Great points in Usenet history 428
no_nicks_available writes "An article on The Register points to some of the highlights of Usenet history. "
First mention of Microsoft, GNU, Madonna, the Compact Disc, and more. It's worth a look
if only to read the first kibo post to alt.religion.kibology.
What I wonder is... (Score:3, Interesting)
Couldn't of been bigger than a few megs.
Sept 11, Part 1 (Score:5, Funny)
slightly off-topic (Score:4, Funny)
"new group found: do you wish to subscribe to 'alt.sex.hello-kitty' ?(y/n)"
Re:slightly off-topic (Score:3, Funny)
We now return you to the current on-topic discussion....
Deja ... (Score:4, Offtopic)
Hrm, haven't we seen this [slashdot.org] already? Okay, so now the Register has an article, but it adds nothing. Woo. Go Slashdot. Bah.
Slashdot is Dying! (Score:3, Interesting)
1. Unoriginal headlines!
2. Repeated Stories
3. VA Linux --> VA software
4. Editors dont even bother reading the homepage
5. Editors dont post anymore
6. Threats of subscription
7. Threats of more intrusive advertising
--and finally, the real killer--
8. The trolls are becoming really quite imaginitive, original and funny.
Seriously though, for every duplicate story i'm sure there is a real peach missed.
A great source of quotes (Score:2)
Creativity is no substitute for knowing what you're doing
Oh yeah
Re:A great source of quotes (Score:3)
Re:A great source of quotes (Score:2, Funny)
I wish Lucas & Co. would get the thing going a little faster.
I can't really imagine waiting until 1997 to see all nine parts
of the Star Wars series.
First Mention of Micorsoft Windows (Score:3, Redundant)
What about Al Gore (Score:5, Funny)
in another 20 years time... (Score:2, Interesting)
Star Wars - Episode 6 (Score:4, Funny)
I wish Lucas & Co. would get the thing going a little faster. I can't really imagine waiting until 1997 to see all nine parts of the Star Wars series.
I wonder if that e-mail address still works so I can let him know that Episode 1 wasn't worth it...
Re:Star Wars - Episode 6 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Star Wars - Episode 6 (Score:3, Funny)
That's too bad. Know his current email address? I'd like to email him the answer to the trivia question ("A New Hope"). Hopefully I'll win a prize or something.
Re:Star Wars - Episode 6 (Score:5, Informative)
I don't find that post as interesting as a slightly earlier post I made, which I claim is the first announcement on Usenet of a remotely exploitable security hole [google.com].
Re:Star Wars - Episode 6 (Score:2)
First mention of Slashdot (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:First mention of Slashdot (Score:5, Funny)
Ever feel like you're not getting the whole story?
http://SLASHDOT.ORG
Wait, is there supposed to be some sort of logical link between these two lines? I can't figure it out.
Re:First mention of Slashdot (Score:4, Funny)
Highly amusing (Score:2)
Just can't keep a good Bastard down!
Early Usenet Fact (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Early Usenet Fact (Score:2)
Favorite Linus Quote (Score:5, Funny)
I can (well, almost) hear you asking yourselves "why?". Hurd will be out in a year (or two, or next month, who knows)
;)
I like this one (Score:3, Funny)
5 years from now everyone will be running free GNU on their 200 MIPS, 64M SPARCstation-5.
Duh! (Score:4, Informative)
first post to mention Slashdot [google.com].
First post to mention Slashdot.org [google.com]
The fools!
First Usenet Troll (Score:3, Interesting)
It's quite well composed: starts out slowly with a nod to the endless chocolate chip recipes, then builds towards more interesting "foods."
Re:First Usenet Troll (Score:2)
a Flame is very close to this except the person usualy has a valid complaint but gets overly inflamitory and offensive. he/she can back up the statment with an argument, and there is usualy som ewell though out reasoning involved.
this post was a flame not a troll.
the troll version would be.....
"you are all a bunch of rip off hacks who could not tell the end of a spoon from their own ass"
see the diffrence.
flaming is usualy more effective at stiring emotions because it has all the elements needed for an argument...which is mostly substance.
Re:First Usenet Troll (Score:2)
That, or he was being funny. Sometimes it's hard to tell.
Wasn't a flame. A flame would be "you are all a bunch of rip off hacks who could not tell the end of a spoon from their own ass."
Re:First Usenet Troll (Score:2)
Should USENET be considered as historic value? (Score:3, Insightful)
It seems that USENET and other digital online forums are becoming as important records of history as more traditional, non-digital means like books, newspapers, etc.
Posts, especially ones, like the Challenger, Berlin Wall, etc should be treated just like other media. In the future, and even now, historians will be using digital writings as primary sources.
Should we have a backup of this archive somewhere, before people start "removing" their own posts, etc?
Re:Should USENET be considered as historic value? (Score:4, Redundant)
Many tech employers do a web search of candidates they are considering hiring... in many cases, it tells you a lot more about the person than the person is willing to reveal in the formal interview process. At least on a web page of your own creation you have the ability to tear it down and recreate it as you see fit. Newsgroups are forever. If you posted strong opinions to a political forum or to a religious forum under your own name (probably before you realized there were spambots or USENET archives), then those messages will very heavily influence that HR person's opinion of you.
Similarly, there are many support groups on USENET. People with medical problems have posted to medical support groups in good faith. Granted, you already know that you are posting private information in a public forum, but probably nobody who does expects to see it archived for all eternity and for the curious to be able to pull it up decades later.
I did a little vanity surfing on Google's USENET archives, and it was both amusing and frightening. Amusing because it was a voice from the past reminding me exactly of who I was at the time. Frightening because there are many posts where I express a strong point-of-view.
Bear in mind, also, that the logistics of maintaining a recent 6 month archive of newsgroups back in 1995 was daunting for any ISP; I never dreamed that the entire USENET would be archived from 1981 because the storage costs were enormous. Now we've reached a point where storage costs are trivial.
OTOH, I can imagine what a tremendous resource this will be for future generations doing geneological research... but only partially so. Much of the internet community has wised up and now only post under psuedonyms.
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Re:Should USENET be considered as historic value? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Should USENET be considered as historic value? (Score:3, Insightful)
Jeremy
Re:Should USENET be considered as historic value? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Should USENET be considered as historic value? (Score:3, Informative)
Microsoft promises (Score:5, Insightful)
additionally, they are
going to add a fair amount of hardware error recovery (bad block
handling, parity and power fail interrupts, etc.), as well as record
handling, shared data segments, synchronous writing, improved
interprocess communications, networking, and languages: Pascal, BASIC,
FORTRAN, and COBOL.
Wow, if they add all that, it sounds like it would be just what their customer needs!
Take a look at the first spamming (Score:2)
Waiting until 1997! (Score:2, Interesting)
still the summer of 1983. I guess it takes that long to score
all the music, do all the film-editing, prepare all the promo
material, and all that junk.
I wish Lucas & Co. would get the thing going a little faster.
I can't really imagine waiting until 1997 to see all nine parts
of the Star Wars series.
MAN! It's 2002 almost - and we only have 4 of them out! Anyone care to predict when all 9 will be available on SuperVH-DVDRUS holographic cubes? Remember, do not think about the movie plot outside the specified viewing time or MS-AOL-DISNEY-AT&T-USGOV-TIME-WARNER will zap your brain for violating the DRM EULA!
Re:Waiting until 1997! (Score:2)
I'm being serious here... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I'm being serious here... (Score:2)
with tremendous fortune... (Score:2, Insightful)
That you could be held accountable for things that you thought dropped off the end of a bbs server into nothingness after about one week, is scary.
Ego Surf (Score:2)
Re:Ego Surf (Score:2, Insightful)
Linux versions (Score:4, Funny)
From: Vincent Weaver (weave@Glue.umd.edu)
Subject: NT 5.0
Newsgroups: um.wam
Date: 1997/11/18
I just saw at www.slashdot.org (an intersting news site) that it was
announced at Comdex that Windows NT 5.0 won't be shipping until 1999. I
find that sort of amusing. Linux will probably be at revision 3.0 by then
;) Seriously though. Often when I complain about a NT4.0 "feature" I get
told "just wait 5.0 will have that fixed and more..." but I guess MS is
falling behind...
Anyone have a slightly more revised estimate?
Re:Linux versions (Score:2, Informative)
Writing done proper (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Writing done proper (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Writing done proper (Score:2)
First true Usenet post using "teh" [google.com] -- a post to rec.cook, about brewing, "When the must is cool, (70 - 75 degrees F) add teh pectic enzyme and wine yeast."
First use of "teh" (Score:2, Interesting)
Message-ID: <anews.Aucbvax.6208> Newsgroups: fa.space
X-Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!space
From: ucbvax!space
Date: Thu Feb 18 03:58:17 1982
Subject: SPACE Digest V2 #108
X-Google-Info: Converted from the original A-News header
>From OTA@S1-A Thu Feb 18 03:27:49 1982
SPACE Digest
Volume 2 : Issue 108
[Ed. cut many lines of geeky space banter]
Date: 15 February 1982 03:59-EST
From: Jerry E. Pournelle <POURNE at MIT-MC>
Subject: Lunar colony and SPS plan
To: REM at MIT-MC
cc: SPACE at MIT-MC
The L-5 Society, using member talent including Dr. David Criswell and other lunar experts, plus SUNSAT people, plus some architects, plus human fctors types, will begin a "Project Deadalus"-like design of a Lunar colony as part of the L-5 Space Citizens conference at teh Hyatt Los Angeles Airport over weeken of 2-4 April.
What's interesting about this isn't just that it was posted by Jerry Pournelle, but also that he manages to leave the 'd' off of "weekend" and the "teh" after "over." Among other glaring tyops. Of course, it was four in the morning.
Wow. Goodbye Nethack, hello prehistoric USENET archives...
Re:Writing done proper (Score:2)
And before anyone comments, I learned reading phonetically in the early 70's, and typing was self taught on a typewriter (you younguns wouldn't know of such, it used paper, and *you* were the printer, prone to jamming, often a clunky process with lots of whiteout and smudging)...;)
Re:Writing done proper (Score:2)
also b4 95 not as mny ppl had carpal tunnel probs.
Re:Writing done proper (Score:4, Funny)
First Derek Smart post [google.com] - scroll down to see the first anti-Derek Smart flame.
How to? (Score:2)
Wish I could remember my student ID from a dozen years ago...
Re:How to? (Score:2)
Creation of Alt.Sex [google.com]
Goodness, what unnecessary controversy!
Re:How to? (Score:2)
=======
In article RONIE@cup.portal.com writes:
>I had What is called wet dreams when I
>was younger. If I was dreaming of a
>sexual encounter and I actually put
>it into the woman in the dream I would
>cum in my pants. I always woke up just
>then.
[35 lines of my entire follow-up to Elizabeth A Lear's article deleted]
That's very nice. I am glad you told us this. We really, REALLY care.
But why the fuck didn't you (a) SIGH your article, (b) make sure that the
quotes included in your article are somehow bracketed and (c) delete or
attribute *MY* article?!
Please learn how to use your editor and your NEWS reader. If it helps, I
will e-mail VI short reference guides, RN news reader sources and references
to widely available books that teach how to use VI and NEWS to RONIE, other
PORTAL users who insist on their inability to use a NEWS reader and editors
and, more important, the PORTAL management and administration.
"No regrets, no apologies" -- Ronald Reagan
Oleg KiselevARPA: lcc.oleg@seas.ucla.edu, oleg@gryphon.cts.com
(213)337-5230UUCP:...!{trwrb|ucla-cs}!lcc!oleg
DISCLAIMER: I speak for myself only.
Macintosh idea about fifteen years early... (Score:2)
I must strongly protest the discussed removal of the Macintosh related groups. I use the groups for my WORK which, among other things, involves looking into the feasiblity of using the Macintosh as an inexpensive graphics terminal IN THE UNIX ENVIRONMENT.
Add about fifteen years, and you have Apple putting the Mac look-and-feel on top of a *nix core.
I really wish Google would add a "First mention" search button, or at least allow you to reverse the order of display.
Challenger Post (Score:5, Interesting)
For the "current" generation, those people that are children now, September 11th and Oklahoma City will likely be such defining events. The impact is staggering in the mind, and children today will realize the impact more heavily than those that are appreciably older or younger.
For me, that defining moment, that point that will always stick with me, was the Challenger disaster. I remember every detail of the moments surrounding the explosion, and even the briefest mention of those events brings those memories back in force.
That usenet posting, a simple pure description of what one person knew just moments after the explosion, brought it all back more clearly than ever before. Any footage I see today is part of a documentary, any account is a recollection by someone remembering something that happened 15 years ago. But that post was pure. There was no commentary before or after about what it meant, and it was untainted by reflection or further consideration. It just showed what one person knew.
I won't go on to talk about the importance of the internet or compare it to other media; there are other forums for that. But I can say only that I appreciate what google has done by capturing and bringing back a real history of the last 20 years.
Re:Challenger Post (Score:2)
First Usenet post from an AOL account (Score:2, Funny)
the list is incomplete (Score:2, Funny)
This list is nice, but incomplete. It would nice to see a *COMPLETE* "Great Moments in Usenet History" list, including:
First alt.binaries porn image
Birth of alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die
First use of the word "pr0n"
First appearance of "31337"
First reference to Bill Gates as the anti-christ.
I'm sure my list is incomplete as well, but it's a start.
SPISPOPD (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:SPISPOPD (Score:3, Informative)
Try this, too. [google.com]
Re:SPISPOPD (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:SPISPOPD (Score:2)
-russ
Re:SPISPOPD (Score:3, Interesting)
So, Have you stopped beating your wife? (Score:5, Funny)
And then you answer "Yep, I gave a break to her since she's still choking on her blood.
And then you both have a huge laugh.
Man, people from the 80s are weird.
Re:So, Have you stopped beating your wife? (Score:2)
-Shieldwolf
Re:So, Have you stopped beating your wife? (Score:2, Interesting)
The fact that it is a Bad Thing to admit is part of the poignancy of the paradox, since our perceptions of truth are, in law (and in every other walk of life), tainted by the very way we ask questions. This example was most likely used because geeks are into verbal and logical paradoxes, not because they like to make light of domestic violence.
(On a related note, if I make a joke about Schrodinger's cat, it doesn't mean I think animal cruelty is funny. It's just a shared piece of geek culture that I'm sure a lot of Slashdotters would recognize.)
Second post from AOL (Score:5, Funny)
From: aluser@aol.com (aluser@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Is America Online Connected to the Internet or Not?
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Date: 1992-05-05 13:45:06 PST
> I have read many postings about America Online and the Internet in
> this newsgroup. Since some of the information has been not quite
> right I figured I should make a posting to clear up any misconseptions
> that might exist. There is an America Online gateway to Internet. It
> is now going into 'open' beta testing. To send mail to an America
> Online, Promenade or PC-Link user you need to know the user's screen
> name. The only way to get a user's screen name is to contact them by
> other means (ie there is no name server). Once you know a user's
> screen name remove any spaces, make it lower case, and append
> @aol.com. For example to send to the screen name A User you would
> address your mail to auser@aol.com.
>
> To send mail from America Online to the Internet you simply put the
> Internet address in the To: field on the regular mail form. In a
> previous post the question was posed as to whether or not there are
> 'special' gateways for Compuserve, MCI Mail etc. The answer is no,
> there are not. For some of the more popular services abbreviations
> have been created; for example to send to a Compuserve user you can
> use the address 123.4567@cis. Additional information can be found on
> America Online by using the keyword InetBeta. There is no additional
> charge for using the Internet mail gateway. Mail is limited to around
> 27k bytes in both directions. If you notice any problems with this
> gateway please send mail to inetbeta1@aol.com from the Internet or
> inetbeta from America Online.
>
>
> George Browning Programmer/Analyst gbrowning@aol.com
>
> ** BETA TEST MAIL Report bugs to INetBeta1@aol.com **
me too
Re:Second post from AOL (Score:2)
it may be stereotyping, but back in those days, AOLers as a whole were "not quit up there" with the other folks on the net.
Hacker's Dictionary following (long!) (Score:2)
Not sure who posted it, some guy named hansen, I guess (houxs!hansen). They had pretty wacky email addresses back then. What's up with that?
Re:Hacker's Dictionary following (long!) (Score:2)
Bang-path addressing (Score:5, Interesting)
UUCP email specified the full route. The email address of the poster, in full, was: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!mhtsa!ihnss!houxi!houxs!hansen which means this:
The news server this message was retrieved from is utzoo. The message came to utzoo from decvax, and from there from ucbvax, and from there from mhtsa, and from there from ihnss, and from there from houxi, and from there from houxs which was directly connected in some manner to hansen (perhaps hansen is a user on houxi; the important thing though is that houxi knows what hansen is).
so, if you want to send hansen email, and you're currently using ucbvax, then you send email to mhtsa!ihnss!houxi!houxs!hansen for example. If you're on a system that isn't in the bang-path, then you have to know the way to a system that is.
This is why MX-type Internet email got very popular very fast. However, sendmail still supports UUCP delivery, though most sane people compile it out.
Oldest first (Score:2)
The thing that bugged me is they were emphasizing first posts and asking for additional topics to add to their timeline, but they didn't have an "oldest first" sort option. (Like Slashdot...)
"Teh" (Score:2, Redundant)
Mr. Spey
Kibology (Score:4, Informative)
First proto copy protection post (Score:3, Interesting)
Subject: RE: Copy Perversion Hall of Shame (Re: Msg 12585)
Date: 8-SEP-20:43: Bugs & Features
I've tried my best to avoid Copy Perverted software, but I have a few around.
My own gripe is Think Educational Software for MacEdgeII, a program for drills
in math, etc. I would think that a program which is best used by sitting the
kid in front of the Mac for an hour or so to fend for himself would be easily
backed up. Kids do the darndest things, after all, and can erase a disk at
twenty feet by looking at it sideways. This sucker is so rigged, though, that
making a copy is very difficult (i.e. you need H D Utility), and the program
still only gives you the choice to "Eject" rather than "Quit", meaning a full
shutdown.
I guess you have to look at it from their standpoint, though. I expect there
are millions of little kids out there with Macs...."Hey, Bobby, wanna copy of
this nifty math study program? Boy, talk about fun!"
;-)
Alf
P.S. While we are on the subject, I noted today in the GMUGazette (St. Louis
Gateway Area Mac Users Group) that after reprinting an article title "Freeing
Excel" which gave the patch for a particular MS program, it was pointed out
to them that "to defeat copy protection, even for registered owners, is
illegal."
If only they knew
the FIRST MS bash that includes Bill Gates in it. (Score:4, Funny)
files without carriage returns. In the same article Bill Gates said:
"There's really a lot of dirty software on the market now; we'll have to
educate the developers about how to write better software." Judging by
DOS 2.0, edlin, and Microsoft Pascal, it would appear that Microsoft
will have to look outside their organization for suitable teachers.
they knew MS made crapy software back then too!!!!
BOFH/AOL connection (Score:4, Funny)
Coincidence? You decide.
-Peter
PS: Please feel free to not post "BOFH is about an operator, and since you obviously don't even know what a real computer was in those days . .
-P
What about b1ff? (Score:3, Funny)
BTW has anyone ever positively identified b1ff?
JMS and B5 discussions? (Score:2)
I am really glad to see these (in particular, and many others in general) available again!
(P.S.: I always tried to live by a policy of being the most reasonable person in any discussion, especially online. Thank goodness; I don't appear to have any past sins to worry about from this newly available archive.)
Yay! Prior Art! (Score:4, Interesting)
I wonder if we can force the USPTO to look at the USENET archive?
Best treasure I've found so far... (Score:5, Interesting)
Man, 1997 was a different world.
RMS on GNU... where have we gone? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:This was a great article. (Score:2)
Results 1 - 10 of about 419
(smacks forehead) what the hell was I *talking about* back then?? Luckily, with my name, no one is likely to find my particular sensless ramlings..
Re:Does Google ever get slashdotted? (Score:2, Insightful)
While Slashdot has a formidable user base, I'm sure the Slashdot Effect barely registers compared to the mountains of traffic google gets every minute of every day. It is, after all, the #1 Search Engine.
Google has very intelligent people working for it and they have done an excellent job of keeping the site light and responsive!
Re:Does Google ever get slashdotted? (Score:3, Interesting)
Google's engineers know their shit. They probably barely notice a visit from
Here's the Link to Posts of "American Taliban" (Score:2)
Interesting to say the least!
rk,
Re:An Excellent Resource (Score:5, Informative)
This [slashdot.org] is the link you're looking for.
Re:Andy vs Linus (Score:2, Informative)
And, yes, I know the parent is redundant. Sorry.
Re:Slashdot Sucks (No Really) (Score:2)
Re:Kibo? (Score:2, Interesting)
Hey Kibo, if you're reading this, remember that first Sun lab in the JEC?
Re:Kibo? (Score:5, Interesting)
> Hey Kibo, if you're reading this, remember that first Sun lab in the JEC?
Of course. It arrived the same summer as Podular, if I recall correctly.
I even remember being almost banned from that PAWL lab because I thought the "PAWL##.pawl.rpi.edu" names were boring so I made up names for all 23 machines and slapped stickers on them when nobody was around just to see if they'd get adopted. (I couldn't decide what naming scheme to use, so I named a third of the machines after science-fiction novelists, a third after cartoon sound effects, and I forget about the other third.)
Google even has a few of the posts I made from PAWL17 and PAWL23 and so on, plus a small fraction of the ones from MTS and Brazil. In late 1988 or possibly late 1987, Brazil was the first machine I used for Usenet access (RPI-ACM's 3B2) and then later it was the PAWLs and Sandro's *Forum-to-Usenet gateway. It was sometime during those years (probably around '87 or '88) that Mark-Jason Dominus (most likely, unless it was Todd McComb) said "There should be Kibology!" while we were at China Pagoda, and little did he realize that I was going to base the rest of my life on those four words. (Todd had a more concise, two-word philosophy -- "You're allowed!" -- which also warped me for life.)
Before Usenet, I had a conference on MTS's *Forum named "Kibo", I recall. I don't have the nine-track tape archive any more, but some printouts do exist of some of the, um, what's the word for stuff that doesn't have any highlights?
I like to think of 1985-1988 (my *Forum and Bitnet years) and 1988-1991 (my pre-alt.religion.kibology Usenet years) as the period when my articles were never worth reading, as opposed to now when they're only MOSTLY never worth reading.
The Google archive is quite spotty for my early years. They don't have my first month's worth from alt.religion.kibology, and they seem to be confused between the first posting I made from Schenectady (12/91) and my first posts to a.r.k (11/91).
(Plus a lot of people seem to have assumed I wasn't posting before that, even though Google has some articles I posted in 1988.)
Amusingly, in Google's list of their choice of 20 points in Usenet history, they identify the 12/91 article as my first a.r.k post, but the same sentence links to a page displaying the actual first article. (The one with almost half an attempt at some sort of onomatopoesis referring to Gene Spafford for reasons I can't remember.)
But at least Google doesn't have any articles from that one week I had a giant sword in my
I've been lucky enough to have the same E-mail address for over ten years, which also helps if you're actually trying to turn up my junk in the archive. The articles from before 1991 are harder to find because of all the weird permutations of Bitnet and UUCP addresses...
By the way, I don't read SlashDot.
-- K.
Re:Kibo? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Kibo? (Score:2)
Re:Kibo? (Score:2)
Speaking of which, why do you want to know how kibo is?
Re:People really need to stop predicting the futur (Score:2, Funny)
Re:World Wide Web (Score:2)