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UK to Put Monitors in Every Car?

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the insert-orwellian-comments-here dept.

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wackoman2112 writes "The Sun is reporting that the UK government has plans to put a computerised spy in every car. This "spy" will record every single time a motorist goes slightly over the speed limit, into a bus lane, or stops on a yellow line! It will report this information to roadside sensors and you will soon receive a fine in the mail."

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boners (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793360)

n/t

Re:boners (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793405)

Blair's "nukular" exagerations that ended with the "suicide" of this guy ?

Time for a Trainspotting quote :
It's SHITE being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched miserable servile pathetic trash that was ever shat on civilization. Some people hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to get colonized by. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a shite state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and all the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference!

Inflexibility means brittle. (5, Insightful)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793370)

It seems to me that people *need* a certain amount of flexibility in the law.. Something this rigid is bound to fail...it simply goes too far against human nature.

Re:Inflexibility means brittle. (5, Insightful)

agentchaos (571758) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793409)

Seriously. This plan looks like a perpetual drivers' test. And if anything could raise the collective blood pressure of a nation, that looks like just the thing.

Re:Inflexibility means brittle. (3, Interesting)

Malc (1751) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793499)

Sounds like a good idea, judging by all the bad drivers on the road. How many countries retest their drivers throughout their lives? My UK drivers license (old style one) is valid until my 70th birthday in 2044... do you really think what I learnt today will be so relevant then?

Re:Inflexibility means brittle. (4, Insightful)

EnderWiggnz (39214) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793552)

considerring that there hasnt been any changes in the user interface in a car since like 1930, yes, everything would be relevant.

now, at the age of 70, would you be physically able to drive a car? thats a different question.

Re:Inflexibility means brittle. (4, Insightful)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793492)

It seems to me that people *need* a certain amount of flexibility in the law.. Something this rigid is bound to fail...it simply goes too far against human nature.

Might not be such a bad thing, we might wind up with more sensible speed laws then.

Then again, this also seems to be proof that speed laws, etc. are just revenue genrating devices and a means to give the police reason to pull over "profile" folks (ie DWB-Driving while black, and now, DWA-Driving while Arab). IF they really wanted to keep cars from speeding, they'd make the sensors work the other way, tell the car not to exceed 100kph or whatever, and a simple rev-limiter/electronic throttle would maintain the speed.

Soon after they could build us the little matrix-tubes where we could live out our lives in government mandated safety.

what the hell (-1)

sujan (464326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793372)

Day by day Blair administration goes even more totalitarian. I bet he takes cues from our very own dimson, the great President George Walker Bush....

Sieg heil morons

Re:what the hell (0, Flamebait)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793394)

Amazing--- something crappy going on in the UK and you manage to twist it to somehow be Bush's fault. You Bush haters are amuzing.

Re:what the hell (-1)

sujan (464326) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793422)

Department of Homeland Security...

Patriot Act (Asscroft calls it victory act)

and soon to be passed with overwhelming congressional support: Patriot Act II

'nuff said.

Re:what the hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793465)

Name one thing you could legally do in the States before Sept. 11 that you can't now.

Re:what the hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793501)

Uh, expect a warrant?

And I thought red light cameras were a nuisance (1)

Gibble (514795) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793374)

I hope this doesn't come to Canada, I have enough trouble with the few red light/photo radar cameras giving me tickets. If they gave me one every single time I sped...I'd need to win the lottery...every day!

Re:And I thought red light cameras were a nuisance (4, Insightful)

EMH_Mark3 (305983) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793494)

Here's a wacky idea -- how about you stop burning red lights?

Re:And I thought red light cameras were a nuisance (2, Informative)

MImeKillEr (445828) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793517)

There are license plate covers (at least here in the states) you can buy.

Clear to the eye, but the cameras can't get your license #.

Now if they've got a film you can put on your windows to do the same I don't know.

Re:And I thought red light cameras were a nuisance (1)

uberdave (526529) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793532)

They may indeed be a nuisance. However, photo radar was very effective at keeping the speed down on the 401.

The Sun (5, Insightful)

Nicolas MONNET (4727) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793376)

Do you have any fucking idea what "The Sun" is?

Implied: why bother linking to any of their crap?

Re:The Sun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793419)

Isn't Sun the "Dot in Dotcom"?

Re:The Sun (1)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793426)

I have the feeling that this article carries about the same weight as Congress trying to pass a draft law.

The idea is probably somewhere on the table, but the reality of the situation is that in all probability it will not even come close to succeeding.

Re:The Sun (1)

SpudGunMan (456448) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793431)

I just fully looked at the page - this "Sun" is crap they feature "pictures of 'celbs' nude. WTF i would only belive the people if they printed articles like 'Elvis and John Lenon Spotted Near France discussing record deals'

Re:The Sun (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793439)

The Sun is a friend of the government. It is being used to test the waters. Then they can introduce something less draconian and we will be releived it wasn't as bad as we first thought.

Re:The Sun (1)

calhoun2000 (701629) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793451)

Seriously. The Sun is a joke of a paper - more along the lines of the National Enquirer in the states, rather than NY Times or washington post.

If we're going to have links to The Sun, they might as well be links to pagethree.com right?

Re:The Sun (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793484)

Seriously. The Sun is a joke of a paper - more along the lines of the National Enquirer in the states, rather than NY Times or washington post.

The NY Times is more like the Weekly World News than a respectable newspaper. All their stories are lies. Most of it is straigt out of the Onion.

Re:The Sun (1)

Oddly_Drac (625066) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793452)

"Implied: why bother linking to any of their crap?"

I agree, although I find it interesting that the pro-government newspaper (this is a tabloid rag) should be so anti regarding the idea, although it does look like a strawman argument because I can't find references anywhere else.

I get the impression this might be a spun story, but then I'm a cynic.

Re:The Sun (5, Funny)

mcgroarty (633843) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793466)

The Sun also revealed that SCO does indeed own Linux, Darl is the father of Torvald's baby girl, Natalie Portman is a transvestite, and RMS and Taco are in litigation over renaming the site GNU/Slashdot...

It's a dark day for all of us. :-(

Re:The Sun (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793470)

Sorry but the article also appeared in the Sunday Times giving it slightly more credibility :-(

Re:The Sun (1)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793474)

But if we slashdot them, how will they spread their lies on the interweby?

This is an important community service.

Re:The Sun (4, Insightful)

jez_f (605776) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793508)

This is the same sun that thinks that Blunkets' fascist ID cards are a great idea.

In sun think:
ID cards good: keep foreign scum out of the country
Car IDs bad: stop you driving properly and spy on what you do
They have their audience and respond to how they think. They have no consistent viewpoint on civil liberties, they just lisen to their masters voice.

Re:The Sun (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793528)

i agree that the sun paper is not always reliable but i FIRST read about this in Focus so there is prolly more truth in it than you think ..

albit the sun has prolly bulled it up a bit

i.e it does not go on to explain how they are going to find out WHO was driving at the time only the vehicle in question ..

it can be likened to putting a bullet in prison and letting the shooter go free :(

all in all it is a bad idea .. after all the car only does what the driver tells it to

Re:The Sun (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793533)

well.. just hop to page three, it's not all crap.

(that is skip right to here: it page3.com [page3.com] instead of going to the site, deciding it is crap and never finding it on the pulldown menu unless you are familiar with the custom of having page3 for babes so men have a reason to buy these besides stupid gossip too)

that said they could just burn the yellow press.. there's other magazines devoted only to babes available so there's not much point except old men getting to watch babes under their wives radar(which is pathetic in the first place anyways).

Where's Wesley Snipes when you need him? (5, Funny)

Bame Flait (672982) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793377)

I want to see people get irate like Snipes in the phone booth in Demolition Man. Maybe slashbots can start a movement to bring back cryogenically frozen nerds to combat our evil oppressors.

am I missing something? (3, Insightful)

BobTheLawyer (692026) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793379)

Nobody has a right to drive a car over the speed limit, or to shoot a red light: provided suitable privacy protections are put in place, what exactly is wrong with this proposal?

Re:am I missing something? (1)

DaLiNKz (557579) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793450)

perhaps the fact that gives you no flexability. Sometimes you might accidently cross the lines, maybe you had a problem, maybe someone got in your way at the last second and you had to move.

It sounds like there would be no 'context' for these reports..

Re:am I missing something? (1)

Sergeant Beavis (558225) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793486)

How will you feel getting a fine each time you go 1Mph over the speed limit. How about if you go just a little over the stop line at an intersection? How do you feel about the government knowing where you drive and when you are driving? How long until you are taxed for each mile you drive?

There is supposed to be an ASSUMPTION of innocence in how we live our lives. The government is acting as if we are all guilty and just waiting to be caught.

Re:am I missing something? (1)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793503)

So, have you moved out of your parents basement long enough to require a drivers license? Do you currently hold one, or have any idea at all of how the act of driving a vehicle takes place, least of all in Great Britain? Lets ignore the fact that this is "The Sun" too.

On the one hand .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793380)

.. this is an egregious invasion of privacy and an example of a Big Brother nanny-state stepping way over its bounds in its attempts to monitor the citizens. On the other hand, this will probably save thousands of lives each year.

The question is the balance: Is the loss of privacy worth the saved lives? I have my doubts.

Get the F out... (4, Insightful)

chia_monkey (593501) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793381)

No way... Are people's liberties going to be trampled that bad? Would we have to explain every single infraction? "The truck was on my arse so I had to speed up" or "I swerved into the bus lane to miss the dog". The possibilities are endless. And that's just for having legitimate excuses for every time you "break the law". What's scarier is that this is even a possibility. This just paves the way to have video cameras mounted in every car "to ensure your personal safety" or whatever. Kinda frightening if you ask me.

Re:Get the F out... (2, Interesting)

Malc (1751) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793468)

I rather like the idea of a camera in my car. I travelled in a taxi recently that had one. It was constantly recording, and in the event of an accident would stop, saving the last 30 seconds, or something like that. The idea being to make insurance claims easier. I personally want it right now because there's some arse on my street who shunts people if there isn't enough room for his beat up VW van... he's made a mess of my rear bumper, but I haven't caught him in the act yet.

Re:Get the F out... (2, Insightful)

hswerdfe (569925) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793522)

it would be possible to filter out things like that.
or example:
Traveling in the bus lane for more than 5 minutes.
or staying above the speed limit for more than 15 minutes, or failing to slow down for a speed zone.

I totally agree with you that this would be a total bullshit invasion of privacy, I am just saying there are probably lesss problems with actually implimenting it than you let on.

Re:Get the F out... (3, Interesting)

astar (203020) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793541)

Science Fiction deals with this sort of tech application on occasion. A term that has arisen to describe it is *pervasive policing*. Fictionally, it is not described as a social good.

I have concluded we have too many laws and the only thing that makes it tolerable is that the laws are not much enforced. Congress critters would take a different view.

Sheesh... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793384)

And people say the United States is Orwellian!

Sensors. (3, Interesting)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793387)

If they're going to be that way about it, they'd be better off having the road sensors set the speed of the car, making speeding impossible.

Re:Sensors. (1)

tanguyr (468371) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793548)

nope - you may *have* to exceed the speed limit in order to void an accident. better fined than dead.

Screw Thy Neighbor! (4, Insightful)

Null_Packet (15946) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793388)

Cool! All you need to do is swipe a sensor from the side of the road, reverse engineer the signals in your garage, and sniff your neighbor's/enemies' signature, and you can bankrupt them with traffic tickets!

There's a reason human beings do this in the US- one because it's always open to interpretation, and two- we have to have a job like traffic cop for the jerks in our society.

Dutch minister: Curse control (5, Informative)

Frans Faase (648933) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793390)

A Dutch minister has suggested the idea to install a cruse control (with speed limit) in every car. Aside from this there have been experiments here in the Netherlands with such a cruse control that would limit the speed based on GPS data and a database.

The Sun in perspective (5, Informative)

ratbag (65209) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793396)

The Sun is a tabloid rag, concerned only with tittle-tattle, gossip, celebrity "revelations" and salacious pictures. It is not a newspaper and I wouldn't ever think of using it as the basis for a sensible discussion on any issue. Someone find a reference to this "story" in a real newspaper and we can talk about it.

Rob.

That's why (3, Funny)

Sgt_Jake (659140) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793399)

I only own cars that are more than 10 years old. ... yeah, that's the ticket...

Re:That's why (2, Informative)

popeydotcom (114724) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793498)

what difference does that make?

they plan to add the chip to cars during their MOT..

Re:That's why (1)

alatesystems (51331) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793524)

Quoting Article:

The scheme would force car makers to fit the microchip in all new vehicles. Older cars would have them added during an MOT.

Read it before claiming immunity.

Credentials of the source (4, Informative)

Burb (620144) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793400)

For the benefit of those not familiar with the British press, this is the paper that brought you "Freddy Starr Eat My Hamster" on the front page. And topless girls on page 3. And such high, high, journalistic standards.

The Source (2, Informative)

Provos (20410) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793402)

Given the nature of the paper this story orignated in, I'd say the story should be taken with a grain of salt.

Heh (2, Interesting)

pheared (446683) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793403)

Well at least they are coming out and saying it. Here in the US they trick us into using EZ-Pass [ezpass.com] because without it, some of these highways are brutal to navigate. Sure, it only pays your tolls, for now. Sure, it's only optional, for now.

We need this in America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793404)

It's the only surefire way to get the sheeple to wake up to the chilling potential of some of the newer data-collecting techniques the government is implementing. They all say "I have done nothing wrong, I have nothing to hide.." BS. EVERYONE does something wrong and we all have something to hide.

Re:We need this in America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793477)

Except for me and my BonziBuddy!

page 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793406)

the only interesting thing in "The Sun" is the page 3 models.

Uh huh (4, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793407)

Overreaction, as usual, by the Sun. I'm not even going to finish reading this diatribe, I don't buy it, not even for the UK. All of this is easier accomplished by roadside cameras, and has the same basic flaw - it wont hold up in court.

At any rate, you have the right to a day in court, and to face your accuser. Unless this tattler box can show up to testify against you, your case will be thrown out.

So once again some loudmouth says something stupid or sarcastic, and the Sun jumps all over it like its the next big story. Those guys are almost as bad as slashdot when it comes to fact checking.

Sell your car (0)

csoto (220540) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793410)

I ride a motorcycle, so nyah nyah.

The Sun.... (1)

mr_stark (242856) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793411)

Is one of the UKs most notorious tabloid rags. Take the article with a big pinch of salt.

terrorism? (1)

barryfandango (627554) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793413)

The government cites a reduction in crime and help in tracking down terrorists as a benefit of this system. But as with gun control, it is only the law-abiding citizens that get penalized - criminals can buy black market/unregistered firearms, and terrorists can drive older cars that don't feature the new chip.

The obligatory SCO Joke (0)

wildzeke (191754) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793414)

I wish SCO would charge the UK government $699 for each monitor.

Poll Tax II (2, Interesting)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793416)

With the disclaimer that the Sun is a rag and can't really be believed I can imagine this would be met with a similar response to the Poll tax in the UK. Why should people stand for such blatent money grabbing government interference in their day to day lives.

The Sun (5, Informative)

Graham Clark (11925) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793417)

It's a terrible, terrible newspaper with a reputation for making up half of what they print and not checking the rest.

They also have severe disagreements with the government and are not above lying to score political points.

This might be true, but a second and more reputable source would be better.

Re:The Sun (1)

mcgroarty (633843) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793511)

It's a terrible, terrible newspaper with a reputation for making up half of what they print and not checking the rest.

I can see why the article appealed to the Slash "editors." :-)

Totally Draconian (1)

moehoward (668736) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793418)

How stupid. Period.

Where is the judgement here? What if I swerve to miss a deer? What if I have an emergency? Is the maintenance of this thing and calibration my responsibility or the governments?

Looks like you're guilty until proven innocent again.

Great use of tax money... NOT! Are the societal costs of these problems so freakin' high that this is the best answer? Are there not other more pressing issues? Are the police too busy chasing online file traders that they can't police the roads any more?

As long as it is fairly balanced by... (3, Funny)

BigGerman (541312) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793420)

... putting a computerized spy in every police car and such!
So if you rights are violated, you will get a fat settlement check in the mail automatically as well.
Eventually we all will have "legal bots" fighting each other in the depths of the Legal Network.

:crosses fingers: (1)

tomcio (143235) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793421)

i hope they enforce this system in the US of A, it is bound to be easily fuckable with.

Good Evening Sir... (4, Funny)

Suhas (232056) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793423)

...I am here to take your daughter for dance.

Sure Son, here, Take my car.

A grain of salt... (4, Informative)

Shoten (260439) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793425)

Keep in mind that this is a British tabloid that is doing the reporting. The genre is notorious for fluff, demagoguery, and "sports dailies" that are basically half sports, half softcore porn. I'd hope to see something a bit more solid verifying this story before I worried too much about it.

Whats the guarantee... (2, Insightful)

SPravin (646932) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793427)

... that this spy cam will only be used for monitoring speed limit, & not for some nefarious motive? The opportunities are endless, if such a public spy-cam system is compromised.

That isn't going to happen (1)

Muerto (656791) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793429)

I am sorry.. but I don't buy that for one second. We all talk about how privacy is being removed.. and maybe someday this will happen... but not anytime soon. People will not allow it. The government can't seriously do something like that. It isn't financially viable.

And a quick judgement (1)

Guiri (522079) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793432)

Yeah, detect when a motorist goes faster than the speed limit and.. crash him to hell!!

OK how many of you saw "monitors" (1)

rickmccl (637396) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793433)

and thought of car MP3 players, or playstation hookups?

Must be one of those euro word thingies.

Issue (0, Informative)

MImeKillEr (445828) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793434)

Quoth the article:

The scheme would force car makers to fit the microchip in all new vehicles. Older cars would have them added during an MOT

and

Car registration and MOT details would be carried on every chip, making stolen or uninsured vehicles simpler to trace.

WTF is an 'MOT'?

What happens when you sell a vehicle? What incentive would the lot or private citizen have to ensure that the registration information on the chip is changed?

How about home-brew programmers that either remove all restrictions or change the registration to that of someone else? How about everyone change their on-chip registration to Prince Charles?

Unfortunately, the article doesn't go into any technical details.

Re:Issue (1)

harryman100 (631145) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793529)

WTF is an 'MOT'?

The MOT is a basic roadworthiness test that all UK vehicles have to go through every year (unless they are less than three years old) I haven't RTFA but my judgement would be that registration infomation would simply be the same as the registration plate displayed on the outside of the car. It would just mean that the car could be indentified in the same way as it can be now, just without the use of complicated number recognition equipment.

There would be exactly the same incentive to keep the registration information up to date, as there is now, and no doubt the process will be exactly the same. You will be required to be the registered owner of the vehicle in order to purchase road tax.

Call me picky (1)

m00nun1t (588082) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793438)

But isn't using the word "spy" just sensationalising it? Spy infers it's unknown or sneaky. This may be unpopular, unethical, maybe even illegal, but it isn't spying - people know it is there.

But The Sun is there to sell newspapers (and doing a mighty fine job of it last I saw their sales figures) not to report accurately or fairly.

What a great idea! (3, Interesting)

schon (31600) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793442)

This is great - what if you need to break one of these laws to prevent an accident?

Say (for example) someone doesn't see you, and cuts you off in traffic - you have two options.. you can swerve into the bus lane, or let them hit you (stopping traffic, raising your insurance rates, possibly causing injury)

I can see it now - if someone pisses you off in traffic, you just force them into a bus lane.. a month later, they get a fine!

Yeah, that's real fair.

Why Not? (1)

frank249 (100528) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793445)

Why should we be using police officers to enforce traffic laws when technology can do it better? Would not a better use of their time and training be preventing violent crime? Traffic enforcement is so randomly enforced now that many feel they can get away with it. If this can reduce traffic fatalities and put more police back in the communities to prevent serious violent crime, then I am all for it.

Just like airbags.... (1)

TonyPyGarthno (173860) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793446)

I'm sure there will be someway to disable this system =)

just my 2

For future reference (1)

Amomynos Coward (674631) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793447)

Ok, this is something they should put into Demolition Man 2!

Sylvester: "I'll catch that bastard!" (pushes the pedal)

*beep*

Sylvester: "What the heck was that?"

*beep*

Sandra: "It's the AutoFine(tm), you were driving too fast"

Sylvester: "but what was the second beep?"

Sandra: "You said heck"

*beep*

This is the wrong angle for the sensors (1)

mrjohnston (696443) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793453)

If you really want people to obey the laws you don't do something stupid like send them tickets all the time. Its much more logical to just have these monitors and sensors be capable of only allowing the car to go an acceptable speed, no more. That would seem to be almost as easy as this and prevent all those stupid tickets and big government that goes along with this kind of thing.
They could then build the lane stuff in so that it beeps if you are in a wrong lane and if you stay there over so many seconds it reports it.
Crazy stuff.

New Labour scaremongering (1)

Zog The Undeniable (632031) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793456)

How to succeed in politics, by Tony Blair:

1. Leak a highly controversial new policy to the media
2. Wait for the reaction
3. If it's overtly hostile, shelve the policy and deny all knowledge
4. ???
5. Get re-elected!

This is a great idea (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793458)

The only people that will complain about this are the people who routinely break the traffic laws. I know I wouldn't speed anymore if I knew it would result in an automatic ticket. Same as P2P really. It was all fun and games when you couldn't get in trouble for doing it. Then when the RIAA started suing people they wised up and started to realize that the chance of getting in trouble was too great to risk. I haven't used a P2P app in months. It's just not worth sacrificing a clean criminal record and my future employment opportunities to download some crappy music. I think the federal government should mandate these monitors in US cars by 2005 and provide funding for the roadside sensors.

The threesomes article interested me more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793463)

NO, really.

Hmm.. (1)

Talia Starhawke (650311) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793464)

One advantage to this is you'll be able to tell where your kids have been with your car!

"No Mum, I left with plenty of time to get home by curfew..."

"Really? Then why did I just get a bloody speeding ticket in the mail?"

Yeah, I can definitely see the upside to that... /sarcasm

Wire cutters anyone? (1)

f1ipf10p (676890) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793478)

Snip, snip, no electrons for sensor power supply.

No report, no fine.

Or maybe just pull a fuse or relay.

Or maybe Lucas (of MG & old Jaguar electrical fame) will be producing the system, so it will stop functioning by itself very quickly...

btw-car fans, I as well believe Jag and MG had many redeeming values... just not the elecrical system.

It's just paint on the road. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793479)

Are we supposed to believe that the government knows where all the bus lanes are? Or all the speed restriction signs for that matter.

And in other news... (1)

mgcsinc (681597) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793483)

The UK Post service is inundated with more than three times the usual number of letters to carry...

It will not last for long (1)

kunsan (189020) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793487)

I can see these little black boxes being used in cases where death / serious injury occurs, and the data is used to determine the exact cause (as has already happened in the USA). But, can you imagine the number of infractions that would be reported on a daily basis? There are bound to be errors and mistakes. Seems like a huge headache waiting to happen.

--JP

It brings a whole new meaning to :- (1)

Quietlife2k (612005) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793489)

Hacking & Wardriving -

New definitions :-

1) A Hacker is now someone who frequently changes lane. - (the old term Hacking is now called "pacifing technology")

2) Wardriving is driving after having pacified the monitoring technology. And (if implemented) it should push the value of those vehicles up a few notches.

(insane sounding laughs rebound all around as he reaches for his "pacify all" tool ..... AKA The Sledgehammer)

On a serious note - those with antique cars should be safe from this attack of sheer stupidity.

Ob (1)

The Ape With No Name (213531) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793490)

I, for one, welcome our new Nanny State overlords.

Weekly World News is reporting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793496)

...Bat Boy will be on tour in support of Patriot Act II. Now that's something to talk about!

Bollocks (0)

PrImED73 (695394) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793504)

If you believe the utter bollocks The Sun comes out with, you may as well pay $699 for a SCO Liecense.

Computerized Driver (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793509)

I'd much rather have a car that takes me from A to B and follows the rules of the road so I don't have to. Please spend the research money on that instead.

Why always in UK? (1)

Logic Bomb (122875) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793513)

I'm an American, and I know my government does all kinds of rotten things, mostly without widespread public knowledge. But why do we regularly hear about the latest insane plan in the UK to clamp down on people's independence/privacy? In most advanced democracies, governments can't get away with making proposals that piss off the general populace. I know the words are in our constitution, not yours, but it doesn't sound like "government by the people." Seriously, this isn't a troll. I'd just like to hear a local perspective on this. Do parties/officials that make these proposals actually survive the next election? For example, recently here a spook from the Reagan era was finally sacked after having one too many lapses of insanity (search news.google.com for Poindexter).

It's RFID (1)

Syre (234917) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793514)

This is obviously another application of RFID.

Whether it's approved or not, RFID will probably be in every car eventually, and if it's keyed to the Vehicle Identification Number which is in every automobile registration, it will be trivial to know who each car belongs to.

Put a few RFID detectors by the side of the road (or embedded in the road), measure the time it takes to go between two of them and you have the system described in the article.

I thought the CmdrTaco option... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6793516)

...was for Polls. Do we hear from the Weekly World News next?

Is CmdrTaco Alien Baby? Topless pics inside! (1)

Pvt_Waldo (459439) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793519)

Our "reporters" have concrete proof! CmdrTaco and the other /. gang are really ALIEN SPIES sent to confuse us with off posts once in a while. And the rumors that Cowboy Neal is actually Elvis? We're checking up on that.

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I don't know about the UK but in the US... (4, Insightful)

ebuck (585470) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793534)

It would take approximately 2 hours after this passes for an entrapenuer to board and airplane and set up shop in Mexico.

This shop would produce circumvention kits, which would be banned from import, yet be strangely available via flea markets, and some "grey-area" mail order catalogs.

It would eventually require the continual inspection of automobiles to verify that the devices haven't been circumvented. And in the US, a car has become so much part of the identity of "being American", that people would consider even inspecting the system an attack on their civil liberties.

But then again, should the US Gov. indicate that it is necessary because suspected terrorists could be using vechiles (aka cars) to plan their next grocery store outing, I'd fully expect it to pass with full approval.

Cynical? No! Not me! hahahahaha....

What is up with this? (1)

lone_marauder (642787) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793543)

It is interesting to me that the British seem to be leading the way in staggeringly invasive electronic law enforcement. Can someone in the know lend some insight as to what it is about the character of the UK government (and people) that is behind these efforts?

I ask because in the U.S., electronic law enforcement is basically about establishing and maintaining revenue streams. Any penalties involving fines pretty much boil down to corruption machines and stealth taxes, so when you see this sort of thing pop up over here, you usually have only to follow the money to find out who or what is motivating it.

Yes, but.... (0)

nathos (655477) | more than 11 years ago | (#6793551)

In SOVIET RUSSIA, your crime reporting car drives YOU!
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