Evangelion Movies Coming This Fall 117
Phunky Monkey writes: "'Manga Entertainment has announced the release dates for both End of Evangelion and Death and Rebirth as October 31, 2001! They to plan to release them in subtitled and dubbed VHS tapes as well as bi-lingual DVDs for each movie.' Got this little snippet over at www.eva2000.com. Although Manga's site doesn't reflect this, I havn't seen anything more accurate than 'summer 2001' until this. " Evangelion has gotta be among the coolest series, and I'm stoked to see a movie coming. Meanwhile I'm just waiting for my copy of
Eva 6 to ship.
Re:Death and Rebirth... ho hum. End of Eva good! (Score:1)
The 'movies' that are comming out now (actually, I've had subbed mpegs of them for ages) are the -original- ending. They weren't allowed to be aired on TV due to various scenes (like when Shinji was visiting Asuka at the hospital...) so they had to cook up an alternate ending very quick (note the large amount being done in marker). The original ending shows were polished and released in theatres later on as movies.
Eva Movie mini-review (Score:1)
Instead of leaving us with the shared hope and happiness at the dawn of a new age in humanity (in the TV series), we are left wth an ambiguous wasteland of pain and loss, and perhaps hope. Some fans of the TV ending claim that the movie, while visually excellent compared to the series, was a dimly veiled "screw you" from Anno to those who disliked the original.
But now, having seen it (albeit with a pretty bad english translation) I can start to appreciate that it stands on it's own as an alternative ending. The primary reason for this is the absolutely shocking and jaw dropping visual imagery throughout the film. Anno is drilling the pain, suffering, and generally the most horrible qualities of humans into the audience again and again. To be offended by this is to refuse a reality the every single one of us share.
Anyway, you will now go to this site:
http://www.interlog.com/~mileston/neon_genesis/ev
john_deweeseATmac.com - It's OK to spam me here!
Re:Why is anime so expensive? (Score:1)
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Re:I would be excited but... (Score:1)
skipping DVD advertisements (or not) (Score:1)
Many DVD players (especially the cheaper ones) do not allow you to skip past opening content that is marked by the manufacturer as unskippable. Pressing the Menu button with these players yields only a red circle in the corner with a red slash through it.
It really sucks, especially so because many consumers on the market aren't even aware of this so-called "feature".
Re:Eva Movie mini-review (Score:1)
The last tape.... (Score:1)
I have been waiting for the movies ever since =)
Re:DO NOT CLICK "IP banned..." above (Score:1)
Evangelion? (Score:1)
but i'm very confused here. What on earth
is Evangelion?
Re:I've had Eva- D&R... (Score:1)
It's probably a bootleg DVD, meaning Gainax was in no way compensated for their work.
It's not necessarily a bootleg release, it's just not a U.S. release. There's a difference. This is a hong kong release DVD, and is region 0 (ie, all-region, not region 1) like (as far as I know) any DVDs that come out of hong kong. Just because it's not the north american release doesn't mean it's a bootleg.
I got the chinese release because I wanted to see the movies in relatively good quality, and the release date for this has been pushed back well over a year now. I'll probably order the DVD when manga releases it, because manga does good work. ADV, by contrast, has pretty much been pissing off GAINAX with all the stupid crap it did to the NGE 0:1 DVD (ie, not content to merely provide dubbing, they also altered some of the images to display english rather than japanese text... so even though you can avoid the Worst Voice Acting I've Ever Heard, some of ADV's stupidity bleeds through anyway), so I'd feel no qualms about ordering superior releases of the series from hong kong. And frankly, I doubt GAINAX would much mind ADV not getting my business.
Need to speak... (Score:1)
Re:Need to speak... (Score:1)
Re:What's with this? (Score:1)
http://linear.mv.com/cgi-bin/j-e/dosearch?sDict=on &H=PW&L=J&T=otaku&fg=r&S=26&I=on&IK=on&LI=on [mv.com]
Re:Anime on Slashdot (Score:1)
Re:Death and Rebirth... ho hum. End of Eva good! (Score:1)
It was grating, poorly executed, and overly repetetive. I've watched art films. I like art films. An art film, Eva was not. It didn't even finish the series in an emotional sense. It was merely, like Death & Rebirth, a rehashing of the other episodes, simply from an emotional standpoint.
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Re:I've had Eva- D&R... (Score:1)
Woe to all who haven't seen End of Evangelion. (Score:1)
How To Watch Evangelion (Score:1)
Evangelion has earned its hype. Simultaneously a peak specimen of the sci-fi/action genre and a sublime exploration of the human psyche, the Eva series not only entertained me, it reedemed me. As one IMDB [imdb.com] commentator said [imdb.com], in reference to the movie, "[It is] Absolutely Amazing, My life is now complete".
The action is set in Tokyo-3, a fortress city where three 14-year old children must pilot giant robots to wrestle with and destroy the messengers of God who threaten the destruction of all humankind. Classic anime, right? But it grows more complex than that: the interwoven machinations of action and introspection, super-science and mythology create a rich, pessimitic world in which characters find human interaction fundamentally encumbered by personal angsts.
To best enjoy Evangelion, you should watch the entire TV series. Be warned: the controversial ending displayed in episodes 25 & 26 has the wishy-washy feel of Serial Experiments Lain. However, Eva--brewed directly from Director's Hideaki Anno personal struggles--has genuine substance to it. Nothing proves this more than the movie, End of Evangelion, which covers the events in eps. 25 & 26 from a different prospective.
Dubs of the movie and series are unacceptable. Watch only subbed versions. An amazing amount of information is carried by intonation and stress. The most admirable character in the entire series, for example, sounds like a complete jerk in some of the dubs I've seen.
I do not recommend Death & Rebirth. It condenses the series into a 2 hour show that lacks the beauty and completeness of the original.
Re:What's with this? (Score:1)
Your point: Elitism exists. What's new?
The response to posts like this that you're looking for is, "You're an elitist."
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Re:Evangelion? (Score:1)
Umm, yeah...because not enjoying a piece of work == not having a clue. Of course...?!
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Re:Why is anime so expensive? (Score:1)
Re:What's with this? (Score:1)
Some expat Japanese people I know who have been in America for several decades didn't know this other usage. Here's a very simple example you can use when calling someone:
Moshi moshi, Tetsujin28san no otaku desu ka?
Basically hello is this Tesujin28's house?
My understanding is the newer additional meaning of otaku came about because us fanboys (and yes you are correct it can be a fanatic of anything)
are in somebody else's house, we are dependent on them for entertainment. I say us as I know you
Tetsujin28 and I are anime otaku (in Colorado even) ^_^
Re:Just Slightly Offtopic, but this needs to be sa (Score:1)
Yes, there are some out there that are _excellent_, unfortunately sometimes it sounds like the US director has decided to get Joe Acting Student to do it on an internship level.
*sigh* Ah well. Unfortunately the Golden Age of Radio no longer exists, so there's no real demand for Voice Actors like there was (and back then it was _very_ respectable to be a voice actor). Maybe with anime getting more popular, there will be more demand for trained voice actors (and higher pay and more respect as a result).
What I'd like to see in the meantime is Firesign Theatre do at least a few dubs. It'd make them money and the dubs would be excellent and...uh...creative.
"It's just this little chromium switch here. [click] Ahh, you people are SO superstitious!"
As for my previous rant about Christians, don't get me wrong, I've worked in a company that was owned/operated by a "Born Again Christian" family. Nobody forced their views on me, I was treated with respect, and I gave the respect right back.
It's the only job I ever had that when I had to leave (got transferred) I literally cried.
Contrast this to someone who I currently work with, when I was making a comment about the sulfur based cutting oil (I'm a machinist) being stinky and smelling like brimstone, my cow-orker said that I "better get used to it".
WTF. I mean, really.
There are Christians that do *get it* and there are some (some people would say the vast majority, but I won't go there) that look down their noses at anyone who's a non-believer.
Whatever. I have been chased away.
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Just Slightly Offtopic, but this needs to be said. (Score:1)
Ok, I know, Don't Feed The Trolls, but this USian Fundie Craaaaap is just that, Crap.
The words "one nation under God" were NOT part of the Pledge of Allegiance until the Eisenhower Administration, and the "Fundamentalists" seem to be the ones spreading the misinformation that somehow this country was founded on their special brand of Christianity. (It wasn't. People like Franklin toured different churches, checking things out, and to top it off, Franklin was a certified Dirty Old Man...my hero)
I should also proudly add that my State (Rhode Island, soon to appear on a Quarter in your pocket) was founded by someone who had, er, _religious and political issues_ with the _powers that be_ in Boston.
Unless my history is bad, Ike wasn't a Founding Father (TM).
As far as sexuality goes. My country is so damn schizophrenic (The US) because of the Right Wing Nuts like Falwell et. al, who are products of bible-thumping-sex-scared-morons who forget that the reference to "fornication" in the Bible isn't about premarital sex, but a general reference to sex without love. The same goes for the misreading about Onan, and the misreading about why God nuked Sodom.
God's main reason to nuke Sodom was because the residents were "Rich With Bread" while they didn't give a tinker's damn about the poor, and Onan's bit was about disobeying God, not about masturbation. God sez *nothing* about masturbation in the Bible, and I defy any Bible reader to come up with anything that shows it in full context.
And as to fornication....sex within a marriage without love is more of a sin than sex with someone you love that isn't married to you.
To be married to someone who thinks that sex is only for procreation must be pure hell.
I pity your wife, if you have one.
Go read the Bible sometime without the Dark Glasses.
Anyhoo.
People should lighten up. Life is too short to get your shorts in a bunch about whether or not the Japanese believe in your special brand of God or not.
In the point of view of serious Christian Fundies, the non-believers will be tossed into the Lake of Fire at the end of Revelations. For God to just simply toss away the non-Christians sounds to me to be elitist and definitely un-Christian in attitude. There's a paradox here, and I think it's because that some people are missing the entire point of Christianity.
As for schools, the reason Johnny can't read has more to do with fuzzy-minded academics who write tomes on what new teaching method they've invented but not tested, but then get implemented because some brain damaged school committes/boards of education that can't tell their collective asses from their elbows. The Sexy New Methods get implemented while the Tried And True gets tossed, to the detriment of all.
It has nothing to do with whether or not Johnny can get whacked by the teacher with a 2*4 or be subject to institutionalized prayer. The latter is a *bogus* issue in the first place because Johnny can pray *any time, anywhere, even silently, because God Hears All, doesn't He?*
OB anime:
I have a question, why does so much english dubbing Suck So Much? I mean, some of the translation in Ghost in the Shell sounded so stilted it made me cringe. It was a cool movie, but I think I would have rather bought the Japanese version with subtitles instead.
:-/
That's because this is a long story (Score:1)
Or how much Charlie Rose charges for a tape of his show? $80 (get the one where he interviews Kurt Vonnegut).
How's this: Save up if you want some.
This isn't just a Hollywood blockbuster you can get on DVD for $30 (90 minutes avg).
You're getting a heck of a lot more content here than you would from a movie release.
It's like asking why a play costs more than a movie.
Second it costs money to put stuff on TV. It wasn't free. It was in exchange for advertising.
You got it through your cable service. Now you're getting it recorded professionally direct from the licensed distributors and producers.
Are we going to ask people why something that lasted for for SEVERAL MONTHS doesn't cost as much as something that last for BARELY TWO HOURS?
A lot of work goes into anime, though it's funny you should ask because American cartoons cost broadcasters much more than anime does.
Lastly, the other reason it costs so much is that compared to live action filmed works, the painstaking work anime artists do is much more exhausting (though, much more rewarding IMHO).
Then again there's the exception: Dragonball Z
ADV fixed them (whe/where is the theatre release) (Score:1)
In response to criticism of the audio work, ADV has changed its recording house.
They're no VKLL, but they get the job done.
Now folks, don't you wish you could get that kind of response out of politicians?
Personally I'm going to stick w/ the VCDs from ebay until I can guarantee DVD drives work on my future Amigas. Since Linux runs on the boxes I don't see why not.
Btw just so you guys don't start fudding:
Why amiga?
I love it when an architure with a P60 class processor and 16MB of RAM can play mp3s better than a standard PC with a P133 and 64MB of RAM. Even if you run the same OS (Linux) on them.
Anyway all I want to know is when and where in New York is there a theater release of the movies?
Movie isn't new (Score:1)
Secondly, c'mon taco, you knew about these movies before hand. Death & Rebirth true, has been out for quite some time and so has EoE. Some may not like Death and Rebith much, but EoE is awesome.
Personally I think EoE helps bring the series to a closure...if there ever is such a thing in that series. It also explains what happens to a alot of the characters in the final 2 eps. We see several people die off and never find out till EoE, well Kaji is still a mystery.
I've had Eva- D&R... (Score:1)
I'd Just like to say... (Score:1)
I think there are probably some good issues brought up (at least in the terms of morality and such) But before you watch any of it, you would need to understand some psychology among other things, like Japanese culture, I imagine.
I suppose it could be considered "deep", although i would call it more "Disturbing". I am really truly convinced that the popping of people was totally unnecissary. There isn't much way to describe it except to say that it -is- disturbing. I would admit that some of this could be due to the difference of culture-- but i was seriously freaked out by the twisting of biblical/religious stories/facts. I'm not a stickler about this, but DAMN, this was some weird stuff.
The anime that is closest (That i have seen) to this level of disturbedness is Lain. A lot of death, pain, suffering, anguish and loneliness. Not the kind of thing you want to watch in one sitting.
It undeniably was visually stunning, albiet in a sort of trippy way. It does offer a sensible explanation for the other various weirdnesses(Which i'm sure isn't a real word) in the series, but in retrospect i would rather not have watched it.
However, if you do want to watch something truly mentally stimulating, and aren't particularly concerned with your sanity, please be my guest and watch it. It really is quite excellent in a strange, arabesque way.
And no hard feelings to y'all that liked it. We're all entitled to our opinions, and thats mine.
Will it be censored? probably (Score:1)
Re:Why is anime so expensive? (Score:1)
In fact, the old evangelion sub vhs cost 30$ FOR 2 EPISODES. thats more then 50 cents a min.
the dvds are a steal.
for more info see animeondvd [animeondvd.com] (shameless plug for my friends).
Re:ADV fixed them (whe/where is the theatre releas (Score:1)
good for you for pirating anime, with any luck anime companies (who are already doing very poorly financially due to rampant piracy) will go compleatly out of buisness, then there will be no more anime for anyone else.
Re:USA anime companies are the worst kind. (Score:1)
Re:Evangelion (Score:1)
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Re:Hmm... Not worth it. (Score:1)
Re:What's with this? (Score:1)
Not necessarily anime, could also be discussion fora on the Web...
Re:Evangelion? (Score:1)
I did get the "meaning" of the show, thankyouverymuch,I just happen to think that it was too dryly and abstractly presented, as well as wrapped in too many pretentions. If you're gonna tell a story, you can't just abandon large parts of it when they don't interest you any more. A story isn't an essay.
I also explicitly said that Gainax made better stuff than Evangelion - Gunbuster being one example.
Re:Evangelion? (Score:1)
Re:Eva Movie mini-review (Score:1)
Hmm... Not worth it. (Score:1)
But if I remember correctly, Death and Rebirth are like two different movies in one. Death is a short recap of the TV series. And Rebirth is a replacement for episodes 25 and 26... but also basically the first half of the newer movie "End of Evangelion".
In other words, it's better just to wait for End Of Eva. It's basically Eva:Rebirth with a few alterations, a continuation, and a very final conclusion. Seeing both would just mean a lot of repetition.
IMO, whether you see End of Eva at all should depend on what type of ending you like. Basically it's an alternative ending to please the crowds that were spamming them to death about having an unsatisfying ending on the TV series.
Without wishing to spoil it (stop now if you don't even want to know whether each ending is happy or not. Even then it is still speculation, it's just how happy the ending *appears* to be.)
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I'll go so far as to say that the TV ending is "happy, but not very conclusive - lots of questions left unanswered". And End Of Eva is the "Gruesome, shocking ending that will please anyone who likes lots of violence, but they do not seem to live happily ever after if that's your thing."
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or. . . . (Score:1)
Or IRC
or FTP
Or streamload
Or or or or, I'm sure you get the idea.
Releasing movie sub's long after VERY high quality Fan Subs have been aviable is hardly a momentious feat, I personaly don't see as to why the companies just don't pay the fansubs a translation fee afterwords and release the damn thing right away, it would save everybody alot of money and waiting. . . . .
oh well, heh, I just burned those movies a few days ago to CD, hehe, the entertainment industry is DEFINTLY behind the internet when it comes to doing almsot anything. . . . .
shame though, I am more then willing to pay for it, but I won't pay $30+ for something that I downloaded on someone elses bandwidth. Any chance I can paypal them over a $5 or so gratuidy fee? You know, something like
"Heya, nice movie, nice series, already got it, I'm saving a tree and not buying the boxed version, but I want to give the artists credit anyways, so heres some cash, enjoy, toodles."
Shit, as stated above, saves on resources (although I suspect that before long Bandwidth will beconsidered a resource by the mainstream community just like anything else, after all, it is limited by the laws of the universe just like anything else, heh, please, no oddball physics, show me free unlimited bandwidth then I'll go the alternative theory route!) and it doesn't have me end up with duplicates. . . .
Re:Evangelion? (Score:1)
"properly"?
If by "properly" you mean "to those who are desperate to retain a sense of coolness now that anime is growing popular," I guess you're right. We're all so impressed that you know the Japanese title.
Gainax seems fine with the title translation Neon Genesis Evangelion, so that seems "proper" enough for me. In English, at least. Which, near as I can tell, is the language of this conversation.
It's pretty late, and maybe I'm just cranky, but I have little patience for those who insist on belittling every fan who's gotten into anime recently. Hey, I've been an anime fan for many years too. If I feel the need, I'll pat myself on the back for being at the head of the wave. But mostly I'll just enjoy the fact that more fans means that more anime makes its way to the US.
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Re:Evangelion Sucks (Score:1)
There is more insightfulness and depth in a single Clamp story than there is in all of Evangelion put together.
If you're including Clamp School Detectives in this, then you're a lot better at finding depth than I am...
But seriously: CLAMP does rock, but so I think does Eva. Even if your summary of Eva were accurate, I could write an equally dismissive plot summary of Hamlet, Don Quixote, or any great work you care to mention.
Plots are useful, but the magic of a story is in the telling.
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Re:Why is anime so expensive? (Score:1)
Also, _Shoujo_Kakumei_Utena_ DVDs have 7 eps apiece and cost $39.99 retail (a little higher, and also closer to normal "4 eps for $25" pricing). Not to mention that these are usually found for less, as the prices I have quoted are retail.
Anyway, why is this story news? Didn't the Eva movies come out in 1997? I guess it's kind of nice ADV is finally releasing them in America (if anyone still cares about Eva anymore, which I don't), but getting them out in a timely manner obviously wasn't a high priority.
Re:Before you make comments... (Score:1)
Re:Anime (Score:1)
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However, I'm sure you can start www.hickdot.org for all your drinking, cousin fucking, racial intolerance, reading problems, etc.
otherwise, go troll some OS X post or something.. here I'll leave something for you to cut and paste, so you can copy all the other trolls.
"I wish slashdot would stop posting all these stories about apple. This is not news for nerds or stuff that matters. No nerds that I know use apple shite (at least I don't). And if I, with my bloated ego and bloated asshole, don't approve of it, then it is not Stuff that Matters. Slashdot should post more Goatse.cx and repeat stories!"
Login next time. You can still post anon.. I won't tho.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Re:Not right! (Score:1)
Took 'em long enough (Score:1)
Re:dub trolls like you are so boring (Score:1)
Re:Evangelion Sucks (Score:1)
Re:USA anime companies are the worst kind. (Score:1)
Lemme throw a few names around.
Hecto, Shinsengumi( okay, so they're the same thing...), Arctic, Techno girls( I'm afraid of any translation group that decides it wants to translate something as ^_^;;;;;;, atleast I think it was techno girls that translated it that way.)
Anyway you get my point. Fansubs are just that. Fan subtitled works. Sure, The Tylor DVD boxset missed an ep, but that was a pure accident. And that's ONE company, other companies have been better.
I've seen fansub groups decided to not sub certain episodes just because they don't think the ep isn't good enough or important to the plot enough. ( I've seen sets of Fushigi No Umi no Nadia missing the episodes where they're stuck on the desert island, because the translator found it boring! )
[end fanboy rant]
Re:The last tape.... (Score:1)
originally, the release of the last tv episodes was delayed for some time. . . when the movie finally came out, episode 25 (tv) and 25' (first half of end of eva) came out on one ld. shortly thereafter, epsiodes 26 and 26' were released, in genesis 0:14, which sent me into a mad frenzy of tape-searching when i first saw a poster for it. ^_^
is it better to watch the movie split up like that, with the last two tv episodes maintaining the psychological reality of the series?
obviously i think so.
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one more thing, though. . . first, the scripts for english dubs tend to be written by translators, not scriptwriters. neil gaiman's involvement in mononoke hime is, imo, the biggest factor contributing to that dub's non-suckiness.
second, the dubbing in japanese is usually done ensemble, where the voice actors are together, doing their voices at the same time, and actually interacting. (as opposed to american dubbing, which usually has one actor, in a room, reading lines cold and guessing at the character interactions.) the previews for
chris
Re:oh boy (Score:1)
Re:It depends on what kind of quality you want (Score:1)
take
japanese consumers are willing to pay for that kind of quality. tv series tend to use bitrates that we in the u.s. would think of as reasonable. . . but consider that laserdisc players are very solidly entrenched in the japanese market, and the few hdld's i know of are all japanese release.
there are obsessed fans out there, (not necessarily of anime) willing to pay for the best prerecorded media avaliable. scary, isn't it?
chris
mod up! (Score:1)
They got rich from sucka's like us and I bet Valentina from the mpaa is laughing his ass off right now after watching his opponets here on
... to pay the mpaa for its lawyers and lobbyists (Score:1)
Do any of you remember the story here on slashdot a few days back where microsoft crippled its own mp3 recording software and said " studies have shown consumers are like sheep who eat up wahtever you give them"? Well, THis is why the stupid dvd's are $18-35 bucks. Stop being hypocrites guys and post anti-mpa messages one day and then talk about buying every dvd known to man and pay off lobbyest who control what you do whith your prodcuts so they can raise prices even more!
Grrr!
If everyone refues to pay for this the price will go down and the mpaa might be a little bit more friendly. I also would like people reading this to also check out the recent
Evangelion Sucks (Score:1)
There is more insightfulness and depth in a single Clamp story than there is in all of Evangelion put together.
The only thing more boring than Evangelion is Dragon Ball Z. At least Evangelion has Asuka.
Let me plagerize [rpgamer.com], and save y'all $350 worth of videos. The plot follows:
Gendo is my father. MY NAME IS SHINJI AND I SUCK! Asuka: Yes, you do suck, Shinji! Rei: She's right, Shinji. You suck. Hoji: YEAH! You suck! Unit-00: You suck. NERV Agent: YOU SUCK, SHINJI!(There used to be a "thumbnail evangelion archive", but I can't find it. Anyone know the link?)
A few points on Evangelion (Score:1)
Now I got my copy from the guy who runs the local collectors shop, He is also an Evangelion fan and his *friend* who travels through Japan got him a copy and he, in turn, made me a copy. It has been distributed like that for some time, especially here in Australia (Where manga is, well, HUGE)
But this is the japanese version, with subtitles, not an english dubbed version, where as this release will be both. Happy as piss about that!
Secondly, it isn't a movie as such. anyone who remembers the last two episodes may, or may not, agree that it was a bit abstract. I enjoyed them and I felt it was an excellent end to Shinji's struggle within himself, but as an end to Evangelion... It left me a bit wanting. The *Movies* are really another two episodes (long episodes) to end Evangelion, all the issues that where developing all through the series with Rei, Seele, Gendo, Nerv, etc... are dealt with and resolved (more or less).
Anyway, that's my two bob worth, I personally cannot wait for it, even though I have a copy of the Japanese version, I will still be buying it.
Trav
Americian Cartoon Vs Japanese Anime (Score:1)
In Americia cartoon are for kids, period. if it's drawn it must be for children, because real adults don't want to watch animation. What a dumb arse theroy.
In Japan, animation/drawn is just another way to make films. and some excellent ones are.
And to anyone who believes that cartoons are silly, remember that the Matrix, a hugely popular movie, pulled a LOT of tricks from Manga films.
So, wake up and smell the coffee, or alternativly, ignore the Anime section of slashdot, your choice.
Trav
Wow (Score:1)
This was on Anime on DVD [animeondvd.com] a couple days ago.
The ACTUAL release date for both is October 30 (which is a Tuesday, the most common day for new releases).
And yes, like Taco-san, I'm waiting to get Eva 6 as well. May the mayhem continue!
Re:USA anime companies are the worst kind. (Score:1)
The Tylor DVD boxed set was shipped with 5 minutes of footage missing. Nothing critical, but still annoying. No one noticed it until AFTER it had shipped. They didn't go "oh fuck it, let's ship anyways."
THEY HAVE ALREADY PREPARED NEW DISCS, AND ARE PREPARING FOR A SWAPOUT.
And you only need $3.75 for shipiing. ANYWHERE ON THIS PLANET.
USA anime companies are dragged down by a notable few (ADV, CPM, VIZ) but those that try (Pioneer, Bandai, TRSI, Media Blasters) create excellent stuff. And ADV, Bandai, Pioneer, Media Blasters, Animeigo, and many others do listen. www.animeondvd.com has a message board where various studio representatives do talk with fans. That's where the primary movement against overlays in EVA was carried out (and look, no more overlays). As well the discovery of the bug on Tylor disc 4.
You sound like someone who just downloads anime for free, and likes to whine about companies who actually take the time to bring it over to the states.
Re:I've had Eva- D&R... (Score:1)
Get the Manga release, and you support Gainax, instead of a bunch of Taiwanese bootleggers.
You'd want to think twice... (Score:1)
Persoanlly I purchased the Jap version and watched and I'm highly dissapointed with it. Why? simple I fell asleep during Air: End of Evangelion. The only interesting bit is during the Rebirth part (when Asuka really kicks some a**) other than that it's nothing more than just some flashy re-caps of the series and tying up all the loose ends (well sorta).
I only would reccomend you purchase this if you want to complete your Eva set or you're a die hard fan.
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Anime on Slashdot (Score:1)
Every time one of these anime posts appears, there are endless trolls and hostile comments towards this catagory. People respond saying "turn off the catagory" if you don't want to see it. So what's the problem then? Why are people not getting the message? Why does the anime catagory still suffer from trolls? No other catagory has the problem to this extreme. Not even Jon Katz.
Maybe a poll is in action? Frankly there are rarely any decent comments in an anime discussion that I don't think we'll be missing anything if it goes. Anyone?
Re:What's with this? (Score:1)
Re:anime (Score:1)
And besides, not all anime is like Sailor Moon or Dragonball Z (two of the poorer examples of the type, IMO)
Re:cartoons (Score:1)
Anyone who's seen even one episode of Evangelion knows that it is most definitely NOT for kids. Hell, It's too weird for some adults I know.
You're stuck in the typical American mindset that animation is just for kids. You couldn't possibly be more wrong. While it may be that way in the States, Japanese animation covers just about every topic and genre, from kid's shows to pornography. Very little is taboo.
Next time, try learning a little about the subject before you start making broad generalizations. Better to keep your mouth shut and have everyone think you're a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.
Re:oh boy (Score:1)
Because American animation sucks. That, and those are KID'S shows. I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Anime is hardly just for kids. The subjects run the gamut from the kid's stuff all the way up to some very adult material...oh, what's the use. It's not like anyone's actually listening to me.
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If xtianity were the solver bullet to civilizations miseries, there never would have been miseries. Think about that one oh evangelical-right-wing-red-neck-I-wanna-be-God sheeple. Your 'religeon' (not to be confused with faith) started this wonderful trend toward debauchery, and the axploitation of humanity at the cost of itself, let alone the exploitation of the the planet by your 'ever so enlightened' species. You might read from your literature, but you certainly don't follow it.
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Re:Death and Rebirth... ho hum. End of Eva good! (Score:1)
"At first, the remade episodes 25 and 26 were supposed to be released in OVA, but during production it was decided that it would be a theatre release. There is a "EVANGELION DEATH AND REBIRTH" (Shito Shinsei) which consists of the summary episode of the TV series "Death" and the new remade "Air" which serves as a climax. However, since later the content of the remake grew to an unexpected proportion, the content shown in "REBIRTH" was actually 2/3 of the new episode 25. As the first part of the final, "EVANGELION DEATH and REBIRTH" was shown in March 1997. (from Red Cross Book [eva2000.com])
As the series continues, it does seem like budget concerns were an issue as the series progressed, but the last few episodes of the series do make sense within the context of the show. I just happen to think the last couple episodes of the TV series don't hold a candle to what is presented in End of Evangelion. That is art, and it is beautiful.
I also haven't seen Death & Rebirth, but I can see where you'd want to have it. I'd like to watch that and get a brief reminder or events and then be able to watch EoE again, otherwise I think I wouldn't get as much out of it going into EoE cold.
Oh well, hopefully Manga doesn't screw these up (ahem, Wings of Honneamise) and we'll have a nice set. And hopefully ADV re-releases the first dvd with better quality and no overlays. Then life will be good.
iluvpr0n.
Re:Why is anime so expensive? (Score:1)
200 min 1st dvd = $29.99
165 min 2nd dvd = $29.99
160 min 3rd dvd = $29.99
Quite a bargain, and the show's pretty good stuff. Kinda explores some of the same themes that Serial Experiments: Lain did, but not quite as good as that. Still, a great deal for a 15 episode series.
iluvpr0n.
Re:That's because this is a long story (Score:2)
A play costs more than a movie because your audience is far more limited and you actually have to pay the actors for several hours of work each time they perform.
Fine. I have no problem with them putting advertisements every 15 minutes in exchange for lowering the price of the DVD to the price of production + distribution (under $5). They already place advertisements on the damn DVDs which you sometimes can't even fast forward through every 2-4 episodes that are up to 10 minutes long.
Actually I got it from DirectTV broadcast at nearly the same quality as a DVD. Well, Farscape at least given I can't get much else.
Several months? My lord, you don't watch enough TV. A day for most stuff. Maybe a week for some of the long running stuff.
Lets keep things in perspective. We are talking about a medium which consists mostly of static backgrounds, significant amount of reused drawings and very little post processing. Compare that to something like Star Trek which takes an insane amount of money to produce and even that contains relatively small amount of sfx.
Re:Why is anime so expensive? (Score:2)
The distributors of anime, like the distributors of any copyrighted material, are monopolists. And monopolists, you should recall from Microeconomics 101, are price-seekers. Rather than accepting the market price as given, and trying to sell as many as possible at that price (which occurs in a competitive market), the monopolist would rather sell fewer units at a higher price, if this is what will maximize profit.
In the market for a Hollywood blockbuster, there are some who are willing to pay more, say $30, for a DVD, and a bunch who are willing to pay less, say $20. (I'm just making these numbers up.) The seller maximizes profit by setting the price at $20.
In the smaller market for anime, there are some who are willing to pay $30, and some who are willing to pay $20: but not as many as are willing to pay $20 for the Hollywood blockbuster. There aren't as many lost sales by pricing the release at $30, so the seller maximizes profit by selling at $30.
This is why in a non-competitive market, as the market gets larger, the price goes down. Remember how much VHS tapes cost back in the day? When only the video stores (who were willing to pay more) were buying them, the damn things cost $80. Now that VCRs are ubiquitous, they're "priced to sell".
The same reasoning applies to why they don't put more content on anime DVDs. They lose sales by putting only four episodes on a DVD when they could put eight on a DVD; but they don't lose enough sales to make up for what they gain by putting out twice as many to sell to those willing to pay for less material. (Again, I'm making the numbers up, since I don't have a DVD player. I still watch my anime on VHS.)
'Tis the nature of non-competitive markets. Unfortunately, we haven't figured out a better way to give the creators of artistic works incentive to create, other than granting them monopoly privilege over the reproduction of their work.
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Re:Death and Rebirth... ho hum. End of Eva good! (Score:2)
End of Eva, on the other hand, was fan-pacification attempt. People who watched eva solely for the giant mecha were disappointed with the psychological ending, and so GAINAX gave them what they wanted. All in all, the original ending is really more true to the series; End of Eva is just a bit more fun.
is it just me, or are sweeping generalizations... (Score:2)
Hint: If you want them to stop running, stop shooting.
Re:That's because this is a long story (Score:2)
The processing on Star trek requires computers which cuts manual work done.
I still think anime is much more time consuming and nerve damaging to produce. But that's just me.
It could just be the expected audience size. Then again of all the irony England had La Blue Girl in theatres.
Re:Anime on Slashdot (Score:2)
However, I have been enjoying the simpsons news, the star wars news [to some degree], the LOTR news, an the star trek news ... so I can only immagine that to some the anime news is intersting...
It is interesting to note that alot of the science news dosen't make it on the main page, but anime seems to :)
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Re:Evangelion? (Score:2)
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Re:Anime on Slashdot (Score:2)
I would be excited but... (Score:2)
-gerbik
Re:Death and Rebirth... ho hum. End of Eva good! (Score:2)
-gerbik
Re:I would be excited but... (Score:2)
-gerbik
Re:What's with this? (Score:2)
Good list. Here's another entry:
I don't yet have a good response to those kinds of posts, but I sure am tired of them.
(And though I don't want to sound like the kind of jerk I'm talking about above, you might be interested to know that "otaku" is more of a general term for any kind of obsessive geek. In addition to anime otaku, there are video game otaku, military hardware otaku, idol singer otaku, tropical fish otaku...and, of course, computer otaku. Like folks who are up at 2am posting to Slashdot...)
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Re:I would be excited but... (Score:2)
On a similar note, (Score:2)
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Why is anime so expensive? (Score:3)
I'm also curious why they put so few episodes on each DVD. Paying $18-35 for something which was broadcast for free on TV just to have to pay another $500 to get the entire story from beginning to end is silly.
Sure a two hour movie is the same price, but it is typically a complete story, not 1% of a story leaving me with some sense of completion. I personally don't like walking away from a movie with questions about what happens next.
All I really want is a complete set in a nice box for a single price with DVDs which are filled to capacity so I don't have to get up all the time and watch silly commercials I've watched 12 times before and some brain dead transitions between episodes which breaks the mood.
Is that too much to ask?
Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Re:Death and Rebirth... ho hum. End of Eva good! (Score:3)
I have sat outside viewing rooms at Cons discussing the merits of End of Evangelion (particularly Purest Heart) as a cinematic tone poem. Plenty of well educated people see the final ending as an incredibly executed "thust of non-plot emotion". The montages and music are timed perfecly, the symbolism is well planned and executed; the movie stands as a great piece of Art.
The problem is, the first part of the series was "children piloting big robots". So if you got into the series because of that, you were pretty much pissed off by End... *particularly* if you like endings that tie everything up, and everybody is happy. This does NOT finish anything plotwise, and is NOT a simple, happy ending, but it is very satifying... *if* and only if you are used to such endings. I.e., if you watch a bunch of "art films". I'm not saying it's "better than a Hollywood movie", just that it is a very different kind of movie, and will appeal to a very different crowd.
I watched all of Eva because someone kept telling me during the beginning "Don't worry - there's more to it than this". The first time I watched it, we watched all 26 episodes, then Death and Rebirth, and then all of End of Evangelion, all back to back over the course of a long weekend (pausing only around ep. 20 to go do Rocky Horror, and then coming back to finish up). That was a great experience, and I recommend it as a way to get the whole experience.
And yes, the DVDs suck. I have a HDTV front projection system, and the *average* VCD (legit ones, not "home made") has far better quality than Eva DVD 1. Ick.
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What's with this? (Score:3)
1. Anime is crap (no reason)
2. Anime is crap (because they're childish cartoons)
3. Anime is bad because it's made by the immoral Japanese.
4. Anime isn't geek news
5. CmdrTaco thinks he's some anime expert
To stop this madness right now I'll reply to them all:
1. Worthless opinion. Clarify it!
2. You haven't watched a decent amount of anime to judge it.
3. To the Japanese, Americans are a bunch of fat idiots who bombed then in WW2. Get off your high pedistal.
4. The term for "anime geek" in Japanese is otaku.
5. Taco has his strengths and weaknesses in anime as well as everybody else. Take his opinion with a grain of salt.
Peace
Death and Rebirth... ho hum. End of Eva good! (Score:3)