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AOL Time Warner Files Anti-Trust Suit against MS

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the who-didn't-see-that-coming dept.

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ChazeFroy writes "This article at the Washington Post says that AOL Time Warner has filed a suit against Microsoft seeking damages from anti-competitive practices over the Netscape browser." Can't say I'm surprised.

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And today's date is Jan. 22, 2002 (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884133)

Netscape hasn't been a viable browser since the late 90's.

Re:And today's date is Jan. 22, 2002 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884148)

[slashdot.org] best... FP... EVER!

Since you have failed... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884164)

to claim first post, I hereby declare the first post mine!

hahahaha (-1)

wenismonkey (267712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884134)

good. serves them right. its their plot to take over the world. blah blah blah.

you suck (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884135)

you ghey fockers

BAMBOO TUNA FISH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884136)

Bamboo
Tuna Fish

Hipocritical (2, Funny)

zhar (533174) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884137)

Is it just me or does the world's largest media company filing against the world's largest software company seem just a bit hipocritical?

Re:Hypocritical (1, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884154)

Tell me which market AOL holds a monopoly in and you may have a point.

Re:Hypocritical (2, Insightful)

Ooblek (544753) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884224)

AOL may not hold a monopoly by itself, but I'm betting non-TW companies aren't going to be able to buy pop-up ads on AOL. They don't have a monopoly yet, but they have the capability to make sure that the news you see, both online and on TV, comes from a single source. In short, you have to believe what they want you to believe.

I guess one corporate strategy is to sue people when your product can't compete in the market. Netscape chose a different path for the evolution of their product, and it appears it was the wrong one.

Re:Hipocritical (1)

dcgaber (473400) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884185)

Except AOL does not employ anticompetive tactics and run others out of the business. How many viable OS' are there for the Intel/AMD box (that have more than 5% usage) mmm. Windows, ow many viable magazines/cable channels/ISP/Movie Studios etc are there besides AOL TW...hmm, I don't have enough time to count.

Point is just because a company is big does not mean that they employ anticompetive methods to acheive or maintain that end. Or kill their competition which is what 2 federal courts and 8 Federal judges have ruled that MS did to Netscape.

Anticompetitive? try DMCA (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884274)

Except AOL does not employ anticompetive tactics and run others out of the business.

Except for those people who create independently developed DVD player or eBook reader applications and whose site is reachable from the United States.

Another Link on CNN (3, Redundant)

FatAlb3rt (533682) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884138)

Here. [cnn.com]

Re:Another Link on CNN (0)

beee (98582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884159)

karmawhore.

Re:Another Link on CNN (1)

rasactive (528598) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884208)

link about AOL/TW lawsuit on a site owned by AOL/TW? Subtle.

Very interesting (0, Redundant)

blkros (304521) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884144)

All sorts of rumors flying around about AOL/TW in the past few days.

All Slashdot users (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884147)

should file a suit against Slashdot seeking damages from anti-competitive practices over the unlimited editor moderation. [slashdot.org]

Re:All Slashdot users (0)

kgbguy (553028) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884216)

This is a filler comment. Please troll down and move on, there's nothing interesting to see here. Thank you. Oh, I almost forgot: X'th post!

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First Fucking Post (0, Troll)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884149)

That's number 2!!! Eat my ass!!

(20 seconds later)
2 minutes!?! Are you fucking kidding me?? Damn you, Slasdot, if you prevent me from Frist Pr0sting...

Yahoo! has the story from Reuters (2, Redundant)

netringer (319831) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884150)

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/020122/business_tech_aol_m icrosoft_dc_2.html

Better luck (1, Insightful)

MaxwellsSilverHammer (10318) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884152)

This is like Mothra versus Gamillon. Maybe TW/AOL will have better luck than the Feds in pinning something substantive on the eels.

Re:Better luck (4, Funny)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884165)

If we're lucky, they'll sue each other into oblivion.

Re:Better luck ?? (2, Insightful)

alfredo (18243) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884227)

They were nailed good, but Ashcroft relizing that MS gives a lot of money to his party decided to cut a deal with them. Let's turn over themarket to you and you continue giving us money.

how does this compare... (4, Insightful)

DrEmilioLazardo (517119) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884155)

...with the lawsuit(s) that the states are still pursuing against Microsoft? I thought that part of the reason for the states v. MS was these type of problems (MS trying to squeeze out Netscape). And even though AOL has already had their input on the matter, I guess they still have the right to sue. Seems odd that they'd just now jump on the bandwagon, and that they could have been on it all along...

Re:how does this compare... (2, Interesting)

PierceLabs (549351) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884233)

You have to remember that at one point they used to have an agreement with respect to AOL in the OS. Now that the deal is gone, I don't think we'll be seeing AOL holding back against Microsoft much at all.

Darn it (4, Funny)

NiftyNews (537829) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884156)

Man, this is a perfect time to buy stock in that Lawyers Mutual Fund.

If such a fund did exist, it would be skyrocketing every day of the week. Hey Vanguard, you listening?

ha! ha! Now this is a hoot! (0, Troll)

eaddict (148006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884157)

AOL saying MS is a monopoly! Gee, anyone read anything about cable system acces? What about media access (ie fair info from CNN only or can I use another source?). Oh, and don't get me started on IM!

Re:ha! ha! Now this is a hoot! (1)

ChaseTec (447725) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884212)

Actually I'll be suprised if AOL doesn't file a suite about the IM market also. Under XP you get MSN messenger installed automatically (with the option to remove it hidden). Even launching Outlook causes(by default) MSN messenger to launch.

Re:ha! ha! Now this is a hoot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884225)

yes, and in other news, the pot filed suit against the kettle claiming that the kettle had a monopoly on the color black...

Re:ha! ha! Now this is a hoot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884239)

Apparantly Time/Warner bought the rights to sue Microsoft over the old Netscape infringement?

If you have enough $ I guess you can get away with anything.

Re:ha! ha! Now this is a hoot! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884261)

You can say that again! AOLTW is a little hypocritical. Who really believes that AOL-TW merger should have been approved? People saying MS is attempting to take over the internet have should go after the bigger giant - AOLTW. Microsoft's internet division has been a dismal failure. Ballmer already stated that he had to do it again that they wouldn't have bothered, because it is one of their only divisions that loses money.

Whoa. Out come the big guns... (1)

caferace (442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884158)

As a former netscapee, I can't say but I'm delighted to see this happen.

As a realist, I also see this draining resources from both companies, and whatever the outcome probably being a drag on the stock market.

Still though, I can't wait. Are the documents online anywhere?

Dead horse.. (1)

antis0c (133550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884160)

Let 'em be man, he's dead.

I don't know the details but.... (2)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884163)

isn't it impossible to be triad (sp?) for the same crime twice? I thought Netscape already filed an anti-trust suit for the same reason years ago and lost.

--
Garett

Re:I don't know the details but.... (3, Informative)

Brian Knotts (855) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884181)

You are confusing criminal and civil law.

All of these cases are civil cases.

Re:I don't know the details but.... (5, Interesting)

ajakk (29927) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884217)

Actually, you can't be tried on the same case twice in civil law
either. However, the difference between civil law and criminal law
is that in civil law, the plaintiff can be anyone, while in criminal law,
only the government can bring the case.

Who is bringing the suit does matter.

Re:I don't know the details but.... (1)

caferace (442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884183)

That would be a "no, on both assumptions.

Re:I don't know the details but.... (1)

-=Izzy=- (80039) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884205)

True ... you cant be tried for the same crime twice .. but IIRC, this isnt a trial .. its a lawsuit.

Re:I don't know the details but.... (1)

Brian Kendig (1959) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884214)

Nope. Netscape (and AOL) carefully kept out of the fray. Microsoft's abuse of its monopoly to grab more monopolies was a crime against capitalism, and it was necessary to prove that first; now that the findings of fact are in the books, the piranha are coming in to clean up.

Re:I don't know the details but.... (2)

iabervon (1971) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884254)

You can be tried for a crime which you have been accused of committing against after you were last tried for it. If you've been found innocent of beating someone up, you can't then go beat the person up, and escape trial because of having been tried for it before. It's a different crime if there are new events involved, and MicroSoft has done things in the past few years.

This is funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884166)

AOL is angry because IT wants to be the only 800 pound gorilla on the block.

Now we have a problem. (2, Redundant)

Mike the Mac Geek (182790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884168)

The corporate wars have begun. AOL just fired the first shot across the bow.

No good will come of this.

Re:Now we have a problem. (2)

ChazeFroy (51595) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884228)

Actually, MS fired the first shot by forcing IE upon Windows users.

Re:Now we have a problem. (4, Interesting)

ajs (35943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884271)

First shot?! You must be joking. The Corporate wars have been raging since the early 1900s. Cars were probably the largest example pre-1960s, but we've seen this in agricultural products, chain stores, computer manufacturers (DEC vs IBM comes to mind), movie studios (the wars between which have become movies themselves), etc, etc.

This is the most recent volly in the long-standing AOL/MS fight which has affected the Windows desktop, AOL's bundling, MSN's partnerships, Netscape's buy-out and many other skirmishes.

Press Release (5, Redundant)

alacqua (535697) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884169)

Damn, you submitted faster than I did. Anyway, here's the press release. [reuters.com] I like the part about treble damages.

Re:Press Release (1)

dcgaber (473400) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884215)

treble damages is legalese for triple damages. Not a tyupo (and not a plug for .ogg)

Quandry! (5, Funny)

KFury (19522) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884170)

Can't.. decide! ... Who's more... evil!

Can we axe them both, and start over with Yahoo!?

The first shot fired... (2)

The Great Wakka (319389) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884171)

...and not the last. As far as I know, this is the first direct confrontation in which the two media giants are not merely competeing with each other, but actually battling with each other. I imagine that these kind of battles will become more and more frequent, MS and AOLTW constantly suing each other.

I am in favor of this suit. (1, Insightful)

generic-man (33649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884174)

Personally, I feel that Microsoft has done a great injustice to the world of computing and to the world at large by its flagrant anti-competitive behavior. I would like to say that I am boycotting the Microsoft Corporation, as they say, because they are not supportive of fundamental rights to compete in an economy. Microsoft has a monopoly due to its predatory business practices, and will continue to do so until we, Americans, fight for what is right in the world of business.

After all, if it weren't for Microsoft, we'd still be using computers with at most 640 KB [thocp.net] of memory. Remember when Bill Gates said "640K ought to be enough for anybody" in 1981? Well, Bill, it isn't. One of my license-free Ogg Vorbis audio files alone takes more than that much space. Thanks to my boycott of Microsoft, I would like to proudly note that I will Ogg and not WMA.

Re:I am in favor of this suit. (2, Funny)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884229)

In 1981, 640K was enough for everyone. I think you need to go back to high school and learn the concept of verb tenses, specifically the difference between the present tense and the future tense.

Pot calls kettle black... (2, Funny)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884175)

...film at 11.

Personally, AOL-TW scares me more than Microsoft; they've got that whole scary media empire thing going in addition to a large army of idiot users, whereas Microsoft only has a much smaller number of MCSEs (aka, professional dummies) to answer back with.

Re:Pot calls kettle black... (0)

NetMasta10bt (468001) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884272)

Dont forget about MSNBC. No good software/internet company would be complete without a large media company!

Barf me (0, Interesting)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884177)

OK, I can appreciate the fact that Microsoft has engaged is some questionable business practices (although, it's arguable whether they're actually illegal or not).

But the Netscape browser was bug-ridden piece of crap. That's why they died.

Put it this way: Microsoft also gives away an e-mail client. But other people [eudora.com] who make e-mail clients are whining -- they just make a better product.

Of course, it's always amusing watching free software advocates (who think software should be free/beer) whine about Microsoft giving away software for free.

Re:Barf me (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884220)

Put it this way: Microsoft also gives away an e-mail client. But other people [eudora.com] who make e-mail clients are whining -- they just make a better product.

RealNetworks complained about MediaPlayer

Netscape complains about IE

Symanted threw a fit about Defrag/Scandisk

Re:Barf me (1)

issachar (170323) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884240)

Perhaps I'm missing the point...

RealNetworks seems to be an even better example of a company that makes a piece of junk and then whines about Microsloth's behaviour.

.

Re:Barf me (2)

ajakk (29927) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884257)

Your spelling mistake actually is much closer to the truth than what you really intended. Other people are whining, not winning. I hate to tell you, but I don't know anyone who uses eudora anymore. Pretty much everyone uses some flavor of Outlook (or possibly Netscape Messenger).

Corporations use either Outlook, Lotus Notes, or Groupwise(bleh). Most companies are moving
away from the latter and moving towards the former.

Re:Barf me (1)

stereo_Barryo (530287) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884259)

Since EVERYTHING he said, above, is wrong or highly questionable ( including that pacifism causes war: "You are going to kill me because I DIDN'T try to kill you????" ) can we assume that it was written by a linux guru setting up strawmen to knock down? No real human would say those things.

Re:Barf me (1)

Brian Kendig (1959) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884283)

But the Netscape browser was bug-ridden piece of crap. That's why they died.

If I hold your head under water long enough, you'll die. My holding your head wasn't what killed you, though; you died because your lungs weren't advanced enough to be able to extract oxygen from water.

Maybe if you'd learned to breathe water while I cut you off from the air, you would have survived.

Maybe if Netscape had put more time and money into developing a better browser while Microsoft was copying every idea Netscape had and giving it away for free, Netscape would have survived.

This may be a dumb comment but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884180)

what took them so long?

I'll Second That, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884246)

to avoid making a redundant dumb comment.

then i change my mind (1)

r00tarted (552491) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884184)

its ok for them to buy Red Hat now

Hurray! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884186)

\\'()()T!

Big mistake (2, Interesting)

aridhol (112307) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884187)

Before they try to have Microsoft remove IE from the default install, AOL will have to improve Netscape. Otherwise, people will just re-install IE separately, and show that they think IE is better on its own merits, not just because Microsoft is pushing it.

Re:Big mistake (2, Insightful)

xZAQx (472674) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884282)

By "better" you mean of course "used to it" right?
IE is not better than Mozilla/Netscape. Ok, actually it's better than netscape 'cuz Netscape sucks.
But Mozilla trashes IE (mouse gestures, tabbed browsing...etc).

How come netscape 6 is so far from the beaten path of the Dragon [mozilla.org] ?

Windows w/o IE? (0, Offtopic)

FatAlb3rt (533682) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884189)

One proposal is "to sell a stripped-down version of its Windows operating system so computer manufacturers could choose which Internet browser to offer."

How many average Joe's can/will download a browser, let alone know where to find one? How about email clients?

poll idea! (2, Funny)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884190)

The articles I've seen on this state that Netscape is seeking unspecified damages from MS. Idea for a /. poll:

How much should Microsoft pay Netscape in damages?
- $0-$99,999
- $100,000-$999,999
- $1,000,000-$9,999,999
- Bill Gates's Estate
- CowboyNeal's Life Savings

Re:poll idea! (1)

cecil36 (104730) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884269)

Here's a clue

CowboyNeal's life savings = 0 (or close to it).

How do you suppose he buys all of his computer hardware and other geek toys?

Hmmm... (-1, Troll)

gayrod (545101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884194)

Usually these lawsuits are a David vs Goliath type of situation... but this one is more Goliath vs Goliath.

Come on, +5 Funny me!

- Dave B.

Thank God Mozilla is Open Source. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884195)

The future of our browser is not subject
to the outcome of this trial. Mozilla will
march on as the best browser whether or not
it can displace Microosoft as the default
on your aunt's computer. Thank god for open source!

Re:Thank God Mozilla is Open Source. (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884285)

Meh. As soon as mozilla gets a killfile for usenet I will make the move from MS IE.

Tom

Goliath vs. Goliath (4, Insightful)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884198)

This is like watching your two least favorite football teams play in the Superbowl. You know a lot is at stake, but you can't bring yourself to care.

I liked this quote: AOL executive John Buckley noted the court ruling and said, "This action is an attempt to get justice in this matter."

And by "justice", he means "money".

-B

And then... (1)

ewise (216213) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884199)

Ooh, and with the money they win (IF they win), they can go and buy Red Hat Linux!

Netscrape (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884200)

Gee which evil empire do I root for?
I guess Microsoft, since Netscape has the shittiest browser known to man.

AOL/RHAT explained? (3, Interesting)

ajs (35943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884201)

So, this would explain talks between AOL and RHAT. AOL would be very interested in RHAT's PoV on this, since MS has a track record for trotting out Linux as an example of their competition (which, on the desktop, Linux simply is not... yet).

interesting but a little late... (4, Insightful)

issachar (170323) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884203)

The last paragraph is the most interesting...

"You can't literally put the market back in the competitive position it was in, so you'd have to think of a forward-looking remedy to help restore competition in the market as best as possible,"

Exactly what would this "forward looking remedy" be? I seriously doubt a stripped down version of Windows would fly. Customers just wouldn't buy it. Not without a serious price cut, in the >30% range, and can we seriously make the claim that 30% of the value of Windows is in IE?

I think this may be a case of too little, too late.

I agree (2)

Uttles (324447) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884270)

Hopefully much smarter people than me are out there working on a remedy, but I just don't see how they could help anything without a severely drastic course of action. By severely drastic I mean something like forcing all OEM's to sell dual boot machines with an OpenSource solution installed as the alternative.

Re:interesting but a little late... (2)

OWJones (11633) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884286)

Exactly what would this "forward looking remedy" be? I seriously doubt a stripped down version of Windows would fly. Customers just wouldn't buy it.

Sounds like a good remedy to me. I mean, isn't that what this is all about? Making MS compete on the same footing as everyone else and not undercutting competitors by including the software for free with their OS?

Not without a serious price cut, in the >30% range, and can we seriously make the claim that 30% of the value of Windows is in IE?

Well if IE is so tightly integrated into Windows, I'd have to go with 'yes'. Possibly more than 30% for the average user.

-jdm

restoring competition? (1)

Maditude (473526) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884204)

A judge would still have the challenge of choosing a remedy that would restore competition to the Internet browser market. Netscape has only a sliver of the Internet browser market, compared to its dominance several years ago.
Sounds like at least one legal expert thinks AOLTW has a decent chance. I don't see how any judge can restore competition, without having the power to force MS to open up all it's API's...

WTF, Where is the Anti-Anti-Trust Suit? (2)

LWolenczak (10527) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884206)

So when are we going to be hearing about microsoft filing an anti-anti-trust suit in response to the one file by AOL-Time-Warner???

This could be good. (0)

jaredmcook (552049) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884209)

This could be better than the DOJ case because people can't say the big bad government is out to punish MS because they are so successful. Here we have two giant successful corporations going head to head. Now MS can't hide behind pseudo grass roots campaigns. Jared

I wish Be would sue MS already (2, Interesting)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884210)

Be, Inc. has an open and shut antitrust suit with Microsoft. The only thing that kept BeOS from being pre-loaded onto dual-boot systems of mainstream OEMs was exclusivity contracts that MS had with those OEMs. In the context of a monopoly, such contracts are illegal because they only serve to kill off new competitors.

AOL SUX! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884213)

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You've got subpoena! (2)

Uttles (324447) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884230)

Or whatever the legal mumbo jumbo for notice that you're ass is getting sued!

(intended as humor)

AOL/Time Warner Press Release (1)

caferace (442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884231)

The AOL/Time Warner Press Realease gives a lot more details. My favorite bit: [aoltimewarner.com]

"There is no question that Microsoft's conduct violated the law and harmed competition and consumers. Netscape's lawsuit seeks not only an award of damages, but for the Court to provide injunctive relief that will help restore competition on the computer desktop. We support the efforts and goals of the non-settling state attorneys general who continue to seek appropriate remedies to end Microsoft's anticompetitive conduct and illegal activities. The aims of Netscape's lawsuit are entirely consistent with their efforts."

The Washington Post?? (4, Funny)

jonestor (443666) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884232)

The Washington Post?

Ah well, I knew it was too good to be true.

Big bullies (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884237)

One big bully pushes another big bully. Now everyone stand around and watch the fight.

AOLTW is just trying to divert attention from its loss of $155 Billion in market cap since the merger.

Anyway, the only hope I have is that maybe IE and Netscape will both get so much bad press that Opera will come out on top!

This is the silver lining (4, Insightful)

gwernol (167574) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884238)

(IANAL, of course). This is the silver lining to the disappointing outcome to the government's anti-trust case. While I would have preferred the anti-trust case to have resulted in a breakup of Microsoft or other strong measures against the company, it did at least hold that Microsoft was a monopoly.

This allows other companies large and small to launch their own suits against Microsoft and have a good shot at winning. This could end up costing Microsoft a huge amount of money and effectively curtailing their worst business practices.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

Is this really news? (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884241)

Nutscrape has sucked for years!!!

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evil vs evil (1)

ender-iii (161623) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884245)

can't say I care who wins.

Double Jeopardy? (1, Redundant)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884251)

Can Microsoft claim that they already settled this suit? I'm not sure how the specifics reflect this, does anyone know the details?

I'm confused... (3, Interesting)

markmoss (301064) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884255)

Normally, a company to company lawsuit over unfair competition will ask for damages due to lost sales. Just what are those damages when the price was $0.00?

Damages and Injuctive relief (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2884258)

The lawsuits keep piling on. At this rate M$ will have to change their license agreements to cover the exer expanding legal expenses and possible damage awards for their quarterly earnings ! I wonder if the injuctive relief and conduct remedies will fill in some of the holes of the Fed's settlement agreement.

Hello Pot? (1)

smcavoy (114157) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884264)

This is the kettle, your black.
This really a battle for a monopoly, not AOL/TW trying to be the good guys..
It is cool that another corporation is picking a fight with another....

All of Microsofts agreements (1)

jas79 (196511) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884267)

from the article:
All of Microsoft's agreements, including the non-exclusive ones, severely restricted Netscape's access," Jackson wrote

doesn't that include the agreement between AOL and mircosoft? the AOL-browser still uses Internet explorer.
I wonder how they are going to explain that to a judge.

Sounds good to me... (2, Insightful)

Arcturax (454188) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884276)

Let these two behemoths duke it out while open source initiatives quietly outflank them both. While both sides are tied up in endless legal battles and tit-for-tat lawsuits, the rest of the world will keep innovating and possibly develop technologies which will make whatever they are fighting over sadly obselete.

*gets some popcorn*

This should be at the least an amusing development.

I'm Massively Torn Here (2, Insightful)

Eric Dizkord (458194) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884277)

As far as my limited knowledge of the situation allows, I feel that this is just going to lead to chaos.

One one hand, everyone hates MS. They're big, ominous, and imposing. They are known, however, for making at least a few quality products.

On the other, we have AOL. Everyone also hates them. They're big, ominous, and imposing. They are known, also, for lack of quality in their products. Their demographic is much more focused and thus more easily reigned however, that being less than knowledgable net users (I use AOL by the way, so -don't- start flaming :P).

This reminds very much, in a scary way, of shadowrun. Only we don't have a corporate court to settle this.

Let's pray Gates and Case don't really have armies like we joke they do, or else I think a whole lotta /.ers are gonna have to turn street samurai...

Here's what's really going on (4, Interesting)

gorsh (75930) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884279)

AOL isn't in the best financial shape right now - the merger with Time Warner didn't work out as well as planned [fortune.com] , and they're going to have huge losses this year. I'm guessing the thinking here is that if they can reach a huge out-of-court settlement with MS, it'll help them get back in the black. After all, Netscape's not good for much else anymore...

the DoJ couldn't do it, now AOL is trying (1)

Mr. Punch (58068) | more than 12 years ago | (#2884287)

Personally, I think this is great. The Department of Justice, if you recall, had its hands tied by good ol' W, so they're not going for a breakup or any other serious solution. Sure, we may not love AOL any more than Microsoft, but now they're willing to put their dough on the line for this cause.

Yes, they stand to get a lot of money out of this. If someone does a good thing for a selfish reason, it's still a good thing.
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