Dinosaur Robots Will Do My Bidding! 63
k-k-k-Ken writes: "Saw an interesting article in Forbes about Dinosaur Robots For Sale. While the bots are far from mass production, I can't help but wonder if this is another step in the direction of Jurassic Park meets the Terminator. Once the mobility has been worked out, the AI is the next logical step. Still, I can't help myself and would probably be one of the first to go get a 'Troody' ..." MIT also has a nifty article up about Dilworth and his robots, including links to the Leg Lab where the springy joints mentioned in the article are being developed.
Move over Aibo (Score:1)
Secret windows code
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Re:link to quicktime movie (Score:1)
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Jurassic Park meets Terminator? (Score:1)
entertainment computing will drive A.I. (Score:2)
The driving force for A.I. in my opinion will come out of the entertainment computing industry. These including gaming/movie characters with realistic behaviors and robo-toys. Conventional computing labs are driven by making money in business or beating the military enemy. However, nothing is more stimulating than "play". The MIT Media Lab has worked a bit on this.
Robot Wars? Battle Bots? (Score:2)
Much better than my "Go Away!" doormat... (Score:1)
I disagree. (Score:1)
You don't have to read it, thats why this moderation system is in effect. As a matter of fact, if you get modded down as an AC enough, your I.P. gets blocked. So what more do you want? Would you like to work for free for slashdot, reading and editing every post instantly, without removing any that I decided I might find amusing on a whim? As a matter of fact, if there were any kind of automated censorship going on, you would find even more useless posts. I for one, would find it tremedously amusing to see how much I could get through the system.
I don't like these posts much either, but what words are you going to search for to filter them? Haven't you read ANY of the censorware discussions on here?
Re:I disagree. (Score:1)
Jurassic Park meets the Terminator (Score:2)
.... oh, and they try to put it on display in los angelas and it goes nuts ala Godzilla for a while.
Re:Dinobots Transform! (Score:1)
but, I will see to it that if anyone ever makes real working transformers, and I mean giant humaniods that turn into dinosaurs, fighter jets, big rigs, or 80's hot rods, then they will get millions upon millions of dollars.
Hell instead of spending half a trillion (at least) on missile defence that won't work lets spend it on tranformer research!
link to quicktime movie (Score:2)
Re:another step towards extermination (Score:1)
You want them _smarter_ ? (Score:2)
Just as we start to build the first city-block trashing mechasaurs, you want to make them as smart as one of Cthulthu's grandchildren ? Isn't a big dumb dinosaur scarey enough for you ?
Never trust anything with tentacles and no backbone.
Yeesh (Score:3)
Re:Dinobots Transform! (Score:1)
There is no escape. I, Galvatron will crush you just as the magnificent Megatron crushed Prime!
The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned.
Supertoys! (Score:1)
Before you mod that as offtopic ... (Score:1)
Raibert, legged locomotion, etc. (Score:4)
Gil Pratt took over the Leg Lab, and focused more on actuator design. Raibert's machines worked, but needed hydraulic, electrical, and pneumatic umbilicals. Better machine design has produced more compact robots.
The idea of springy joints has been around for a while. [toronto.edu] It's common to model muscles as springs and dampers for which the spring constant, neutral point, and damping factor are adjustable. It's well-known that in mammal running, most of the energy of each stride is stored as spring energy in muscles. (As I recall, about 80% of the energy is recycled for the next stride, so this is a big win.) There's been work at Stanford on flexible manipulators [stanford.edu], although that's more related to arms. McGill [mcgill.ca] has a small, high-efficiency hopping machine.
Unless you use pneumatic actuators, off the shelf components aren't well-matched for this approach motion control. That doesn't mean it can't be done, but you spend a lot of time on component development. That's what the Leg Lab has been focusing on under Pratt, and that's why the little dinosaur model was tough to build.
Rod Brooks from MIT also tried a robotic startup, IS Robotics, which produced a $100K robotic insect. Didn't sell. It's really hard to sell mobile robots; I've known several people with failed startups.
I work on this sort of thing for games and animation. [animats.com]
Episode 3? (Score:1)
Forget this CG crap, for Episode 3 I want C3-P0 to be a real live, autonomous robot actor, programmed with Anthony Daniels' voice!
National Monument could benefit... (Score:2)
cool! (Score:3)
Dinobots Transform! (Score:5)
Looks good and all, but what about power? (Score:1)
sigs are for k1dz
You know it's kind of sad but, (Score:1)
Yeah, but... (Score:1)
You don't need AI (Score:1)
I think the better way to go with robots is the Mark Tilden route--BEAM [lanl.gov]
BEAM could work for large robots as well as it does for the bug size. As someone already pointed out dinosaurs had walnut sized brains. At the present time AI is so far from being feasible that you would only dely the introduction of truly useful robots while waiting for AI to catch up.
The interesting thing about Tilden's robots is they do inexplicable things like "learn"--they "remember" how to avoid obsticals, etc. Their resemblance to bugs is incredible.
Remember: Dinosaurs disappeared--cockroaches and beetles didn't.
I'll pay fifty dollars for one! (Score:1)
AKA, the 'Pip' principle.
Can anyone comment in an intelligent and informed manner how much something like this would cost if you mass-produced, say, a half-million of them?
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Can't wait until... (Score:1)
Dinosaurs fate (Score:1)
Seems dinosuars always end up getting frozen: ice ages, financial straits, when are they gonna learn and be warm blooded, oh wait... [slashdot.org]
Re:Cool! (Score:1)
Re:AI? (Score:1)
Steven
Not for home or personal use (Score:2)
And he's looking at charging 100,000 bucks to buy one or lease one for 2,000 a month. After growing up in an era of T-Rexes with foam skin that looks like someone picked at it and pulled chunks out of it at my local natural history museum, I'd be happy to see something more realistic, even if it's smaller. And I bet his robots wouldn't cost much more than those foam and girder monsters.
Steven
he should be working with honda... (Score:2)
I can't wait until i see a honda asimo [honda.com] taking troody for a walk down 5th avenue...
100000 simoleons for a dinobot ? (Score:1)
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Re:AI? (Score:1)
The only thing that's really needed is a good open-sourced vision-parsing API, for things to really start happening in the AI field. Let some genius scientists do the really dirty work and then open up the results up to every programmer on earth.
another step towards extermination (Score:5)
Another step? You mean this is the latest in a long line of attempts to build robotic dinosaurs to extirminate humanity, and the trend has escaped my attention until now?
SNL? (Score:2)
"Most insurance companies offer NO robot insurance protection." We see a man attacked in his garden by rampaging robot. Fake Scientist: "Robots are very big and very strong. They can hurt you. When they grip you in their super-strong steel claws, they just don't let go." Old person: "I don't even know why the scientists make the robots."
Me Grimlock Angry!!! (Score:1)
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Movie plot: Rental Robots Rampage! (Score:3)
I can see it now, a kid will rent one of these babies, maybe a T-rex model, and hack it to kill off his classmates.
They're killing machines, those dinosaur robots
By the time they figure it out
Mr. Burns (Score:1)
Intelligent dinosaurs? (Score:2)
Didn't the dinosaurs die because they were too stupid?
Giant steel moveable dino sculptures... (Score:2)
Sooner or later... (Score:1)
Seeka
Re:AI? (Score:1)
The squid is actually a very intelligent animal, with capabilities exceding most of the other animals living in the sea.
The squid is probably the most intelligent animal in the world if you don't take mammals in consideration. It is even smarter than most of the mammals.
Btw.. I think I've found something that would be nice to work with.
Re:Looks good and all, but what about power? (Score:2)
Guess what I'm going to try and build with my lego tomorrow...
AI? (Score:3)
How about you come up with an AI as intelligent as a squid before you start having nightmares of rampaging intelligent dinosaur robots.
Dancin Santa
Re:another step towards extermination (Score:3)
Hell, Dancin Santa is step #43005.
Dancin Santa
It would make more sense... (Score:1)
Re:Dude, this summer I'm going to have fun. (Score:1)
Kick some tail! (Score:2)
Dude, this summer I'm going to have fun. (Score:1)
security at MIT (Score:1)
it would be simple good sense for them to at least have a plan, or some big sliding steel doors or something. and a helicopter with machine guns.
Major asshole patent. (Score:2)
"The technology behind Falling Bodies is now patented. This broad patent covers most spring/damper character simulation systems. If it falls, it has joints, it looks right, and it works right, it's probably covered by our patent."
Unbelievable. It seems to be nicely tuned, but it's a dead obvious concept.
Anyone who files a bogus (or bogusly broad) patent should be held financially responsible for the damage it causes by threatening innovators. Yeah, it would be a nightmare to work out, but at least it would give people some reason not to just reach for as much patent control as possible.
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As Michael might say: (Score:2)
The video is horribly slow to download.
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Re:Sooner or later... (Score:2)
I think, more important than entertainment, is that technology like this will someday make wheelchairs obsolete.
Right now a wheelchair that can climb stairs runs about 25 grand... But imagine attaching robotic 'legs' (maybe just supports?) to someone paralized from the waist down, allowing them the freedom they had before they were paralized!
RC
Big Deal (Score:1)
I love this quote! (Score:1)
Personally I believe that if the military can find a use for a technology then they will use it. The technology just needs to become practical and just affordable enough for the military to use it.
If this technology progresses fast enough and the robot legs can be made to run at speads nearing 35 miles per hour over rough terrain, you better believe the military will create walking, running and leaping howitzers.
It might be interesting to see if they do decide to go the AI or the human pilot route. I would imagine that the human pilot route would be safer, as there would be little chance of the unit being reprogrammed.
Of course this is all conjecture and a moot point until someone can come up with a very powerful and renewable powerplant for such a robot. Something akin to the fictional fusion reactors of the Battletech game would probably suffice.
Cool! (Score:1)
I presume the Leg Lab will make more life-like joints for the creatures. I'd like to see one soon.
This is why ACs shouldn't be allowed to post (Score:1)
Wheels are best for Battlebots (Score:1)
Re:I disagree. (Score:1)
No worries (Score:2)