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Chapter 11 For Excite@Home

timothy posted more than 13 years ago | from the back-to-your-old-tricks-in-chapters-4-5-and-6 dept.

The Almighty Buck 141

n8twj writes: "According to this story at CNET News, Excite@Home, the leading provider of broadband Internet access, said Friday it will file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and sell its high-speed network to AT&T for $307 million in cash." jgbrown adds: "@Home files for Chapter 11, they are going to sell their assets to AT&T unless they get a higher offer. Here is a Yahoo News link." An Anonymous Coward adds a link to a story at cnnfn.com." Just like Loki and Exodus, this doesn't mean that Excite@Home has dropped off the face of the earth -- it does mean that are seeking legal protection from creditors in an attempt to reorganize.

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bitchin' (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367682)

pirst frosted

When good muslims go bad.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367711)

Our precious slashdot trolls scream out for vengeance:

1. Kill all Camel Jockeys.
2. Kill all Mohammedans.
3. Kill all Dune Coons.
4. Kill all Rag Heads.
5. Kill all Towelheads.
6. Kill all Arabs.
7. Kill all Camel Rooters.
8. Kill all Osama Bin Laden supporters.

Nuke their countries to hell.
Nuke them again.
Death to Islam.

I piss on Mecca. I wipe my ass with the Koran. I spit upon Mohammed.

Sex is dead (Ken Hickey) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367717)

Saturday evening. Had 3 pints of beer, 9 to go.

---------

"What do you want from me?"

"I want you to admit it."

"Admit what?"

"That I'm beautiful. I am beautiful and you know it."

"You're about as beautiful as an empty fifty gallon drum."

"Bullshit. You want it and that's a fact."

"I just want to be left alone"

"You're not a man. You're pathetic."

"That angle won't work here: I don't have any respect for myself let alone the male animal."

"Well, that says it all -- you don't even respect yourself."

"Fuck respect. I'm not interested in it. I'm not afraid of losing it."

"You're afraid of me aren't you?"

"You're not even an issue."

"I can get any one I want."

"Not this one."

"That's because you're a coward."

"You know something? If you were interesting enough to justify it I would give a good portion of myself just to be there that broken and colorless morning when you get out of bed and look in the mirror only to discover that your precious skin is sagging off your cheeks and chin, and your tits are flattened, empty sacks of blue veins and bruises and your ass crack no longer looks like a crack but more like a streak of shit, and the only chance at beauty you have left is in your eyes but there was never any beauty there to begin with, and you finely come to that long anticipated revelation that you are nothing -- that you have always been nothing."

She smacks me hard across the face. "Who the fuck do you think you are? You don't know me!

"I know you. You're about as complicated as a bicycle with training wheels."

She is angry but to my surprise she doesn't move away. She sits on my chest and waits for me to exhale. Then she whispers into my ear, "You can't get away from me. You think you can but you never will. I run your life and you can't even admit it."

"I'll admit that I'm afraid of you but that's it. Now get away from me."

"If I really left you alone. If I never so much as glanced at you you'd feel so worthless you'd kill yourself. And after you were dead and nobody gave a shit somebody else would take me."

"Is that supposed to change my mind about you?"

"You just don't get it, do you? I expect nothing of you."

She drops on the bed and pulls me down with her. "Why do you hate me so much?" she asks.

"I don't hate you. I hate the way you use yourself."

"There's no such thing," she says.

I'm too tired to fight now. We are silent for a long time. The room falls dark and I begin to relax. She is close now, yet I am unaroused. Then she begins to whisper things. Everything around me becomes soft and weightless. She speaks of strange places that are warm and delicate and I don't understand. It doesn't bother me that I don't understand. I just know that the words are beautiful and I don't want them to end. Then I am being drawn half into her. For a moment I am frightened and try to pull back. All the time, all the energy, all the wars I've had with her in the past. Always fighting, grasping, always chaos. Convinced if I gave in I would be devoured. Always feeling ugly and dwarfed by her. I'd look into her eyes and see the reflection of my own failure. When she reached out to me with an open hand I saw a trick, a ploy that smelled of sex and manipulation and ulterior motives. But I had never given her enough recognition. I had never looked away from my own insanity's long enough to see her for what she was. She was cool and pale and sweet and full of insecurities, weaknesses, misconceptions, but you would never know it by looking at her. She would never know it by looking at her self. When I concentrated and she came full circle in my mind she really wasn't a bad creature, just lovely and ugly and scared and lonely like the rest of us. Now, there is a brief window, a disarmament brought on by exhaustion. I can no longer resist. Pieces of me begin to fall away and she washes over them with a deep light, and for a moment I feel as if this is the place I'd been struggling toward my entire life. I feel as if this is the place I have been trying to speak of -- and for once I feel I am worthy of it. For once I feel that I have always been worthy of it.

And she sings and sings.

And I listen.

For a brief moment, I listen.

How with this affect Canadian customers? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367683)

I haven't (yet) found an info on Canadian @Home customers (Rogers/Cabletron etc) - Any news on this front?

Letter From Rogers to it's customers (3, Interesting)

D0ughB0y (78251) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367687)

September 29, 2001

To: All Rogers @Home high speed Internet customers

A couple of weeks ago we made a commitment to keep you updated on any
developments regarding Excite @Home in the U.S.

Yesterday Excite @Home announced that it has agreed to sell its high-speed
Internet access assets to AT&T, pending court approval. We are very pleased
with this announcement as Rogers has worked well with AT&T in the past and
continues to do so. As you may know, AT&T is one of the largest
communications companies in the world.

At the same time, Excite filed for bankruptcy protection under Chapter 11 of
the United States Bankruptcy Code. This action allows Excite to remain in
control of its business and provides it with protection from creditors
pending completion of the sale.

Please be assured that our commitment to you remains to provide you with
the best high speed Internet service.

We will continue to update you on a regular basis so that you remain
informed.

Alek Krstajic
Senior Vice President and General Manager
Rogers @Home

Re:Letter From Rogers to it's customers (1)

rikkards (98006) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367702)

In Canada this may be a good thing, as he says Rogers and AT&T work well together already. Right now (I believe) Roger's cell phone service is done by AT&T Canada.

Re:Letter From Rogers to it's customers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367812)

Yes it is and the alliance is called Rogers Cantel AT&T.

Don't know if I like Rogers being subject to AT&T policies in the states though. Then again I think they should go back to running their own network with Shaw under the BigPipe banner.

Re:Letter From Rogers to it's customers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2368369)

Actually, the Cantel part was dropped about a year ago, and now it's just Rogers AT&T

Well.. (3, Informative)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367841)

I got a letter from Shaw@home (Calgary, Alberta).

@home doesn't own the cable network; they own the servers, chiefly the email infrastructure and web space.
So shaw.ca has it's own mail servers.. and is encouraging users to switch over voluntarily (before they all get their mail cut off when @home goes down the toilet).
Internet service won't go out. You'll still continue the same way as ever.

Mass mailing last night (5, Informative)

Tolomak (173813) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367685)

September 29, 2001

To: All Rogers @Home high speed Internet customers

A couple of weeks ago we made a commitment to keep you updated on any
developments regarding Excite @Home in the U.S.

Yesterday Excite @Home announced that it has agreed to sell its high-speed
Internet access assets to AT&T, pending court approval. We are very pleased
with this announcement as Rogers has worked well with AT&T in the past and
continues to do so. As you may know, AT&T is one of the largest
communications companies in the world.

At the same time, Excite filed for bankruptcy protection under Chapter 11 of
the United States Bankruptcy Code. This action allows Excite to remain in
control of its business and provides it with protection from creditors
pending completion of the sale.

Please be assured that our commitment to you remains to provide you with
the best high speed Internet service.

We will continue to update you on a regular basis so that you remain
informed.

Alek Krstajic
Senior Vice President and General Manager
Rogers @Home

Re:Mass mailing last night (2)

Jburkholder (28127) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367751)

Interesting. I went to my mail client looking for something similar from AT&T... nothing. We moved over to @Home from MediaOne Express just last month. TCI had swapped our market with MediaOne just prior to AT&T buying them both, they left us pretty much alone for over a year (as MediaOne Express)

I guess (I hope) that not much would change for us if AT&T really does just siphon off @Home's infrastructure assets. I wonder if other cable operator's @Home customers will have it as easy?

Re:Mass mailing last night (2, Informative)

dieman (4814) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367761)

Your just using @home for 'content' Your provider is AT&T Broadband.

AT&T never did the stupid 'let someone else run your network' trick, they knew it was a sham.

Not necessarily a sham (2, Insightful)

Red Aardvark House (523181) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367898)

AT & T has the money and infrastructure capabilitird to avoid someone else running their network. For most other startups, the investment in the wiring, etc. needed is too great.

Believe me, if @Home could run their own network, they would have.

Re:Mass mailing last night (2)

Jburkholder (28127) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368042)

I didn't think that was the case. @home provides the mail personal web servers too. I always thought of @home as the ISP and AT&T Broadband as the transport provider (like phone company).

Re:Mass mailing last night (2, Informative)

NOC_Monkey (73018) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368126)

TCI/AT&T Broadband has been buying backbone access from @Home since 1997. AT&T only 'runs' the cable plant. Everything else until you get to a peering point is @Home-managed. Don't believe me? Traceroute to something. See all the "[blah].[blah].home.net"? That's @Home.

Re:Mass mailing last night (1)

psicE (126646) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367816)

First, AFAIK we actually moved over from AT&T RoadRunner, before which we had been MediaOne RoadRunner, before which we had been MediaOne Express, before which we had been Continental Cablevision Highway1 (or something like that).

Second, what do you mean TCI had swapped our market with MediaOne? I never remember having TCI for a cable provider, and I've had cable (Internet) since Continental Cablevision merged with US West the cable company.

Re:Mass mailing last night (2)

Jburkholder (28127) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368121)

I'm in a Chicago suburb, and my service did start out as Continental. Right after I moved in, MediaOne bought this market.

>what do you mean TCI had swapped our market

Just that. TCI and Media One made a deal where they ended up trading [google.com] some markets. Shortly after, TCI was bought by AT&T.

>I never remember having TCI for a cable provider,

Well, your experience proably vastly differs depending on what city you live in as this deal did not affect every market. But, as a matter of fact, we were never officially switched to TCI. It all happened in such rapid succession that we became AT&T Broadband customers directly from MediaOne without ever seeing TCI.

Re:Mass mailing last night (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2368143)

Because you probably live in a totally different area of the country, what he describes will almost certainly be different from what you had.

Re:Mass mailing last night (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2368255)

Quick history of the US cable network: It started out in the 1970s as a large number of very small undercapitalized companies serving local areas.

Over they years these have been bought, combined, traded, sold, put in joint agreements, renamed, mis-branded, and so on.

Therefore anyone's personal cable company history is probably only valid within their own zipcode.

oh yes, it is (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367686)

First Chapter 11 post! w00t!!!

Nothing better than the smell of bankruptcy in the morning!

Re:oh yes, it is (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367696)

haha, retard motherfucker, I beat you!!!!!!!!!

@Home Canada / Rogers@Home (1)

eMlliK (130824) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367691)

Rogers has been pretty quiet about this. Of course, with their relationship with AT&T it may work out well for them.

But wasn't AT&T selling off the broadband arm? Does this add to that seperate entity, or would this put AT&T back in the broadband game?

VA Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367703)

Speaking of Chapter 11, how's VA Linux doing?

Everyone I love is dead

The President's Analyst (3, Interesting)

ajs (35943) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367707)

It's kind of scary that The President's Analyst [imdb.com] is going to become timely again (BTW: If you haven't seen this movie, you should, it's got a very sneaky wit).

AT&T is thinking about selling it's broadband access to AOL, and this deal is likely just intended to sweeten the pot. Imagine, AOL as the one true broadband provider/movie studio/tv news outlet/browser company/music label? Yep, time to start a dialup ISP in MY area ;-)

Re:The President's Analyst (2, Funny)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367810)

AT&T is thinking about selling it's broadband access to AOL, and this deal is likely just intended to sweeten the pot. Imagine, AOL as the one true broadband provider/movie studio/tv news outlet/browser company/music label? Yep, time to start a dialup ISP in MY area ;-)

Given all of the Sci-Fi movies where robots and computers take over the world (Terminator, Matrix, etc...) maybe having Microsoft as an OS Monopoly and AOL as the sole connectivity provider would be a really good way to keep the Robots in check.

Them: "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO..." [Network lag][BSOD]

Us: Quick, someone shut that thing off, it's annoying me.

Re:The President's Analyst (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367932)

Crack-whore moderators, that should've been a +1 Funny. Ah well, seeya in meta-mod, loser. >;)

dial up to what? (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368127)

If everything becomes AOL, who will you buy your access from?

Hey (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367708)

Pay attention Taco. LNUX is next.

-The AC Avenger

Oh thank Go (4, Insightful)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367710)

Thank you sweet lord. I saw AOL was eyeing the @home network. I sooo would rather have At&T thatn AOL. They don't even have an SMTP server for their users. Thank you Jesus.

Re:Oh thank Go (2, Informative)

Katan (104699) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367808)

I wouldn't rest easy just yet. I would assume that these resources would now become part of AT&T broadband. AT&T Broadband has been on the block for months now with AOL and Comcast(and others) as suitors.


Scary to think this, but it could still end up in the hands of AOL Time Warner through its acqusition of the rest of its cable customers.


Its actually more likely that comcast would be more successful as AOL is under heavy scrutiny for the moment. Not that AOL couldn't do it...the new regime at the FCC is more open to industry consolidation.

Re:Oh thank Go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367921)

i hate AOL as much as the next person. but the recent demise of DSL has brought me to the point where i have no choice but to switch to AOL/TW cablemodem. & i gotta say that TW/AOL at LEAST answers their phone, which is 100% better than SWbell ever did for me.

so AOL is no longer the worst ISP around, the new holder of that position is swbell.

cant say much for ATT, i used their dialup service for quite some time. they used some proprietary dialer program that went out of its way to make sure i didnt know my own password, i couldnt use standard dialup networking, much less any OS besides windoze

Re:Oh thank Go (1)

Lemuel (2370) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367963)

I hate AOL for the same reason, and was concerned when they bought Time Warner, since I have Roadrunner. So far, though, they haven't done anything to AOLize the service, so I can't really complain about them.

Get some PRIORITIES (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367720)

The worst terrorist attack in recorded history occurred just over two weeks ago, and you people are discussing how this doesn't mean that Excite@Home has dropped off the face of the earth -- it does mean that are seeking legal protection from creditors in an attempt to reorganize? My *god*, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!!!

Re:Get some PRIORITIES (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367775)

What are we supposed to do? Stop living and focus exclusively on these attacks for the rest of our life?

YHBT. YHL. HAND. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367929)

mmm penis

Re:Get some PRIORITIES (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367941)

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I think I speak for all of us when I say. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367723)

Good riddance.

Losers.

Chapter 11 For VA Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367726)

you guys should just prepare the article right now, since VA is already circling the drain.

you guys shoulda never sold out for the quick bucks.

@Home, AT&T, and Comcast (-1, Redundant)

iamklerck (445579) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367728)

While indeed @Home is selling off it's broadband to AT&T, the truth is, AT&T won't have it for long. AT&T is in talks with Comcast to sell if ITS broadband division to Comcast. What this means is that @Home will likely become property of Comcast Cablevision in the near future. What is also of note is that Comcast has begun rolling out its own broadband content already at http://www.icomcast.net [icomcast.net] .

Re:@Home, AT&T, and Comcast (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367776)

as long as it's not Disney or Charter. Many of us have linux in place and running well, replacing the Microsoft dependancy while getting kudos from management and doing thing that are impossible under windows. If we get purchased by one of the Microsoft puppets. (Or the Natzi's at Disney... no facial hair? I will be one that will sue the crap out of the company)

It's sad that AT&T's president is running around asking "Please buy this... I'll take anything... Please!!! buy this!!!"

I just wish that the stock-holders of AT&T had some backbone and fired the entire executive branch and replaced them with a group that is interested in making broadband work instead of making a few dollars quickly when things are tight. AT&T broadband is full of the best and brightest Last year we had lots of cash do do the work, this year we recieved 1/5th of that and still preformed the work (Finding no-cost solutions like Linux for example) and next year we expect 0 funding above bare-minimum operating costs... I will still impliment a fax server (linux based)and a document management system (Linux based).. Both of which would have cost $50,000 each if based under windows 2000 (I priced them out with quotes 2 years ago, so those are pretty darn close in actual cost)

Comcast could be a good thing for Broadband. Anyone know if they are hostile to non MS solutions? AT&T has always been open to it and the Computer and Network Acceptable use polocy specifically states that any free or GNU software is fully allowed to get work done in the company.

how about charter?

Re:@Home, AT&T, and Comcast (1)

Thatman311 (316281) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367957)

What does:

as long as it's not Disney or Charter. Many of us have linux in place and running well, replacing the Microsoft dependancy while getting kudos from management and doing thing that are impossible under windows. If we get purchased by one of the Microsoft puppets. (Or the Natzi's at Disney... no facial hair? I will be one that will sue the crap out of the company) Have to do with this entire thread? Also what are you saying you can do under Linux that you can't do under Windows? Please provide a couple of examples so us people who can't read your mind can understand where you are coming from.

Re:@Home, AT&T, and Comcast (2, Interesting)

AsylumWraith (458952) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367959)

Well, I have Comcast@Home cable service, and I have had absolutely zero problems using Linux on it. You just have to configure the system to use DHCP (and that's not hard. :))

In fact, the one time I had to have a technician to the house to fix a hardware problem (the equipment on the pole was *ancient*) he took one look at my machine and asked "Which distro?"

I'd say that they're pretty friendly to Linux.

Re:@Home, AT&T, and Comcast (1)

AsylumWraith (458952) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367948)

The one thing that I'm curious about...

Here in (South) Jersey, we have Comcast cable, and they offer @Home. How would that fit into the mix?

I have a feeling that... (4, Interesting)

frleong (241095) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367730)

AT&T, the company that U.S. government broke into pieces due to antitrust, is gaining back gradually its monopoly position. Looking at the telecom market in the U.S., the breakup was not particularly effective and comparing to the mobile cellular phone technology of NTT's DoCoMo or of Europe, the U.S. technology in this area sucks.

The Internet phenomenon that was led by the U.S. was due to the invention of HTTP and web browser and the router and backbone explosion was simply a knee-jerk reaction to the growth of WWW -proving that the telecom market has not been very healthly.

This brings us the question: what is the best remedy for MS if breakup might not be successful?

Re:I have a feeling that... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367738)

You idiot. AT&T is no way close to being a monopoly or for that matter HEALTHY. AT&T is suffering major problems stemming from the breakup, and will likely never recover. Don't be suprised if in 10-15 years AT&T is no longer around.

Re:I have a feeling that... (1)

frleong (241095) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367792)

If your statements are true, then a breakup of MS is not very desirable. Yeah, this beast sometimes deserves a spank, but making it go bankrupt will be harmful to consumers and breaks the "ecological balance" (you kill one and another even worse monster will come up eventually).

Excite@Home has a bad name. Anyone who is too Excited@Home cannot live for very long...

Re:I have a feeling that... (2, Insightful)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367801)

AT&T is suffering major problems stemming from the breakup, and will likely never recover.

I've never been convinced that the breakup is responsible for any of AT&T's termoil. They've had plenty of time to "get over it" and any failure to do so since then has just been bad business execution.

Re:I have a feeling that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2368266)

The breakup isn't responsible for AT+T's current problems. It was the massive amount of money they blew to get into the cable business. Part of that was buying billions in old crappy debt from the predecessor companies.

It was basically a dot-com play -- the internet service was justification for the price they were paying. AT+T used to be a blue chip, now they are a crappy cable company.

Re:I have a feeling that... (1)

BawbBitchen (456931) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368341)

AT&T is not suffering from major problems 'stemming from the breakup'. AT&T's problem is that their management sucks and always has. Being a monopoly did not require good management. With the network, technology and number of patents that AT&T has it should be doing well, except for the fact that it has been managed by a group of total smegheads since the breakup.

Just MNSHO..

Re:I have a feeling that... (2)

garcia (6573) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367814)

just b/c they control a good portion of the Excite@Home network (many markets were bought out by AT&T @Home) does not necessarily mean they have a monopoly, it just looks that way ;)

At least their service is decent (from what I can tell). They are fair w/what they give, and they are fair in giving support.

I am sort of upset about them selling it off, I was about to buy Excite@Home stock (since it was like .11/share) ehhe.

Re:I have a feeling that... (0, Troll)

neko the frog (94213) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367922)

we are talking about at&t broadband right?

they have flat out the worst customer service i've ever seen from a company, bar none.

for starters, the average time on hold to get support is about an hour. not to actually resolve the problem, or even to talk to someone, this is just being on hold.

their evening service is absolute crap, with all multiplayer games absolutely unplayable (ping times go up into the 2000 range), a problem they refuse to address--instead they're still blaming code red or any other virus of the week, since they don't want to admit that either one of their routers is screwed up or they oversold our portion of the network (appearantly code red only strikes between 6pm and 10pm weekday evenings)

and here's the kicker: this month, we found a $180 charge for "previous balance," despite the fact we pay our bill every month. so we call them up, and they refuse to explain the charge, or give an itemized list, because their billing department doesn't have access to the billing records. aces!

we're switching to dsl this payday.

Re:I have a feeling that... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367953)

disclaimer... I work for AT&T broadband.

Perhaps your experiences are isolated but I will continue to explain.

Average Hold Time: 600 to 800 seconds. So you are wrong.

That is a problem w/any network not just AT&T Broadband. Customer Service cannot do anything to stop this problem. It is called NETWORK TRAFFIC. It happens no matter where you are.

You are wrong again. Billing is listed item by item and any explanations are easy to give. If the bill says you owe $180 you probably do. There are very few mistakes made in that area. You probably got an install package, missed a bill, and god knows what else.

You go ahead and switch. You are going to find the exact problems + some. Including: 1. your ISP and Telco do not speak together so you are always only getting half the service. 2. Hold times are longer b/c you have to wait for Telco and ISP. 3. Telco blames ISP, ISP blames Telco (run-around) 4. slow speeds. 768/128 sucks compared to the BW from cable. 5. ping responses are always fucking bad.

That's fine, switch all you like. 50 million homes are connected to AT&T broadband. It is a decent service for the cost. Where the hell else are you going to get the bw that you do from there for that cost?

Re:I have a feeling that... (2, Funny)

Thatman311 (316281) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367967)

Wow that sure is one way to handle a customer of yours complaining. They bitch...you flame. Man that is some awesome customer service.

Re:I have a feeling that... (2)

frleong (241095) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368166)

Disclaimer: I do not use AT&T broadband.

Average Hold Time: 600 to 800 seconds. So you are wrong.

So, most people have to tolerate more than 10 minutes of music to get a reply? Brilliant service!

You are wrong again. Billing is listed item by item and any explanations are easy to give. If the bill says you owe $180 you probably do. There are very few mistakes made in that area. You probably got an install package, missed a bill, and god knows what else.

There are very few mistakes in that area doesn't mean there are none. It is irritating to find that companies tech support being in such an "arrogant" mode by considering that the customer is ALWAYS WRONG. It seems to me that the exception handling of your company are ill-defined.

Re:I have a feeling that... (2, Insightful)

Static Analysis (465772) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367831)

AT&T, the company that U.S. government broke into pieces due to antitrust, is gaining back gradually its monopoly position. Looking at the telecom market in the U.S., the breakup was not particularly effective and comparing to the mobile cellular phone technology of NTT's DoCoMo or of Europe, the U.S. technology in this area sucks.

The problem, as I see it, isn't that the breakup was ineffective, but that later Congresses decided to render it ineffective. They decided to make the market less competitive (or at least to allow for noncompetitive behavior) at a time when more competitive action was actually needed. Nominally, the system was opened up a bit. But as we've seen with the demise of so many dsl providers (for instance), it wasn't really very open. These crazy mergers are making it less open.

I think a MS breakup would be a good thing. I'm not sure that there' a solid legal case for it; in fact, I think the legal case is probably quite bogus. But I think that from a consumer's point of view it would be a good thing. If that doesn't happen, the next best thing would be to require that all file formats be nonproprietary and publicly odcumented. That goes for everyone, not just MS. In fact, that would probably be even more beneficial to consumers than a breakup, since it would force actual competitive behavior.

Just the opposite, really (3, Informative)

sphealey (2855) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368245)

"AT&T, the company that U.S. government broke into pieces due to antitrust, is gaining back gradually its monopoly position"

If the old AT&T monopoly exists in any form today, it is in the shape of Southwestern Bell (SBC). AT&T proper bears no resemblence to its 1970 shape.

With that in mind, AT&T actually had the best strategy of any of the data communication companies: build a full portfolio of services (voice, data, cable, mobile), with as much global component as the hyper-nationalism over telecomm allows (can you say DT?), and offer it to home and business customers in a bundle.

But as soon as the stock price dropped a bit, Armstrong panic'd and started selling pieces. Now there is no player on the field who even comes close to being able to offer that bundle.

sPh

Do you think AT&T would continue to block port (2, Interesting)

UnclePunk (520953) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367732)

Do you think that AT&T would continue to block incoming ports to prevent people from running personal servers on standard ports (80, 21, 25, etc)? Thankfully I have Time Warner Cable so nothing is blocked, though I feel that may change at any time in the form of a "change of end user agreement" form someday. It's probably wishful thinking, but just curious nonetheless.

Re:Do you think AT&T would continue to block p (1)

dohcvtec (461026) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367955)

Why would the demise of @Home (essentially only the content aspect of the service) have anything to do with ATT's port filtering? Anyway, the port filtering is done subnet-by-subnet. I definitely have ports 21,22,25,80, and 110 available incoming, so YMMV as it has previously.

Re:Do you think AT&T would continue to block p (1)

twitter (104583) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368169)

Yes, of course they will. Their TOS is even worse than the average at home.

I hate that #### port block!

Re:Do you think AT&T would continue to block p (2)

pongo000 (97357) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368445)

Not all AT&T areas block incoming ports. Also, take a close look at your AT&T agreement (it's separate from the @Home agreement). The one I have does not explicitly exclude servers associated with the service, as the @Home TOS does. The question I have is, if @Home is no longer, then can I run servers on my system based on the AT&T TOS?

One interesting aspect of all this is that if you live in an area where incoming ports are blocked by AT&T, and your AT&T TOS doesn't explicitly prohibit personal servers, then how can AT&T justify blocking these ports?

What is VA Linux's future? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367736)

I like how slashdot posts bankruptcy notices for other companies but never discusses its own future, or lack thereof. You don't see much press for VA in the financial news, so shouldn't slashdot discuss what is happenning to their parent company?

It seems pretty grim for them, to say the least. They changed their business plan overnight, layed off a chunk of their company and their stock price is about a buck.

.

Do your part to fight terrorism (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367747)

If you are like most Americans, the sight of Middle Eastern ragheads and sand niggers make you sick to your stomach. Now there is something you can do about it. The 7-11 convenience stores have a toll-free complaint line. If you have any problem with 7-11, they suggest you call their toll-free complaint number. Well, I am damn sick of all the raghead sand nigger towel head muslim filth working at 7-11 while they are planning their next terrorist attack. Now is the time to call 7-11 and complain. Tell them you want Americans in those stores, and that all the Pakis and sand niggers should get the boot:
Toll-Free 7-11 Raghead Complaint Line 1-800-255-0711
Do your part and send those Pakis packing!

Wrong... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367824)

Your information is incorrect. That's the number to Lurlene's [lurlene.com] Dial-A-Date. I didn't get to order my hot dog and slushy, but I'm having a great time as the lead role in the movie Hillbilly Caligula.

--
At least she said it was a movie.

Cringely Right Again (5, Interesting)

General_Corto (152906) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367762)

You people may like to look at Bob's article from August 30 [pbs.org] which quite neatly explains where Excite@Home finds itself.

Remind me to buy stock in Cringely if he ever IPOs.

Re:Cringely Right Again (1)

bmarklein (24314) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367974)

I don't see how this proves Cringeley was right - he was right that they were headed for bankruptcy, but everyone saw that coming. It doesn't show that his analysis of why they were going bankrupt is correct.

I think that if you were to go back and look at all of Cringeley's predictions, you'd find that he actually has a pretty poor track record.

Re:Cringely Right Again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2368396)

Great Article (On my birthday, no less!) Here is my favorite quote:

But wait, it gets worse. AT&T, @Home's largest shareholder, appears to many to have acted in a way that virtually guaranteed the failure of its subsidiary. Just when things were getting bleak, AT&T sent in a team of network engineers to improve reliability, and those engineers spent literally tens of millions of @Home dollars upgrading the network, contributing to the present cash crunch. Ultimately, @Home was in such poor financial shape that it had to sell back to AT&T the very same network it had just spent money upgrading. Big corporations can be smart sometimes.

-Robert X. Cringely

This is too confusing (5, Funny)

compugeek007 (464717) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367778)

Okay maybe ssomeone here with a higher mental capacity can help me -

I Have @Home service, But I pay my bill to AT&T @Home. My cable TV is Comcast, but I pay my bill to ATT Cable. When I call for service, A Media One truck pulls up.

I am beginning to think all of these cable companies are a smokescreen for Microsoft.

Fate of @Home (4, Interesting)

psicE (126646) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367780)

Actually, that does mean that Excite@Home dropped off the face of the earth, at least as a company, because they already agreed to sell all their assets; I think the only reason they filed Chapter 11 instead of 7 is so people wouldn't lose service while the assets were being transitioned. More interesting, though, is what will happen to the assets. Obviously @Home's network will be merged with AT&T Broadband, but what will happen to Excite? AT&T has three real options:
  • Sell it off. Yahoo!, MSN or AOL could buy Excite to gain customers, Viacom or Disney could buy it to gain a (better) web presence, but chances are no one would pay enough to make it worth the effort for AT&T.
  • Turn it into an AT&T Broadband-only network. Essentially, AT&T could take the current http://home.excite.com/ page, turn that into http://www.attathome.com/, merge the user databases, and ditch the rest of Excite (so you'd have to be a paying customer to use it). This is probably more likely, but if AT&T's planning on selling off Broadband anyway, it may only take time away from negotiations with another cable company.
  • Don't do anything yet. AT&T would pretty much make an Excite@Home group inside AT&T Broadband, and not merge the services at all, instead spending effort on negotiations with Comcast. Then, once Comcast and AT&T Broadband merge, it's Comcast's problem.
I think that AT&T will try for about a month to sell Excite, and if they're unsuccessful, they'll just wait until the merger.

Re:Fate of @Home (1)

schwatoo (521485) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368101)

Excite is basically gone. A hell of a lot of the staff that worked on the portal (and all the staff that worked on stuff like clubs, message boards etc) have got the axe I dont think theres a heck of a lot to sell.

Let the party begin!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367789)

Excite@Home features the World's World Customer Service(SM). They truly have earned the privilege to go under.

Check out: http://www.geocities.com/tarahertz/isps-who-suck.h tml [geocities.com]

I have been waiting for this day; Excite@Home truly, truly sucks.

Hmm.. (1)

dj28 (212815) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367796)

I thought that Comcast was buying ATT's cable assets. Does this mean that Comcast will eventually own what ATT is buying right now?

Re:Hmm.. (1)

RembrandtX (240864) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367942)

comcast has been attmpting to buy att's east coast cable assets for a few years .. *LAST* i heard it was on the table again .. [brief sojern into the kitchen to get the phone .. amazingly enough .. it was comcast wanting to sell me cable tv - i dont own a tv .. it was a short conversation]

The last skuttlebut i heard was that att no longer wanted to sell their assets .. There was a deal on the table .. but att backed out. [its been like this for years - the cant make up their mind if they want to keep cable or go pure dsl.] Comcast did sell their telephony services to ATT i believe which was part of the initial deal .. so maybe its on again. [for those that didn't know .. comcast provides telephone over cable services in NJ and i believe PA ]

comcast is *btw* the #2 cable company .. following Ted Turner, and last i knew .. the only division of @home to have begun to make a profit on its internet service.

[*sigh* im sure glad i left that place a year or so ago .. i bet its a madhouse right now.]

does this mean (1)

Karl Cocknozzle (514413) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367802)

That they'll be leaving their customers high and dry? Or will AT&T keep the @Home network (such as it is) running during the transition?

Dear Ann Landers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367803)

Dear Ann Landers, please help, I have a problem with my son Rob. Rob is homosexual. Although I try not to be judgmental, even though homosexuality is an abomination, I can't help but vomit at thoughts of his face covered in spooge or moaning in pleasure as some random man's cock is plunged into his unlubricated rectum.

Recently, I invited him and his boyfriend Jeff over for a formal dinner. Halfway through, he loudly passed gas, and Jeff yelled out, "so that's where our hamster is!". I fainted from the shock. I don't wish to disown my own son, but his lifestyle is disgusting.

Malda's Mom.

Dear Malda's Mom: Please seek counseling at once. Disgusting sex practices are a normal part of being a turd burglar. The two of you need to bond more. Consider taking him shopping with you next time you need to buy a new dildo, and then pick up a well-hung Negro for a 3-way orgy.

+5 Funny (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367818)

this is better than some of the so-called "humor" that gets constantly modded up..trolls are infinitely more funny

Re:Dear Ann Landers (-1)

mackga (990) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367846)

lol.! a truer post has not hit the shitstained boards of /. in a looooong timme. although i find it quite revolting myself that a spineless, lowlife, dogfucker of an ac posted this fine wit, i do have to admit it is right bang on.

Were are AT&T, resistance is futile. (2, Insightful)

disc-chord (232893) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367849)

(replace AT&T with Adelphia if they happen to be the one gobbling up your local cable provider)

We are AT&T, we will add your technological destictiveness to our own, while purchasing your pipes and customer base at pennys of the initial cost. Lower your shields, resistance is futile.

If there is any cable providers besides AT&T, AOL, and Adelphia in 2 years I'll be amazed.

Something we sent out about a month ago... (3, Informative)

Torke (101454) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367859)

A MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF SHAW COMMUNICATIONS INC.

Dear Shaw@Home customers:

Shaw is committed to providing its customers with the most reliable and secure high-speed Internet service available. Three years ago, we partnered with the @Home Corporation out of Redwood City, California to provide our customers with a full multimedia high-speed Internet experience. Since then, we have recognized that in order to maintain our highest quality standard, we require full control of our network.

Shaw has invested over $330 million into our high-speed cable Internet network. Over the last year, customers have been enjoying many services such as domain hosting, high performance network, secure connections, broadband content, and 24 hour customer service all on our own Internet infrastructure. Now, with the recent launch of our new Internet Data Centre, Shaw@Home customers now have a full suite of services, including email and web space available to them; all on Shaw`s very own Internet network.

Fortunately, our proactive actions came at a time when confidence in the service that the @Home Corporation in the U.S. was providing, was diminishing. But, because of the network construction we have completed, the current financial issues that the @Home Corporation are facing will have no impact to the quality of service we provide our customers. Shaw is confident that, the major shareholders of @Home Corp will maintain all e-mail and web space services without impacting its 3.7 million customers across North America.

Bottom line, all current customers who have @home.com email addresses and webspace, (managed by @Home Corp. in the U.S.), can currently maintain these existing addresses as well as choose an @shaw.ca. We will be contacting all current Shaw@Home customers, encouraging to transition over to the @shaw.ca email and webspace. To register for your new email and webspace accounts go to http://support.shaw.ca

Shaw will continue to meet its customers` demand for the Shaw@Home high-speed Internet service. We are committed to providing the fastest, most reliable and easiest-to use service via a content portal to access the best video and audio content available on the web.

We thank you for your continued support.

Sincerely,

Peter Bissonnette
President, Shaw Communications Inc.

Possibly beneficial (1, Troll)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367869)

I don't know about everyone else, but @Home hasn't exactly been a maven of security for me. Ever since Code Red, the original, I've been bombarded with evil packets that [fortunately] have bounced off my firewall. Even still, I'm convinced it's slowed my connection down.

AT&T makes a lot of mistakes, but their WorldNet service was pretty solid when I had dialup. My only other concern is the tie-in my cable provider (Comcast) might now have to AT&T. SpongeBob Squarepants over the phone, anyone?

Re:Possibly beneficial (1)

LinuxHam (52232) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367897)

I've been bombarded with evil packets that [fortunately] have bounced off my firewall. Even still, I'm convinced it's slowed my connection down.

If only LaBrea could be ported to run *on* a firewall and protect all unopen ports as opposed to just unused IP addresses. Unless of course you run an http server at home, then that's just the cost of running a web server. Block port 80, and move your server to ssl on 443.

And SpongeBob is the *man* :) Although Nickelodeon was really screwing up this morning.. breaking into commercials mid-sentence. Once they even broke mid-sentence into the closing credits, only to pick up where it left off after a couple commercials. Must be take our children to work day today.

And Verizon's monopolistic practices reign. (3, Interesting)

RasputinAXP (12807) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367887)

After all, my DSL is still going strong.

But I had been planning to switch to Comcast @Home if/when my office begins paying for my connection because supposedly we'll be getting the 2Mbit business connection. At this rate, Comcast will own everything cable-based with the exception of Time-Warner and Cablevision (and other West-coast based cable companies I may not know about).

Guess I might just ask to have my ADSL kicked up to business SDSL...

Transition experience? Bad QOS? (4, Interesting)

AtariDatacenter (31657) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367896)

Having been inside a few companies (and healthy ones, at that) while a transition has taken place (merger, buyout), I'm a little scared to be an @Home customer right now.

One of the first things to go is the quality of service to the customer. Technical foul-ups as things are transitioned, either technically, or between different groups of people.

I have to say that @Home really didn't add much to my Internet experience that, say, Roadrunner, or Media One would have provided. (The Excite merger really didn't see any major benefits for @Home customers.)

While I'm not worried that I'll be completely shut off, I am worried about the quality of service going forward. It is a legitimate concern. But I don't (yet) have enough motiviation to switch to some other form (DSL, etc) of high speed communications.

Here's hoping that @Home/ATT/Whoever doesn't drop the ball.

Re:Transition experience? Bad QOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2368348)

As a west coast @Home user, I've seen the number of newsgroups go down and length of pings to the gateway go up, topping out at a spectacular 3/4 second and making the service useless for gaming during anything but graveyard hours in my area. My application for DSL is in the works.

felch felch (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367908)

"In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only trying to retrieve the gerbil," Jeff Bates told bemused doctors in the Severe Burn Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital.
Bates and his homosexual partner Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, had been admitted for emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong. "I pushed a cardboard tube up his rectum and slipped Raggot, our gerbil, in." he explained. "As usual, CmdrTaco shouted out "Armageddon", my cue that he'd had enough. I tried to retrieve Raggot but he wouldn't come out again, so i peered into the tube and struck a match, thinking the light might attract him."
At a hushed press confrence, a hospital spokesman described what happened next. "The match ignited a pocket of intestinal gas and a flame shot out of the tubing, igniting Mr. Bates' hair and severly burning his face. It also set fire to the gerbil's fur and whiskers which in turn ignited a larger pocket of gas further up the intestine, propelling the rodent out like a cannonball." Bates suffered second degree burns and a broken nose from the impact of the gerbil, while Malda suffered first and second degree burns to his anus and lower intestinal tract.

Even if AOL does the buying, it may not be awful. (3, Interesting)

jcostom (14735) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367918)

So many people are up in arms about the possibility of all of this resulting in AOL@Home. I, for one, don't think it's such a terrible thing. AOL-TW has lots of cash, and is a reasonably stable company.

All AOL application/users jokes aside (and believe me, I find the current AOL consumer offer loathesome!), it may not be so bad. AOL has some incredibly smart people running a pretty impressive network. A financially stable company running a solid network? Sounds pretty good to me, even if it is Steve Case running the show. As long as I don't have to use that AWFUL AOL client, and change the way I use my Internet connection, I'll probably not mind.

Hey - look at it this way - the tech support personnel can't get any worse! Ever talk to an @home tech that's less than 3rd level? Wouldn't know a subnet mask from ldap server.

jcostom IS ON THE AOL PAYROLL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367943)

it's true

aol? (0)

jglow (525234) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367923)

wonderful... so as long Time Warner stays out of this mess, I'll be OK.

Stephen King, author, dead at 54 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367924)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

what the hell is chapter 11 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2367931)

huh?

Strange terms? (3, Funny)

dbolger (161340) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367952)

...it will file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and sell its high-speed network to AT&T for $307 million in cash...
...preferably in non-sequential unmarked bills.

Will This Halt Expansion? (1)

ga1adrie1 (300367) | more than 13 years ago | (#2367978)

Does anyone have any thoughts as to whether this will halt @Home's expansion? I am moving from an area that has cable modem service to one that doesn't, and the only DSL I can get is 144 kbps for $99 a month.... I know it's silly to want to buy service from a company in such trouble, but I'd rather shove a hot poker in my eye than go back to dialup...

@home deal falls through (5, Funny)

rant-mode-on (512772) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368031)

AOL, ATT and Comcast were falling over themselves today in attempts to buy the ailing @home. However, it is believed that talks have fallen through. Evidence of this was leaked by a disgruntled employee who had a copy the 'training tape' made when Comcast called:

@home: "Hello, can I have your at home account name please?"

comcast: "Er, actually I work for Comcast and I would like to buy your company, and I need to speak to your CEO about a deal"

@home: "Oh, can I have your primary email address then please?"

comcast: "No, you don't understand, I called earlier and left a message for your CEO to call me back."

@home: "Ok, I see the problem then. Could you unplug your cable modem for 30 seconds please?"

comcast: "What? No, I need to speak..."

@home: "I'm sorry that won't be possible, nobody here has telephones. You need to unplug your cable modem."

@comcast: "You don't understand, if I don't speak to your CEO, you could lose your job."

@home: "I'm sorry, my SEE-EE-OH doesn't have a telephone. Could you reboot your PC now please?"

@comcast: "Oh for heavens sake, you'll be the first against the wall"

@home: "Oh there's a problem with your wall, we'll send a technician round then. Thank you for calling @home."

Later on, the disgruntled employee complained about @home's recruitment policy. "At the interview, they said all I needed to be able to do was to pick up the phone and to speak English. Technical ability was never a requirement. They never did trust me - I was never allowed to see the secret document that showed how to transfer calls to people that fix problems. What is a cable modem anyway?"

not true! (2)

tester13 (186772) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368103)

I see no mention of this on Excite's home page and they have a news service. Take a look nothing there!

I get all my news from one source :)

Apple's Default Web Page (3, Funny)

schwatoo (521485) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368109)

On every new Mac (and every time you install a fresh OS upto and included 10.1) the Web Browser's default home page is http://apple.excite.com/ will this mean there'll be a lot of machines with a lot of broken home pages in a month or so?

Re:Apple's Default Web Page (1)

Detritus (11846) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368198)

I've noticed weird errors on that home page over the last week, which made me wonder if Excite was imploding.

Better to invest in beer than stock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2368187)

If you had purchased $1000 of @home stock in 1999 today you would have $1.30. If you had purchased $1000 of beer in 1999 today you would still have $59 in empty cans.

Oh God, ANYONE but AT&T! (2)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368202)

AT&T WorldNet was the dialup ISP I left when I got my Comcast@Home service. Cable or not, I was about to leave them anyway.

AT&T WorldNet, who offered me "unlimited" internet access for ~ $20 per month, and then complained that their network was overtaxed when I used it as per our agreement. A couple months before I finally went to cable, they switched from ~$20/month for unlimited, to ~$20/month for x hours, and then ridiculous additional charges for going over x. Fuck AT&T.

They ought to change their advertisting slogan to "AT&T. We have altered the deal. Pray we do not alter if further."

I'm glad.. (2)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368220)

..that @home didn't gobble up our local broadband ISP, planetcable when the cable company switched over to comcast.

The service isn't always the most stable (more crappy line to my house related than anything, I think), but I like the way they run the business, allowing me to do as I please with the bandwidth they provide. Having your own mail server and web server to do anything you want with is wonderful.

This would be cool (1)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368319)

if Andover.net bought @home's pipes and servers.

That way when MS/MPAA/RIAA come calling there will be a corporation with backbone/cajones and actually *protect* its users and *uphold* its/our right...be worth billions. Oh, and as far as a legal team get the FSF (defenders of 2600 et al?) and lobby, lobby, lobby for *intelligent* laws.

Moose.

"We are talking about the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind."

No good broadband in my neck of the woods... (2, Interesting)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 13 years ago | (#2368412)

I live in the east San Fernando Valley, and now I really don't have any decent options for broadband.

1.) Verizon is my ILEC out here. Verizon gave me only 384/128 dialup over a 768/128 "Bronze" ADSL connection when I had Flashcom service. Flashcom would point fingers at Verizon, Verizon would point fingers at Flashcom. Nothing got resolved. Eventually I quit in disgust.

2.) Adelphia@Home is the cable modem option out here. They actually had a hella deal for a while...free for 3 months, 1/2 price for 6 months, then 25% off for the next 3 months. However, I never got a straight answer about the infrastructure they are using in my neighborhood. Is it DOCSIS or is it old-school cable modem? What's the policy on adding nodes? The sales droids lied to me all the way down the line as far as what they were giving me. "DOCSIS? Sure! It's top-of-the-line infrastructure out your way!" Then when the cable guy came over to install it, I asked him what was going on. "Oh, this isn't DOCSIS. You're getting the old style setup...we won't be using DOCSIS in this neighborhood for at least six months." I told him thank you, no, and that's where that stands.

And what about other options? Satellite? Too expensive, Windows 95/98 only, latency is sucky. Ad-hoc 802.11b networks? Not enough geeks live here, security stinks on ice, Internet access questionable.

So here I sit with v90 dialup for the forseeable future. I don't live in some podunk town where you can throw a rock from end to end. I live in the Greater Los Angeles area. Thanks, ILECs, for killing all the DSL CLECs. Thank you, Los Angeles City Council, for not allowing competition for cable access. Thank you, assholes...I have to suck the Internet through a straw while other friends of mine have a big pipe. Fsck y'all.

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