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SCO Says IBM is Beating Up on Them

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the cry-me-a-river dept.

Caldera 1133

SCO's McBride claims that IBM is stage-managing all the attacks and bad press, which would probably explain why I cleared this article with IBM World Headquarters before running it (not!). The publisher of Linux Journal invites SCO to sue. One of SCO's lawyers has this barely coherent interview where he spouts legal rubbish for a gullible reporter. There's an interview in German (machine translation) with SCO's execs. And finally, SCO is still hoping for a settlement with IBM. Update: 08/22 18:26 GMT by M : ESR responds.

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Oh so frosty (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765268)

My pist, yeah baby!

I think i speak for all of us when I say (0, Funny)

cybercuzco (100904) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765270)

Boo fucking hoo.

Re:I think i speak for all of us when I say (4, Funny)

Wavicle (181176) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765359)

Shhh! You are breaking my concentration! I'm trying to shed a bitter tear for them.

Re:I think i speak for all of us when I say (5, Interesting)

u-235-sentinel (594077) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765411)

"However, SCO's public relations (PR) department has had a busy few months. McBride proudly dumped two phone-book-sized binders of press clippings on the stage during his SCO Forum keynote on Monday as proof that his company had become more relevant in the high technology industry. SCO has issued 46 press releases since filing suit against IBM on March 7. Last year it issued only 29 press releases between March and August."

More relevant in the high tech industry? Just by spouting trash all this time will make you more relevant? I guess writing good code and marketing it properly wasn't part of the business plan after all. Sad.

"McBride also pointed to the involvement in the dispute of the Free Software Foundation, whose legal counsel, Eben Moglen, has issued a position paper critical of SCO, and Linus Torvalds, who has been increasingly vocal in his criticism of the Unix company. "You've got all of these guys and it looks like the whole world is coming against SCO. It's really IBM that has wired in all of these relationships," he said. "That's why it looks like they're sitting back and not doing anything. It's us fighting a whole bunch of people that they put on the stage."

What's amusing here is that SCO doesn't realize that it really IS the whole community going after them and they REALLY HAVE pissed off everyone on the planet. WTF did they think would happen? We would simply bend over and pay up like good little lemmings?

Speaking of which... I still haven't received any payments from SCO for the use of my code in UnixWare. I'm pretty sure it's there. Honest ;-)

If you don't comply with Big Blue... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765273)

They'll beat you up and steal your $699 in lunch money.

Slashdot sucks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765276)

Really, it does.

The moderation system needs a complete reworking.

Fuck you.

Not quite as frosty (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765277)

This post is third. Maybe fourth.

Re:Not quite as frosty (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765302)

You didn't get third OR fourth.

You are teh sux0r

I regret to inform you... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765316)

...that YFI big time. Please deposit $699 and try again.

Ahem (0, Funny)

rylin (688457) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765282)

Hi, I've got a bridge for sale.
Call me,


Fuck them. (4, Insightful)

Unknown Poltroon (31628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765284)

Its like the class bully that suddenly goes crying to teacher when a kid from high school kicks them in the balls. You reap what you sow.

Re:Fuck them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765416)

a kid from high school kicks them in the balls.

What's that about? Did you know many high schoolers who would go about kicking kids in the balls?

SCO Says IBM is Beating Up on Them (1, Funny)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765440)

Score: 5, Redundant


Heh (0)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765287)

They haven't seen *anything* yet...


Yeah... (5, Funny)

ArmenTanzarian (210418) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765289)

did you guys get your checks from IBM today? My hourly on posting anti-SCO stuff has gone through the roof!

YASA (0, Insightful)

Gibble (514795) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765292)

Yet another sco article...

The SCO execs and shareholders must have been first in line on free labotomy day at Dr Nick Riviera's...

morons: deleting corepirate nazi execrable.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765294)

is not completely up to us. but it can/will be done.

that's right. all of the whoreabull payper liesense stock markup ?pr? ?firm? generated scriptdead bullshipping execrable will cease. that includes the terabytes of shilloneous stuff that doesn't matter at all, postdead buy va lairIE/robbIE et AL.

at least until the planet/population rescue program (formerly unknown as the oil for babies initiative) is lowered from crisis mode. pretending everything is duckey/a chance to peddle phonIE payper liesense garbage, doesn't help.

y'all can chortle/pretend more if you want to, but the dying/mutilated innocents aren't sharing your feigned ability to disregard unprecedented evile. any harm to the least of the innocents, is harm to all of you/us, & will require reparations by all of us.

that's right, after the walking dead finish exterminating themselves, & sadly enough, some of us, it won't take long to clean this cesspool of greed/fear execrable up.

the Godless wons are helping by continuing to show where their hearts lie.

fortunately, mr stallman et AL, etcetera, is now offering comparable/superior software, to the payper liesense spy/bug wear feechurned models, in almost every circumstance. there'll be few, if any more softwar billyonerrors, as if there's a need for even won. tell 'em robbIE. you are won of the last wons whois soul DOWt, right? .asp for va lairIE's whoreabull pateNTdead PostBlock(tm) devise?, used against the truth/to protect robbIE's payper liesense stock markup bosses/corepirate nazi 'sponsors'. yuk.

back on task.

what might happen to US if unprecedented evile/the felonious georgewellian southern baptist freemason fuddite rain of error, fails to be intervened on?

you already know that too. stop pretending. it doesn't help/makes things worse.

they could burn up the the main processor. that would be the rapidly heating planet/population, in case you're still pretending not to notice.

of course, having to badtoll va lairIE's whoreabully infactdead, pateNTdead PostBlock(tm) devise, robbIE's ego, the walking dead, etc..., doesn't slow us down a bit.

that's right. those foulcurrs best get ready to see the light. the WANing daze of the phonIE greed/fear/ego based, thieving/murdering payper liesense hostage taking stock markup FraUD georgewellian fuddite execrable are #ed. talk about a wormIE cesspool of deception? eradicating yOUR domestic corepirate nazi terrorist/gangsters will be the new national pastime.

communications will improve, using whatever power sources are available.

you gnu/software folks are to be commended. we'd be nearly doomed by now (instead, we're opening yet another isp service) without y'all. the check's in the mail again.

meanwhile... for those yet to see the light.

don't come crying to us when there's only won channel/os left.

nothing has changed since the last phonIE ?pr? ?firm? generated 'news' brIEf. lots of good folks/innocents are being killed/mutilated daily by the walking dead. if anything the situations are continuing to deteriorate. you already know that.

the posterboys for grand larcenIE/deception would include any & all of the walking dead who peddle phonIE stock markup payper to millions of hardworking conservative folks, & then, after stealing/spending/disappearing the real dough, pretend that nothing ever happened. sound familiar robbIE? these fauxking corepirate nazi larcens, want us to pretend along with them, whilst they continue to squander yOUR "investmeNTs", on their soul DOWt craving for excess/ego gratification. yuk

no matter their ceaseless efforts to block the truth from you, the tasks (planet/population rescue) will be completed.

the lights are coming up now.

you can pretend all you want. our advise is to be as far away from the walking dead contingent as possible, when the big flash occurs. you wouldn't want to get any of that evile on you.

as to the free unlimited energy plan, as the lights come up, more&more folks will stop being misled into sucking up more&more of the infant killing barrolls of crudeness, & learn that it's more than ok to use newclear power generated by natural (hydro, solar, etc...) methods. of course more information about not wasting anything/behaving less frivolously is bound to show up, here&there.

cyphering how many babies it costs for a barroll of crudeness, we've decided to cut back, a lot, on wasteful things like giving monIE to felons, to help them destroy the planet/population.

no matter. the #1 task is planet/population rescue. the lights are coming up. we're in crisis mode. you can help.

the unlimited power (such as has never been seen before) is freely available to all, with the possible exception of the aforementioned walking dead.

consult with/trust in yOUR creator. more breathing. vote with yOUR wallet. seek others of non-aggressive intentions/behaviours. that's the spirit, moving you.

pay no heed/monIE to the greed/fear based walking dead.

each harmed innocent carries with it a bad toll. it will be repaid by you/us. the Godless felons will not be available to make reparations.

pay attention. that's definitely affordable, plus, collectively, you might develop skills which could prevent you from being misled any further by phonIE ?pr? ?firm? generated misinformation.

good work so far. there's still much to be done. see you there. tell 'em robbIE.

as has been noted before, lookout bullow.

Okay I am ready... (-1)

baywulf (214371) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765295)

for the daily boiling of my blood.

Paranoia (5, Funny)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765297)

Remember, it's not paranoia if they really are all out to get them.

And we are.

Re:Paranoia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765465)

Very true. If Darhole thinks I need any encouragement from IBM to blast him, he is even more of idiot than I thought.

With apologies to Dave Sim (5, Funny)

Demona (7994) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765303)

"Dear Darl McBride colon Having determined for myself that you and your band of scofflaws are as dead meat festering in the sun of Lindon and that his holiness Pope Stallman the First will one day dance upon the graves of you and your half-baked western heresies comma in all good conscience comma i must respectfully inform you that i would rather eat a half hyphen pound of diced earthworms raw than ever again have to stand within ten feet of your lice hyphen ridden comma foul hyphen smelling person comma and that further comma it is my considered opinion that all of your female ancestors must have mated with decidedly inferior breeds of bulls to produce to genuinely worthless a specimen of humanity as yourself period In hopes that this finds you dying of some singularly loathesome and painful disease comma i remain comma very truly yours comma archbishop sontag of the *eastern church*"

"You don't have any...*objections* to signing that, do you...my son?"

Finally!!! (3, Funny)

El_Ge_Ex (218107) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765307)

Whoh! 24 hours without an SCO story!

I wasn't sure if I would make it!


I don't know about you (1)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765311)

but I haven't seen my check from IBM yet...

Re:I don't know about you (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765396)

Maybe we should sue IBM for not paying us...

This reminds me of that wimpy bully from school (-1, Redundant)

Liselle (684663) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765313)

He runs around grumping and growling, beating people up and taking their lunch money. Then someone stands up and pops him a good one in the face, and he starts crying and running to tattle-tale. What a wuss. All huff and no muscle.

Oh, I get it now (2, Interesting)

Gzip Christ (683175) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765315)

So this is why Darl claimed that the "silent majority" supports SCO - he mis-counted all the opposers as one voice since he thought it couldn't be anything other than IBM heading up a consiparcy. F.U.Darl.

Re:Oh, I get it now (2, Funny)

davmoo (63521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765444)

He calculated the number of supporters in the "silent majority" using the same new math he used to determine that there were over a million lines of copied code in the Linux kernel.

Darl must be losing it... (5, Funny)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765317)

I can't decide which is funnier - the point about IBM orchestrating all the outrage, or the point that SCO is somehow more "relevant" to the tech community because they've filed a bunch of press releases!

Thanks, Darl - it's good to kick off the weekend with a good laugh...

Unilever says it's not going to pay license fees (4, Informative)

DavidNWelton (142216) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765318)


"As far as I'm concerned it's an issue between SCO and IBM, and I expect that IBM's resources will win the day,"

Re:Unilever says it's not going to pay license fee (1)

BigFire (13822) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765425)

Oh, I like this line:

Davis noted that McBride had only mentioned about 100 lines of code being identical in Linux and Unix System V. And while other code may look similar, he said that there are "only so many ways of writing 2+2=4".

Well duh.. (1)

Yeah-or-something (680196) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765319)

Of course they want a settlement. Their case has NO merit. Here's to hoping IBM castrates these fools.

I admit it (5, Funny)

theolein (316044) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765322)

IBM paid me $699 to criticise SCO ;););)

First long, thoughful post. (2, Insightful)

Ayanami Rei (621112) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765325)

I'm going to get modded to hell and back with this.

That "barely coherent interview" [com.com] was anything but.
I'm tired of this hear-no-evil see-no-evil attitude, especially from the editors here.

For those of you who could care less about the article and want your daily SCO bashing, here's the thing:
It was a pretty good angle that the lawyer was making, and the interviewer was asking tough questions, the same ones
we all have. The main thrust is that he's betting on the fact that Copyright law trumps whatever provisions are in the
GPL, so IBM's GPL defense doesn't hold water; and also that just because Caldera released kernel source under that license does
not mean that the whole codebase (not just what was republished) should also be GPL'd.

These are important things to think about, and you have to worry about how they can muddle a jury, and whether IBM (Linux users)
have a clear defense against these new angles.

Of course, he hasn't addressed (and the interviewer didn't mention) that a lot of that code in question seems to derive from earlier
public domain sources.

He also tries to put some spin on the case later, but I think we all expected that, especially the parallels to Napster.
Whatever. The interviewer was still concerned about SCO's litigous stance, which is a good sign that McBride's "silent majority"
are just a figment of his imagination (otherwise the interviewer could have tried to address these thoughts for the readership).
The funny part is towards the end, the lawyer defends that by saying the RIAA is worse, and that maybe they need to change,
as he makes SCO out to be, like innovative.
(SCO doesn't want to sue you, they just want your money, like settling without serving you papers). ^_^

Please people, read the articles and THINK before you open your mouth. Things are not as rosy as they seem, and we should be prepared for a rough time,
which we can all laugh about later. Now is not the time to be smart-assed or smug, because we could eat our words if we are not careful.

Are you listening to me slashdot? Editors? Bruuuuce? Back me up here...

MOD THIS THE HELL UP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765389)

See subject line.

Re:First long, thoughful post. (1)

shelleymonster (606787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765390)

"SCO is not the one that put its copyrighted System 5 source code into the GPL."

no, it's not "barely coherent." but, it is full of lawyer double-speak where he takes paragraphs to state the same sentence 8 different ways. plus, there's the comment about copying code into the GPL. heheh.

Re:First long, thoughful post. (1, Interesting)

eln (21727) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765423)

And what makes you think what is said on Slashdot makes a rip of difference to the fight between IBM and SCO, or even between Linux distributions and SCO. I seriously doubt anyone at Slashdot, particularly not the readers, are in any way involved in these lawsuits except as interested outsiders.

It's silly to ask the vast readership of slashdot, and even the slashdot editors, to censor themselves when it's not going to make a damn bit of difference whether they do or not.

As for reading the article and thinking before posting, you're on the wrong website. Please, calm down.

Re:First long, thoughful post. (5, Insightful)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765460)

> The main thrust is that he's betting on the fact that Copyright law trumps whatever provisions are in the GPL, so IBM's GPL defense doesn't hold water;

Oh come on. This is their same claim that Federal Copyright only allows 1 copy for backup and the GPL allows multiple copies and is therefore invalid.

Somehow out of all this, they conclude that since Federal Copyright only allows 1 copy, the GPL is invalid and they are now free to make unlimited copies. After all, they are STILL distributing the kernel and, even if you can accept that 1 million lines belong to them, the rest DON'T. Under their own theory, SCO is guilty of vast copyright infringement.

And this, of course, completely ignores the fact that the Federal Copyright law still allows the OWNER of a copyright to authorize additional copies. Duh.

What public domain code? (1)

coyote-san (38515) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765470)

What code came from the public domain?

All of the code examples I've seen have come from BSD-licensed code. This code can be freely reused, but is no more in the public domain than is GPL code.

You've got to be kidding (4, Interesting)

putaro (235078) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765475)

That interview was full of softball questions. What are the questions I would ask?

The Open Source community has shown pretty definitively that the source code you displayed was not stolen. Was that your best shot and if not, show me your best shot now, not under NDA.

Your theory of a derivative work is really stretching. Would you please tell me why you think that JFS is a derivative work of Unix? Under a theory that makes JFS a derivative work, aren't you saying that all Unix device drivers are also derivative works? What are the limits to your theory of derivative works?

SCO insiders have been dumping a lot of stock lately. Why aren't your execs holding onto what should become a vastly more valuable commodity?

I'm sure others can add a bunch more hard hitting questions. The interview was a fluff piece at best.

Right. (0, Funny)

dash2 (155223) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765328)

SCO sucks donkey balls! This post sponsored by IBM.

that cnet interviewer... (5, Interesting)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765330)

... didnt ask any questions about the BSD involvement. almost like she didnt know about bruce peren's findings. yet, the day before (8/20) she published an article with peren's assertions. question becomes: when did this interview take place?

hmm very similar (2, Interesting)

bigmoosie (574165) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765333)

The RIAA is going after users for "illegal" music on their computers. SCO is trying to go after Linux users for illegal use of their code. I've heard quite a few people say that once IBM settles this thing ... if for some ungodly reason they should loose SCO cannot target Linux users because the damage has already been done. Can't this apply to the RIAA? They already shutdown Napster ... how can they still continue to claim damages after having been paid for them already? ~ryan just my .02 cents ... yes thats .02 cents ... its not worth much but its all I have

Re:hmm very similar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765413)

-1, clueless

Love this quote (3, Funny)

swilcox (171376) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765343)

SCO, technologically relevant?

McBride proudly dumped two phone-book-sized binders of press clippings on the stage during his SCO Forum keynote on Monday as proof that his company had become more relevant in the high technology industry. SCO has issued 46 press releases since filing suit against IBM on March 7. Last year it issued only 29 press releases between March and August.

What is the sound of one hand slapping? (4, Funny)

thomas.galvin (551471) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765353)

What is the sound of one hand slapping?

More precisely, what is the sound of an 800 lb. gorilla's one hand slapping?

Or, to be even more exact, what is the sound of an 800 lb. gorilla's one hand slapping an annoying monkey silly?

My friends, it is the sound of delicious justice.

And that other noise? That's the sound of a house of cards beginning to collapse.

Linux will collapse (1, Funny)

KamuZ (127113) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765354)

Check this [vnunet.com] Story, SCO claims it owns so many lines on Linux Kernel that if they are removed, it will COLLAPSE!!!

Interesting quote regarding Linus (4, Interesting)

afra242 (465406) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765357)

From the linked article, the interviewer asks McBride about his contact with Linus:

I've talked to him via e-mail. He's very pragmatic and tends to be a racehorse with blinders on. ... He doesn't want to know about IP or [commercial issues]. He readily admits that IBM has put a lot of code in Linux and says if you want to pursue it [legally], go ahead. But I said to him, 'I appreciate you didn't create the problem, but you have inherited it.' But he won't sign an NDA.

Just Wait.... (2, Interesting)

RedLeg (22564) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765358)

Just wait until someone files a CLASS ACTION suit on behalf of all of the Linux Users from whom SCO is attempting to extract license fees.

I personally feel a great deal of mental anguish, and the need to collect some compensation...

Now where's a rabid lawyer when you really need one?

Poor SCO... (0)

Warthog9 (100768) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765361)

SCO: You are infringing on our IP give us money NOW!!!
IBM: ::thwaks them upside the head:: No.
SCO: OWWW!!!! You hurt us! Can you buy us out now? ::tear at the corner of their eye::

Well duh... (1)

darkov (261309) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765363)

At some point SCO will understand the meaning of the term "community"...

(can't talk now, Alyssa Milano naked on TV)

Someone had to do it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765365)

And the silent majority have finally spoken:

http://welovethescoinformationminister.org/ [welovethes...nister.org]

Yes, the domain is active, but the web/email redirection might not be active for another day or two, so any fanmail/flames will go to nul until then, and you'll have to use the mirror at

http://www.anerispress.com/wltsim/ [anerispress.com] .

(More mirrors encouraged to offset the dread Slashdot Effect.)

Ah, my morning SCO fix (1)

Alan (347) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765367)

First thing I do in the morning is hit userfriendly, gpf-comics, dilbert, sluggy, pvponline, sinfest, reallifecomics, and then slashdot for my morning SCO fix. Personally I think that the SCO articles are really starting to establish themselves as fantasically funny, even amidst the other talented humourists I read every day.

Re:Ah, my morning SCO fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765447)

its the lunchtime sco fix here in nj mr 3-digit uid

Yup (5, Insightful)

kylus (149953) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765369)

"We have absolute direct knowledge of this..."

Yup, and all this proof is, of course, documented with the 'illegal' source code. To see it you'll need to sign an NDA. :)

Seriously, I don't think Linus' comment that "they are smoking crack" really covered it. McBride obviously seems to believe that the Open Source community isn't capable of refuting their bullshit without the backing of a large company.

Here's a newsflash for you, Darl: IBM doesn't -need- to coordinate an attack on SCO. The way I see it, an attack on one member of the Open Source community is an attack on all of us. And I know it's been said before, but why not: put up or shut up, SCO.

Obligatory comment (3, Funny)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765370)

I for one welcome SCO's new IBM overlords ... in fact, I like 'em so much I wish for a GRID of them!

Ready for a settlement? (2, Funny)

term8or (576787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765371)

And finally, SCO is still hoping for a settlement with IBM.

I bet they are;)

This clinches it ... (5, Insightful)

DrJimbo (594231) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765372)

Q. Why on earth would McSnide come up with the loony idea that a big corporation (IBM) is backing all his opponents?

A. Because all this SCO fud is being backed by a big corporation (M$).

A source of nutrients (5, Funny)

davmoo (63521) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765374)

I have started printing out SCOs press releases so I can save them and spread them on my garden for next year. Normally I would have to pay top dollar for bullshit that rich and strong.

I love you (0)

PrImED73 (695394) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765376)

Darl, we love you, i want to have your babies.

Awwww (1)

Goo.cc (687626) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765378)

This has to be one of the most badly handled situations in business history. SCO started this fire and they have only themselves to blame for the heat.

I always wondered where they went... (5, Funny)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765379)

You know, after the dot-com bust, I wondered where all those "visionaries" went. You know, the ones who could charm millions of American Dollars [typeonegative.net] from venture capitalists and day-trading shareholders with nothing more than a bottle of snake oil and a press release.

I guess I found them:

McBride proudly dumped two phone-book-sized binders of press clippings on the stage during his SCO Forum keynote on Monday as proof that his company had become more relevant in the high technology industry. SCO has issued 46 press releases since filing suit against IBM on March 7. Last year it issued only 29 press releases between March and August.

Here I was, worried about unemployment among the "visionary entrepreneur" community. They're working for SCO! And just look at those results -- they've had a 58% increase in press release generation in just one year! I'm so glad to see that they've landed on their feet.

Too bad the rug's about to get yanked out from under them again.

Way to Go michael! (2, Funny)

Farley Mullet (604326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765382)

Kickin' it old school, bringing not back. Party on dude!

Weekend (0)

tsa (15680) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765383)

Hmm, the SCO morning post came almost at dinner time today. Must be running towards the weekend...

Holy paraphrasing, Bat Man! (2, Funny)

hendridm (302246) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765388)

> IBM can put this on a slow track [with additional legal moves]. But IBM might be throwing hard balls to [get ready] for the soft pitch [to settle]... Every month we keep finding more and more [Linux code that violates our Unix System contract]. We'd want a settlement and royalty [on Linux] going forward.

"People who speak in metaphors can shampoo my crotch" --Jack Nicholson

Whole reminds me of the British empire (2, Funny)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765394)

Darl McBride: I claim all of Linux for SCO
Linux Programmers: Excuse me?
Darl McBride: For the glory of SCO . . .
Linux Programmers: You can't claim Linux. We wrote it.
Darl McBride: Do you have a copyright?
Linux Programmers: We don't need a copyright. We wrote it and we have the GPL.
Darl McBride: No copyright. No ownership. These are the rules that I just made up. And I'm backing it up with these lawsuits given to me by the law firm of Boies, etc.

+1 understatement (1)

dash2 (155223) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765395)

IBM spokeswoman Trink Guarino declined to comment on McBride's allegations other than to say, "the open community is completely capable of reacting on its own to SCO's allegations." ... taking down their servers, streams of contempt and vitriol on every message board known to man.... Yup.

I find myself... (2, Interesting)

fudgefactor7 (581449) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765397)

in the odd position of rooting for IBM. Never thought I'd be on Big Blue's side...in what strange times we live.

I'm sponsored by IBM (1)

jaywhy (567133) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765398)

Anyone else want to punch this Darl McBride guy right in the FACE?

fair and balanced (2, Insightful)

mcc (14761) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765399)

The obvious observation as to why this is the most fucking ironic thing ever is that, well, the negative press against SCO is coming from an absolutely huge variety of different sources, and being driven by every single person that SCO has attacked and every single person driven to moral outrage by witnessing SCO's attacked (the entire open source/UNIX community and roughly the entire "computer-saavy" community, respectively).

The positive press for SCO is coming from one cause and one cause only: namely, when news outlets report on press releases SCO puts out. It is being driven by SCO alone. The ONLY other impetus for a pro-SCO story that we've seen in eight months was that time that Microsoft put out a press release stating they'd bought a SCOsource license.

Are you all familiar with the psychological and propaganda phenomenon of "projection"?

Cue more... (1, Insightful)

sheriff_p (138609) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765403)

People who like to think they know what they're talking about saying how dumb the SCO executives are.

And utterly failing to realise that the SCO executives are rich. And will get much richer as a result of this, completely regardless of the outcome. And there you'll be at the end of this, crowing about how right you were, and how dumb they were, while they move into bigger mansions, or buy that third yacht. Hence why they're rich, and you're languishing as a second-rate programmer.

can you hear it? (1)

dfenstrate (202098) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765404)

It's the world's tiniest violin, playing a sad, sad funeral dirge for SCO.

One issue to raise (5, Insightful)

jared_hanson (514797) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765405)

If the Linux kernel is truly infringing on SCO's UNIX copyrights, why doesn't SCO ask a judge to issue an injunction against kernel.org/mirrors to stop them from distributing it.

If they did this, however, they would have to show a *minimal* amount of compelling evidence. Enough so that it is justified, but not necessarily the amount it would take to prove the case in a court trial.

My bet is they know they don't have this much evidence. They are simply trying to extort license money from gullible companies. If they saught an injunction, and were denied, all their posturing would immediately be disregarded.

Anyway, just something I was thinking about. Mabey they did seek one already. I admit I've become lazy in my SCO-story-reading duties.

Once Again, Misidentifies The Source (1)

EXTomar (78739) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765406)

People in Open Source/Free Software attack SCO because of their own beliefs in OS/FS. Not because IBM says too. There is no Star Chamber secret masonic gathering conspiring to put SCO down. Its people who code and contribute to OS/FS projects that are just plain mad they are accused of stealing.

So they can't figure out where the source code for their product or the ground swell annomosity is coming from. Better blame IBM and sue.

Now, say UNCLE! Say it! (2, Redundant)

a_timid_mouse (607237) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765407)

Looks like the bully is a little intimidated by the thought of ending up at the bottom of an outraged open-source dogpile. You reap what you SCO.

Thought I had seen it all! (1)

overbyj (696078) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765410)

Up is truly now down, black is white and cats and dogs will now be living together in harmony.

Hey Michael... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765417)

Wayne Campbell called and wants his lingo back.

And they expected Chocolates? (4, Insightful)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765419)

What, you didn't get a Valentine's card from IBM?


Frankly, I think they misdirrected their frustration - I think the OSS community has piled on worse than IBM at this point. Bruce Perins blew the crap out of their Vegas presentation. Linus says the "smoke crack". Grocklaw rips them a new one every day.

IBM is the storm cloud on the horrizon. SCO hasn't even begun to feel what they have in store.

SCO Group-End is near (1)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765426)

SCO Group's end is near..

Are we throwing a party?

I donate one keg :)

Misread headline as (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765427)

SCO Says IBM is Beating on Them

I can see Darl and Co feeling all smug and sassy about their doings, but expecting people to whack off thinking about them is asking for too much.

Bunch of selfsatisifed turdds..baah

In a related story..... (1, Funny)

CHatRPI (627527) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765428)

IBM spokeswoman Trink Guarino declined to comment on McBride's allegations other than to say, "the open community is completely capable of reacting on its own to SCO's allegations."
In a related story, Darl's vegetable garden was eaten. McBride suspects IBM rabbits were the culprit.

"pre-empted by copyright law" (5, Insightful)

cperciva (102828) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765432)

Ok, let's put down the flamethrowers for a moment, and try to understand what SCO's lawyers are saying.

When they say "the GPL is pre-empted by copyright law", they don't mean that the GPL is invalid. What they mean is this: You can't GPL something you don't own. In other words, the fact that the code in dispute was distribute "under the GPL license" is irrelevant -- the company which did that (IBM) didn't own the code, so the fact that they "licensed" the code under the GPL is irrelevant.

Voiceover (1)

theolein (316044) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765436)

Mark Heise: "Why show the code? Why show the contracts? Why show anything? Because SCO is committed to educating people about their rights to ownership"

Well, Mr. Heise, I am committed to educating you about your phenomenal lack of intelligence, morals and decency.

boo hoo hoo (1)

EddydaSquige (552178) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765439)

AWWWWW, wittle babys can't handle the big bwue:-(

The ONE Fortune 500 company to buy a license... (1)

A Commentor (459578) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765441)

Anyone want to bet that the ONE company that actually paid SCO for a Linux license is Microsoft????

Class Action Suit? (1)

oni (41625) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765442)

At what point can we sue SCO for damaging our livelihood by spewing FUD about Linux? It's hard enough to get a job without having to worry that some employer is going to think "whoa, I better not hire him, he might surreptitiously set up a Linux box somewhere and get us all sued."

And now that I think about it, why can't we sue the SCO executives personally - not just SCO itself. I know that being a corporation normally shields the execs from such lawsuits, but in this case it seems clear that the execs are driving the company into the ground for only one purpose, to enrich themselves. They are driving the company into the ground and they are dragging our reputation down with it. It a dump truck driver takes a shortcut through your yard, you can take the driver to court. Right? So, maybe the same logic would apply to SCO. The executives are driving the company and making reckless decisions with depraved indifference. I think they should be sued.

what does SCO do, apart from sue? (1)

dioscaido (541037) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765443)

as a company? Do they have any products?

Hey! No Fair! (1)

nanojath (265940) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765445)

Hey! No Fair! That Goliath is a freakin' GIANT!

That's why it's so important to make sure you've got GOD on your side before you start slingin' stones, dumbasses.

Gotta admit, tho, even I am getting sick of the constant SCO-a-thon on /.

congrats (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765446)

Congrats to Slashdot for not having any gay articles about things like Elfish fonts for at least two days in a row.

it's time to play a new game! (1)

borgdows (599861) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765451)

Who wants to be a Darl Mc Bride?

- Question 1 -

Your best friend kindly lent you his new Toyota, but you have literally destroyed it in a accident you were entirely responsible.
What do you do?

[ ] a) You apologize.
[ ] b) You buy him a new car.
[ ] c) You sue him.
[ ] d) You sue him AND General Motors.

Answer :
If you choose D, congratulations! You could be SCO's CEO!

Psychology, pathology, personal impressions (5, Interesting)

Badgerman (19207) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765452)

Regarding the interview with the lawyer, I got the impression he was largely spouting the party line for his client. It did feel rather incoherent and he honestly didn't seem to believe what he was saying.

Meanwhile back at SCO, apparently they're not buying crazy because they've got a stock of it. Claiming IBM is orchestrating some conspiracy to attack them is just another one of the bizarre psychological acrobatic displays we've seen from SCO, admittedly one of the more impressively stupid ones since this started.

Looking at the articles, I'm feeling SCO is stuck in a "ratchet it up until they give in" mentality, where they'll keep making attacks and outrageous claims until someone gives in and buys them or gives them lots of money. However, they have to count on people backing down - which isn't really happening. Since they have no other options, I think they're going to keep at it.

I actually do wonder just how in touch with reality some of the SCO execs are. Now that they've committed to a business path based on lawsuits and dubious legal claims, they can't really back out, so it seems they're becoming wrapped up in the worlds they created to justify their claims.

Expect it to get even more insane.

Get your popcorn out.

Must have Jolt soda, must have Jolt soda (1)

Dark Coder (66759) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765453)


This is a classical Darwinism trait. Survival of the fittess. And SCO Group, Inc. sure aren't looking very fit at the moment.

SCO needs to just roll over so I can cash in on my short orders at the NASDAQ [yahoo.com] .

$CO (1)

_Smacndeez_ (217293) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765455)

Does this remind anyone of the shite spat out by 'Baghdad Bob'? We have decimated the infidels! Those are not Iraqi soldiers running for freedom, they are merely actors in a Hollywood studio! The Americans are NOT here!!!

eh, just my thoughts...


Michael would like everyone to know that (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765457)

this story is really from the IBM-public-relations dept.

You know these editors... they're always screwing something up.

In other news... (1)

tarius8105 (683929) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765458)

Darl McBride accuses IBM of being aliens from another galaxy trying to take over the earth. More at 11.

Sontag to Linux: AYB... (1)

Chagatai (524580) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765459)

Sorry, but are the German Babelfish translations just getting funnier or what?

c't: In addition, her lawyer, David Boies, is no IP specialist.

Sontag: Is correct, but its special field is treaty right and that the crucial weapon will be.

c't: They did not select it really because of its public-effective role during the Microsoft process?

Sontag: We, the aspect say us at least will not harm.

So, Sontag and SCO have a "special field"? Is this because once upon a time they were "special kids"? This would answer much. But for some real fun with Babelfish, type in the American Pledge of Allegiance, translate it into Spanish and back, and then into Korean and back. You'll never look at the speed of light again quite the same.

Scox scam working flawlessly (1)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765461)

Say what you want about scox insiders being insane or stupid. Scox share price went up another 20% yesterday. This immediately after strongly negitive news about scox's "code showing."

US justice system asleep at the wheel. Canopy/scox insiders laughing all the way to the bank.

RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765462)

As this case is now just pure entertainment, I suggest SCO begin talking very seriously about their rights as performers and comedians.

The PRS (Performing rights society), MCPS (Mechanical Copyrights) handle this in the UK. They could be earning on their public appearances and any reproductions of their hilarious statements.

I know a good agent, and would be happy to get in contact.

Tech industry says... (2, Funny)

MongooseCN (139203) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765468)

SCO Says IBM is Beating Up on Them.

Tech industry says: GO IBM!

ESR on IBMs payroll? Right. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6765472)

Darl: "they (IBM) have Eric Raymond on their payroll.":

No, Eric is attacking SCO because he wants crush them. He wants to see them driven before him, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

Clueful Judge (5, Informative)

pjrc (134994) | more than 11 years ago | (#6765474)

On every SCO story, invariably someone posts a paranoid concern that perhaps a clueless judge will be assigned to the case, and rule in favor of SCO. These are often moderated to +5, which is quite silly since Judge Dale A. Kimball [utahbar.org] has already be assigned to the case, and we can see that he's got a reputation for being fair and capable of understanding cases involving technology.

Groklaw has very extensive research on Kimball's history [weblogs.com] , which is nicely summarized and easy to read. Every case has links to much more detail. The overall appearance is that Kimball will probably do the right thing.

Probably most important is the Jacobsen vs Hughes copyright case [deseretnews.com] . Apart from considering much of the material uncopyrightable historical facts, Judge Kimball was quite unimpressed by the plaintif's failure to act in a timely manner to mitigate damages. Quoting from that article:

"Had Jacobsen voiced his disapproval in 1996, Hughes would have had the opportunity to take the offending material out of the books," Kimball wrote. "For Jacobsen to wait until three volumes of the series had been published before voicing his disapproval, when it is clear he had ample opportunity to let Hughes know of his disapproval as early as 1996, results in extreme prejudice to Hughes."

Obviously this bodes quite well for IBM and all Linux users. SCO of course will claim they stopped distribution of linux, but this ruling at least shows that Judge Kimball isn't likely to be be charmed with the deplorable way SCO has conducted itself. Kimball's willingness to consider the writing a separate work, even though a part of it was loosely based on Jacobsen's also casts quite a shadow over SCO's chances (assuming the unlikely worst case scenario that SCO has an ace up its sleeve, rather than the bogus examples we've seen so far). It's certainly a good sign that Kimball is unlikely to buy SCO expansive theories about what constitutes a derivitive work.

The groklaw page has examples where Kimball has ruled against big business, where he's shown competence at handling software intellectual property disputes (eg, Altiris vs Symantec), and where he's handled very complex cases.

While nothing is 100% certain going into the courtroom, it is a fact that the Judge Kimball has been selected to hear this case. His history shows he's competent, fair, and at least in Jacobsen vs Hughes, he doesn't tollerate the sort of shenanigans SCO has been pulling!

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