be bitching about how CmdrTaco shouldn't have used Slashdot for his political views.

Why the hell not? He uses Slashdot for his views about software, why not politics? It's his website, after all, he can do whatever the hell he wants. Rather than bitching about it, just don't click on stories you don't want to read - less pageviews means he'll be less likely to post something like that in the future.
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Re:What's wrong with GW (1)

mrfiddlehead (129279) | more than 14 years ago | (#876285)

Er, can anyone say irony.

What good would it do, I wonder, to repeat that GW is a stupid stupid man, repeat drug user, mass murderer, nose picker, vietnam war dodger and the Anti-Christ.

Haven't you ever seen Damien?

Re:Abusing slashdot to push your political agenda? (1)

David D (16194) | more than 14 years ago | (#876289)

Agenda? What freaking agenda? The guy doesn't like the sap that's running for president. It's his website, he sold to Andover, he retained editorial control. He can do whatever the hell he wants.

I hardly see dissing a candidate as a political agenda.

MAYBE Taco wants to take over the world..

More info on the political prisoners in Philly (3)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#876294)

Here's some more info [zmag.org] from Zmag [zmag.org] about the conditions the jailed in Philly are facing, and the abuse of civil rights, i.e., pepper spray on non-violent people, denying lawyer visits, excessive bail (as in the article, $500,000 for a misdemeanor?!)

What the hell? (1)

Pufferfish (100833) | more than 14 years ago | (#876296)

'...Some of them were extremists and deserved it...'

What? You're saying some of them deserved to be beaten up by police? Some of them deserved to have their food and water cut off in jail?
No one deserves police brutality. While some of them were almost certainly breaking the law (hell, I know someone who was there protesting, and he's probably broke the law a dozen different ways by now), they don't deserve to be beaten by guys in riot gear. If someone is breaking the law they get arrested and they go to jail. This country prohibits (or says it does) police brutality and cruel/unusual punishments. No one, no matter what they did, who they are, or what their views are, can be beaten (what happened in Philadelphia was nearly torture, if you look into it you'd find out) by the state.

Where are the engineers? (1)

kbs (70631) | more than 14 years ago | (#876297)

I've been thinking about the political system in the U.S., and I found it interesting there doesn't seem to be many people in the "system" who are technically oriented. Every so often on slashdot there's a complaint about some law being pushed in congress. Obviously it's got a lot to do with money in power, but I wonder how often do real issues that effect real nerds get adequate representation in those bodies of power. I would personally like to see someone launch their political aspirations from Slashdot.
yours,

There's no one to vote for (1)

seldolivaw (179178) | more than 14 years ago | (#876299)

Warning: this is my opinion

Nobody with a brain and any sense of justice is going to vote for Bush; nobody with any pride would vote for Gore, and nobody else has a chance of winning. No wonder voter turnouts are so low!

However, Gore is probably the lesser of the (many) evils.

I also believe it was wrong of Taco to preach politics in a main article. Why not just start a "who should geeks vote for?" question on Slashdot? Now that would be interesting!

Re:Abusing slashdot to push your political agenda? (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 14 years ago | (#876320)

No it is andovers' website. He just has editoral control

Re:Shame on you (1)

IAmATuringMachine! (62994) | more than 14 years ago | (#876321)

Now that I think about it, you have been doing stuff like this a lot recently. You stuffed the ballot on the "Best Concert of the Summer" just last week. I know that this is heading towards redundantville, so I'll give it a rest. But please, if you want to tell us what YOU think go buy soapbox.org from its owner and put your views there. You can even link to it from the main page.

Re:Lets not make this political (1)

mrfiddlehead (129279) | more than 14 years ago | (#876325)

<way offtopic&gt

Why did the potato cross the road.

Because it was just recently injected with the genetic material from a chicken.

</way offtopic&gt

Yes, it IS flaimbate... (1)

kwsNI (133721) | more than 14 years ago | (#876327)

I agree. I read /. because the only politics that I have to read is about privacy/technology legistlation. If I wanted to read a political evaluation of a canidate, I'd go to someone that knows something about politics, not CmdrTaco. Stick to the technology stories, leave the politics to Slate...



kwsNI

CmdrTaco, I Respect You (1)

tealover (187148) | more than 14 years ago | (#876328)

I too abhor GWB. I resent what he represents. I thank you for taking the bold step to offer your political opinion. You will of course be attacked, but it is important for us to attack GWB and show him for who he is.

You dont like bush or gore? Vote Dammit (5)

evilned (146392) | more than 14 years ago | (#876332)

In the US we have continually have some of the lowest voter turn outs in the world. Its no wonder that money controls both major parties. Do yourself a favor, dont vote for them, vote for someone else, while I dont like Nader, he does make a hell of a protest vote. I will probably vote for Harry Brown myself. But what ever you do, dont not vote. Dont succumb to the throwing your vote away bs. A protest vote is still a vote, and with enough protest votes, we can make either the major parties none existant, or force them to hear and cater to our voices. Please dont waste that vote.

Re:Abusing slashdot to push your political agenda? (3)

Dr. Sp0ng (24354) | more than 14 years ago | (#876334)

No it is andovers' website. He just has editoral control

Alright, fine. He has editorial control. So he's using his powers of editorial control to post an editorial about his views on a candidate.
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2600 arrest (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 14 years ago | (#876336)

The article seems like a rant - no details. What were the charges? Why do they not know his exact bail?

Alternative choice (2)

Major Kong (54888) | more than 14 years ago | (#876338)

Yes the RepuliCrats offer hideous canidates. Both major parties are basically the same. Control of your mind, property, wealth, and liberty. I don't promote the Libertarian's as the cure to all evils, but they are more on track to getting us back on track than anything currently offered. Check it out at www.lp.org. Your freedom is only belongs to you if fight for it and use it.

I don't know about ALL drugs, but... (2)

acecccp (102351) | more than 14 years ago | (#876371)

First of all, one thing needs to be said - "I don't smoke marijuana." With that having been said, here are some reasons to legalize marijuana in the United States. Nice and simple: 1) Marijuana use is less harmful and risky than the use of alcohol, tobacco, and many nonprescription drugs. It is the safest (currently) illegal drug. Marijuana is much less addictive than tobacco or alcohol. This is one reason why most people that smoked it in the 70's were able to quit easily and not become addicts. 2) Legalization of marijuana would cut down on crime. Because marijuana is illegal, it is difficult to manufacture, and is expensive, so addicts often have to turn to crime to sustain their habit. Legalization would drive the price down and alleviate this problem. Currently, much of the crime that goes on is a result of territory disputes between dealers. Legalization of marijuana would hurt organized crime as a whole. If marijuana was legal, the entire infrastructure of organized crime involved in its manufacturing and distribution would lose any reason for existence because marijuana would be legally produced and sold at a much cheaper price by legitimate companies. Police officers and suspected informants often face retribution by gangs and drug dealers. Legalization of marijuana would simply eliminate the need for dealers and put a stop to all this. Legalization would cut down on corruption in the law enforcement, the government. Officials will no longer be tempted into accepting bribes, and pocketing large amounts of drug money. 3) Legalization would free up resources to fight legitimate crimes. It would end prison overcrowding, as many prisoners are sitting in jails for drug-related convictions. It would free up the court system and the police and allow them to concentrate on other crimes. Fighting marijuana-related "crimes" is costing us tax money. 4) Legalizing marijuana would make it safer for users. One of the main reasons why marijuana is unsafe right now is because it isn't regulated, and its quality isn't monitored by anyone. When people buy marijuana, they don't know for sure what they're getting or where it's been. 5) The government has no right to interfere with people's personal freedom as it is currently doing. Smoking marijuana only has the potential to hurt the health of the user. An individual should have the right to choose to use it. People are allowed to skydive, and drive cars. There are risks in those and many other activities, but the government isn't regulating them. Sure, smoking marijuana does put others at minimal risk through second hand smoke and the user's actions towards others, but this is also valid for alcohol and tobacco. This is why driving while stoned should remain illegal.

Re:News for Nerds??? Stuff that matters??? More li (1)

RenQuanta (3274) | more than 14 years ago | (#876373)

What happend to the old Slashdot??
As far as I can tell, it's alive and kicking.

Being that 2600 is "The Hacker Quarterly", and what I find to be a useful resource as a geek and hacker (old-school definition), I don't see what the complaint is about. How the mainstream power institutions treat members of the nerd community, particularly those of our press, should be considered some of the most important "News for Nerds".

The police apparently knew who he was, as he was arrested while walking down a street talking on a phone. Reports are conflicting as to whether he's being held on a million dollars bail or $500,000. He's being charged with a misdemeanor, according to the Philadelphia Police web site....
Naturally, the mainstream media has been very quiet about this.


This scares the piss out of me. I certainly consider it "News for Nerds".

Re:On slashdot? (1)

core10k (196263) | more than 14 years ago | (#876374)

Go ahead, throw your vote. :) You Americans are in a rough spot. But hey, the Canadian government fully supports violent riot suppresion, so what can I say, we suck too.

Hmm.... (1)

idiot900 (166952) | more than 14 years ago | (#876376)

What exactly did ShapeShifter do to deserve the arrest? What was the misdemeanor he was charged with? Funny how 2600 doesn't provide a link to the police website so readers can find out for themselves.

When arrests have to be made, the charges are never very serious.

And they weren't! He was charged with a misdemeanor!

Reports are conflicting as to whether he's being held on a million dollars bail or $500,000.

...for a misdemeanor?! I'm no expert at the legal system but this sounds ludicrous. Does somebody have a coherent, accurate report of this? Is this really all 2600 cracks it up to be?

Re:Vote Libertarian! (1)

Zelphyr (130474) | more than 14 years ago | (#876379)

I agree with the legalizing of drugs but I definately don't want the government supplying them. There's not a single thing save defense that the government does remotely well and defense is debatable. I would submit that the goverment supplying a product to the consumer would be about as successful as the government managing the peoples money (see: IRS).

Bush is a Murderer (1)

bangman (140200) | more than 14 years ago | (#876380)

I read that NYT article where it said that Bush only spends 15 minutes (at the maximum) when considering the facts of prisoners who are about to be executed. This is outlandish! It's been statistically proven that in many of these cases the defendant has been wrongfully accused. So Bush merrily murders innocent people. I have no desire to see this ignorant murderer as the president of our country.

VOTE FOR HANS SOLO! (1)

seldolivaw (179178) | more than 14 years ago | (#876381)

Why didn't we think of this before? Attractive, personable, charismatic, and frozen in carbonite so he can't make any dumb decisions!

Vice president: Yoda :-)

Secretary of state: C3PO (good at diplomacy!)

This has no relevence, but... (1)

Borogrove (126006) | more than 14 years ago | (#876416)

I've found it humorous that the republicans have gotten a lot of flak over the treatment of demonstrators at the convention. I've also read numerous complaints about the hassles the convention caused.

It's interesting to note, though, that Philadelphia is, overall, a largely democrat run city. The police take their orders from the mayor, a Democrat, and it wasn't as if the convention wasn't invited. Cities fight for the economic boost from conventions as much as they do for any other huge gathering of wealthy, influential people. More, I'd say, since it's tough to beat either convention for influence.

Ah, well. At least we won't see any problems in LA with the democrats. After all, Al Gore has said that while they had protesters in Philly, they'll have demonstrators in LA. Hmmm....Like in 1968, I suppose?

Ah, Politics.

Borogrove

Re:On slashdot? (1)

flwombat (190748) | more than 14 years ago | (#876418)

'As my philosopher friend would accuse me... I'm "throwing away my vote" on Ralph Nader.'

People keep saying things like that to me when I tell them I'm voting for Nader. This really gets me riled up... it's a _waste_ of my vote to vote for the person I want to be president? Quite the opposite... it would be a real waste for me to vote for Gore just because I think he's somewhat less evil and scary than Bush.

For one thing, if Gore does get elected, I don't want to be personally responsible for any of the dumb crap he does while in office. Secondly, how do 3rd parties come about? They come about by losing a few times but slowly gaining support and recognition. I feel a duty to vote for Nader... maybe it'll put us back to a 2-party system; the Greens vs. the Republicrats.
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Re:this is turning into WTO all over again. (1)

mrfiddlehead (129279) | more than 14 years ago | (#876422)

There haven't been protests like these since the 60's. What's changed wrt the establishment, nada, sweet fuck all, nuttin'. And now who holds the reins? The same people who were into the free love and make love not war stuff way back then.

Down with 'the man'. Or maybe 'the person'.

Re:this is turning into WTO all over again. (1)

Urban Dragon (8053) | more than 14 years ago | (#876424)

And there was another article on how the ACLU sent
people to investigate the rumours of mistreatment
and found that a lot of the claims were pure fiction.

Re:bad journalism (1)

idiot900 (166952) | more than 14 years ago | (#876425)

This could have been remedied, CmdrTaco, by simply posting the same comment on a forum...

Couldn't have said it better (1)

shlong (121504) | more than 14 years ago | (#876426)

"I think Bush is a rotten candidate, and while I don't like Gore, I would vote for a malignant carbon rod for president before I would vote for GWB"

Amen.

A bit off topic, I know, but I had to say it.


"I shoulda never sent a penguin out to do a daemon's work."

*Sigh* (1)

Digital Mage (124845) | more than 14 years ago | (#876427)

Yet another Slashdot topic that I must remove from my customized list. If I wanted to be spoonfed political propoganda I would go to the candidates website.

While the U.S. election might be stuff that matters, please keep politics away from Slashdot. Not to mention that Slashdot serves the world, not just the U.S.

Re:Vote Libertarian! (1)

Dr. Sp0ng (24354) | more than 14 years ago | (#876467)

I agree with the legalizing of drugs but I definately don't want the government supplying them. There's not a single thing save defense that the government does remotely well and defense is debatable.

Ok, I agree with you here. Well, it should be done by private companies (on a related note, last night I thought of the perfect drug, and I bet if pot gets legalized, some company will make a killing off this - a genentically engineered pot plant which has nicotine and caffeine as well as THC :-)
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Editorializing vs. stories (2)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 14 years ago | (#876469)

What Rob should have done was to post the story with no comment, then post a comment to the story with his political beliefs. This would have done three things:
  1. It would have kept the editorial content seperate from the news content
  2. It would have allowed Rob to actually state why he feels the way he does, thus allowing others to think about their own opinions with respect to any information in Rob's post
  3. It would have screwed the "first post" morons.

Really Rob, if you want /. to be respected, you must be respectable. Keep your editorial opinions as seperate as possible from the news. Failure to do so is why I cancelled my local paper.

Politics, Slashdot and the WTO.... (2)

tenchiken (22661) | more than 14 years ago | (#876472)

If we are going to have a thread about politics, lets go ahead and have a article. However, to attach a political opinion on something unreleated (The protesters happened to be in Phil to demonstrate about their views, but the RNC do not control the politice, left the police and the protestors alone, and ran hospitality suites for the protestors) is a bit low and underhanded, and is "guilt by assocation". You might as well blame the fact that during the last democratic convetion the mayor sent all the poor packing out of the city.

I do think that people on Slashdot need to be more involved in the poltical proccess. There are good and serious debates both socially, the role of internation orginzations, the enviornment etc, as well as nationally (the role of China in the world, America's treaty obligations to taiwan), economically, finance reform, stock market etc.
Bush made a major political shift the other day, from conservitive to progressive. Read the pundit's editorials about it. It was interesting. Al gore needs to do something desperate to catch up on the 20pt lead Bush has.

All of these are important issues (and if there is a legit thread, I will be right in the middle of the frey) and should not be overlooked. But to post the political manner in the way it was posted was ir-responsible.

Re:this is turning into WTO all over again. (1)

quonsar (61695) | more than 14 years ago | (#876473)


And now who holds the reins? The same people who were into the free love and make love not war stuff way back then.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

"I will gladly pay you today, sir, and eat up

Extremists don't deserve police abuse. (1)

dash2 (155223) | more than 14 years ago | (#876474)

<blockquote>There's a ton of information there on the protests and folks being arrested and mistreated. <strong>Of course there were extremists who deserved it</strong>...</blockquote>
<p>Never mind about the "Bush sucks" comment, which was maybe true but definitely inappropriate. What about this gem? "Extremists" do not "deserve" police maltreatment, and nor do paedophiles, murderers and terrorists, because noone deserves it. Shame on you, CmdrTaco. This is like pointing out Rodney King's violations as an excuse for the LAPD's treatment of him.
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What are the weapons of happiness?

maybe not so off-topic (1)

jmorse (90107) | more than 14 years ago | (#876475)

Hmm...maybe this isn't so off-topic after all. The staffer was targeted for using a cell phone...that's YRO related. Plus, almost amy story about the election bears relevance...GW Bush is for censoring the internet. Al Gore was for censoring music (remember the PMRC?), but now tries to come off as a liberal. This presidential election has real implications for geeks; will DCMA be expanded? will pr0n be completely banned? will the justice department continue its case against Micro$oft on appeal, or will an AG under GW Bush quietly drop (or intentionally lose) the case? what type of people will each candidate appoint to our already conservative supreme court?

Sure, CmdrTaco admitted to abusing /. but I think this story has at least some relevance...

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