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Hosting Service Closes 3000 Blogs Without Notice

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the and-such-small-portions dept.

The Internet 617

marmoset writes "Citing the high costs of running the free service, performance concerns, and health problems, Dave Winer closed down the weblogs.com hosting service without any prior notice. As many as 3000 sites are now inacessible, and the users who want to transfer their data elsewhere have to ask (politely) for it to be exported. As might be expected, reactions range from understanding to enraged. Netcraft has a report, too."

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frat pr0t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437884)

la l al this is the frast pr00t

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437887)

first post!

Not a Troll (for once...) (5, Funny)

imadork (226897) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437894)

So, netcraft confirmed that *weblogs are dying?

Re:Not a Troll (for once...) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437942)

haha, damn you beat me to it, give this man some karma!

Is it just me? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438197)

I listened to the recording linked to by Doc Searls. Am I correct in assuming Dave Wiener is an unreliable Hebrew who has caught the gay flu?

Blogs (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437897)

I always thought blogs were blobs anyways.

TOS (5, Insightful)

BodyCount07 (260070) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437898)

The real question is whether or not this is allowed in the TOS. If it is, well than, that's how the cookie crumbles, users should have been making backups.

If it is not allowed by the TOS than users have a right to be outraged.

Re:TOS (3, Insightful)

saihung (19097) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437918)

Only in such a sick culture could the terms of a contract take precedence over common courtesy. It would've cost him so much to give people a couple of days to get their shit in order?

Re:TOS (4, Insightful)

EvanED (569694) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437978)

"It would've cost him so much to give people a couple of days to get their shit in order?"

Actually, maybe. I don't know his hosting situation, but if even a quarter of the people had gone to back up their posts, that's a significant amount of extra traffic. Notice would have probably been have to be given out at least a week in advance to avoid a massive rush.

Re:TOS (5, Insightful)

JPriest (547211) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438149)

Yes, but that cost would likely be offset when people read that only the free accounts were nuked. Non-free accounts were not nuked, so many of the free users probably would have been willing to pay to upgrade their service in order to keep it.

Re:TOS (5, Insightful)

TeraCo (410407) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437983)

Well, it's easy to talk about costs when they aren't YOUR costs to be paying, isn't it.

Re:TOS (1)

big tex (15917) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437987)

Or, maybe we do it that way because common anything, be it courtesy or sense, isn't that common.
3000 users is a little big to know each by name and have a personal relationship. Hell, I'd bet that most of these people didn't even know who Mr. Winer was.

Re:TOS (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438104)

Hell, I'd bet that most of these people didn't even know who Mr. Winer was.

If they did, they probably would have known better than to trust him.

Certainly no one in the Mac world is missing that self-absorbed drama queen. Good riddance. (No, you're right, Dave -- Apple doesn't need a new OS core and how dare Steve Jobs not run the company to your specifications?)

Re:TOS (2, Insightful)

big tex (15917) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437947)

If it is not allowed by the TOS than users have a right to be outraged.

No.

IANAL, but for any sort of agreement to be binding, there has to be some 'consideration'. What does the host get for hosting your blog? Nothing? Then the response - the only one that should be expected- is 'sucks to be you.'

Re:TOS (1)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438127)

Consideration does not have to be something received of value. It can be an agreement to do something that the contractor would not normally be bound to do. In this instance, the host agrees to provide hosting services and the user agrees to be bound by the TOS. Neither would normally be required to do either. That's mutuality of consideration and the contract shouldn't fail for lack of consideration.

Re:TOS (1)

Monty845 (739787) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438146)

In a case like this you could probably sight detrimental reliance... The contract if you could even call it that could be enforced based on the reasonable and detrimental belief that it existed... or atleast thats my undestanding.

Re:TOS (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438189)

I have a right to be however the fuck I feel like. I have a right to be outraged if I say I do. This is America.

Consider that certain open-source projects require you to license all your code to the project itself, in case it needs to change licenses, or in case it's selling a copy under a different license (reiserfs).

They are legally allowed to turn around and remove all credits to me and release all code under a proprietary license. But they don't. So users can't be outraged in a legal sense, but they sure can in an emotional one.

frost pist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437899)

this is really funny cause i beat you all.

Backups (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437902)

Why would you trust any hosting company to keep the only copy of your data, if it were all that important to you?

Re:Backups, Who needs em... (1)

Sovern (631825) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438110)

Why do most users fail to backup most of thier important data until it is to late? Is it the same mentality that has large numbers of Seattlites driving without insurance because they "won't get in a wreck"? What is it?

1. It is the expectation that things will always work because they always have.
Or
2. They lack the skills or facilities to actually make a backup of thier blogs and user base.
Or
3. The tried and true "it will never happen to me"

Re:Backups (2, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438200)

In this case, suppose I don't actually own my own computer?

In general, suppose I'm renting storage space? Suppose I've got terabytes of data that I won't need for very long, but I need somewhere to store it NOW? Obviously I can't afford backups, and I have to trust someone else with my data.

FP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437903)

FireFox .0 is fast!!

Re:FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437930)

I Failed, I suck, I couldn't even type correctly.


I will leave now.


Slashdot requires you to wait 2 minutes between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.

It's been 1 minute since you last successfully posted a comment

Backups? (1, Insightful)

Insomnia (11375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437904)

You mean all those who have these all-important weblogs don't have any backups of that data anywhere else?

Re:Backups? (2, Informative)

Cyb3rBull3ts (779853) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437951)

maybe they should search the google cache?

First post! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437905)

AC is as much an asshole as Dave is :-)

Newsflash... (5, Insightful)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437908)

When your data is on someone else's servers, and you don't have any of that data properly backed up, then you are completely at their mercy when it comes to being able to use it or losing it entirely. This is especially true when the service that they are supplying is being provided for free.

Re:Newsflash... (5, Interesting)

pongo000 (97357) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438015)

Now imagine this was SourceForge...

Re:Newsflash... (2, Informative)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438057)

I've got many a dead page from google cache it works wonders, well unless it's hosting service goes down again.

Re:Newsflash... (4, Insightful)

FrYGuY101 (770432) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438080)

As a MINOR participant in one SF project, I'll gladly point out that I keep a local copy of the source. If SF went tits-up (God forbid), I'd be quite saddened, but I wouldn't blame SF if I also lost my copy of the source. It'd be MY damn fault for not taking precautions.

Re:Newsflash... (4, Informative)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438139)

Especially since Sourceforge points out to anyone starting a new project, very clearly, that they are responsible for backing up all of their project's data.

Re:Newsflash... (1)

SillyNickName4me (760022) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438178)

> Especially since Sourceforge points out to anyone starting a new project, very clearly, that they are responsible for backing up all of their project's data.

Which is obviously good advise. You should do so with your data at home (who does that..) but even more so with data you host somewhere else.

When the hosting is free as well as seemed to be the case here, thats yet more reason to keep your own backups..

Re:Newsflash... (2, Informative)

Ztras (725011) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438166)

[People whining because their free beer was turned off] > Now imagine this was SourceForge... And that is what mirrors are for... http://mirror.optusnet.com.au/ http://ftp.heanet.ie/ etc, as Google will tell you. Plus, hopefully a good project manager does not trust a free service for a non-trivial project. Code backups anyone?

Umm... (4, Insightful)

dotslashconfig (784719) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437912)

So let me get this straight... He didn't know even 1 day in advance that rising costs and other technical/logistical difficulties were going to force him to shut down service? That seems rather ridiculous and is a huge oversight on his part. To not even warn people that he was having difficulties... it's mind boggling. I'm sure someone would have come to his aid, or at least tried to organize a fund to assist in maintaining service.

Honestly, though... to not see this coming even a few days in advance? That's very disappointing.

Re:Umm... (4, Insightful)

EvanED (569694) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437934)

If he was having problems already I'm not sure a mad rush of 3000 people trying to back up their data would have exactly helped...

Re:Umm... (4, Insightful)

dotslashconfig (784719) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437991)

What I mean is... if he'd given people a little more time to examine the situation - even a week would have been sufficient - people who liked his service might have tried to set up a fund-raising activity of some variety. I'm sure his users wouldn't have minded contributing a dollar or two in order to continue service.

People just needed a small amount of time to prepare, even if they wouldn't have the chance to back up their data.

In my experience, people tend to react more favorably towards disappointing situations if they have fair warning. People are a little more understanding if they have the chance to react to this news, as opposed to suddenly just seeing their information disappear.

That's why "trading curbs" were implemented on the New York Stock Exchange. People needed time to react to news that could potentially cost them money/time. It's a lot easier to deal with losses if you either see them coming, or are given a fair chance to recover from drastic swings. (A little off-topic, but I think this relates).

Re:Umm... (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438037)

The donation thing is a good idea... I hadn't thought of that.

Or not, it makes no technical sense. (1)

metalhed77 (250273) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438001)

If he'd given a month's notice it would be negligible. Only 3000 weblogs? That's it? Since they're mostly text I can't imagine each one being backed up with a wget -mirror having any significant effect on anything. One highly trafficked weblog probably generates as much traffic as a day as a whole backup of 3000 blogs, even with years of entries does. I mean it's almost all very textual HTML. I doubt it was bandwidth.

He should have been more polite.

Re:Umm... (4, Interesting)

rimu guy (665008) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438020)

He has 3000 people using the service. It would have taken them some time to sign up. He would have had ample info about the cost of running the service and providing support for it.

I can only deduce that Mr. Winer's personal circumstances have changed dramatically, and that is what is causing the problem.

And I agree with the grandfather post. There should have been warning about the service change. He should have let people know they had a week or a month to move things off the server. There would have been an increase in server load. But it would have been manageable.

---
Yep, we host blogs [rimuhosting.com]

Re:Umm... (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438082)

"I can only deduce that Mr. Winer's personal circumstances have changed dramatically, and that is what is causing the problem."

One thought I had was that maybe a DOS attack or something put him significantly over a bandwidth cap. This happened to another site I go to a few monhts ago; they lost several hundred dollars because they didn't have unlimited hosting and went well over their bandwidth cap.

Re:Umm... (3, Insightful)

SuperDuperMan (257229) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438065)

Ultimately the service was free. People who bitch about the quality of free service should ask themselves why anyone who offers them a free service should be obligated to provide them with a level of service they could expect from a pay service.

Re:Umm...got bandwidth cost? (2, Insightful)

itallushrt (148885) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438075)

Exactly. He wasn't going to alert 3000+ users to only have them suddenly spike his bandwidth cost for the month through the roof. Even with or without 95th percentile billing.

Re:Not any more then normal traffic really.. (5, Insightful)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438086)

Considering that the majority of the data is displayed on users' browsers, they could have shut down the sites but allowed the owners of the blogs to grab the data. It would probably have been less traffic in the few days before shutdown then normal traffic.

Re:Umm... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438054)

Well, let's suppose you're Dave Winer. Stay with me here.

You know that no matter what you do to close down the site, you will be flamed and people will hate you. This is true for anybody, not just Dave Winer. Imagine if slashdot closed up one day. I bet the non-paying slashdotters would complain the loudest.

And you know the traffic will go UP immediately.

You just don't want the hassle.

Also, remember you're Dave Winer and you have Dave Winer's.. let's say "unique" personality.

The only logical thing to do is close it up, wait a few days for the dust to settle, and then deal with the sycophants, leaving the rest to rot.

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438076)

Well, from everything I've seen and heard, Dave Winer is not about doing "what's best for the community". Instead, Dave Winer is all about Dave Winer.

I wonder why Dave didn't transfer ownership to someone else? I'm sure someone would have picked it up... and even paid Dave for it.

Sure, it wouldn't have made anyone happy, but it wouldn't have pissed anyone off either.

Opps (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437913)

Doh!!!

the lost sites (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437917)

bummer.

Wired article (3, Informative)

Tekmage (17375) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437919)

Wired has an article [wired.com] up as well, with a bit more detail.

Re:Wired article (-1, Troll)

Wire Tap (61370) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438025)

Yeah, that link totally doesn't work. Yet, the post it's in has a score of +5. Does this indicate that no one link-checks before they mod up for informative?

How lovely!

Re:Wired article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438063)

Uh...Ok, except that link does work, pefectly fine in fact. What are you on about?

Re:Wired article (5, Funny)

skaffen42 (579313) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438035)

From the Wired article: "I just have my fingers crossed that my girlfriend gets her blog back," said software programmer Tom Gortell. "She feels like someone just sucked out her brains. I don't get it, it's just an online journal, right? But she feels like her entire life has been stolen."

The guy works as a programmer and he never told her to make backups? And then he tells Wired that he doesn't get why she is upset. Somebody better e-mail him the number of a good florist.

But seriously, he should have told her to make backups. Free service. You get what you pay for. What more can you say?

Crystal Ball (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437926)

I can forsee quite a few people complaining about this in their weblogs.

Oh...wait...

Audio recordings (3, Insightful)

AirLace (86148) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437927)

The most interesting thing is that Winer announced the withdrawal of service through a poorly recorded audio file. Could it be that he's been struck down with RSI?

Whatever the case, I think he could have shut down the service gracefully, perhaps handing it over to a friend or a third party rather than abruptly pulling the plug. But at the end of the day, he's only damaged his own reputation -- it's not the end of the world for anyone.

What a Piece of Work (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437928)

Sour Grapes, Dave?

Let's hope he finally fades into obscurity, where he belongs.

And this is bad news? (3, Funny)

jm92956n (758515) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437929)

I just saw this over at Halley's place and went to Tom's blog and read Dave's post on Tom's private weblog. Tom is traveling back from Mexico, not sure if he's landed yet, but I doubt that the first thing on his mind is how hard Dave Winer wants his old Manilla users to blow him in this special "one-time" offer.

Good riddance! I don't understand how one could possibly read such crap.

I scratched my nose a little and then depressed the 'W' key, knowing full well the corresponding character would henceforth be displayed in its full glory!

Nono so sad (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437931)

Nono so sad. A bunch of useless trite writings of unimportant people lost to the ether.

Meh.

Newsflash (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437935)

Dave Winer is teh asshole!

He plans to crack everyone's Hotmail passwords, too.

ha (1)

2057 (600541) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437937)

I honestly laughed when I read the article summary. Anyone with me? "They only say its scenic when they seen it from a distant" - Platypus Complex(coldduckcomplex.com)

Ironic (5, Funny)

shadowmatter (734276) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437940)

Having your blogging service totally shut you out without notice finally seems like the perfect thing to blog about.

- sm

before the winer-hating starts... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437961)

I remember when Winer started the site. It was Userland released their blogging software a while back, before blogging was really popular. I thought it was mostly to show off the software and let people "get started". It was not meant to host high-traffic public sites.

Winer says that he will export the sites after July 1. I don't know why he insists "after July 1", or why he didn't say "I am closing them down in X days" but he's pretty stubborn sometimes.

So, I'm not really surprised. I personally wouldn't depend on a third party storing my site for free, without even a local backup.

Re:before the winer-hating starts... (4, Insightful)

Zibblsnrt (125875) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438050)

Winer says that he will export the sites after July 1.

Provided people ask in a specific, formulaic manner which betrays no unhappiness at the decision. Power trip? Uhhyep.

-PS

Re:before the winer-hating starts... (2, Insightful)

hdparm (575302) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438083)

There is also a link on Dave's home page - Doc Searls (one of the bloggers affected) provides a bit more info [weblogs.com] . If he understands, I am really at loss as to why /. readers who are not directly affected have to flame this guy.

Hmmm. (2, Interesting)

James A. S. Joyce (784805) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437965)

Seems more and more people are turning against blogs. :-(

Kinda reminds me of this Kuro5hin article [kuro5hin.org] .

3000 bloggers (1, Funny)

loid_void (740416) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437968)

...being found guilty, I sentence you to a public blogging.

could it be.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437972)

that the reason he didnt give any notice would be cause of the rush and heavy load of people going to backup their stuff? I mean thats like getting slashdotted.

Re:could it be.. no. (4, Insightful)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438170)

3,000 people is nothing compared to a Slashdot flood. The blogs are small. He could have easily shut it down to the general populace, and left it open only to the owners of the existing blogs. It wouldn't have been more traffic then normal.

Yes, it was free. No, you can't do anything about it. And yes, it was still and asshole thing to do.

You know what they say... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9437973)

Jesus saves and backs up nightly!

Re:You know what they say... (1)

Bnonn (553709) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438195)

Actually, that's a common theological fallacy. Jesus saves, but only Buddha makes incremental backups.

I feel a disturbance in the force. (5, Funny)

hayden (9724) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437981)

It's as though a couple of thousand babbling idiots were suddenly silenced.

Re:I feel a disturbance in the force. (0, Redundant)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438002)

Why, did kuro5hin.org close? :->

Re:I feel a disturbance in the force. (0, Redundant)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438010)

what there shutting dowm slashdot too..

looks like I'll be doing a bit more work then.

Disaster! (0, Redundant)

xsupergr0verx (758121) | more than 10 years ago | (#9437988)

If all those 15 year old girls have a tragedy happen to them like this, where are they going to put it? No blog!

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Trippy

Re:Disaster! (1)

loid_void (740416) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438087)

They all moved over to schoolscandals [schoolscandals2.net] .

Re:Disaster! (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438098)

There paedophiles disguised as 15 year old girls.

Jesus some people will wank over the slightest hint of white cotton panties and a gym slip....

Right back to the blogging.

Comment on your sig. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438154)

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

That depends, If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to see it, does it make a sight?

that's horrible (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438019)

... not that it's closing, but that it's so sudden... he should have known if this was coming and been forthright about it, instead of pulling the roberto duran "no mas"

blah

e.

Backups (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438026)

Never EVER trust some one else to do your backups.

To the poor idiots who have lost "4 years of data" -- you should have realized this was a very real posability. Even if it was due to hardware failure....Sadly, this was due to the expense of running a web site.

Not just *any* blog host (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438029)


Not just any Blog Hosting Service.

Dave Winer's blog hosting service.

Coool!

hello (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438053)

AC here...

Is it just me or anyone who "blogs" deserve to be beaten? What about those people who read other people's "blogs"? I think they should bet the blogger then each other. That's the plan to get this infestation off the net.

Thank you for your support

hatelife.org (3, Interesting)

Zugok (17194) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438055)

This happened to hatelife.org a few weeks ago as well, and there were a lot of people hating life a lot more than they ordinariuly would have been to. Basically Steve, the maintainer said his time with hatelife was done. People pissed and moaned about his canning hatelife and before I knew it, hatelife was taken off.

I guess this is just another example.. (1)

Kwil (53679) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438058)

..of the lesson: You get what you pay for.

Too bad it applies to Television Programming as well.

Sometimes you get what you paid for... (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438062)

In this case since it's a free service no one should have any expectations of anything. Why did he take it down so quickly? Maybe because he didn't want to be tempted to keep it going, didn't want to listen to whining people, whatever. It's his damn website, his bandwidth, etc.

The audio recording says he got backed into a corner moving sites onto a new server, and he didn't want to spend any more time on the project. Welcome to free services.

Thankfully not LiveJournal (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438066)

At least LiveJournal didn't shut down without notice. Otherwise we'd all be up tonight digging mass graves for disfranchised teenagers all over the world.

It was a free service (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438072)

The users got what they paid for.

Pay attention (1)

Trigulus (781481) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438090)

RTFA seems silly for this article so heres a pre-emptive LTTFA! I had no idea this guy was such a stoner!

The bastards should at least refund them. (0, Redundant)

yuri benjamin (222127) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438109)

Bastards! I'd want my money back! - oh wait - it was a free service.

HOW DOES THIS BASH MICRO$LOTH OR WORSHIP APPLE? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438111)

in other words, WHO CARES?

understanding (2, Funny)

sewagemaster (466124) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438114)

As might be expected, reactions range from understanding to enraged.

and we shall show our "understanding" by having their site posted and slashdotting their site...

Hmm... (2, Insightful)

Slipped_Disk (532132) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438118)

And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why I host MY little blog-like thing on MY OWN site, using MY OWN crappy software. That way I KNOW backups are getting done, and I KNOW when the machine will be down, and if something goes wrong I can fix it MY OWN DAMN SELF.

Sorry if I seem a little callous, but really how hard is it to write a few hundred lines of PHP for a simple online journal with comments? NOT VERY! And it runs on the same machine I use for all my other stuff (DNS, Mail, CVS) so it's not like I'm spending untold thousands extra each month, it really helps make the cost-benefit ratio of my server more tolerable.

Think about it.

Re:Hmm... (4, Informative)

metamatic (202216) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438194)

Who needs a couple of hundred lines of anything, let alone PHP?

Just download blosxom. 100 lines of code. Works with any ISP, even if you don't have CGI.

DAMMIT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438121)

my blog is gone

now how am i expected to hate jews and muslims.

thats right, i hate them both.

now what?

Did a blog kill your mom or something? (5, Insightful)

katsushiro (513378) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438130)

Honestly, the amount of snarky comments along the lines of 'Oh, blogs suck anyway, who cares.', and 'It's all idiotic blabbing anyway.' are getting on my nerves. Really, no one thinks you're one of the cool kids now just because you think blogs are passe. Stop trying to be a post-ironic hipster type who's oh-so-tired of it all. Posting on Slashdot won't get you laid. Neither will having a blog, of course, but that's my point.

I don't understand the level of hostility against blogs. No one's putting a gun to your head and making you read them. I actually support efforts by Google and other search engines to separate blog results from regular webpage results. Sometimes I don't want to have my search results skewed by blogs, and sometimes I really want to know how the 'blogosphere' feels about a particular issue. But while that happens, just ignore them. If you hate them so much, don't read them. But, really, infantile attacks don't make you superior in any way to the bloggers.

I know most blogs are, indeed, just self-centered rambling, or 15 year old girls talking about their latest dream with N'Sync and a pony, but on the other hand, they're valid outlets for a lot of people to just vent, express themselves, and give their opinions on issues. If you don't want to hear those opinions, then just don't visit their blogs. It's that simple.

And yes, I do have a blog of my own, no, I'm not giving out the address here, since it's basically just a self-centered little website that's read by me and maybe 2 friends, and that's fine by me.

Re:Did a blog kill your mom or something? (1)

xsupergr0verx (758121) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438201)

Exactly. I find it's fun at the end of the day to write down what you did, it adds closure and inspires you to do more the next day. Because "I ate Apple Jacks in my boxers, read Slashdot, and built a wall out of pudding cups" is a bit underwhelming, you feel like you have to do something more to justify your existance.

Plus, it is a great repository to tell a story to your friends, the kind like "a funny thing happened on the way to work today" that you don't want to repeat 12 times, just have your pals read them.

gDoat (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438137)

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So, is this the death knell of blogging? (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438151)

Is this mass outage going to make people re-examine the investment of time and energy that they put into their blogs; or will they all simply move to livejournal?

Choice quotes from the wired article (4, Insightful)

beforewisdom (729725) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438152)

From: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,63856,00. htm
In an audio message posted late Monday explaining his reasons for the shutdown, Winer cited the financial costs of hosting the sites, technical difficulties in moving the blogs to a new server, stress and personal health issues as the reasons for the sudden shutdown.

Winer, who has offered free hosting to bloggers for the past four years, has promised to make exportable copies of blog contents available to the blogs' owners at their request. He says it will take at least two weeks to provide copies of the blogs' contents.

"I just did the best I could," said Winer, in his audio message. "This is not a company here ... this is a person. To expect company-type service ... that's just not going to happen."

The first reaction on reading the news is to assume the guy was being a dick in not giving notice when he saw this coming.

Reading the quotes from the article it may not be that cut and dried.

A single person doesn't donate his work to running a service for 4 years then just drop people for the hell of it.

The quotes above sound like he had other intense stuff going on in his life ......things with a higher priority....that forced him to put off dealing with this in a better manner.

Maybe people wouldn't be angry at him if he mentioned the details of these extenuating circumstances, but then again why should he publish the personal details of his life? I'm sure anyone here can imagine several situations to make a hobby project you run the last thing on your list of priorities: a significant death, loss of a job, being forced to move, 1 or more of other things called "life" etc.

BTW, I only heard the term "blog" within the last 2 years, yet one of the quotes from the article said this guy ran weblog for 4 years.

Is the term "blog" newer then this guy's service?

I used to "blog" before the term and the software. I just updated a personal website I had rather frequently.

Steve

GNAA Claims Responsibility for Killing 3000 Blog (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9438169)

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Another 'free end' (1)

orangeguru (411012) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438181)

Well - we see the collaps of another unsolid business idea of another 'free' service - plus the blunder of another blogging provider (remember the whole SixApart - Movabletype 3 anger last month?)

Health problems... (3, Informative)

ReptileQc (679542) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438192)

If you read the Netcraft article, you would have seen that he had problems other than just technical problems. He seems to have health problems too. Maybe that's the real reason why he needed to shut it down. Maybe someone nice with a few gigs to spare would make a nice offer to host the whole thing?

To all saying users should backup their blogs... (5, Insightful)

tlambert (566799) | more than 10 years ago | (#9438193)

To all saying users should backup their blogs...

Exactly how are they supposed to do this?

A fundamental weakness in the blog paradigm is that there is CGI software between you and your raw data, in order to impose a style on it. This is particularly true of third party hosting, which provides cookie-cuter blogs through common software, where the only thing that differes from user to user is a few settings and their URL.

Backups usually only make sense if (1) you can get at the raw, preformatted data, and (2) that getting at that data will do you any good -- e.g. you will be able to externalize it the same way somewhere else.

At this point, blog-hosting service providers really don't have standards for their variable data, so even if you had a backup, it really wouldn't get your blog back up on the net, without a lot of work.

-- Terry
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