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Gates: Say No to GPL, Yes to the Microsoft Ecosystem

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the sharecropping-for-fun-and-profit dept.

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Andy Tai writes "As part of Microsoft's campaign against the GPL, Bill Gates is personally coming to the front line to launch attacks. While speaking at the Government Leadership Conference, Gates argues against spending R&D dollars for GPLed software development. He suggests countries that look to adapt the GPL model are denying "the benefits of an eco-system that has worked extremely well in the United States" and they should copy the system in the US (where Microsoft has an monopoly). He further suggests that source code availability is not generally needed, and when it is needed, Microsoft provides it. Invoking words like "capitalism" and "innovation", Gates argues that free software can exist, but should be like a free unix called "VSB" (probably a transcription error for BSD), without the GPL around it. Gates continues: 'A government can fund research work on BFP, UNIX, and still have commercial companies in their country start off around that type of work. You know, technology policies like biotech -- you only -- if your universities are doing work that can be commercialized, you will have IT jobs in your country. And if they are not, then fine, just say that farming is your thing, or whatever it is. All the taxes will be paid by those guys or something -- I don't know. And the farmers will go home at night and work on the source code.' It is interesting to note that Microsoft is increasingly using the same "ecosystem" arguments for defending itself in the anti-trust trial and attacks on the GPL."

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Hi (-1, Offtopic)

j0nkatz (315168) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376772)

GPL is bad m'kay?
Just say no.

Exactly! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376819)

Not really bad, just not good enough to replace all other licenses. But drop the "m'kay", it is gay.

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376774)

FP

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376780)

nope

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376909)

ur flaw

Idea (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376775)

We need a microsoft defence word of the month club.

eat a cock for jesus (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376776)

you've got all weekend to find one

Ecosystem analogies: (5, Funny)

datastew (529152) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376781)

Give added emphasis to the word "Micro-serfs"

Re:Ecosystem analogies: (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376851)

"In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the liar sleeps tonight."

GPL? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376783)

Doesn't this violate the GPL?

FP also?!

1st p0stz0r (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376784)

PWN3D

Sounds good. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376785)

How arrogant of any of you dirty GNU hippies to question Bill Gates.

This man has been educated far more than you, has travelled the world far beyond your pathetic experiences (leaving your parents basement does NOT count), has acquired wealth beyond your means, and runs the most successful contuining business enterprise in the history of the world.

In short, he makes decisions every day that are more important than your life's work.

So F* OFF, you USELESS HIPPIES. GOODBYE!!!

Re:Sounds good. (1)

SlackUser (574764) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376828)

Yeah alot of hippies are into /., but how many of them support microsoft, you m$ tool?

Re:Sounds good. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376832)

He also takes a shower every day and gets a haircut once a month... another problem they haven't figured out how to solve...

Re:Sounds good. (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376853)

and gets a haircut once a month...

Only since he married.

Re:Sounds good. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376839)

This man has been educated far more than you, You mean Bill Gates, college dropout?

Re:Sounds good. (1)

SlackUser (574764) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376850)

Actually I'm still in college tool.

Re:Sounds good. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376917)

We couldn't have guessed.

blah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376787)

blah

Doe he understand what he's talking about? (0, Redundant)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376791)

If he's reading VSB instead of BSD and didn't catch it, don't you think maybe that he's talking out of his ass?

Mistakes like that are made my moron PHBs at board room meetings ("Tell us about this Lunix thing again?"), not by supposed "computer revolutionaries."

Yawn.

Not exactly (1)

Codex The Sloth (93427) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376847)

Uh, I think the transcription error occurred after Bill Gates saying it when the transcriber monkey typed it incorrectly. Since transcriber monkey probably only makes $10 per hour, he could care less if it's VSD, BSD or LSD. Or maybe they are using that crappy Microsoft Research speech recognizer...

Revolutionary? (4, Insightful)

ekrout (139379) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376870)

Mr. Gates is hardly a revolutionary.

A businessperson, yes. A good businessperson? Of course; he's evil enough and it's hard to argue that his company is not monetarily successful.

But calling Mr. Gates a computer revolutionary? Oh dear God no. The only significant contribution that he personally made was decades ago while working in his dorm room, and even then Paul Allen probably did most of the tech work (this is a fact, not an inciteful comment).

I'd also wager that the VSB error was one resulting from poor transcription of his speech rather than him being an uninformed idiot when it comes to open source and free software, althought I'd certainly get a kick out of him confusing Lunix and STD or something ;-)

- Eric
Founder, monolinux.com [monolinux.com]

Sorry, Genius. Gates knows BSD. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376918)

I hate to break it to you, but Gates knows BSD from VSB (and "BFP, UNIX" too). Some typist was tring to keep up with an interview and had no idea what BSD was (or just didn't figure it out to after having finished the sentence). You can tell from the "quote".

We say there should be an eco-system so something like VSB, which is a free form of UNIX, but it's not - -doesn't have this GPL with it, versus Linux which does -- there's a big contrast. A government can fund research work on BFP, UNIX, and still have commercial companies in their country start off around that type of work.

Sheesh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376793)

Windbag, you would have thought this was Jon Katz

Microsoft should either ignore or cooperate (0)

forkspoon (116573) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376795)

Microsoft gains nothing by attacking free software, they should either ignore it or somehow adopt it, for instance publishing a version of Office for FreeBSD or something where they wouldn't have to open the code like they do for Mac Office. By fighting it like this it only makes the programmer/engineer/IT community hate Microsoft more and want to adopt more free software solutions in the workplace.

Thanks,

Travis
forkspoon@hotmail.com

Re:Microsoft should either ignore or cooperate (0)

forkspoon (116573) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376861)

By "they wouldn't have to open the code like they do for Mac Office" I meant that the source for Mac Office isn't currently open.

Re:Microsoft should either ignore or cooperate (2, Interesting)

kiwipeso (467618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376915)

Actually he does have a good point, why should any poor programmer use the GPL if they can't make money from it?
I think he should just open microsoft up to BSD licenses in non-monopoly areas of MS code. I don't see any need for MS office when there are a few good office suites already on BSD & linux.

I'm a lot more of an opponent to microsoft than the typical linux zealot here, I'm actually making a new BSD with brand new things to make it simple to run.
First thing I'm doing is putting a MS office compatible group of apps in the GUI, this should make it worthwhile to switch because most people want to work with MS office files.

Sure, my software is free [as in choice], not free as in [I let you freeload off a poor kiwi]. The sooner you people stop insisting that programmers mustn't earn money for their work, the better.

I know I'm going to get modded down by some free as in beer geek, but I think it's only fair to be paid for work you do & anything else is freeloading.

They don't like it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376796)

Because they know GPL is the demise of them. Once we get an esay, open distro of an OS out there to the masses, they're finished. This is the preemptive strike, ya'll.

Re:They don't like it... (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376856)

does it hurt to be that fucking stupid?

the gpl is something for license geeks to get all wet over. that's it.

microsoft, on the other hand, has an actual business that makes actual money. it's called capitalism, and it's working for them.

ms wins, you lose.

Re:They don't like it... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376879)

No your the fucking idiot. When you relize the MS is fucking you in the ass you will agree with the original poster.

Ass

Re:They don't like it... (-1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376914)

that's you're the fucking idiot. Contraction of 'you are'. Are you new to english?

I don't like microsoft, but I hate you little license fags that get all riled up about the gpl.

tell your mom to stop calling me.

Go bill gates! (5, Funny)

7-Vodka (195504) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376798)

I'll go home and change all my stuff to VSB straight away. Christ was I deluded!
Thank God someone like him, with no alteriour motives and a heart of gold, is around to steer humanity back on track.

Re:Go bill gates! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376887)

Attention 7-Vodka:
It's 'ulterior', jackass. Even if you're a Brit.
HAND.

Re:Go bill gates! (1)

Eccles (932) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376941)

Thank God someone like him, with no alteriour motives and a heart of gold

Gold? Nothing near so cheap for him. Maybe of buckyballs or something...

Is it me... (3, Funny)

!ramirez (106823) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376799)

Is it me, or does Gates sound a little high in this interview? I mean, this guy, by all accounts, is pretty GD smart whether you want to admit it or not, and here he's giving answers like "All the taxes will be paid by those guys or something -- I don't know. And the farmers will go home at night and work on the source code."

Who the hell would want to go home from a day of backbusting labor and work on source code?

Re:Is it me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376865)

Amazing, I thought the same thing. Sounds like he is babbling. Probably just started his party life, er something or whatever...then the giant tree started swaying and I would have sworn,....um. Er, so buy MS ..yea.

Re:Is it me... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376927)

Could it be that the GPL has driven Bill Gates to insanity?

...this seems to happen to _anyone_ I talk to about the virtues of GPL. :-)

Open Sourcers, you're next! (4, Insightful)

mkcmkc (197982) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376800)

If you happen to think this is no big deal because you don't like the GPL anyway, I have news: Open Source is next. Let's stand together on this.

Mike

Re:Open Sourcers, you're next! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376910)

next what?

Gates hasn't heard of RedHat (4, Informative)

jdavidb (449077) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376802)

Last time I checked, it was possible for businesses to be built around copylefted software. I can think of several.

One might try to minimize my point by mentioning that RedHat and other Linux distribution companies are nothing in size compared to Microsoft. Exactly; that's the idea. :)

Re:Gates hasn't heard of RedHat (2, Interesting)

Walterk (124748) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376834)

Doesn't m$ own a right load of RH shares anyway?

Re:Gates hasn't heard of RedHat (1)

kz45 (175825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376876)

Last time I checked, it was possible for businesses to be built around copylefted software. I can think of several.

I haven't seen one.

All the linux distros don't really count, as they just pre-package other programmers' code.

If The company that made apache or Bind made a large profit, then that would be some substantial proof.

Re:Gates hasn't heard of RedHat (2, Interesting)

damiam (409504) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376938)

Apache was originally started as a joint project by several companies in need of a good web server. All of them were/are profitable, and they've made a load of money off apache, in the sense that now they don't have to pay for IIS or iPlanet.

I am intoxicated. (-1)

Patrick Bateman (175284) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376805)

That is all.

GPL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376806)

I have to agree on some points.

I think source code should be available but not under a GPL-like license. Commercial companies avoid the GPL like the plague for a reason.

I guess I fall into BSD camp... ohwell.

Hahhahahah (4, Funny)

SlackUser (574764) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376807)

Yeah right. Open source is bad, having a crushing monopoly is good? I think Gates just got +2 greed.

reminds me of ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376812)


Are there any Paraguayans here? No? Well, of course, their request for subsidies was not uh Paraguayan as it is, as it were, uh the United States government would never have if the President, our President had not and as far as I know that's the way it will always be. Is that clear?

-- Chevy Chase, Spies Like Us

A momument to greed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376815)

How much money do you need, Bill? Pull your head out of your ass.

nice flamebait story michael (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376820)

how many more MS vs. GPL stories do we need? This story is such obvious flamebait. does slashdot need the pageviews that bad?

To be ontopic: Bill Gates isn't really saying anything wrong here. Selling closed-source software has worked, for Microsoft as well as many other companies. Consumers have for the most part benefited, PCs are cheaper and better than they've ever been. Conversely, look at the business eco-system of GPL software. Very very bleak indeed. You can point at a big name like Red Hat, but commercial businesses that derive from GPL software just isn't as successful. Its true, it's true.

And comparing sharecropping to this is just absolutely asinine. Michael = trolling for slashdot.

Commercial support of GPL'd software. (2)

Moderation abuser (184013) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376874)

There are a lot of businesses and consultants making money selling and supporting GPL'd software.

You don't see massive software marketing organisations like Microsoft because the business model doesn't support that style of organisation.

Re:Commercial support of GPL'd software. (1)

kz45 (175825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376892)

Microsoft because the business model doesn't support that style of organisation.

such as making a profit?

tell me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376942)

There are a lot of businesses and consultants making money selling and supporting GPL'd software.

Which ones? I would love to know the numbers vs. closed commercial software. I suspect it would be like a gnat on an elephant's ass.

Re:nice flamebait story michael (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376916)

>To be ontopic: Bill Gates isn't really saying >anything wrong here. Selling closed-source

Unless you like the gpl.

>software has worked, for Microsoft as well as >many other companies. Consumers have for the most

How would paying a few extra bucks for less fuctionality help me?

>part benefited, PCs are cheaper and better than >they've ever been. Conversely, look at the

What monopolies have benefitted pcs? What stuff sold by monopolies is cheap about pc? HD. Cheap no monopoly. Mobo. Same. RAM. Same. OS. Expensive. Sold by monopoly. We just nuked some XP boxes to put linux on them. Why was XP there? Monopoly.

>business eco-system of GPL software. Very very >bleak indeed. You can point at a big name like

I make money maintaining linux boxes.

>Red Hat, but commercial businesses that derive >from GPL software just isn't as successful. Its >true, it's true.

But if rh could have locked in w/ an illegal monopoly early on, then locked in all vendors so that no matter what you do w/ pc, you must pay that company, you would get paid, then they'd be a lot richer. Or they could sell an OS, the commercial way and go out of business: commodore, atari.

Re:nice flamebait story michael (2)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376937)

You can point at a big name like Red Hat, but commercial businesses that derive from GPL software just isn't as successful.

So, you're implying that if two compainies provide a similar product, the one that milks more money out of its customers is better for everyone?

I would think that it would be better for Microsoft's customers to keep many the $Billions they've been spending on software, and save it for priorities more in line with their core businesses. It would be like a tax cut.

I am eagerly awaiting his comments as a witness (2)

crumbz (41803) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376821)

There should be some good quotes in the upcoming part of the trial. Hopefully, the prosecutors won't be too in awe of his wealth to avoid asking the hard questions. Providing source code? When? For windows? I hope that countries like India move to open source so they force Microsoft to compete where it counts. The open marketplace. Not the courtroom.

He'll be cool, calm, and collected (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376864)

Because his single biggest customer is the US and state gov'ts. He's got this one sewn up.

It was Janet Reno, upon her inauguration in 1993, that banned all non-MS software at the DOJ. Every lawyer used MS Word from that day forward, as did all the private lawyers that communicated with them.

I've always thought it strange for the DOJ to sue MS for abuse of monopoly, when the DOJ and other gov't agencies, by their purchasing patterns, enforce a defacto monopoly for MS.

Microsoft can only survive so long.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376823)

I've read all of Bill's books and he himself is the first to admit that every company sees its time. Someday, MS will bite the bullet, but they're not going to go without trying. We (PC users) owe M$ nothing, and they know that.

Bill Gates Is A Penis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376826)

Why does Bill Gates take Viagra? To make himself look taller!! What a gigantic dick.

Bill Gates is Not a Stupid Man (-1, Troll)

quakeaddict (94195) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376836)

I am the eternal /. antagonist.

I write MS code for a living, and while you guys slave away at free code I make a significant amount of money because people to PAY me to write mine.

So I hope all of you guys, who are likely smarter than me, continue to write free code for the betterment of society....or whatever...while the rest of us make money doing the exact same thing.

Re:Bill Gates is Not a Stupid Man (-1, Redundant)

Swix (456262) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376860)

Did you read the first post?

"Give added emphasis to the word "Micro-serfs""

Also too avoid being a troll, does mircosoft acutally try to make quality software, or do you guys have a HUGE marketting depparment?

Re:Bill Gates is Not a Stupid Man (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376868)

Here's a new footer for you:

"Look Out For The Troll..."

Re:Bill Gates is Not a Stupid Man (2)

gnovos (447128) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376875)

Hmmm, you get paid, yes, but your paycheck is only a tiny itty bitty speck of how much money the code you write makes. Unless you make $28,000,000 a year, you are being RIPPED OFF. Doing 99.9% of the work and getting paid 0.000001% of the profit doesn't sound like a good deal to me. In fact, giving your code away for free and getting a reputation for being an excellent coder with innovative ideas will pay off MUCH more in the long run.

Re:Bill Gates is Not a Stupid Man (1)

kz45 (175825) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376926)

Hmmm, you get paid, yes, but your paycheck is only a tiny itty bitty speck of how much money the code you write makes. Unless you make $28,000,000 a year, you are being RIPPED OFF. Doing 99.9% of the work and getting paid 0.000001% of the profit doesn't sound like a good deal to me. In fact, giving your code away for free and getting a reputation for being an excellent coder with innovative ideas will pay off MUCH more in the long run.

Do you realize how many programmers microsoft employees? Under your figures, there are only about 1000, when in reality, there are probably 10 or 20 times that much (not including support teams for all the products).

In fact, giving your code away for free and getting a reputation for being an excellent coder with innovative ideas will pay off MUCH more in the long run.

true, but I would rather have both.

Doing 99.9% of the work and getting paid 0.000001% of the profit doesn't sound like a good deal to me

I hardly think one programmer does that much work.

Bill Gates need to put down his crack pipe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376885)


If you read any surveys and studies recently, you'll know that most people who participate in the free software movement are veterans of the industry. In other words, they probably make just as much money, if not more, than you by writing software for a living.

Many of the free software contributors write free code on the side, either as a hobby or because they believe in the movement.

Besides, how many of us actually get to write the kinds of software that we want for work?! Money isn't everything, especially if it means selling my soul.

-B

Re:Bill Gates is Not a Stupid Man (1)

Phragmen-Lindelof (246056) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376899)

I hope you learn to write secure code. Almost all of our MS computers are turned off until our sys-admin can remove the latest virus (Klez) from them. Our Linux and (one) OS-2 computers and our (Linux) servers are fine.

Re:Bill Gates is Not a Stupid Man (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376933)

I hope you learn to write secure code. Almost all of our MS computers are turned off until our sys-admin can remove the latest virus (Klez) from them. Our Linux and (one) OS-2 computers and our (Linux) servers are fine.

Maybe you need less stupid computer users? I use windows and I've been sent the Worm.e/Klez virus like 1000 times already... Each time I get it I just delete it and move on.

Have yet to be infected...

Tom

Re:Bill Gates is Not a Stupid Man (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376925)

Nice attitude, asshole - "for the betterment of society... or whatever..."

As if "the betterment of society" is a goal you can legitimately dismiss with an oh-so-casual "whatever"!

Of *course* making money is more important than anything as stupid as "society". Thanks for pointing that out.

Have fun writing MS code for a living.

Quit trying to pollute our ecosystem (5, Insightful)

jdavidb (449077) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376838)

If you don't like copylefted software, you can always WRITE YOUR OWN CODE.

Yes, I know; many people have said this before me. And Gates' point is that governments shouldn't subsidize copylefted software, not that free software should be outlawed or anything like that.

While I'll be happy to see any source of money go to fund free software development, and I think that if the government does fund development it should fund only free software and preferably copylefted software, I personally don't feel the need to have the government subsidize it. The government subsidizes too many things already. I'll be happy for the government to not subsidize copylefted software, as long as it doesn't subsidize proprietary software, either.

Make better software... (2, Insightful)

Sibshops (304882) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376840)

Theoretically, microsoft doesn't have a problem in a "capitalist" economy. If they would just make better software (that doesn't crash) people would choose them. The only problem they may have is when they stop making better software. I am glad the GPL is keeping these guys on their toes.

Maybe he bought the US Government? (0, Redundant)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376841)

He's was just there to look around and check the place out?

I'll give gates one thing... (2, Insightful)

morgajel (568462) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376843)

he's either really smart, or really stupid.

perhaps it's just me, and I'm reading too much into it, but lately microsoft has been laying it on a little thick. Saying that GPL will damage the "ecosystem" almost implies that the current situation is natural and good. for some reason this offends me, but I don't know why. maybe I'm just bitter.

I do know one thing tho- if microsoft keeps throwing around "poor me" speeches, and the public's gonna grow really apathetic to their plight(moreso than they are already).

cry me a river bill, you've been found guilty in the court of law. Don't expect sympathy. It's not enough to offer your source to those who you deem need it- it shouldn't be a shell game.

I don't mean to be facetious, but... (4, Funny)

krmt (91422) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376845)

"I don't mean to be facetious, but capitalism is something that's hard for me to defend, because it seems to work."

I guess that's why he defends Windows so heavily.

Holy Shit! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376848)

They really ARE scared. There is no other way to explain it.

Another pearl of wisdow from our beloved Bill (4, Insightful)

felipeal (177452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376849)

He suggests countries that look to adapt the GPL model are denying "the benefits of an eco-system that has worked extremely well in the United States"

Even if that was true, he forgot a little detail: the other countries are not the US.

The other countries (mainly the so called 'third world') don't have tons of money to be wasted on software license [slashdot.org] (or at least they try not to) or the VC culture to afford un-profitable companies.

big balls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376852)

looks like gates is finally growing balls...
guess he got tired of peanuts

Farmers (5, Insightful)

Da Schmiz (300867) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376859)

And the farmers will go home at night and work on the source code.
And this is a bad thing because.... ?

I'm convinced that amateurs are usually better at most things than professionals, for the simple reason that they care more.

As an example: I write professionally. This is a Friday afternoon -- my productivity level is dropping toward zero. But I am taking the time to make (semi-)intelligent comments on slashdot. Why? Because at slashdot, I'm an amateur. I'm in this because I feel like it, not because I'm being paid to do it.

OT: perhaps that's why Taco et al are so unproductive at their jobs? Because it is just "a job" for them? Hmmm... interesting concept.

Re:Farmers (1)

Guitarzan (57028) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376905)

Um, mind explaining your sig? I'm confused.

PR for the ignorant (0)

Don'tBAWank! (235635) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376871)

...it's all PR meant mostly for people who know little or nothing about IT, but who can influence decisions. Sales pitch--nothing new under the sun.

The unedited version (5, Funny)

new death barbie (240326) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376873)

You know, technology policies like biotech -- you only -- if your universities are doing work that can be commercialized, you will have IT jobs in your country. And if they are not, then fine, just say that farming is your thing, or whatever it is. All the taxes will be paid by those guys or something -- I don't know. And the farmers will go home at night and work on the source code -- SNAKES! SNAKES! GET AWAY! STOP LOOKING AT ME! ALL OF YOU! STOP IT! STOP LOOKING!
[At this point, Mr. Gates was carried from the stage. He is resting comfortably at Betty Ford Clinic.]

right idea-- too closed minded. (2)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376890)

Hmm... Source accessibility is not needed. Ecosystem needs to be diverse.

These are good points, but they don't support Gates' position against the GPL. If diversity is important, than I am comfortable with proprietary licenses, BSD/MIT style liceses, GPL style licenses and the most restrictive of all, Alladin style licenses all being a part of the diverse ecosystem.

What Gates hates is that the GPL, like many components of our biological ecosystem has some defences against being eaten ;) Think poison arrow frogs.

Gates can't be blind (4, Insightful)

PhilJackson (540641) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376891)

I don't understand how the richest man in the world can remain so greedy. He must know in the back of his mind that "real" open source is a very good thing, it benefits so many people in different ways. I'm really fed up of reading every second day about M$ fucking another small(er) companys/ideas/plans etc... to uphold thier monopoly(s). Fuck M$ and fuck Gates.

Icon (1)

D.A. Zollinger (549301) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376894)

The icon was perfect for a speech talking about how closed source software is so much better than GPL software.

A trash can filled with unused lightbulbs.

Throw away all those ideas coming from those bright minds in college, because you can't innovate with the GPL!

*VSB is Dead... (1)

zentex (176409) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376895)

No, seriously :-)

I'm glad to see Uncle Bill pushing the "BSD". God knows he's made enuff money off using the code taken there from.

What is BFP? (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376896)

Ok I can get that VSD is BSD, but what the heck is BFP?

"All the taxes will be paid by those guys" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376898)

Microsoft doesn't pay any corporate income tax, remember?

(OK, technically they're still paying off their tax bills from 1999 and before, but for the last three years, the bottom line on Microsoft's 1040 form has said "Total Taxes Due: $0".) (And yes, I know that corporations don't really use the 1040 form.)

Re:"All the taxes will be paid by those guys" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376930)

You also have no fucking idea what you're talking about. The sales tax alone on all MS software sales could power the entire state of CA.

Gates: a clinical paranoid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376900)

Gates has alway been a weirdo.

Back in the days of CP/M he would go into tirades accusing all CP/M users of being pirates and
stealing his software. The man has been cross threaded for years. He really has a screw loose.

Obvious counterargument (5, Insightful)

Azog (20907) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376904)

Why should the government pay for research and development of software under a license that allows Microsoft to take it, modify it (perhaps trivially, perhaps integrate it into the OS) and then sell it back to the US government and citizens for $big profits?

If the government pays for research and development of GPL'ed software, they are ensuring that the government, US citizens, and US corporations will always be free to use the fruits of that work, even after it has been extended. That's how I would prefer my tax dollars to be spent, thanks.

And I don't want to hear any whining here about how no-one will bother extending or improving the software if they can't profit from it. The entire history of Linux and other GPL'ed software has proven that theory wrong...

What annoys Bill about the GPL... (4, Insightful)

Todd Knarr (15451) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376907)

...is that he can't take the code without honoring the owner's wishes as far as payment goes. With every other license he can find a way to get the code without having to shell out anything significant, but with the GPL he can't get out of paying back in the same coin he received: code.

Eco-whatever (3, Funny)

CaptainCarrot (84625) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376908)

I suppose you could describe a large predator messily devouring any and all smaller species that cross its path as an "ecosystem", but I think there are better ways to label it.

"Feeding frenzy".

"Killing fields".

"Abattoir".

How long before Hollings... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376911)

...introduces a bill which aims to ban the GPL? Oh that's right, he is the Disney Senator... Who's the Microsoft Senator?

Yellow Journalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376912)

I support Gates' position on this simply because I think material funded by the government should be free for all to benefit from, not just communities and not just corporations. Public domain is where it belongs.

Do you need to spend money on analysing src code? (1)

Geekonomical (461622) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376923)

Do you need the source code of an operating system as a user of that operating system? That is, should you be paying your people to study the intricacies of how the operating system is built and stuff like that? And the basic answer is no. Well, it is quite agreeable. But if support cost on MS Windows PCs are sky high (because they are a monopoly) then there may be nothing wrong in spending time recompiling kernels. But I wonder that will be the case though.

New english (5, Insightful)

ehiris (214677) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376924)

Microsoft sets new standard in MS English XP

"ecosystem - n : a system formed by the interaction of one organism with its physical environment"

Why all this shit about microsoft? (-1)

Voyager Sucks Ass (570844) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376929)

Why don't you fuckers ever address the real problem in this country: the fact that Star Trek Voyager is still on TV every fucking night at 10pm.

I could give a rat's ass who has a monopoly on what, or how much fucking money that fucker Bill Gates has, none of it changes the fact that every night at 10, I have to see that freakshow B'elanna Torres conduct her relationship with that faggot that flies the ship. I forget his fucking name, but watching those two make out is fucking disturbing.

This interspecies relationship crap is a crime against nature, and it's a crime against god. Why the fuck can't UPN put on some wholesome shit, like Japanese bukkake, or homemade snuff videos?

MS and the GPL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376931)

/. should run a poll to see how many ppl here actually write windows code for a living, and gpl code for fun. Luckily I work for a company that doesn't try to own all my intellectual property.

Like it or lump it windows programming is currently were most of the money is. I'd love to get a job writing GPL'd software for a living. If linux and open-source in general keep winning ground maybe writing GPL'd software will be where most of the money is.

Sure they give away source code... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3376932)

but ONLY to the customers that THEY deem worthy or large enough to "need it".

Microsoft: "We know what you need better than you do."

What happened to "the customer is always right"?

Bill Gates: Welfare Recipient (5, Interesting)

mikosullivan (320993) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376934)

Bill pulls out the usual anti-open-source red herrings in his speech. He's trying to get everybody to forget that open source is actually a capitalist, consumer-driven phenomenon. He tries to characterize OSS as charity. OSS is in fact the biggest consumer revolt of all time: it's consumers deciding that they want something better and going out and making it happen.

Weirdly enough, he then moves on the characterize the BSD license as somehow less charitable and more business-like. The BSD license is the total-give-away license: you get the code and you have no obligation to provide anything in return. GPL, however, is the value-added license: if you change the code and if you distribute it, then your derived work is still part of the original work. I know this will start a heated debate, but if my tax dollars are paying for something, I want it issused so that some value comes back, not just a welfare-like giveaway. It seems that Bill now wants to move on the being a welfare recipient. Weird.

Whaaaatt? (2)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376936)

Ok, Windows is a great ecosystem, GPL is a virus, open source eats your brain, and Barney shall now be your king and Lord?

I'm sorry, I read this, and I am really not sure what the purpose of this is. Feel free to call me stupid, but what the hell?

Really I tried to understand this, and I utterly failed. Either Gates is way more brilliant than I am, or I am way more stupid than a donkey.

(Ouch, I just did this: Gates>me>donkey. That leaves a lot of latitude!)

capitalism (1)

mkmiller (527985) | more than 12 years ago | (#3376940)

It ain't perfect, but its what we got!
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