XP Service Pack Does the Impossible 633
Peyna writes "This article over at C|net discusses the upcoming Microsoft Windows XP service pack, which will contain the normal bug fixes, but more importantly, will make XP more modular, allowing you to override their default products. I assume this means Internet Explorer and possibly some other apps as well."
Now there's a shock..... (Score:4, Funny)
The next thing Microsoft will tell me is that the sky is blue.
Re:Now there's a shock..... (Score:2)
Naaah.... that's just a reflection from you Windows Desktop background.
Makes it more modular? (Score:2, Interesting)
So, are the core IE executables/DLLs actually deleted from the disk? Or are the just disabled?
Less is more... (Score:2, Interesting)
This is a very enlightening article, I think:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25
I honestly wish I were clever enough to use their own tactics against them, but looking at how difficult the courts have made it, it seems impossible. How do we keep them from doing this to us over and over again?
Re:Less is more... (Score:2, Insightful)
Uhm... don't use their products?
Modular my *ss - Lets talk about Mira :-) (Score:5, Informative)
As for it making Windows more modular - thats a load of crap. I love how the editors and the submitters around here intentionally embelish just so they can get more pageviews and comments. Oh well I guess they suceeded today...
Whats really going to rock in SP1 for XP is the new Mira technology stuff. If you dont know what that is - I suggest you cruise on over to http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/mira_preview
J
Re:Modular my *ss - Lets talk about Mira :-) (Score:2)
OT, but here we go:
I frankly don't see the big deal about Mira's technology. It's really not much different from having a laptop with a 802.11 card in it; if you need to mirror your desktop's screen, open a VNC session, etc. A little lighter and fewer moving parts, but certainly not much cheaper; 15" Mira displays will be over $1000! Plus they are way too heavy to be user friendly right now.
It is certainly not technology I want either. I don't want to lug out a screen to show off pictures like a frame, which is how they envision these devices being used. And honestly, I'm tired of wireless devices; the more wireless devices you have, the harder it is to get away from them. How long before your office makes you carry a Mira screen with you at all times?? I don't want or need to answer emails in my kitchen, and I sure as hell don't want to bring Microsoft onto my computer, let alone into my living room.
Re:YOu are too shortsighted (Score:4, Interesting)
No they can't, because Mira only allows one user per machine at a time. Version 2, which will likely be released in 2004, will allow... 2 users! So no, it will be impossible to do what you discribe using Mira in the forseeable future.
I won't argue that Mira could be something cool, but it is hamstrung by Microsofts absurd user licensing policies. I expect that it will be possible to do what you describe once these devices are hacked to run Linux, but Microsoft has no plans to give you that functionality any time soon.
That said, though, it would be easy enough to create similar functionality using Linux with much cheaper hardware. Those web tablets have been mentioned, which seem to run about half the price of a Mira tablet, or a laptop would also work, and there are some laptops with touchscreens.
In short, there is nothing particularly cool or innovative about Mira. MS is taking something that's simple to do with *nix/X windows and hamstrung it to fit their licensing model.
Re:Modular my *ss - Lets talk about Mira :-) (Score:2)
Re:Modular my *ss - Lets talk about Mira :-) (Score:2)
Sorry, but I'm apparently not that smart. How is this ANY different from VNC or a remote X session? Actually is looks like it IS different. VNC and X allow multiple users, Mira allows -> 1?
"Cool sh*t"? I suppose some have a lower expectation of "cool sh*t" than others...
Re:Modular my *ss - Lets talk about Mira :-) (Score:3, Interesting)
What I'd like to see is some sort of open-source RDP server.
Re:Modular my *ss - Lets talk about Mira :-) (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:VNC has been doing this, and better (Score:4, Interesting)
And running X-ray diffractometers and SQUID magnetometers isn't exactly simple text-based stuff either (a proper unix program would be but you know what Windows programmers are like: let's make it all buttons and clicking contrary to the fact that most people just want a freaking cli interface that works and doesn't require you to pick out high resolution objects with the mouse instead of just typing in the exact angles for example).
Although we have PC-Anywhere on there as well (which may be better, I dunno) it means we can connect up to those machines from practically any type of modern platform, ie we don't have to piss about rebooting into Windows just to control a couple of windows on another box. Added to that the fact that you can sling VNC quite happily onto anything else for serving and you're set: the users don't have to learn anything new they still use the same old clients.
You can compare the bandwidth requirements and cpu requirements and blah blah blah but the fact that VNC is here, has been for years and works on any system we use (Unix, Windows, Macs, even RISC OS) makes it a sure fire winner.
Anyway, at least nobody here has been sucker enough to get XP in the first place which must be a goddamn record for this dept (I'm ignoring the pirating scum and the ripped-off copies they had within days, naturally).
Anything else is X, and I don't need to point out the sheer Joy of its network transparency now do I? (Seeing as I'm often doing graphical analysis/editing and sometimes using OpenOffice to look at people's PowerPoint presentations at home via our cable connection without using anything other than my default desktop).
Re:VNC has been doing this, and better (Score:3)
Windows uses the much smarter RDP protocol for thin-clients. RDP is hooked into the GDI at a low level, and transfers only the minimum information required to clients. Clients can cache images, and expose their local files and devices to the server. There are clients available for every platform [citrix.com] imaginable.
The new Mira technology is basically a dumbed-down version of the professional thin-client stuff for home users. Some friends already have similar networks running at home, and I've experimented too. It's amazing to access your full desktop from any computer, anywhere, anytime. Over ADSL it's fast enough to do most typical office tasks like reading email or writing documents.
The Windows XP "Remote Assistance" tool uses RDP, so it can give you an idea of what Mira will be like.
More info... (Score:2, Informative)
It mentions are which components are replaceable:
IE,
Outlook Express,
Messenger,
Windows Media Player
JVM.
There will be 4 configuration options: (from the article)"You can have the Microsoft option, the original machine configuration (i.e. what the OEM decided it would ship you, but this is going to be most obviously applicable to new machines shipped by OEMs post-SP1 release), a non-Microsoft option that allows you to substitute non-Microsoft middleware, and custom configuration."
Re:More info... (Score:2)
Re:More info... (Score:2)
First of all....that only lists three options...;), secondly, isn't the "non-microsoft option" the same as the "custom option" ??...therfore aren't there really only _TWO_ options? =)
Re:More info... (Score:2)
That said, I would love to replace IE with Mozilla 1.0 (not here yet), Outlook Express with Evolution(not possible), Messenger would be stricken from the hard disk and replaced with gAIM (not possible). Media Player would get swapped for Xine (not possible), and I would use Sun's JVM. Y'Know, I have all of these things on my Mandrake partition, and I love it! Why bother with windows?
It isn't anything you can't do now. (Score:5, Interesting)
You can't uninstall IE or its libraries - they still will load on startup. What you can do is associate URLs to Moz or whatever.
This can all be done now, just not very conveniently for the average user. All the SP adds is a Control Panel applet to facilitate the association changing.
Marc
Re:It isn't anything you can't do now. (Score:2, Interesting)
It's a very clever move by MS do release this SP as many people really will believe MS is moving in the right direction with this while they're in fact standing still.
I doubt we'll see any really modular Windows ever, and even if we do than surely not because of MS changing their mind but because they are forced by the DoJ... let's see how the trial turns out.
Re:It isn't anything you can't do now. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:It isn't anything you can't do now. (Score:2, Insightful)
Microsoft's Windows Media Player and IE can start quickly because parts of it has been built into the OS. Sure WMP and IE starts fast, but that's because the OS starts slower (whether or not you use WMP, IE or the other tools).
To get the Real Player to start as fast as Microsoft Windows Media Player when the users click a link, Real Networks had to resort to installing a "StartCenter" application. StartCenter is a process that is autostarted on boot up (slowing down boot up) and just waits around in case the Real Player is started. Now I can remove startcenter, but not the builtin WMP start up equivalent.
Re:It isn't anything you can't do now. (Score:3, Informative)
Hell, I've had x-setup in the control panel for years. Offers all the functionality I've ever needed. At it's most basic, it helps me avoid loading what I don't want loaded, and even better is when it helps me block MS from telling me what preferences are "mandatory". Even tells the average user when not to mess with a setting (unless you're a pro) A really good FREE app, made for the people, by the people.
http://www.xteq.com/products/xset/
-Yo Grark
Watzup with today's google doodle?
Re:It isn't anything you can't do now. (Score:3, Interesting)
Ya, I hate how I can't remove DLL's shared by hundreds of applications and Windows features...
It simply is a convenient interface to override default applications.
This is perfect. This promotes competition by allowing the common user to replace IE as their default browser or even an OEM (pending overthrowing MS's current draconian licensing) alowing a user to make the simple choice themselves.
Biting the hand that pirates it (Score:3, Redundant)
From the Cnet article [com.com]:
Another change seeks to curb about 90 percent of Windows XP piracy. Microsoft introduced Product Activation with the operating system, which uses a numeric key to lock the software to the hardware. But code stolen from a large Microsoft customer allowed rampant illegal Windows XP copying. People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site.
"Basically we're freezing their computer where it is," Cullinan said. "We're not preventing them from using it, but obviously one of the benefits of having a license is keeping your PC updated."
Not that any /.ers would use pirated software, but interesting nonetheless
Re:Biting the hand that pirates it (Score:5, Informative)
Quite useless really, there has been keygens on the net for quite some time now.
They are fighting a battle they cannot win, for each key they disable 10 more will pop up on the net.
(mod me down if you wish, this not intended as a troll/flamebait.)
Re:Biting the hand that pirates it (Score:5, Insightful)
Pirated? I dunno about that, I have a shared copy of WinXP Pro, probably with one of "those" keys. I'll pay for it when my refund arrives for the OEM copy of Win98SE that I was forced to pay for on my laptop (now running SuSE), i.e. the 2nd of Never.
If any Microserf are reading, the only reason that I still boot to Windows is to play games. Offer me a stripped down OS that presents an API subset limited to DirectX, OGL and enough of the WinAPI to let me install and start a game, at a reasonable price ($30) without any idiotic licensing or activation crap, and I'll buy it. Short of that, forget it. Every dumbed down "Telletubbies" new Windows version, every curate's egg upgrade, every bluster and threat and waved MicroFist just brings me closer to the point where I'll wipe the Windows partition and take my chance with WineX. When that happens, you lose any chance of getting any more money out of me, ever.
Re:Biting the hand that pirates it (Score:5, Funny)
You just described the XBox.
This has nothing to do about being modular (Score:2, Interesting)
Could this keep Mozilla OUT??? (Score:5, Interesting)
Closed-source solution (Score:3, Interesting)
If Microsoft tries to legally prevent open-source programs from using their helper-app registration APIs, then just write a closed-source proxy app that will register the open-source app as the helper. This is the reverse strategy that some companies try to use to create open-source proxies to dynamically load GPL libraries.
And if you're using a warez copy of Win XP (Score:2, Informative)
Wrong. (Score:2, Insightful)
You still be able to use your current pirated version just fine. The upgrade will not disable it from working. It's just that it won't let you upgrade.
Dont post FUD
Re:And if you're using a warez copy of Win XP (Score:3, Interesting)
forced sale remains in effect (Score:2, Insightful)
The fake settlement still permits Microsoft to force the sale of Microsoft branded products and in fact continue to force their use.
Read the part of the fake settlement where it talks about the OS being able to trigger Microsoft branded middlewear should special file formats or data not be supported by alternative products. And, who do you think provides that data?
Besides, with CNet new policy on censorship (also discussed on my web site), they are not to be trusted anyway.
what's the big deal? (Score:5, Informative)
I can already do that. Tweak UI does it. And as for file associations, who here thinks that if you accidentally start up windows media player even after this service pack, that it will still redo all your file associations without asking...
This is not a plea of guilt on Microsoft's part, hell this supports their case, they aren't removing anything, they are just hiding it (since of course, windows would stop functioning if you removed it)...
MS isn't really the problem.... (Score:2)
But it's annoying because YM uses IE as its HTML rendering engine. If I uninstalled IE completely, YM wouldn't work. HomeSite has (or at least, had) similar problems; it advertised "experimental" Gecko integration, but I never did get it to work. If I wanted to preview my pages without launching a browser, IE needs to be installed.
Other third-party apps do the same thing, because IE's engine is so easy for them to integrate. It's not my fault they rely entirely on MS's browser to make their application work, but there you are.
So we keep IE installed and just deal with the memory bloat. I don't use IE anymore except for browser testing, not since Mozilla became so friendly and I convinced Windows to make it the default browser for everything. (This took some time.) But it'd be nice if third-party apps didn't agree with MS that the browser is an "integrated" part of the OS.
Let's stop all the "now I can install XP" comments (Score:2, Informative)
"Another change seeks to curb about 90 percent of Windows XP piracy. Microsoft introduced Product Activation with the operating system, which uses a numeric key to lock the software to the hardware. But code stolen from a large Microsoft customer allowed rampant illegal Windows XP copying. People using Windows XP with the stolen key will not be able to apply the service pack or any future updates available from Microsoft's Web site."
This means that the CD you have in your cube with XP written on it with a Sharpie will not take the service pack.
Other than the security issues this service pack claims to rectify, seems like issues that the average slashdot reader can solve his/herself. I mean, do we really need help making Netscape the default rather than I.E.?
Re:Let's stop all the "now I can install XP" comme (Score:2, Flamebait)
Yes.
You see, you might think that setting Netscape to launch when you click on a hyperlink or double-click an HTML file means you've set the default. What I call setting the default is having the OS itself decide that when an app has programmatically requested an HTML-rendering component, it gets that component from Netscape and not from IE.
No user intervention can achieve that right now. Not even by a Slashdotter.
Cheers,
Ian
What about Windows 2000? (Score:2)
What about Windows 2000 Service Pack 3? Will it allow me to choose to uninstall the software that was mentioned?
If the answer is no, then why is it not possible?
Clearly it _CAN_ be done.
Just a ploy? (Score:2)
Other apps use IE within themselves using IE's API. Until there is a generalized API that will allow Netscape/Opera/etc. to work in the same places IE does now, such a feature is mostly useless.
I can imagine MS may want to shorten that statement down to "this feature is mostly useless".
Re: (Score:2)
Dang it........ (Score:2)
to bad for those that have it......
What about the EULA? (Score:5, Interesting)
Now that Pirates cant upgrade to SP2... (Score:2)
My guess: probably fewer than those who will switch to a free OS
The idea with those select versions of the OS is that no key should be required anywhere. Large organisations cannot call Microsoft every time the upgrade or reinstall a computer.
And for those who didnt read the article and runs a pirated version of XP: M$ says 90% of you wont be able to upgrade to SP1...
Define "pirated" (Score:2)
I'll bet lots of them are grey-area pirates -- people with Select agreements that have a copy that doesn't require online authorization and can be used on lots of computers. I'm sure there are other similar distributions that are in the wild that don't require this and won't get caught by XP SP1.
Unless (when?) Microsoft starts limiting how these versions can be used, there will still be large numbers of illicit copies of XP and other software on the market. I wouldn't be suprised to see a MS licensing service in
Re:Now that Pirates cant upgrade to SP2... (Score:2)
Good luck MS.
SD
Register Article is More Interesting (Score:5, Informative)
Don't know why
A tad worried (Score:4, Insightful)
When I change my setting to Non-Microsoft, will microsoft know? If so, will I not get updates for certain things because I am "Non-Microsoft"? Why does the system need to know that the program is "Non-Microsoft"
(I am not trying to flamebait or troll, just stating my worries considering previous Microsoft practices.)
Uhhh... (Score:2, Insightful)
Any bets on how long it takes for a crack to appear for the Service Pack? Or new ISO's of Windows XP with the Service Pack already applied?
I can see it now.. (Score:5, Funny)
Please press OK to continue.
This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. No changes will be saved.
Re:I can see it now.. (Score:2)
Re:I can see it now.. (Score:4, Funny)
No, it'll go:
Please select the default browser you would like to use:
Netscape
Are you sure?
Yes
Are you really sure?
Yes
Microsoft products offer advanced features such as integration into the system. Wouldn't you rather use Internet Explorer instead of Netscape?
Yes
WARNING: Use of non-Microsoft products may lead to instability in your system. Are you sure?
Yes
Setting preferences.
This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. No changes will be saved.
Actually this may apply to Win2K SP3 too... (Score:4, Interesting)
So, Who Leaked Their Activation Key? (Score:4, Funny)
So, who was that?
Dell?
Re:So, Who Leaked Their Activation Key? (Score:3, Funny)
Fool! Large friend of Microsoft? It's the Devil. THE DEVIL!
Anti-Anti-trust (Score:2)
Doubt it.
Middleware apps are only Hidden: (Score:2, Informative)
You can still run IE - the executibles and dll's are all there. That is why the rest of the 9 states didn't jump for joy and say 'good microsoft... now play dead!'
This is stupid (Score:2)
meh... (Score:2)
In a nutshell, this is quite easy to do. You extract the contents of the service pack to a directory, copy the contents of the Windows CD to some random folder, place the updated files in the appopriate places, burn a CD with the updated contents and make it bootable, and voila! You have an updated Windows CD.
On pirating (Score:2)
Come on, how much ingenuity will it take for someone to make a copy of another XP Corporate disk and/or key (I'm not sure if the disks are somehow tagged, but the keys certainly are) and put it up on an FTP server somewhere?
It doesn't even need to be an IT guy that does it, though it will probably be an IT guy's head that rolls when MS figures out which company had it.
I can see it now.. Bill the Janitor is declared Hero of the Warez Realms by Sir Hax0r for courage and valor above and beyond that of all janitors, for swiping an XP Corporate CD and key for a night.
curious (Score:2, Funny)
i'm wondering how this affects the different flavors of XP?
as everyone knows that Professional is not supposed to be subject to the key bullshit whereas the home version is
personally i'm using a pirated copy of XP pro and while it would be trivial for me to get a legal copy for $5 thanks to a collegiate cocksucking arrangement with M$ that one of my ex-colleges had, i'd rather not since that would mean re-installing and the fact that M$ might see a penny of my money (which is unacceptable)
in fact the last legal copy of windows i think i purchased was of '98, and that wasn't by choice
fuck M$, if they cripple my desk i'll just have another *nix desktop with a 98 SE partition for gaming, maybe eventually they will learn to stop treating their customers like criminals (although they seem to have taken a lesson from US law enforcement on that one, since you are presumed guilty until proven innocent in most cases these days)
hopefully the DoJ will give them a vasectomy and people won't have to worry about selling their souls to
New XP Activation Key! (Score:5, Funny)
How modular? (Score:4, Funny)
"Pinball.exe has been restored to maintain system stability"
Me: ehh.....
The Reg have a good take on this (Score:3, Funny)
You've always been able to do this (Score:3, Informative)
Basically the ones with two commas in a row are not hidden by default, but when you delete the word hide you have to also delete a comma, so there's only one comma. Don't ask me why this is what works.
Not suprisingly, for IE, it doesn't actually allow you to remove it, it says "remove access to internet explorer". If you open up the file tree browser thing, ("windows explorer") or just any file folder, and type in a URL in the address field, it just turns into IE.
Still bloated (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Still bloated (Score:2, Informative)
Another note, one will not be able to use a version of XP with a stolen key to get the update, and since I refuse to pay for XP, I wouldn't be able to upgrade, so it's a moot point anyway. (Not sure how they'd know ALL the stolen/hacked keys, but I'm guessing they know of a few of the larger warez releases.)
Re:Still bloated (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Still bloated (Score:3, Insightful)
Microsoft will probably learn from the large vendor experience, and likely in the next iteration of product activation, non-activation enabled copies will have a key that is keyed against a certain domain tree, allowing only computers under the domain *.ibm.com for instance to install the enterprise copies with the IBM specific key, with reduced functionality until the computer joins the domain.
You don't pay for it, you don't use it (Score:4, Insightful)
since I refuse to pay for XP, I wouldn't be able to upgrade
If you didn't pay, you shouldn't have anything to upgrade in the first place. The fact that software should be free doesn't mean that we can refuse to pay companies who want us to. As silly as Microsoft sometimes are, I entirely approve the anti-piracy part of this.
Re:You don't pay for it, you don't use it (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree.
The simple fact is software, music, art, etc, can only be free if we live in one of two types of societies:
1. Communism/Socialism: If the government has the ability to support people who are furthering the minds of the people/state, then art, music, and software can be free to us, even if we are not free oursleves.
2. Social Democracy: This concept is much harder for Americans than others, as it is contrary to pure capitalism. We would have to support those who make a contribution to our state, but whose contribution should be free. In this model, the government funds artists, music costs are virtually non-existant (you would still have to pay "cost" for physical media, and a "artist tax") and we can get all the music and software for nothing.
The US is a social/capitalist democracy, and very often we are living in the No Man's Land between the two sides.
Sorry for the rant.--
Freedom of Information doesn't mean that information is free.
Re:You don't pay for it, you don't use it (Score:4, Insightful)
Free? Just where does the money to pay for this software come from? Trees? It may be free for certain individuals, but it sure ain't free to others.
In this model, the government funds artists, music costs are virtually non-existant (you would still have to pay "cost" for physical media, and a "artist tax") and we can get all the music and software for nothing.
Again, in "this model", *somebody* has to pay for all this. Shifting costs doesn't make anything free; all this means is some people can make other people pay for things.
Sort of like if I rob you so I can buy new clothing. From my point of view it's free, but you, of course, may think otherwise ....
Re:Still bloated (Score:2)
Re:Finally (Score:3, Funny)
On a serious note, I wonder why they did'nt do this a long time ago (read windows 95, or first anti-trust lawsuit) it seems that it would have saved them a great deal of headaches.
Finally...NOT (Score:2)
Re:do you want to pay for crap you do not want? (Score:2)
Re:Hey!!! (Score:3, Funny)
I'll bet they're holding lotteries in the Federal Pen right now to see who gets to be Bill Gate's boyfriend.
Kinda useful, then, the way he rocks back and forth.
Re:Please Can you Stop the Headline as Commentary? (Score:5, Informative)
But, as several commentators have already pointed out, this isn't really modularising Windows at all - MS have been using the word "hide", which strongly suggests that all their stuff will be installed, it just won't have icons (rather like NetMeeting in XP).
So far so redundant.
But I was interested in the bit at the end of the article where it mentions "freezing" copies that have been activated with a known pirate key. I thought most pirate copies of XP were the corporate edition, that doesn't need activating, and should therefore be indistinguishable from legit copies? Or do they really mean the Product Key, which you enter when you install Windows? In which case, what's to stop you simply changing it in the registry - or, very worst case, simply finding a working Product Key on the net and reinstalling? Still far far easier and cheaper than going out and buying XP.
Re:Please Can you Stop the Headline as Commentary? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Please Can you Stop the Headline as Commentary? (Score:3, Insightful)
The service pack doesn't make Windows modular, it just makes it look like Windows is modular. As many others have said, Microsoft is being pretty smart by making this move. They're trying to blow a hole in the case continued by the nine other states and DC.
Re:No more updates for pirates (Score:3, Insightful)
So, what, MS is morally obligated to give their software away for free to keep the Internet secure? Please. The problem with Code Red wasn't software pirates, it was (and is) ordinary users who either don't know enough to keep their bug patches up-to-date, or don't care. If pirates were the only reason viruses spread on the Internet, we wouldn't even have a problem.
Re:No more updates for pirates (Score:2)
So, what, MS is morally obligated to give their software away for free to keep the Internet secure? Please.
You don't have to pay for the service pack - it is an update to the existing software. The service pack on it's own is useless. Stopping people with unauthorised copies of Windows from installing it will not magically make them pay for the software they already have a copy of.
The problem with Code Red wasn't software pirates...
Correct.
it was (and is) ordinary users who either don't know enough to keep their bug patches up-to-date, or don't care.
Right. Now, what has changed here? A hell of a lot more people will simply not have the option of installing the updates.
So, before MS did this, the number of people using an unauthorised copy of Windows was u million. Afterwards, it's still u million. Before, the number of people with wide-open Windows was c (clueless) million + a (apathetic) million. Afterwards, it is now c million + a million + u million.
Now, where is the benefit to Microsoft? The vast majority of people who are affected by this will simply leave their software as it is, because every time a service pack comes out, they are going to look at the hundreds of pounds it costs to buy a legitimate copy, and measure the value against the updated features in the service pack, and not the features of the whole OS.
All this will do is vastly increase the effect of worms like Code Red. The only possible benefit I can see of this is that in the future, if Code Red 5 (or whatever) breaks out, Microsoft can blame pirates rather than admitting the average Windows server isn't maintained by somebody who isn't remotely qualified to do so.
Re:No more updates for pirates (Score:2)
If not, delete self.
If so, run payload, know that the computer will NEVER be secure, and keep the back door open for whatever the worm writer wants to do with it.
Ouch.
Re:No more updates for pirates (Score:4, Insightful)
So let me get this straight, not only should a company be OK with people using pirated copies of their software, they should also offer software updates to those people? Maybe 24-hour tech support too just in case?
I don't run XP and don't plan to. However, they are offering an update to their paying customers, I have NO clue why you think they should cater to people stealing their software too.
Mark
Re:No more updates for pirates (Score:3, Insightful)
This is similar giving fresh needles to drug users. It is not just to protect the users, but also those around them who would otherwise share dirty needles. Is it just helping the pirates (drug users)? No way! It's better for the your network (your adventureous son/daughter), too.
I understand that some people would prefer not to deal with these problems in this way and it's okay to disagree. I'm surprised to see my comment moderated as a troll. Everyone take off your blinders for a second and think a little about the problem.
Re:No more updates for pirates (Score:2)
Despite the "horribly irresponsible" comment which is a load of rubbish, this point is pretty important.
If people are running a pirated version of XP and install SP1 and are prevented from applying any fixes then the next time some virus starts crawling all over the web that requires a patch to be applied then they won't be able to apply it.
This means that the virus will stay rampant in the wild for longer because a large number of people won't patch it because they can't.
Having said that, getting SP1 to just prevent WinXP from running again causes just the same problems. People with cracked keys won't run the SP update - but at least they will be able to use the emergency patches MS often requires releasing.
Re:Now for office (Score:2)
Re:The 3rd parties are still screwed (Score:5, Insightful)
Well of course.
How else am I, as the operating system, supposed to know that this completely unknown executable you've just stuck on the drive handles foodlewidgets unless you tell me that it handles foodlewidgets?
No conspiracy here people. Move along now...
Cheers,
Ian
Re:The 3rd parties are still screwed (Score:2)
Despite Unix, there's more to life than files you know.
Modular means that I can programatically get a component that handles foodlewidgets. Not foodlewidget.fwdg documents, but the actual live thingies themselves.
Example: I need a component to play some streamed media. I go to the new registry, find out what the user has told me handles this kind of media, and I play it.
Not a million miles away from MIME types, is it? And the MIME system is good...
Cheers,
Ian
Re:AOL will jump on this...yay (Score:2)
I bet the software package sold with the PC can be as interesting as the hardware itself. This may give some real difference between Dell, Gateway, Hp ect.
Future statement" I bought a System X because it comes with Media Planet Version 5"
Get the drift that maybe this could create some new and alive software companies.
Re:AOL will jump on this...yay (Score:2)
Re:And all this time... (Score:3, Insightful)
Guilt? There is no guilt. In an attempt show good faith efforts being made, Microsoft will start modularizing their OS.
Soon, spurred by the concept of modularity, they will make the jump to encapsulation. Further moved by the benefits this produces, they will convert all Microsoft codebases to Visual C++.
After the massive outcry from all the people who really hate C++ because few things need the OOP that C++ gives you (and b/c Microsoft's default OS install will have bloated to 2GB) Microsoft will slowly convert everything over to C#, and the entire operating system will then be based on .Net.
Spurred on by this, Microsoft will then drop the current licensing scheme, and offer operating systems as .Net service only - .Net boot loaders will be free.
Soon, licensing will be directly attached to your .Net Passport, and corporate logins will be another service of Windows.Net. Companies will pay exorbitant fees to set up XP.Net Networks. No one will need Exchange anymore, as we will all have Hotmail.Net accounts, now a pay-per-message service. There will be surcharges for leaving a company, as your Identity.Net profile will have to be updated.
Microsoft will then make the push to DataCenter.Net - ending support for hard disks in client computers accidentally when a particularly malicious .Net virus they can't seem to kill prevents any fixed drives from functioning on computers with a video card. All companies will be required to license DataCenter.Net on a Hardware.Net compliant server to be able to store any files on fixed media, or they can purchase private space on Microsoft's CentralFile.Net.
The need for bandwidth will increase exponentially, as your will need to download an operating system everytime you log in. To improvie the bandwidth situation at your company, you will be able to license OSProxy.Net. To cope with the ever-increasing need for their own bandwidth, starting up a computer will become a "service" of Microsoft, as will OS updates, even minor builds. To prevent version conflicts, you will only be able to have the most recent version of Windows.Net. If an upgrade occurs and your computer is not capable of handling the new version (which you just paid for by attempting to download it), you will receive a message directing you to both local stores where you can purchase acceptable hardware and computer recycling centers.
Excited by the money Microsoft is making with this method, software vendors will flock to join the Software.Net program, allowing you to pay usage licensing instead of flat rates for almost any program or utility. Many gaming companies will stick with CDs, with increased development for Macintosh and Linux. Sadly, installing from a CD will require a small per-use fee for Add/Remove Programs.Net
On the upside, though. Windows.Net will be completely modular, ensuring that you can use any browser you wish to take the time of loading each time you start up.
Re:And all this time... (Score:3, Interesting)
They still swear they did nothing wrong and still continue to file motions to get the case dismissed summarily, but they're also obviously aware that the case is going not in their favor at the moment. Now I'm not saying the gov't lawyers have been angelic either, they've gotten caught with their share of knuckle slaps by the judge also. But from the perspective I see from the daily coverage, MS is keenly aware that they've been made fools of repeatedly and many of their key witnesses have been discredited. They probably view this as a way to try and stave off more penalties by appearing to have a change of heart (in the face of stiffer penalties, of course) just long enough to get the trial done with.
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Re:They can't do that (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Default Settings? (Score:2)
Re:Modular? (Score:2)
fdisk
Re:I don't think /.ers use XP (Score:3, Insightful)
Linux is the king of all servers
I use XP to browse the web, play games, do my accounting, word processing, coding, etc.
I use Linux as a web, email, ftp, mysql and ssh server.