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Evolution 0.99, Release Candidate Out

CmdrTaco posted about 13 years ago | from the report-those-bugs-people dept.

Ximian 443

savaget writes "Evolution 0.99 (Release Candidate 1) is out! "Yes, you read that right: the release candidate for Evolution 1.0 hit the wires this evening. After two years of hard work and more than 700 thousand lines of code written, the sleepless hackers at Ximian are finally getting to the long-awaited 1.0 release of Evolution, the GNOME groupware suite."" One of the most important projects in the open source world today. Best of luck to the monkey boys @ Ximian squashing any last minute arrivals.

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Second Post ;) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537748)


Assertion Failed: Yuo!=Cumlicking Drool Faced Scum (-1)

benevolent_spork (446160) | about 13 years ago | (#2537802)

Anonymous Coward Dies at IQ 58

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bloat (2, Interesting)

SETY (46845) | about 13 years ago | (#2537755)

Does 700,000 lines of code seem a little bloated to anyone else? I guess it is suppose to do everything (kitchen sink included)..........

sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537800)

Come back when you have a real issue to complain about rather than just spewing this garbage out when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Re:sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537832)

"you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about."

Oh, and you do?

Re:sure... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537869)

What a comeback!

Re:bloat (2, Flamebait)

dmelomed (148666) | about 13 years ago | (#2537806)

Yes it does. I've tried Evolution before, and it doesn't even do so much to justify its bloat. Go ahead, mod this "flamebait", I don't care.

If you want to have an open product that's better than Outlook, at least make it leaner and more functional. And what's with the identical look and feel? Can't they spend some time in _better_ than Outlook look and feel design?

Re:bloat (2, Funny)

SnapShot (171582) | about 13 years ago | (#2537831)

Can't they spend some time in _better_ than Outlook look and feel design?
They probably didn't implement the "auto-run trojan worms and VB viruses" funtionality. That may be covered under a MS software patent, however.

Re:bloat (1)

staili (200478) | about 13 years ago | (#2537880)

Maybe they'll also patent "Software crash" and "Informative blue screen that calms down customers"

Re:bloat (-1)

j0nkatz (315168) | about 13 years ago | (#2537859)

What you need to be asking is...

How much will VA Systems CHARGE for this software? Welcome to the real world VA Systems!

Re:bloat (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537914)

Flamebait? What's wrong with duscussing bloat of a product? Oh, I am sorry this is slashdot, bloated OSS discussion is forbidden!

Re:bloat (1)

Hater's Leaving, The (322238) | about 13 years ago | (#2537938)

Maybe, maybe not. It all depends on what 'groupware' is?

I know 'software', 'firmware' and 'hardware', but what is 'groupware'; is that like a beehive, or a termite mound, or something?

Using 'perplexedware',

Re:bloat (2, Interesting)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | about 13 years ago | (#2537962)

700,000 lines of code

How long is a line of code? Are we talking 80 chars, or is this the average of the developers using the pretty Frame Buffer mode at 1024x768?

Seriously. How long is a "line of code"?

Evolution in the making. (1)

pyrodex (473045) | about 13 years ago | (#2537765)

Ive been using Evo since .7 days and its come along way and its becoming the outlook of linux (I dont mean to insult Ximian). Its making email in linux closer to becoming something non techinical people can use.

Re:Evolution in the making. (0)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | about 13 years ago | (#2537783)

Too bad about the rest of the system.

-1, Flamebait

Re:Evolution in the making. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537799)

sylpheed/kmail are probably much easier to use for the ordinary user.

evo has features that 99.9% of users don't use.

However... (1)

13013dobbs (113910) | about 13 years ago | (#2537854)

email in linux closer to becoming something non techinical people can use.

when will linux itself be come something that non-technical people can use? Linux is improving on that front, but until it *is* easy for non-technical users to install and use, packages like Evolution, won't make much of a dent.

Re:However... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537961)

In the real world "something that non-technical people can use" equates to "like Windows" because that is what "non-technical people" in fact use. Two observations:

NOBODY uses Windows because it is easy to use, but because they have no choice. If Linux were (as a practical matter) the only choice, it too would be mistaken for being easy to use.

Much of the difficulty (and techie-orientation) of Linux is in installation and configuration. Once installed and configured properly (with Gnome, KDE, and basic apps) Linux is no harder to use than Windows. The kicker is, non-techies NEVER have to install Windows - it comes from the factory that way. Whenever they do have to worry about configuration (e.g. when adding new hardware), it's just as hard to do as it is in Linux - because you have to understand what's actually going on.

A car wouldn't be considered user-friendly if you had to install the engine and transmission yourself before you could drive - no matter what make and model it is.

Re:However... (2)

SCHecklerX (229973) | about 13 years ago | (#2537968)

And how many non-technical people do you know who did their own windoze install? Who are the ones who totally hose their systems due to lack of understanding then call you to come fix it for them?


Give easy to use apps in an already set-up environment, and people will be productive. I've been using Pronto mail, but the development on it has been slow lately and there are some very annoying bugs, so I may give evolution a try.

Full annoucement here (5, Informative)

savaget (26702) | about 13 years ago | (#2537767)

Full annoucement here [ximian.com]

Karma Whore (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537965)

I swear, the story posters at Slashdot deliberately leave out links and info just so some "insightful" whore can post an alternative link (or do a blatant copy/paste job).

That's NOT "informative" -- that's redundant!

cool (0)

Atrophis (103390) | about 13 years ago | (#2537774)

I hope it good be a replacement for outlook here at work... it would be one more step to getting to all linux insted of windows.

Re:cool (1, Insightful)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | about 13 years ago | (#2537803)

AFAIK most people only use Outlook to talk to exchange to use the calender features (and whatever else). So unless Evolution can talk to exchange its not gonna help much getting rid of Windows.


TRoLLaXoR (181585) | about 13 years ago | (#2537776)

iMac/233- $300

iBook/300- $ 500 (Blueberry)
iBook/366- $ 750 (Graphite or Tangerine)
iBook/466- $1000 (Graphite or Key Lime)

These are prices from eBay, which are cheaper than reseller prices. Most of
the places selling these used models would charge about %20-%50 more.

All of these iBooks above have 66MHz systems busses, which the CPU uses to
talk to the other system components (RAM, PCI bus, etc.). Max resolution is
800x600 on all of them. The model you're looking at won't have a FireWire

One thing I have to say about the iBook 2 vs. the original-- the original is
so much more fucking durable. My new iBook has more ports, can hold more
RAM, higher resolution, etc-- so basically it's a desktop replacement-- but
as of now I am planning on selling my iBook/300 in another year to grab a
Graphite 466 model to take with me when I travel. For travel it can't be
beat. The thing can be taken anywhere in anything, whereas the new iBook is
so prone to micro-scratches in its outer shell it isn't funny. There's
concern for the keys scratching the screen, too, since the lid is flimisier
than the old iBooks', but so far mine hasn't.

With enough RAM all of the above iBooks can handle Mac OS X well-- just make
sure to be using at least 10.1 because it's a major improvement over 10. A
lot of the big software titles require 10.1 too. I can't find any links to
the 512 meg chip for the older iBooks, but I think the ones they sell for
the new iBooks will work (the specs seem to match).


Cheesy Fool (530943) | about 13 years ago | (#2537840)

They look so fucking ugly though. At least the newer iBooks look good.

Evolution project homepage is here (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537780)


http://www.ximian.com/products/ximian_evolution/ [ximian.com]

Bloated....? (2, Interesting)

eviltypeguy (521224) | about 13 years ago | (#2537781)

700,000 lines is actually pretty small compared to most commercial products these days. And depending on the language it's written in that can vary. Of course it's often been said that most Open Source projects don't have a lot of quality control in the programming department. A lot of strict guidelines are enforced on both coding style and coding documentation where I work.

It is nice to see that the Open Source community can produce something that's every bit as good as Outlook in functionality (I didn't say stability :)...

Re:Bloated....? (3, Interesting)

Publicus (415536) | about 13 years ago | (#2537841)

What I've heard is that Ximian has some of the strictest guidelines for code style and quality, which is more than I can say about what I've heard of M$. Also, I don't understand your (I didn't say stability :)) remark. Are you saying Outlook is stable and Evolution is not? I wouldn't say that, as someone who has to use Outlook at work. Half the time it doesn't exit cleanly, but who knows, that could be the crappy OS too.

Ximian's work has influenced my distribution choices in the recent past, because it is so good. Does anyone know if the Ximian Destop works with 'woody'? The Ximian site says potato, but I would imagine it would work with woody. I haven't taken the time to try yet.

Re:Bloated....? (2, Interesting)

richw (20467) | about 13 years ago | (#2537867)

They've been promising Woody support RSN for a while but the last I heard it probably wouldn't be supported until Woody becomes stable.

Re:Bloated....? (2)

luge (4808) | about 13 years ago | (#2537976)

No, we've never promised woody support RSN. The consistent line since XG 1.4 has been 'we'll support it when it is released as debian stable.'
Luis Villa
Ximian Bugmaster

Re:Bloated....? (2)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 13 years ago | (#2537883)

Ximian's work has influenced my distribution choices in the recent past, because it is so good. Does anyone know if the Ximian Destop works with 'woody'? The Ximian site says potato, but I would imagine it would work with woody. I haven't taken the time to try yet

you know what I would like to see, the Ximian desktop included in distrobutions. I don't like Gnome by it seld, but with the ximian desktop complete with set up tools, a soon to be GTK+ open office, evoltion, Nautulis, and Gallion, I could not imagine a better desktop for Linux, it is consistent, powerful, nice looking and set up to be productive.

now, if only they can make symlinking a little more intuitive...............

Re:Bloated....? (1)

coke machine (409544) | about 13 years ago | (#2537896)

The installer won't work if it detects woody I think, but if you change your /etc/debian_version to 'potato/stable', the installer should start.

Re:Bloated....? (2)

luge (4808) | about 13 years ago | (#2537988)

Red Carpet will crash instantly on the woody libc if you try that, though the installer might work.

Re:Bloated....? (1)

benjj (302095) | about 13 years ago | (#2537949)

It works with woody, but you have to be prepared for the odd dependency conflict. It does work quite well, but what is woody's GNOME like now? I get the impression that it's quite up to date too?

Re:Bloated....? (2)

FatRatBastard (7583) | about 13 years ago | (#2537980)

Does anyone know if the Ximian Destop works with 'woody'?

Yes it does (at least so far). Due to the aforementioned memory blowup I took the opportunity to do a fresh install of Debian and upgraded to woody. Some things don't work (like the go-gnome script) but I have gotten Ximian Gnome to install via the appropriate /etc/apt/source.list entry:

deb http://red-carpet.ximian.com/debian stable main

Doing an apt-get install task-ximian-gnome *won't* work though. It pitches a fit about some package it cannot install (sorry, but at my work NT box and can't remember which one makes it puke). BUT, if you already have a vanilla version of gnome on the system and you do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade it should pull down the Ximian replacements. You may also have to pull down some other Ximian goodies one by one via apt-get install. Evolution works but I have heard Red Carpet doesn't (I haven't tested that... still waiting for replacement memory from Micron). Other than that everything works peachy.

Hope that helps.

Re:Bloated....? (2)

elefantstn (195873) | about 13 years ago | (#2537992)

I've not had good luck with Woody and Ximian - there are package naming conflicts that can result in an older Ximian package with a higher number not upgrading to a newer Woody package. When libgnomeprint did this to me, it kept a large number of applications from running. My advice is to either use Potato with Ximian or use Sid without. I'm using Sid, and all the Ximian-authored stuff comes through almost immediately, without all the conflicts.

Re:Bloated....? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537889)

700,000 lines is actually pretty small compared to most commercial products these days. And depending on the language it's written in that can vary.

Yeah, that's right _commercial_ products. This isn't a commercial product. Open source software obliterates some commercial software in many areas, why should it suffer in GUI applications area? I think the goal to write small and lean software is just not there anymore for many developers. What a shame. Soon we'll be able to rate some OSS software as the most bloated. I give Mozilla 10 out of 10. Evolution maybe 9. BIND and sendmail are definitely 10.

Re:Bloated....? (5, Insightful)

miguel (7116) | about 13 years ago | (#2537897)

Rob Pike said in his talk on `System Research is Irrelevant' that 90 to 95% of the code in Plan9 was
code to cope with standards and not with new innovative ideas (tcp/ip, http, corba, unicode, posix, mime, pop, imap, x).

A similar scenario happens with Evolution. Modern applications like Evolution are expected to deal with all sorts of IMAP servers, with all sorts of configurations, in a bug compatible fashion and with different "interpretations" of the standard.

Apply this across the board: authentication through SASL (being used more and more and being pretty cool as well), S/SMTP, S/IMAP, IMAP, POP, the various mail formats in Unix you need to import. Then add to the mix decoding MIME message s (both well formed, and ill formed, standard compliant and non-standard compliant), then generating correct Mime code.

Adding code to support features like disconnected IMAP, downloading only the headers, or the whole thing, making it useful over dialup lines.

The calendar tracks the iMIP, iTIP, ICalendar specifications. And can talk to Outlook 2000 and Outlook XP (they dont talk between each other, for calendaring, btw). And the list goes on and on.

HTML mail is supported, correctly forwarding messages is supported (in any combination that you want ;-)

Then add pilot syncing to the mix.

So Evolution is big, because it adapts to the needs of modern users. And it has to cope with the needs of different communities.

Evolution will keep growing to address the needs of more people, and will keep improving. We would of course love to get your contributions to optimize it in every possible way.


notes (1)

kel-tor (146691) | about 13 years ago | (#2537984)

My work uses notes for it's client (running through vmware, tho i understand it's reletively easy to run through wine). I've been hoping for IBM to get off its arse and release linux builds for the client, designer, and admin (not just the domino server), but as yet...

So, im curious if evolution can interface at all with a domino mail server and esp the group calendaring part.

Re:Bloated....? (2)

Psiren (6145) | about 13 years ago | (#2537989)

I'm writing my own mail application (for various reasons, none of which I'll go into here) and I am aware of the complications of imap et al. Just interpreting the imap rfc is a challenge in itself. Parsing the message structure correctly took me about two weeks. Still, the challenge is one of the reasons for doing it.

Anyway, hope those last few bugs get squashed. Last time I tried it btw, it crashed and burned quite spectacularly. Mines pretty solid, but then it doesn't do anything yet *grin*

Trial Installs... (5, Interesting)

FatRatBastard (7583) | about 13 years ago | (#2537784)

I like Evolution a lot, and its become my e-mail client of choice as of late (well, when my machine's memory isn't going up in smoke that is) but I was wondering if anyone has done any evalutions of Evolution on a large scale basis.

I.e. has anyone in a company been testing to see how well it plays with existing back end infrastructure (Exchange, etc)? How well does it play with others? Which features does it not play with well? Where does it need more work? Ect.

Re:Trial Installs... (2)

cnkeller (181482) | about 13 years ago | (#2537941)

I.e. has anyone in a company been testing to see how well it plays with existing back end infrastructure (Exchange, etc)?

I've been using evolution for a while now in various configurations. I use the CVS nightlies at work and the RH evolution build by dsainty at home (an older version).

I connect to an exchange server at work via IMAP, my ISP via pop3, and my local box at home by S/IMAP and/or S/POP. All with zero problems. I've played around with sending encrypted and digitally signed mail..again all perfect. I haven't done any PDA stuff, but as an email client, I've found it to be basically flawless.

Evolution doesn't exist... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537787)

I thought that evolution was just some myth that heathens like to spit out to try and put down the Christians?
Looks like a good program though, if it exists, but too bad they didn't use KDE/QT :) Everyone knows that KDE is far supiour to GTK. Also:
Windows is better than Linux. IDE is superior to SCSI, Slackware is better than Debian, and C++ is far superiour to C.
That's enough religous wars for now.

Port to Mac OS X? (4, Troll)

CokeBear (16811) | about 13 years ago | (#2537788)

Any plans to port to Mac OS X?
Would instantly have 10 times the potential market...

Re:Port to Mac OS X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537833)

Screw MacOS X. Apple doesn't care about Open Source or Linux. Anyway, Microsoft and Apple are in bed together, you can get Outlook for MacOS.

Re:Port to Mac OS X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537849)

> Would instantly have 10 times the potential
> market...

You're saying the OS X install base is 10x the Linux install base?! I'd like to see some links for that one!

Re:Port to Mac OS X? (1)

monkeyserver.com (311067) | about 13 years ago | (#2537878)

score 3 : ignorance

They should port it to mac to waste their time. No, but seriously, I am sure mac users would like having a nice email client, but not even someone with half the IQ of a dead squirel would believe that there is a 10X market for MACs over Linux, there isn't even 1/10 the market for MACs.

Check yourself son.

Re:Port to Mac OS X? (4, Interesting)

fizz-beyond (130257) | about 13 years ago | (#2537953)

What interestes me more is if there is any plans to port to any other OS in general? lets think about this for a second... They have an opensource mail client which does almost everything that outlook does (almost being that it cannot connect to MSexchange server through the propriatary MS way). If they ported it to other OS's including Mac OS X, and windows they might be able to steal some of Outlooks userbase. that and well bye bye email viruses...

That will be the day (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537789)

When Gnome is stable...:)

looks (1)

dciman (106457) | about 13 years ago | (#2537792)

It really is a shame there is such an emphasis on eye candy in the gnome area. I have always found things painfully bogged down at times, even with an up to date video card and drivers. Although I do prefer KDE, my all time favorite is still Blackbox. [blackbox.alug.org] I guess I'm just a minimalist, but I love the speed and responsiveness of this wm.

Re:looks (1, Offtopic)

GypC (7592) | about 13 years ago | (#2537936)

Apples and oranges. Blackbox is just a window manager, so basically you prefer plain old X without a "Desktop Environment" like those offered by Gnome and KDE.

So do I, but I get tired of explaining the difference, that's left as an exercise for the reader...

Already available on Red Carpet. (3, Interesting)

Picass0 (147474) | about 13 years ago | (#2537793)

I did a Red Carpet update a few days ago and my Evolution now says it's ver .99 release candidate 1. Just to get rid of the "Thank you for using..." nag screen it's worth the upgrade.

Re:Already available on Red Carpet. (2, Informative)

Nadir (805) | about 13 years ago | (#2537837)

Removing the nag screen has always been possible by setting an environment variable...
I have the following line in my .bash_profile


long time poster, first time user (3, Interesting)

the_rev_matt (239420) | about 13 years ago | (#2537797)

Seriously though, I've been using Evo since the .5 days and have enjoyed watching the advances in stability and feature set. Sure, it's no pine, but it's stable and offers all the functionality I need to convince my wife to try linux instead of winblows (she swears by Eudora and won't use anything else, no matter how much she complains when her Win2k box crashes several times/week).

FTP downloading already /.'ed (1, Informative)

PoiBoy (525770) | about 13 years ago | (#2537801)

Just tried downloading the binaries. The FTP server has too many users.

"One of the most important projects..." (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537804)

Cmon guys....

Why would an email program be the most important project in the open source community??

There are a LOT of users that are completely happy with the features of mutt/pine, and there are a LOT of projects that are a LOT more important than client side email application and groupware services...

Linux is and has always been a server OS and I find it rather amusing that a simple pretty GUI email application is being crowned as "One of the most important projects in the open source world today"

Yet another piece of horrible slashdot reporting, do you people do any kind of research on your news posts? Or if I submit a link (to a fake page) saying that IBM is going bankrupt will you post it? I think yes as long as the fake page looks convincing...

Re:"One of the most important projects..." (1)

ChrisJC (62147) | about 13 years ago | (#2537839)

It is an important project because a lack of Outlook style software is a major reason that I use NT4 for most of my work, and switch to Linux when I have to, rather than vice versa.

Real question is though, will it work with Exchange servers?, i.e. exchange servers that are using M$ proprietary protocols?

Re:"One of the most important projects..." (1)

Enzondio (110173) | about 13 years ago | (#2537955)

On the website it says that its calendar is compatible with Exchange, but I doubt the actual E-mail portion would be (unless you just treat the Exchange server as a POP3 server). Anyway, there seemed to be very little detail on how it would actually interact in an Exchange environment.

Re:"One of the most important projects..." (4, Insightful)

tmark (230091) | about 13 years ago | (#2537893)

Linux is and has always been a server OS and I find it rather amusing that a simple pretty GUI email application is being crowned as "One of the most important projects in the open source world today"

It is amusing. Many die-hard Linux advocates claim that the fact that MS still holds the desktop for the foreseeable future is irrelevant. Yet the way projects like this are being touted whenever there is some progress made suggests inconsistency. As with most chauvinisms, particular points are relevant only to the extent that one's own biases are being advanced.

Kmail et. al. (1)

Neil Watson (60859) | about 13 years ago | (#2537810)

How is Evolution different from the combination of Kmail, Korganizer, and Kaddressbook which all integrate with each other so nicely?

Re:Kmail et. al. (1)

ewilts (121990) | about 13 years ago | (#2537875)

KMail has a barely functional IMAP implementation that can't even tell you how many new messages you've got in each folder without changing to that folder.

The poor IMAP support in KMail is what drove me to Evolution, and I certainly have not regretted it.

Converting from Kmail? (0, Offtopic)

bomek (63323) | about 13 years ago | (#2537817)

I tried to export my mail from KMail to evolution but not all emails are there.

Kmail put all mails into different files corresponding to folder in ~/Mail in mbox format. So, i "cat" every files into one big file and i tell evolution it's my mailbox. The problem is, why my file MailingList is empty? In kmail, it's a folder that contains more folders but where the hell are those emails?

-rw------- 1 bomek regulier 0 mar 22 2001 Forums
-rw------- 1 bomek regulier 0 jun 3 03:10 MailingList
-rw------- 1 bomek regulier 6177 nov 8 09:50 Root
-rw------- 1 bomek regulier 4846003 nov 8 09:50 Spam
-rw------- 1 bomek regulier 2212 mar 22 2001 Travail
-rw------- 1 bomek regulier 0 jan 3 2001 drafts
-rw------- 1 bomek regulier 13098043 nov 8 09:50 inbox
-rw------- 1 bomek regulier 0 nov 7 16:21 outbox
-rw------- 1 bomek regulier 11421317 nov 7 16:21 sent-mail
-rw------- 1 bomek regulier 0 nov 7 11:33 trash

Folder Forums and MailingList are both folders that contains more folders. But where are the mails that those folders contains?

Re:Converting from Kmail? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537825)

just use kmail

Evolution is bloated Microsoft-wannabe shit

Re:Converting from Kmail? (2, Informative)

Clovert Agent (87154) | about 13 years ago | (#2537952)

Kmail put all mails into different files corresponding to folder in ~/Mail in mbox format. So, i "cat" every files into one big file and i tell evolution it's my mailbox.

Why did you do this? Evolution also maintains separate mbox files for each folder. Look in ~/evolution/local/

All you need to do is create directories off ~/evolution/local/[folder] for each mail folder and move the mbox file in there, renaming the file to "mbox" on the way.

In brief, for each mail folder, you want ~/evolution/local/[folder]/mbox

Evolution (IIRC) will create the various control files as required.

Huh? (1)

ankit (70020) | about 13 years ago | (#2537820)

Whats the fuss all about?
Whats wrong with mutt+fetchmail+procmail & slrn?

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537884)

Obviously if people are excited about evolution, a lot.

Nothing is wrong with your setup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537991)

In fact your setup fits in far better with the unix philosophy than a monolithic app like Evolution.

Don't fret, I expect Evolution support to be a mile wide and an inch thick - come back in a year and take a poll to see how many people are using it - I suspect the number will be low.

Re:Huh? (2)

GypC (7592) | about 13 years ago | (#2538000)

They require literate users and can be used over a ssh session. Obviously the inferior solution is better since it's more like Microsoft's solution


I'm so happy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537823)

I woke up this morning, and my diaper was dry!
I'm going to be a big girl pretty soon.
Wait.. I want to keep my diapers.


Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537959)

LISTEN, DIAPERS ARE ON TOPIC BECAUSE YOUR WIFE CAN EMAIL YOU FROM WORK AND TELL YOU THAT YOUR 3 year old daughter is all out of Pampers, and that she needs you to buy some more Pampers. By the way, when you get home, you're going to be the one to lift up her skirt and put her into a fresh, new, clean Pampers. With baby powder. and stick a pacifier in her mouth.

As someone who has hated Outlook for a long time.. (4, Interesting)

Teancom (13486) | about 13 years ago | (#2537829)

I just can't get over the interface. Yes, yes, I know, it's "intuitive" (read: familiar to people who've used Outlook), it's just doesn't match the way I work. As a long-time hater of the KDE 1.x line (ugly, windows-based crap) I never thought there would come the day that I would drop Gnome and/or E in favor of KDE, but that day has come (and gone, I switched over 6 months ago). KMail is the only mail client I've used in linux that approaches Eudora in ease of use *and* features. Ingo, Marc, and Michael have crafted a nice, stable, mail client. Evolution would do well to get to the same level.

That said, GO GNOME! If they can win me back on technical merits, rock on. I've tried evolution a few times in the past, and (like moz) people keep saying "try the latest nightlies! they are *so* much better!". Well, when they do reach 1.0, I'll try them again. Never let it be said I'm not open minded *grin*.

Re:As someone who has hated Outlook for a long tim (5, Informative)

Fnkmaster (89084) | about 13 years ago | (#2537870)

Hmm, I've found Evolution to be far more stable and usable than KMail. In particular, Evolution's IMAP support is superb. KMail, despite claims to the contrary, does not seem to be happy with large IMAP folders at all, and I have watched it crash and burn once or twice, but it was really the extremely slow startup time while rechecking the entirety of my large IMAP folders. It's just too damned slow on startup. I have used it just fine with POP in the past though, I just think it has a ways to go on the back end support before it is as good as Evolution.

Re:As someone who has hated Outlook for a long tim (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537915)

yeah, but for the majority of us who use POP3>

kmail is less bloated than evo
kmail is nicely seperated from other apps
kmail has a nicer interface (imho, don't like outlook/windowish interface)

pop3 or imap (1)

kel-tor (146691) | about 13 years ago | (#2537950)

what is the difference between these two exactly, like are each better for somethings?

Congrats.. (1, Flamebait)

fault0 (514452) | about 13 years ago | (#2537844)

Evolution has become the Emacs of email clients ;-)

(not saying this is a bad thing, but I prefer vi)

Re:Congrats.. (1)

ivan256 (17499) | about 13 years ago | (#2537940)

What are you talking about? emacs is the emacs of mail clients :)

Re:Congrats.. (2)

Jason Earl (1894) | about 13 years ago | (#2537964)

Not quite, I personally still prefer Emacs/Gnus to Evolution. Gnus flat slices and dices mail (yes Evolution's got some good stuff too), but more importantly I like editting text in Emacs. After all, there's nothing quite as cool as firing up artist mode for some cool ASCII art in your email (or a quick text based diagram), or being able to actually use your coding Emacs tricks when you send code samples in an email.

And a million other reasons. Besides, once you start down the Emacs trail you will soon find that Emacs does everything. I use it to keep track of appointments and contacts too.

So Evolution isn't quite the Emacs of email clients. Emacs is still the Emacs of email clients. And it even has an excellent vi emulation mode!

Known issues (5, Informative)

Alien54 (180860) | about 13 years ago | (#2537851)

Of course, people following this all along would know this stuff, but I can see lots of people checking it for the first time, etc getting surpised.

So, as noted:

- In this build only, Palm-OS sychronization is temporarily disabled. It will return in the next release.
- Under certain rare circumstances, IMAP connections over SSL can hang Evolution. We expect to have this issue resolved shortly.

Just in case these things are important to you.

XML-RPC / SOAP (5, Interesting)

SnapperHead (178050) | about 13 years ago | (#2537853)

I wonder when / if they will be intrested in working with other projects on an open XML-RPC / SOAP standard for the data access. This way, they could pull there data from a phpGroupWare server, or pull data from any number of projects that support the standards.

There idea would a datastore is IMAP, which makes no sense to me. But, thats how they want to add groupware functionality. I haven't been following the project very close, a few other developers in phpGroupWare have been hounding them.

At any rate, if you would like to see there client work with other open source groupware applications via XML-RPC / SOAP. Start bugging them. :)

Look out, Notes and Exchange (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537866)

This is exactly actually what Linux needs to compete with Microsoft. Accenture, McKinsey and Hewitt all use Notes - if groupware is effective, the user might not care OS is running underneath.

Yeah, I like BlackBox and emacs myself. But a lot of people prefer the GUI goodness.

Re:Look out, Notes and Exchange (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2538002)

This is exactly actually what Linux needs to compete with Microsoft.

People have used this exact sentence with reference to at least a dozen projects...and guess what? Microsoft desktop market share holds firm.

Accenture, McKinsey and Hewitt all use Notes

Too bad for them. Notes is an absolutely dreadful product and I truly pity people who are forced to use it. Yes, forced, no one would use that load of crap left to their own devices.

it would be great (0, Redundant)

sehryan (412731) | about 13 years ago | (#2537877)

but i don't use linux at home, and neither does my job. this, along with the other ximian products look great, but i can't use them. and forcing the department of commerce to switch to linux isn't a viable option. the linux people tend to complain about all the windows software that they can't use on linux...well, now they have an opportunity to be the better people, and make something that is completely cross platform...linux, windows, mac. it would be a shame if this opportunity was passed up out of spite.

Re:it would be great (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | about 13 years ago | (#2537928)

I doubt that cross-platform (Mac and Windows anyway) is a top concern for Ximian. So either do it yourself (the source is there) or pay Ximian to do it.

but does it depend? (2, Interesting)

layyze (216392) | about 13 years ago | (#2537879)

I used Evolution for my mail on the systems where I run Redhat 7.0 and 7.1. The problem is that on my personal machines, I run Slackware 8.0. I love Slackware and there is no way that I'll switch just for a mail client. Has anyone had much success getting around the Ximian library dependency issues? Slackware can install RPM's in its own package format and there are extension's for .TGZ's package manager to include dependencies.
Anyway, My point is that Evolution like most of Ximian's stuff needs too many weird library dependencies (which is why I try not to use Ximian GNOME anywhere). I have tried to compile it using all of the requested RPM's and I have tried installing it and all of the requested libraries from source, but with no avail. Will there ever be a way to install it cross-distro like Mozilla or StarOffice's binary install? I think that this ability would help Evolution gain more ground in the Unix world.

...and don't forget... (2, Insightful)

kerskine (46804) | about 13 years ago | (#2537882)

Best of luck to the monkey boys @ Ximian

Let's not forget the Monkey Girls as well!!

Re:...and don't forget... (2, Funny)

NineNine (235196) | about 13 years ago | (#2538008)

Girls can code? If this is true, we need a full /. article reporting it. I'm not aware of any female coders.

Evolve my CellMail (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537894)

Evolution is pretty nice. But my only quandry is this:

when mailing my friends' cell phones, KMail provides no added MIME headers, whereas evolution litters their screens with routing verbosity.

where do we go from here?

FTP is /.'d , get source at my mirror (1)

atheos (192468) | about 13 years ago | (#2537899)

here, get the source here.

anonymous login

2 years for a mail client! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537900)

Meanwhile KDE charges on and leaves Gnome looking ever more insignificant.

bugs (2, Funny)

Thng (457255) | about 13 years ago | (#2537918)

Best of luck to the monkey boys @ Ximian squashing any last minute arrivals.

I assume Taco means bugs. Hasn't he ever been to a zoo? monkeys don't squash bugs... they pick them off each other and eat them. I bet that'd be a weird room to be in...

32MB to install Evolution. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537922)

skye:~# apt-get install evolution
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
bonobo-conf libbonobo-conf0 libgnome-pilot1
The following NEW packages will be installed:
bonobo-conf evolution libbonobo-conf0 libgnome-pilot1
0 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
Need to get 8667kB of archives. After unpacking 31.9MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Does anybody but me rather want to use Sylpheed with its 600K binary rather than 32MB?

Added to that, I've never been able to make Evolution even read my email box without crashing. When will it be 64 bit clean?

No more Outlook jealousy! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537929)

Now linux users can have an absurdly bloated email reader too!

Flogged (2, Interesting)

MindStalker (22827) | about 13 years ago | (#2537931)

I know I'll get flogged for this. But, is there any chance of running this in win32?

Re:Flogged (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2537943)


Evolution Availability Caveat (5, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | about 13 years ago | (#2537944)

Last minute update:

Evolution (any release) not permitted on computers owned or operated by schools or students in the State of Kansas.

Mirror (1)

FrostedWheat (172733) | about 13 years ago | (#2537958)

The main FTP is having a slashdot moment, for now here is a nice mirror:

ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/ximian/ [cnlab-switch.ch]

If this one starts slowing down there are always others - use the good 'ol google.com [google.com] .

This is a very timely release (1)

Anton Anatopopov (529711) | about 13 years ago | (#2537963)

Considering where microsoft's nebulous '.net' marketing strategy is at the moment, Ximinan and the gnome developers have a real shot at taking over the e-commerce middleware standards crown.

Question is, does it play well with windows. What is the interoperability going to be like ? I heard Microsoft were going to make parts of .net free software. Will these microsoft code snippets find their way into the Gnome code base ?

Working with Exchange? (4, Interesting)

update() (217397) | about 13 years ago | (#2537967)

I've tried Evolution and it works nicely, although I prefer a Eudora/KMail style interface for my own use.

What I'm confused about is to what degree it does or doesn't work with Exchange. It's such an obvious Outlook clone and the web site brags about how it "works alongside messaging systems such as Microsoft Exchange and Lotus Notes." so I was hoping my wife could use it to replace the web interface to Exchange on her Solaris workstation. (It's not so bad when you have IE available, but it's clunky with Konqueror and awful in Communicator or Mozilla.)

It seems, though, that Evolution supports vCard and the calendar standard (forget its name) but the Exchange mail support is limited to IMAP and POP. Is that right or am I missing something?

By the way, for the people squabbling about Evolution vs KMail -- they're different things. I prefer the lighter interface without features I don't need but it's an apple and orange comparison.

Farewell to the Unix design philosophy (4, Insightful)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | about 13 years ago | (#2537974)

More and more these days, linux projects are rejecting the canons of classic unix design - keep it small, keep it simple, sensibly limit the tasks solved by the code, integrate well with other utilities using simple interfaces.

Following these rules does not mean using mutt on the console - you can enjoy a GUI experience without creating bloatware. KMail is a great example of this - it reads and sends mail with a simple interface that does not attempt to solve an integrated problem.

Unfortunately so many linux projects have become so obsessed with attracting Windows users (why? Do we really expect these people to switch over? Get real!) that linux environments are becoming as fractured as Windows.

compatibility with Outlook (1)

zigzag (2071) | about 13 years ago | (#2537987)

Wouldn't it be great if the DOJ/Microsoft settlement forced MS to publish info about how to interface to Outlook? Evolution as an Outlook client and StarOffice compatibility with MS Word would open the floodgates.
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