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New Battlestar Galactica - Worth a Series?

Cliff posted more than 11 years ago | from the by-your-command dept.


rwxJava asks: "Ok, so it finally aired! IMHO it was pretty good. The special effects were great (no major laws of physics were broken except maybe FTL travel), the characters, while drastically different from the original, were believable! After about an hour or so, I stopped trying to compare the mini-series with the original. My only complaint has to be the amount of commercials that Scf-Fi put in. I was able to put up a Christmas Tree during one commercial break. Guess the network needs to cash in on such a hyped up event! By the end, I was left wanting more! Anyone else think it is worthy of conversion to a series?" Now that you've have had a time to watch the entire 4-hour epic (does 4 hours really make a "mini-series"?), do you think your earlier comments were on target?

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Don't forget... (-1)

SCO$699FeeTroll (695565) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693200)

...to pay your $699 licensing fee you ckc-smoking teabaggers.

IT IS TEH SUCK (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693201)

I don't know what else to say


YUO ARE TEH SUCK (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693292)

You fial fp LOL
omfg you are such a dork

Advertising... (1, Offtopic)

nickroethemeier (676503) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693219)

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A quick and dirty review (5, Interesting)

MoxCamel (20484) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693220)

First, let me just say that John Olmos was correct: If you are so
dedicated to the original series that you cannot bring yourself to imagine
it any other way, then do yourself a favor and skip this miniseries. You
will only be disappointed, and you will nitpick it to death.

On the other hand, if you can bring yourself, however painfully, to
open your mind to the possiblity of a "re-imagining" of the Battlestar
Galactica concept, then I think you're in for a pleasant surprise.

It's not all wonderful. Screenwriter Ron Moore wanted
to bring a more grown-up Galactica to his audience, but he's apparantly
confused grown-up with gratuitious. Sex works much better when it's done
dramatically, instead of the "hey watch us get it on!" style that Moore
forces on us. He is perhaps striving to show us the sexual energy between
the characters, but really all it does is make us wonder when the low
quality porno music is going to kick in.

Otherwise, the annoyances are minor. The cylon space fighters,
apparantly just space-borne Cylons (a neat idea, really) come off kind of
hoakey with their red sweeping eyes. I know, I know, the eyes are really
some kind of electromagnetic pulse weapons, but it's distracting just the

Okay, now on to what's good. First, and foremost, the story is solid.
Whereas in the original series we just had to take for granted that the
Cylons were the embodiment of evil, now we understand why.

The characters is also solid. Again, you'll have to get over
your preconceptions of the original series characters, and at least try
to buy in to the new ones. The hardest pill for me to swallow were the
gender changes of Starbuck and Boomer. But I actually found myself liking
the new Starbuck, although the Boomer role could have been a bit stronger.

The special effects were incredible, and proved that you really can
make space realistic, and exciting. In fact, the "no sound in space"
approach actually heightened the tension, and proved that you don't have
to dumb-down physics for the masses. Also, having the space ships use
maneuvering jets created even more exciting scenes than the normal Top Gun
stuff we're used to.

Is it worth a series? I think so. With a solid backstory, believable
characters, and an approach that doesn't assume the audience are stupid,
it could quite very set the bar for future Sci Fi.

Re:A quick and dirty review (5, Funny)

Have Blue (616) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693270)

open your mind to the possiblity of a "re-imagining" of the Battlestar Galactica concept, then I think you're in for a pleasant surprise

Or if, as with me, you know fuck all about the original series and are approaching this show with a blank slate :)

Re:A quick and dirty review (1)

tres (151637) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693381)

I think the gratuitous sex scenes weren't so gratuitous when you look who they involved.

One of the big things done during the show was to blend the lines between human and silon. Sex was one of the ways that that line was blurred.

Of course, I think there really wasn't a comfortable way to do that, and maybe the director had it in mind that we should be painfully aware of it.

Re:A quick and dirty review (2)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693465)

One thing to look at was the fact that all the "sex" shown in the mini-series was actually between human and cyclon (well there were one or two kisses between humans, but the "sex scenes" were between human and cyclons).

Re:A quick and dirty review (1)

gralem (45862) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693387)

All-in-all a thumbs up. Does not compare to original, but would be better as a series than a two-night mini-series.


What about "why do the cylons want to kill us"? (4, Interesting)

tizzyD (577098) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693388)

That was the major question I though they did not seem to answer, or at least even touch.

I could understand a different species not liking us, and in some way, being what we might call pure evil. Hey, they're different. Species are different. Intelligence does not mean that we all get along.

But in this case, the cylons are now our computers run amok. OK, while I can deal with this change, they never then touched on why they want to kill us? Because we wanted to kill them? Why do they want to kill us now? What does it benefit them? What computational values make them _want_ to expend the resources, et al to go to war with us? They just glanced that one over, and in the end, said, hey, the cylons want to kill us, so there.

Re:What about "why do the cylons want to kill us"? (2, Interesting)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693515)

I didnt catch 100% of the series but I gleaned from it the sense that the cylons wanted away with the humans like a bad case of roaches. 'Wasteful parasites' that consume their resources require eradication, and at one point they quoted something like 'kill them before they come back for revenge', demonstrating their desire to pursue the humans throughout space to make the universe a safer place for cylons.

I'll second that (1)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693474)

I watched the first episode last night (minus the commercials) and woke up this morning thinking about it. I'm glad that the Firefly special effects team lived on, as their portrayal of combat in space is fresh and interesting. Nice physics touches too, though I admit it's unrealistic that everyone is so close together. Some of the nuclear bombardment scenes were truly chilling.

A big "Ditto" on the actors. Though the younger ones were a bit rough, the president and Adama were great.

So, I think this one will hit my short list of shows, though I think I will perhaps delay watching so as to skip all the commercials.

Occasional TV-Movie would be ideal (4, Insightful)

Patman (32745) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693234)

I really, really liked the new Galactica miniseries. I thought it was realistic(within reason), dark, and gritty - just what that sort of situation would demand.

Personally, I'd like to see a series of TV movies rather than a weekly series. I think this would work better as an occasional treat, hitting the highlights of the journey, rather than trying to tell 22 stories a year.

Re:Occasional TV-Movie would be ideal (1)

L0C0loco (320848) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693436)

Well it depends upon where they take the script. If you look at the setting we are left with at the end of the pilot (mini-series), I worry about it begin another Star Trek Voyager. They jumped way out into the middle of nowhere (read lots and annoying aliens) and an arch-enemy (aka another Borg). They only real difference is that they know where they are and can presumably jump back rather easily. Would I be willing to watch more episodes? Yes, as long as they stay away from a Doctor Z character!

FLT (1, Funny)

n00bieriffic (732021) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693235)

Well since we can now freeze light I can walk faster than it.

FTL travel (1)

solitarian (398175) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693244)

There is nothing saying that you can't go faster than the speed of light!

Re:FTL travel (1)

the_consumer (547060) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693334)

Be my guest. The rest of us would love to see you do it.

Re:FTL travel (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693352)

Nothing at all...

Except maybe E=MC^2

Damn that Einstein, who does he think he is??

Re:FTL travel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693403)

so therefore the speed of light would be (E/M)^(1/2). And faster than the speed of light would be (E/M)^(1/2) + 1. Law still holds

Re:FTL travel (1)

tr0yt4b0r (692573) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693426)

That's assuming C (lower case c, actually, which is the speed of light) is constant, which we now know it is not.

Sound? (3, Interesting)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693245)

Did they have sound in space as the ships flew by? That has always been one of my major pet peeves. At least Kubrick got it right in 2001.

Re:Sound? (2, Informative)

Scoria (264473) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693271)

At least Kubrick got it right in 2001.

Firefly did, too, actually. :-)

Re:Sound? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693297)

I just hit the mute button any time there's a space scene for that extra-realistic experience.

Re:Sound? (2, Informative)

bandy (99800) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693304)

Muted sounds, sorry to say, but at least they were muted and the Vipers used maneuvering jets and "hello, I'm flying backwards now" tactics rather than Star Wars-ish "a spaceship flies just like a Spitfire" swoopy stuff.

Re:Sound? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693314)

Yeah but that was one of the crappiest movies I have ever seen. It could be condensed to about 45 minutes without losing ANYTHING interesting

Re:Sound? (1)

RobinH (124750) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693338)

Did they have sound in space as the ships flew by? That has always been one of my major pet peeves. At least Kubrick got it right in 2001.

They did, but it was always juxtaposed with a very loud scene inside of Galactica, and the space scene's noises were always quite quiet, so it definitely gave the impression of space being quiet. It was an interesting way to do it, I thought.

But they definitely overused the shakey-camera effect.

Re:Sound? (3, Interesting)

Rorschach1 (174480) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693439)

Yes, there was sound in space. But they did a good job of keeping it muted, more a suggestion of sound to let you know your TV's not screwed up. I liked it.

Yeah, the shaky camera was over-done. But have you ever tried moving around in a pressure suit while holding a camcorder? =]

And FINALLY we get to see someone turn a fighter around and fly backwards to shoot at missiles! The combat overall reminded me a lot of the game Terminus. Yes, there are 'stars' moving by in Terminus, but they're generated by your HUD as a visual reference.

I enjoyed it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693253)

Having watched BG as a kid, and recently in reruns on Sci-Fi, I realized I wasn't really a big fan of the original. It just did not hold up at all, and Galactica 1980 or whatever it was is... awful... horrid. Anyway, the 2 part movie was good, although it did steal a few ideas from elsewhere. I liked the female Starbuck (even though she's no Major Carter from SG1). And the twist at the end made me want a series.

Chistmas tree? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693257)

I was able to put up a Christmas Tree during one commercial break.

They were waiting for you to finish, stupid!

Problems... (5, Funny)

phraktyl (92649) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693267)

I saw a few scenes in the first half that didn't involve people having sex. I thought those were extraneous, and could have been removed...

No laws of physics broken? Let's disect... (3, Insightful)

KodaK (5477) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693269)

no major laws of physics were broken except maybe FTL travel

Um, how about those arcing missiles the Cylons shot out? Looked great, definately impossible.

I'm sure there are others, that's just the first one that came to mind.

Re:No laws of physics broken? Let's disect... (2, Insightful)

NecroPuppy (222648) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693368)

Help me out here...

Why would the arcing missiles be impossible?

Missile (forgive the lousy ASCII art)

===== -Thrust that way.

Applying thrust from the side of the missile, akin to the maneuvering jets, would get you an arc, wouldn't it?

Taking inertia into account, etc.

Or am I missing something obvious here?

Re:No laws of physics broken? Let's disect... (2, Insightful)

skroz (7870) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693422)

I think the poster was referring to the contrails BEHIND the missiles. In a vacuum, the gasses of the contrails would disperse so quickly that contrails that long would be unlikely if not impossible. They'd disperse to invisibility just behind the motor.

Re:No laws of physics broken? Let's disect... (1)

jfroebe (10351) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693401)

actually, no... not impossible. Think about it. Slightly adjusting the exhaust will direct the missile in another direction... but the arcs that were shown in the movie would require more adjustments - most likely gas ports such as on the fighters... just because we didnt' see them doesn't mean they weren't there

Re:No laws of physics broken? Let's disect... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693464)

Not impossible if you have nose thrusters on the missile. Hell, we have those today on nuclear missile warheads to confuse ABMs. How do you think spacecraft today maneuver in space?

Re:No laws of physics broken? Let's disect... (1)

chainsaw1 (89967) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693478)

vectored thrust can accomplish that easily. Some modern military fighters are beginning to have that (F22) to augment standard flight controls.

I couldn't tell if those missles were constantly accelerating though. They should if they are burning propellant the whole time (also required for vectored thrust)

Lastly, no one who would want a nimble shooting platform in space would have it be as asymetric as the Vipers are. Rotational about the long axis of the Viper body (fore to aft) would take for ever. The fighters of Lost in Space are the most realistic of any movie i've seen so far (IMHO)

compare and contrast (1)

mateomiguel (614660) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693273)

old Battlestar Galactica:new Battlestar Galactica::star trek the animated series:babylon 5

Re:compare and contrast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693393)

Hey, you just leave Babylon 5 right the fuck out of any 'new Battlestar Galactica comparison'.. May as well be comparing worms to God.

It Was Stupid. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693275)

The spaceships in the new series weren't powered by Linux. That automatically makes this series inherently homosexual in nature.

- A Typical Linux-Loving Slashbot Fagg0t

mmmmmm female starbuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693276)

mmmmmmmm female starbuck

Re:mmmmmm female starbuck (1)

8282now (583198) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693357)

mmmm female Boomer... ;)

Battlestar galactica (2, Interesting)

Nasser (80677) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693281)

I used to watch the original TV series when I was younger, and although it was a different twist to the same story, I very much enjoyed the new mini series. I think we need more good Sci-Fi shows on TV, and this one gets my vote!

More good than bad (3, Informative)

Gambrinus (103988) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693283)

There were more good things about the mini-series than bad. Overall I enjoyed the series and found myself wishing it was on next week.

Bottom line, it was better than a lot of crap currently on TV.

It's OK. (4, Informative)

Skeld (460823) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693285)

Better a bunch of the rest of the crap sci fi out there. The space ships look pretty good.

I'm kind of disappointed that the robot guys (cylons?) aren't at all robotic, even at the microscopic level (according to the show).

Also, space flight doesn't work like that... but every other series I've seen has portrayed space flight as far too similar to atmospheric flight, so I guess I shouldn't bother complaining. I don't like the president woman, either.

Final verdict: yeah, make more, I'll watch it.

Re:It's OK. (2, Informative)

n00bieriffic (732021) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693369)

Do you remember those guards that you saw at the beginning with the moving red light where we think eyes should be? Those are cylons. There are 12 models of human imitation cylons, we have been introduced to 4 of them so far. The rest of the cylons have the knight rider eyes (including the cylon fighters it seems).

Grammar (1)

r84x (650348) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693288)

you've have had a time to watch

You have have had? That doesn't sound right... Unless... Quick, someone freeze light and stop this error from reaching millions of /. grammar nazis, or we are all DOOMED!

I was dread it. (1)

Visceral Monkey (583103) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693290)

But when I sat down to watch it, man, I was really impressed. It was simply one of the best sci-fi mini series I've ever seen. I can't say it enough, it didn't suck, it was great fun. If they don't make this a series there is something seriously wrong. The way they showed the end of the colonies was excellent. My only pet peve was the last 15 seconds of the show. I thought that was a tad contrived..but it did have a surprise and a the very last comment was..."By your command". Highly recommend it.

Just waiting for a thread about Mormon content... (0, Offtopic)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693306)

in the original series. Every /. story involving BSG or Utah ends up having a nasty Mormon thread involving lots of ACs. So where is it?

Re:Just waiting for a thread about Mormon content. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693365)

You just started it

Re:Just waiting for a thread about Mormon content. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693480)

Mormons are worse than Arabs because they look just like proper, God-fearing Christians!

No major laws of physics broken EXCEPT (3, Interesting)

jbum (121617) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693309)

1) Sounds in space. Space ships could be heard
making "thrusting" and "crashing" noises.

2) Continual stream of stars zoom past windows
to convey forward momentum (as opposed to say,
rotation or banking). Perhaps they were
trying to reproduce one of the things I hated
in the original series.

3) Lovely handheld-style (jerky) camera moves
from space. I actually liked this (think they
did it in Firefly too), but how do you get the
cameraman from "Law and Order" into a spacesuit?

Re:No major laws of physics broken EXCEPT (1)

MoxCamel (20484) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693362)

1) Sounds in space. Space ships could be heard making "thrusting" and "crashing" noises.

I took most of the sounds to be heard from the inside of the cockpit, where you really would be able to hear it. For example, when the debris is hitting Starbuck's canopy ("only the rain, sir!"), she would have heard it, but you would not have heard it from the outside.

Re:No major laws of physics broken EXCEPT (3, Funny)

kinnell (607819) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693438)

2) Continual stream of stars zoom past windows to convey forward momentum (as opposed to say, rotation or banking).

When that happens, I just imagine the action is taking place in another universe in which the characters are several light years tall.

Re:No major laws of physics broken EXCEPT (1)

glpierce (731733) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693447)

I didn't see it, but here are my guesses for why 1 & 3 would be there...

Thrusting & crashing noises may be through the ears of the people on the ships - just because they aren't in the shot doesn't mean we can't hear what they can. Same with "handheld" outer space camerawork - you're getting the "human" perspective (the "experience," if you will) of the scene. Even if no one could see from that angle, what you're seeing is what you would see if you were standing there (attention shifts, etc).

Re:No major laws of physics broken EXCEPT (0)

!Freeky2BGeeky (657344) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693453)

How about the fact that the vipers used attitudinal (sp?) jets but the cylons seemed not to need them (or for that matter any other form of propulsion). Maybe I missed it but why was it the cylons could turn on a dime but the vipers had trouble to even keep formation?

Re:No major laws of physics broken EXCEPT (1)

throbbingbrain.com (443482) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693466)

Continual stream of stars zoom past windows to convey forward momentum
I just kept telling myself, "They're turning... they must be turning.." because I don't want to believe that the sci-fi channel would do that.

New BSG (4, Insightful)

BobRooney (602821) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693311)

I've had my set tuned to sci-fi all this week happily watching both showings of the same episode each evening. Not only have I been enjoying the new interpretation of story but i am finding some characters substantially more/less endearing that the originals. Specifically: Apollo is just not cutting the mustard. On the flip side, the new Starbuck is every bit as fiery and troublesome as the original character. Lorne Green, move over, Adama is masterfully portrayed and conveys certain conflictions and moral jostling that were not present in Tos.

Dare I forget Voltar. Just wow. He's not only likeable but practically the star of the show. I'm still not exactly sure how this interpretation will translate as the seris progresses, but its certainly nice to have less clearcut good guys vs. bad guys.

Re:New BSG (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693485)

Dare I forget Voltar

Gaius Baltar

Physics (-1, Redundant)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693312)

no major laws of physics were broken except maybe FTL travel

I admit that I haven't seen it. Basically due to not having cable (or even a fast 'net connection), or time.

But my understanding is that they've still got space fighters. If that's so, and no one's thought to use serious kinetic kill weapons, I suspect that there's some laws of physics being broken somewhere.

Re:Physics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693444)

I think I can answer this.

The FTL drive, is really some sort of instant dimensional warp, that takes you from A to B in a jump, so you can't use to to ram people.

Everything else, missiles, bullets, using trusters to turn. Seems to indicate the tech isn't that advanced (i.e. chemical or ion engines)

Same fx team as Babylon 5? (1, Insightful)

ScottGant (642590) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693320)

I haven't done any research...as I'm lazy. But the fx look very Lightwave-ish...but they zoom WAY too much...as if there's a camcorder out in space shooting everything.

Also, the production design leaves a lot to be desired...the ship interiors look really really drab.

The acting and direction is certainly better than the original series.

But all in all, I would say this should just stay a mini-series.

Re:Same fx team as Babylon 5? (1)

KodaK (5477) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693399)

but they zoom WAY too much...as if there's a camcorder out in space shooting everything.

That's the effect they were going for. They wanted a "documentary" feel to the direction.

I saw a "making of" or whatever it was. My Tivo recorded it. Stop looking at me like that.

I agree: too many commercials (0, Redundant)

Grant29 (701796) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693321)

I thought that there were too many commercials as well. I was watching it while I recorded it on my ReplayTV so I was subject to the commercial pain.

However, when I re-watched it later, I am constently reminded of how vauluable the ReplayTV commercial skip feature is. Well worth the price of a DVR just for the commercial skip feature.

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Not bad, but one change I'd like to see... (3, Funny)

koreth (409849) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693328)

Next week on Battlestar Galactica: Commander Adama finally gets a full night's sleep! Adama like you've never seen him before -- he's wide awake and ready for action!

Re:Not bad, but one change I'd like to see... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693468)

It's not his fault he has squinty eyes, he's on the medical marijuana. You know for the pain of getting his ass kicked by a cylon.

Galactica (1)

dkragen2002 (635073) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693331)

Since the battlestar is a class of ship, is the "Galactica" the only one? In the original it was the last one to survive (excepting the one they "found" in one of the episodes, only to "lose" it again).

Just curious if anyone knows if that will part of the plot or not.

Re:Galactica (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693383)

Yes, they had one for every one of the colonies, and this was the final remaining one. They were about to decomission it and turn it into a tourist attraction.

Re:Galactica (1)

Psion (2244) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693519)

A minor correction: According to the new show, when the Galactica was built there was one Battlestar for each colony. Galactica represented Caprica. But by the time of the show, there were many more. In one engagement, thirty Battlestars were lost, "a quarter of the fleet" according to one of the characters.

Re:Galactica (1)

jezor (51922) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693419)

Wasn't it the Pegasus, commanded by Lloyd Bridges [movieprop.com] ? {Jonathan, whose favorite old BG episode was with Fred Astaire as Chameleon, the old con man who was....

spoiler space

Starbuck's father, and who did the role because his grandkids thought the show was cool}

Re:Galactica (1)

dacarr (562277) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693443)

I believe there was mention of loss of contact with the other Battlestars.

Re:Galactica (1)

Samurai Cat! (15315) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693463)

They made mention of a bunch of other battlestars, and them all getting destroyed. There was the scene with Boomer and the guy-who-stays-behind flying into Caprica in the disabled Raptor, flying through all the debris, and you could make out the shapes of other battlestars floating around in pieces.

Re:Galactica (1)

icebones (707368) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693503)

Well, If you had actually watched the mini series and paid attention, you would have noticed them mentioning the destruction of other Battlestars at one time I think it was something like 1/4 of them were left, that might have been the fleet though, so don't falme on which it was. The Galactica was the only one that didn't have networked computers, that was a major point of the first half.

every other sci-fi story wraped into one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693335)

very surpirsed to see them use the same plot point in Farscape and this thing. A chip in his head, give me a break, it's been done before in much better ways by the same channel. I hope the new farscapes are not suddly blatly sexual as Gallatica was, Farscape was much more subtle lets hope they keep that edge in the new Farscape SciFi is producing.....

worth a mini series, i think not. worth 4 hours of tivo space, barely.

Very brief thoughts (5, Insightful)

LittleGuy (267282) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693353)

Think back to 1989, about the hue and cry of Tim Burton's "Batman" with Michael "Mr. Mom" Keaton. Think especially of the reaction from the fans that saw Batman with only the Adam West version.

Sound familiar?

I liked it. I liked it a lot. I plan on rewatching the miniseries, because I believe Moore and crew left a few hints and tidbits (not unlike Season One of Babylon 5") that would be extrapolated in the future.

Let's see how much of the original story they will gleam. Cane and the Pegasus. Terra. Even the "Count Iblis" plotline.

If they play their cards right, and they use "Roswell", "Buffy", and "Smallville" as templates, I could even see a Moore revision of "Galactica 1980".

Very good, peoples. Keep going.

they killed jolley and boomers a cylon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693355)

hey if you were a little fat kid jolley was your guy. I liked the female boomer but did they have to make her imperious leaders twin.

more (1)

Dimes (10216) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693367)

more please

If that is your real name (1)

RunzWithScissors (567704) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693385)

Ok rwxJava, marketdroid for Sci Fi Channel. Yes I think it was a pretty good movie, nay on mini-series, too short, not enough plot resolution. I would watch a series if Sci Fi was to contract a production company to produce one. Don't hurt anyone driving on 75/85 on your way home.


I enjoyed it (5, Insightful)

Coventry (3779) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693389)

Like many, I had fond memories of the original.

Like many, when I got a copy and started watching it for the first time since I was a child; I found the original to be very bubble-gummy and not as good as I remembered it. The same thing happened with Robotech.

I read several artciles and several points of view on the miniseries before it aired - and I decided to reserve judgement...

The 9/11 influence (which the producers say is there on purpose) was very present - it was much darker than I expected. The long leadup and character development before the actual attack got you attached and into the story so that the destruction didn't feel like a backdrop, but a very major event.

Production values were high, and the effects were great... and it was just enjoyable.

In my book, this blew sci-fi's attempt at Dune out of the water. I feel bad for everyone who wanted the original to continue - but I myself think I'd enjoy a series of This version of BG better than a continuation.

Hopefully, though, they will instead do a series of, uhm, mini-series of this - or the occasional movie. I say this because EJO and some of the other leads probably wouldn't go for a full series, And, because with a full series it would be too easy for it to become a new-planet-every-week serial as opposed to having the scope this mini series had.

Boxey?!? Why, dear god? WHY??? (3, Funny)

anactofgod (68756) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693390)

The mini-series is worthy of a show, with plenty of potential plot lines and hooks to follow and explore.

I only hope that the "Boxey thread" will end quickly, with that character's death at the hands of the Cylons in the first 5 minutes of the first show of the series.

Why do sci fi show creators feel compelled to include the cute kid character in their space operas? Won't they ever learn that we HATE these characters?


Didn't they learn from Jar-Jar?? (1)

boy_afraid (234774) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693523)

Boxey?!? Why, dear god? WHY???

Didn't anyone learn a lesson from Jar-Jar binks? Kill the cute ones off first!!!

.. what are these "commericals" you speak of? (2, Offtopic)

Pfhreakaz0id (82141) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693391)

OH, someone who doesn't have a Tivo or replayTV yet. I never watch commercials anymore (but then again, I never watch live tv. Even if I'm not recording, I'll pause it and go do something else for a half hour just to avoid watching commericals).

Holy... (3, Interesting)

JoeLinux (20366) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693395)

...Cow. Wonderful wonderful series. Usually I roll my eyes at the "tough girl" type of lead character, but Ms. thingy managed to convince me. She threw punches like she knew what she was doing, and was sensitive enough to be believable, yet tough and uncaring enough to root for.

The tension between Father and Son was believable. The only thing I didn't like was the new "president" ordering a military ship to turn around. That was SO not believable. Had I been in charge, she would have "accidently" found the way to the nearest airlock....

Awesome. (5, Insightful)

Chromodromic (668389) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693402)

Basically, Sci Fi took out all of the cheesy elements from Galactica and kept all of the story that was cool and worth keeping.

The space battles were great, with better 'physics' than in most sci-fi space stories, and the acting, except for Apollo, who always looked like he was sporting a suppository, was very solid. Olmos did a great job of realizing Adama.

There was only one problem: Tricia Helfer as Six. Uuhhhmmm. If she were a Cylon, well, I'd want to be conquered. Hard.

Other than that, the only problem I had were with the different "models" of Cylons. I'd assumed that by different models the show was alluding to different configurations meant for different purposes. I hadn't realized that same models meant identical appearance. That was goofy. And why only twelve? The Cylons can travel faster than light, launch completely covert attacks on an advanced civilization, but they can only think of twelve different models for themselves?

But all right. I enjoyed the series so much that I can forgive that and look past it, hope they figure it out.

Of worthy mention also was Mary McDonnell's performance as the 43rd-in-line for succession to the presidency. She gave a wonderfully restrained, but nicely authoritative performance that balanced out Adama's hyper-masculine, scarred-up face. Their final negotiation, and her lines during that meeting, were great writing.

Support this show! Support quality scifi! Keep it on the air or all we'll have to look forward to on TV is reruns of Twilight Zone and more of Trish & Ryan's fucking wedding, or whatever their freakin' names are.

Surprisingly Good (1)

anzha (138288) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693404)

I found it to be pretty good. Much better than I expected. After all, I've been ratehr down about what they've been doing to Stargate SG-1 as late (*cough*lack of consequences *cough*), but this really surprised me. Big time.

There are also a lot of 'easter eggs' for SF fans too. Whether it be for those that are Knight Sabre fans or Firefly as two just off the top of my head.

It's also a lot more serious than the first series. This is about the genocide of humanity and it shows. The show benefited from it too.

A series? I'd say it's worth it. So long as they can keep up the writing, kep it consistant, and production values must stay high, then I'm there.

"Saved by the Bell: The Space Years" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693415)

Watched it and I'll give it another week before it's de-Tivo'd. The main problem is the cliched dialog and characters. Generic cast of young hot shot space pilots that we've seen dozens of times before ... yada yada

Seems like every Sci-Fi movie and TV show since the early 90's follows the same "Starship Troopers" formula.

Storage Tubes (2, Funny)

Bob Munck (238707) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693418)

Haven't seen it yet -- both shows are sitting on my TiVo HD -- but if it doesn't have those classy Tektronix storage tube displays, it's a horrible waste and an insult to the entire Ponderosa and the A Team. You know, those green displays where you can actually see the beam writing the picture like an electronic Etch-a-Sketch?

We actually built a simulation of an Etch-a-Sketch using an ARDS storage tube display. That's what passed for advanced graphics at Brown in 1967.

Cylon Motivation???? (2, Insightful)

RobertAG (176761) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693420)

It was a decent plot and the characters were interesting (for what it was), but I've been wondering about the motivation of the Cylons coming back after so many years.

To me, it just seemed like they reappeared. Was this fully explained or was I just missing something?

Re:Cylon Motivation???? (5, Interesting)

Visceral Monkey (583103) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693483)

It was hinted at. I think what it boils down to is that they got religion. I'm serious. 6 makes refers to her "God" early on and the other Cylon they found in the arms depot goes on to talk about what if God had stopped giving souls to humans and started giving them to other more worthy creatures. An excellent direction if you ask me, it allows all sorts of bizzare and seemingly illrational behavior for a group of robots.

Great Job considering (1)

DarknessFallen (719640) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693446)

In my opinion, the New Battlestar Galactice lived up to exactly what it stated, a NEW version of it, all the great stories of the past are just personal version recreations of the original, even the bible, they are all told through the eyes and mind of the storyteller.
As far as the FTL, believable as it told us NOTHING as far as the physics behind it so you cant debunk what ya dont know.
As far as the sound in space, yeah, a pet peeve with me but ya know what, it was lightly done just to give a hint of motion via our ears rather than just our eyes because I thought the ships looked like they were crawling through space by sight, but then, without reference we are accustom to (trees passing, mountains looming higher, day to night to day) there is no reference for the actual speed.
Starbuck as a female, interesting twist, hot as hell too... Boomer as a female as well, another cute twist and she was pretty eye candy as well. As far as the 12 models of cylons and the nympho-bot on earth, just remember, she is open to learning and experiencing as no better way to implant a chip (or god knows what else) in a human but when they are so preoccupied with thier jollies banging amok in some hotty (glowing spinal thing WTF was up with that the built in orgasmitron??)
Apollo was annoing in my thought, but got better toward the end of part 2 when he stopped be the "its all about my feelings" whiner. the drunkard XO with a confidence problem, overused but effective in this. Adama and the president, good matching, they are gonna hate to be banging uglies through the enevitable series to follow LOL

I liked it, I hope for a weekly series so I dont have to wait for 1 or 2 installments a year to find out what happens next, much like stagate, farscape and firefly (bring it back josh!!)

well, my takes and views on it ..

I hope so... (2, Insightful)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693448)

I'm no fanboy -- I watch the original series on SciFi mainly for its "so cringingly bad its good" stories and acting -- and pretty much went into the miniseries unbiased to the point I really didn't care, and damned if I didn't get sucked in pretty quickly.

Was *very* impressed by the depth / complexity of the story and the characters. The humanity of the future wasn't' portrayed as some idyllic civilization where everyone got along and did the right thing. Moral dilemmas were presented and there was no miraculous resolution where everything turned out alright (the girl in the "greenhouse" ship comes to mind. When she first appeared I groaned "Not a cute orphan girl who will soften the heart of the tough president... how cliched." So much for that!). The acting was very good -- very little scenery was chewed -- and the melodrama was kept to a minimum. My only complaint was the "Mary Shelly's Battlestar Galactica" angle about the cylons being of human origin, but that's a minor quibble.

It was so good, in fact, I mistakenly thought it was a four part miniseries, not a four hour miniseries, and was damn disappointed last night when I figured out it was over. ... oh yeah, and Starbuck was hot.

"Frack" (1)

Mad Bad Rabbit (539142) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693449)

SF writers always look their most foolish when
trying to make up future slang or cuss-words.

OK, the producer doesn't wanna use the real f-word.
Understandable. That's what [bleep] is for. Or else
'fricking' (although Austin Powers has pretty much
spoiled that euphemism...).

(Remember, don't say f**k, just say ... M'kay!)

Re:"Frack" (3, Informative)

Samurai Cat! (15315) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693498)

"Frack" was the f-word replacement in the original series, 25 yrs ago. Just another small carryover from days gone by. :P

Commercials (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693450)

Commercials have gotten bad as of late on the Sci-Fi Channel. The commercial breaks seem to come now every 5 to 10 minutes and last almost five minutes. And this is not just for their exclusives either. Even the Sci-Fi flicks with the poor effects (see that starship dangling from a wire) break for commercials with the same frequency.

Writer is writer/exec-producer of Carnivale (1)

samdu (114873) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693477)

I watched, cautiously optimisticly, and was pleasantly surprised. I had few problems with the show and it was well written. Not until I went to the Web site for the show did I find out that the show's writer is the Executive producer and writer for HBO's Carnivale, a show that has completely sucked me in (though now I have to wait until Jan 2005 for the next season). I say bring on a new Galactica series. Kudos to all involved.


boy_afraid (234774) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693487)

WTF?! Get me some bullets??? Why not say ammo, rounds, arsenal? If they have FTL, cyborgs, and commercial space flight then why couldn't they have developmed laser guns for their ships? This is sci-fi, dammit, and I want my lasers, not monkeys throwing rocks!!

Kicked ass!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#7693495)

I loved it. It was better than "Cats". I'm going to watch it again, and again.

A good re-write (2, Interesting)

C. Alan (623148) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693497)

I watched the orginal as a kid, I remember thinking it was ok. I knew some of the backstory coming into the new BG, but if you had never seen the old BG, at least you wern't lost.

As with any Sci-Fi series, this one will live or die of it's writing. I got the feeling that the writers of the mini-series held no punches when it came to the brutality of the cylon attack on the colonies, and the desisions that had to be made by the humans. Two scenes that realy stood out in my mind were the drawing of numbers for the refugees to get on the scout ship, and the radio chatter when the president ordered the FTL ships to jump immediatly after the cylons discovered the civilian fleet.

Should this be a series? If you can get the same actors to commit to the series, and most importantly, some good writers, then Yes, I think you could make a series out of it.

The Mini-series set the bar pretty high. I will be interested in seeing if they do pick it up, and if they can keep the same quality as they presented in the mini series.

In the end... (1)

McDoobie (409584) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693499)

I found myself rooting for the Cylons, wondering when they'd get around to finally finishing off those whiney little bitches onboard Galactica.

Katie Sachoff comes off as a hermaphrodite with PMS.

But, naturally the Marxist undercurrents to this new series will be happy happy joy joy to the under 22s who wouldn't be able to comprehend the plot line otherwise.
"...So say we all!"


Starbuck was lame, OMG not the Boxie kid! (2, Interesting)

axmonkey (533393) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693501)

Starbuck while looking good, was totally unbelievable playing a "tough guy" part. I mean really who's ass is she going to kick with those stick thin arms. She looked totally out of place at the card table with that cigar. Her acting was poor at best. I can't believe they put that kid in with the bowl hair-cut. Boxie or whatever his name was, and they let the nice little girl all go to atoms. Bleh... Other than that I thought it was ok, except for all the really lame sex scenes.

Military realism (1)

usmcpanzer (538447) | more than 11 years ago | (#7693507)

I liked it. The nights after I visited a web board frequented by both sci fi and militart 'geeks', and one thing we were impressed with was a beliveable future military. The announcments over the comm system, the rank strcuture, down to the way they talked and joked around. I hope they contune on to a series.
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