NETI@Home to Examine Net's Strengths 145
UnresolvedExternal writes "Wired is reporting about Georgia Tech researchers who want thousands of computer users to install their program to help them monitor traffic patterns on the Internet. They plan to use the data to strengthen the Net and unblock bottlenecks."
its stengths are easy! (Score:5, Funny)
2. uninformed babbling by consipracy freaks
3. iditiotic blogs noobody cares about
Re:its stengths are easy! (Score:1)
Mac OS X Support (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Mac OS X Support (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Mac OS X Support (Score:1)
Re:Mac OS X Support (Score:3, Informative)
Too late, I'm booked! (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Too late, I'm booked! (Score:2, Funny)
Anyway, I've got to find a way to spoof results so that the lines closest to me appear to be the bottleneck. That way, there will be more money spent on improving my connection, right?
Recent Findings (Score:5, Funny)
I'm in! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I'm in! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm in! (Score:1, Funny)
Heck, If it comes with a cool screensaver and can help find TERREStrial intelligence, I'm in. ;)
But I'm Cynical... (Score:2)
Re:But I'm Cynical... (Score:3, Informative)
Which is exactly why the phrase RTFA was created.
This project monitors your network performance, not constantly connecting to a single server. This raises privacy issues, but they're gladly doing something about that. There are options as to what you let it send, and the files it sends are stored locally so you can view them.
And don't mind these ads... (Score:5, Funny)
Reduce Load (Score:5, Interesting)
Rus
Re:Reduce Load (Score:5, Interesting)
RFC 3514 (Score:1)
Re:Reduce Load (Score:1)
Re:Reduce Load (Score:2)
Re:Reduce Load (Score:1)
Re:Reduce Load (Score:2)
Steven V.
Re:Reduce Load (Score:2)
Looking at my mailbox, average size of spam: 10k
Average size of ham: 32k
Most estimates put SMTP traffic at about 1% of all TCP packets on the internet, and TCP is about 90% of all traffic.
So, 50% * (10/32) * 1% * 90% comes to about one tenth of one percent of total traffic being spam. It's annoying as all heck, but it has nothing to do with any kind of congestion or significant use of network resources.
Re : NETI@Home to Examine Net's Strengths (Score:2)
I don't think so... (Score:3, Interesting)
How is this more worthwhile than that?
Re:I don't think so... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I don't think so... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I don't think so... (Score:5, Insightful)
For example, a concerted effort to improve the quality of the net infrastructure could lead to more efficient distributed computing platforms, which means that eventually someone would write an improved folding program.
It's akin to an old computer science problem
So, some people do the work now, and others work to improve the systems we use to do work. Seems worthwhile to me.
Personally, I run chessbrain [chessbrain.net].
Re:I don't think so... (Score:1)
and the resources (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:and the resources (Score:4, Informative)
Do something much more worthwhile. FOLD!!! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Do something much more worthwhile. FOLD!!! (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Do something much more worthwhile. FOLD!!! (Score:1)
But anyway, yeah this just seems like an ethical sniffer, not really something CPU-intensive. Someone running a d.net client might want to verify that, since that's
Re:Do something much more worthwhile. FOLD!!! (Score:1)
Re:Do something much more worthwhile. FOLD!!! (Score:2, Funny)
Cool! Fewer spare cycles on my computer! (Score:3, Funny)
Don't just give those cycles away! Sell them! [popularpower.com]
Popular Power? (Score:2)
Re:Popular Power? (Score:1)
Provide a bazillion cycles, you can run tetris for 5 minutes.
Re:Cool! Fewer spare cycles on my computer! (Score:2)
Why? The CPU cycles I devote to Folding@home are donations to a project that will benefit all of humanity. Charging for it would take resources away from the project and negate the whole point of donating.
SETI or NETI? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:SETI or NETI? (Score:2, Funny)
-m
Re:SETI or NETI? (Score:2, Funny)
both (Score:1)
A SETI and NETI@home clients do not interfere in each other, as they do not consume the same resources.
SETI just wants to eat all your idle CPU time, and little bandwith exchanging data and result.
NETI is light on resources (at least they say so), should consume minimal (near 0%) cpu and very small bandwidth to report the data collected.
Re:SETI or NETI? (Score:2)
Unfortunate Naming Choice (Score:2, Funny)
NETI delves the inner resources of your nose. [scand-yoga.org]
Re:Unfortunate Naming Choice (Score:2)
This just in from the future... (Score:5, Funny)
NETI@Home results (Score:5, Funny)
49.7% 0
49.7% 1
00.6% Other
Re:NETI@Home results (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, I would bet that the 0's and 1's are not evenly distributed, considering how much of packet contents are unencrypted text, and that the protocol headers are bound to have bias, as are the assigned IP addresses that are most heavily used, etc...
Re:NETI@Home results (Score:4, Informative)
IEEE 1164 std_logic
'U' Uninitialized
'X' Unknown
'0' Logic 0 (driven)
'1' Logic 1 (driven)
'Z' High impedance
'W' Weak 1
'L' Logic 0 (read)
'H' Logic 1 (read)
'-' Don't-care
I Have an exam involving this stuff (VHDL) Tomorrow... so I thought some of you might want to know... (But i'm sure most of you just '-' )
Uh oh (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:NETI@Home results (Score:1)
Only if there's robots out there having nightmares...
"1's and 0's everywhere... and I thought I saw a 2!" -- Bender, "The Honking" (Futurama season 3).
Jenna Jameson creates WETI (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Jenna Jameson creates WETI (Score:2)
I think many plastic surgeons have prior art for that.
spyware. (Score:2)
Tin Foil Hat Time (Score:3, Interesting)
Want a good way to spot all those Heavy Bandwidth, Warzer's and P2P Traders? Also how long before the Data gets Mined for some purpose, as well. No matter how, well intentioned, and no matter what they say, about their privacy, settings, it can be Co-opted, if someone wants the information.
Re:Tin Foil Hat Time (Score:2)
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Faster? (Score:5, Funny)
So, they want to make it faster by having people send out and receive more data.
Sounds like a perfect worm candidate (Score:2, Insightful)
low, medium, high settings (Score:4, Insightful)
The high security setting is the one I predicteth gets used the most by people who run it, for obvious reasons.
hmm, probable bottlenecks. Whenever the latest mega worm hits you'll see which routers choke easiest. Massive constant traffic from owned and zombiefied end users home machines, that should be fairly random and even. Pockets/areas where file sharing is still big. And places with a derth of fat pipes obviously.
Interesting project, but I will have to think on it some if I want to run it. Also, maybe I am not seeing it, but it doesn't seem to have any info on how much of your machine it uses, I see the operating system requirements,installation, etc, but not the resources required. Anyone see that? My apologies if I missed it.
Re:low, medium, high settings (Score:2)
"Strengthen the Net"? (Score:5, Insightful)
Even simply "increasing capacity" without addressing specific bottlenecks is often a waste of time. Look at the heavy investment in fibre-optics, most of which lies unused as new technology squeezes more and more out of existing cables.
Call me a cynic, but such projects sound more like fun for research grants than useful for real life.
My humble opinion of the Net is that it is a largely a self-steering phenomena that feeds on change and technology cycles. Since you can't predict change, and you can't prevent the technology cycles that cause it, it's meaningless to hope to plan this.
Re:"Strengthen the Net"? (Score:3, Insightful)
Shameless school plug (Score:2, Offtopic)
School of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Georgia Tech [gatech.edu]
George Riley's Profile [gatech.edu]
NETI@Home's official home page [gatech.edu]
What? No Details? (Score:2)
I read the Wired article, looking for more details on how NETI@Home actually worked, or at least how much overhead it would add to the average computer and/or nrtwork connection. Of course there was no technical information at all. It's starting to look like a lot of fluff.
Just what we need... (Score:1)
NEWSFLASH! (Score:3, Informative)
it's not like you're being asked to install a random binary and run it 24/7....
Re:NEWSFLASH! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:NEWSFLASH! (Score:1)
The only problem is that the general public will not read the source. They will just remain paranoid, because many cannot understand the source.
i believe that ignorance and the lack of motivation to learn is a very poor excuse...however some of us can understand the source right now, and the say-so of the learned will be what those who don't read the source have to go on. i myself don't plan on doing this - i have far too many other pressing things.
Another potential probl
Re:NEWSFLASH! (Score:2)
Re:NEWSFLASH! (Score:2)
Re:NEWSFLASH! #2 (Score:1)
cragen
Neti vs Nest (Score:1)
Data gathering (Score:1)
Strictly defined, spyware is computer software that gathers information about a computer user without the user's knowledge or informed consent, and then transmits this information to an organisation that expects to be able to profit from it in some way.
Ok, this is not spyware - strictly defined and mentioned on the NETI@home webpage in every second sentence.
There are a lot more usefull distributed computing projects out there (folding@home for example), and why is everyone starting such
Of Course its About Data gathering (Score:3, Interesting)
Imagine if instead they were offering a little box that you plug into your wall and then into the internet. It will measure just about everything, from voltage fluctuation to how many watt hours you dr
Re:Data gathering (Score:2)
Ok, this is not spyware - strictly defined and mentioned on the NETI@home webpage in every second sentence.
Strictly defined by a user of Wikipedia. I could, of course, redefine it to contradict your point if I wanted to.
Not likely (Score:2)
YETI@HOME (Score:4, Funny)
ahh... here it is:
www.yeti@home.com [yetiathome.com]
Re:YETI@HOME (Score:2, Informative)
For a good time call http://www.phobe.com/yeti/ [phobe.com]
Sounds like fun! (Score:2)
er... tinhat guys... (Score:2)
Not In My BackYard (Score:1, Insightful)
Maybe a better name for their project (Score:2)
Prune Juice will set you free!
Rating ISPs (I'll believe when I see it) (Score:2)
Says I, "I imagine it would be quite interesting to see how fast major ISPs block NETI."
I see a problem with this.... (Score:4, Informative)
That might make it just a bit useless, no?
Re:I see a problem with this.... (Score:2)
Might be of interest if the authors of NETI or similar projects are reading this.
Mac version probably coming... (Score:2, Informative)
On Apr 27, 2004, at 11:38 AM, George Riley wrote:
David, I've been inundated with MacOS requests! Yep, we'll take a look at it ASAP.
George F. Riley, Assistant Professor
The School of Electrical and Computer Engineering at Georgia Tech
On Tuesday, Apr 27, 2004, at 11:25 US/Eastern, David Bingham wrote:
Hola!
I am willing, interested and able l
This will never gain popularity (Score:3, Interesting)
Natgeo is out of date (Score:1)
When I checked up on Neti@home, the site said they use NatGeo for their location data. When I followed the link to NatGeo, I found a message at the top of the home page stating that the site had not been maintained for several years (emphisis thiers) and that the data might be wildly inaccurate. It seems that might undermine at least some of the goals of the project.
Firewalls (Score:1)
But I am behind a firewall. My computer will never see this type of traffic. The firewall does not pass it (heck, it does not pass
Hi, I'm Bill Gates, and I wrote... (Score:2, Interesting)
NETI@Home discovers (Score:2)
Vendor comScore already does something worse (Score:2)
"These members, representing a cross section of the Internet population, give comScore explicit permission to confidentially monitor their online activities in return for valuable benefits such as server-based virus protection, improved Internet performance, sweepstakes prizes, and the opportunity to help shape the future of the Internet.
comScore technology is downloaded to any browser in a matter of seconds and unobtrusively routes each participant's Internet connection
My own study (Score:2, Funny)
My hypothesis is that Yeti is really CowboyNeal.
Nice (Score:1)
NAME
neti - a network statistics gatherer
DESCRIPTION
neti is a network statistics gatherer, blah, blah, blah.
This is the next paragraph.
Re-assuring...
Folding@Home is for a better cause (Score:1)
The Hulkster [komar.org]
Here's an idea... (Score:2, Funny)
NETI@home (Score:3, Funny)