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Defending The Skies Against Congress And The Elderly

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the turning-the-corner dept.

Security 1230

theodp writes "After watching a burly airport screener search her lymphoma-stricken father, forcing the frail and faltering 78-year-old to hand over his oxygen meter, stand at attention with arms spread for a wand search, take off the Velcro strap shoes that he'd struggled to put on, and strain to keep his balance as his belt was tugged repeatedly, a Newsweek columnist wonders: have we lost our common sense when it comes to passenger screening?" An anonymous reader writes "CNN reported that Kennedy wasn't alone in being listed in the airport watch list as reported in a Slashdot article. Rep. John Lewis, D - Georgia, a nine-term congressman, has been stopped many times because his name appeared on an airline watch list as told to Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on border security. He contacted the Department of Transportation, the Department of Homeland Security and executives at various airlines in an effort to get his name off the list, but failed. Instead, he received a letter from the TSA indicating he has cleared an identity check with the agency even though he might still be subject to extra security checks."

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GNAA Mops up Aimgirl Survivors OMFG HY (-1, Offtopic)

GNAA Goat-See (775677) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040077)

GNAA Mops up Aimgirl Survivors
GNAA Mops up Aimgirl [aimgirl.com] Survivors.
AP Wire News, August 3, 2004

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Gnaa Announces port of /code to ASP.Net (-1, Troll)

relex (807030) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040081)

GNAA Announces Project to Port Slashcode to ASP.NET
GNAA Announces Project to Port Slashcode to ASP.NET

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Re:Gnaa Announces port of /code to ASP.Net (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040119)

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There's a Fist (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040082)

in my post.

Security? (5, Funny)

MasterSLATE (638125) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040084)

Airport security has gotten worse and worse. What next, peopel without arms and legs cant get on planes? Oh wait, that already happened.

Re:Security? (5, Informative)

MasterSLATE (638125) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040106)

Here's a link

linky link [yahoo.com]

Re:Security? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040147)

This sounds more like political dirty tricks. Nixon was famous for it. A creepier version of Nixon may be behind these.

Re:Security? (5, Insightful)

TPS Report (632684) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040228)

If the US Government can't even decide to clear their own Senators for air travel, I sympathize with anyone who has anything negative to say about the government. "I realise that you're a senator, privvy to confidential information, on the board of various committees, but I'm just not sure if I can trust you to get on an airplane."

This is due to intentional malice, disorganization, stupidity, or any combination of the above. You'd think, though, at the very least - they'd remember to clear at least some of their more influential employees. I guess not.

Then again, it's all too often that those in power selectively choose which laws they are subject to, or get special treatment -- so it's refreshing to see some of them inconvenienced by the same laws they thought were good enough to create.

Re:Security? (5, Insightful)

morcego (260031) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040260)

I have to wonder if this is not a more important victory for the terrorists than 9/11 itself.
Isn't that what they always dreamed of, making american lives a real pain ? Destroying the "American Way of Life" and all that ? Making american citizens misable ?

I have to say that they were very successful. With a lot of help from USA government.

hmm... (2, Interesting)

ArmenTanzarian (210418) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040086)

Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, and John Lewis... any republicans on this list?

Re:hmm... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040111)

That is because terrorists like to take the names of well known democrats, after all they wish more of them were in power.

Re:hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040170)

The parent is no more flamebait than the grandparent.

Re:hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040230)

...except for the fact that the grandparent had some basis in reality. It's a fact that we have a Republican junta in power that has shown its willingness to abuse its privileges in order to squelch opposition.

As for how having a Democrat in office is beneficial to terrorists, anyone's guess is as good as mine. Last I heard, Islamic terrorism recruiting was up thanks to the hideously bad PR generated by Bush's insane war in Iraq. But then, maybe Bush is counting on that reaction:

Therefore, a wise prince will seek means by which his subjects will always, and in every possible condition of things, have need of his government, and then they will always be faithful to him.

-Niccolo Machiavelli, "The Prince"

Re:hmm... (0, Troll)

bri_n33 (665143) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040188)

OMG it's a conspiracy!!!! It's another BushCheneyNeoConFascistMonarchyForOilHaliburton scandal to destroy the opposition and kill baby pandas!

How can they do this if they can't even search more than 2 people of any given race before the planes are boarded? (Don't you love political correctness?)

Re:hmm... (2)

mantera (685223) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040253)

"OMG it's a conspiracy!!!! It's another BushCheneyNeoConFascistMonarchyForOilHaliburton scandal to destroy the opposition and kill baby pandas!

Mod him down please. This is the stupidest thing I read. Yes, I do believe the list targets democrats.

Re:hmm... (1)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040192)

Maybe some of the elderly, assuming they forgot to vote.

Re:hmm... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040236)

I think they were afraid that Kennedy was going to get drunk again and fly the plane into Chappaquiddick...

Come Fly With Me! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040087)

Blah.

Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040091)

Funny... not a one republican has been banned from flying yet... conspiracy, I wonder..

Re:Sigh (0, Flamebait)

EvilSS (557649) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040117)

Man, don't democrats have a sense of humor anymore?

Re:Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040149)

When the Republicans stop behaving the way they do, then we might get our sense of humor back.

Re:Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040164)

blah blah blah, evil republicans.

Let that be a lesson to you all (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040092)

If you are a terrorist, it will not help your case to use the names of political figures as your aliases thinking that nobody would stop a Mr. Kennedy on his way to blow up JFK airport....

I don't understand the focus on airline security (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040095)

Terrorists would be stupid to try to hijack planes again. It was a tactic they could use once, and they did, and now the rules have changed. It used to be the case if someone hijacked a plane, they wanted to make a statement or go somewhere, and you'd probably live if you cooperated. Now we know they want to use them to hit other things and kill people. If someone hijacks your plane now, you're going to fight back. You're dead if you don't, but you have a chance of surviving if you do.

That's not to say we shouldn't screen for bombs and such. We should. They could still try to bomb planes. But I'd like to see more screening of pilots, and more attention paid to other possible forms of attack.

Re:I don't understand the focus on airline securit (1)

rhiorg (213355) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040153)

That's just what they'd expect us to expect them to expect us to do!

Re:I don't understand the focus on airline securit (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040200)

Heheh, as far as USA is concerned, the terrorists don't need to do anything right now. The Americans are doing a great job of terrorizing themselves, living in constant fear of being bombed and hijacked, putting each other on lists, watching and tracking each other... Just look, there is hardly a single article on /. where someone doesn't bring up the terrorists. All this fear and terror for free, whee!

Fighting the last war. (4, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040213)

I can see fixing the security on planes (mostly by fixing the door so no one can get to the pilots).

But you're right. Any terrorist would have to be an idiot to try that again right now. If nothing else, the passengers would fight back this time.

This isn't about making anything "safer". This is about providing the ILLUSION that we are "safer" now because we are "taking these steps".

But illusions are not reality. Rep. John Lewis used to be tagged by the "security" issue. But he can bypass that if he registers as John R. Lewis. Which tells you how reliable that "security" measure is.

The "security" we've put in place is whatever is easiest for the "security" people to do. And that results in the stupid incidents we keep reading about.

Re:I don't understand the focus on airline securit (0)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040273)

They should continue to screen suspicious passengers. The enemy will always attack you excatly where you think that you are safe. The terrorists would not hesitate if they were allowed the opportunity to take advantage of a security lapse.

Terrorists won (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040096)

I haven't got on an international flight for around a year and a half now just because it's such a fucking hassle these days it's just not worth it.

MOD PARENT UP! (2, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040181)

What we're seeing now is exactly what they were trying to achive in the first place: scaring us into giving up our freedoms. Every time we increase "security" because of terrorism, we validate their actions.

This is one instance where ignoring* the problem really will make it go away, since terrorists lose if nobody pays attention to them.

*rather, mostly ignoring, but quietly fixing our intelligence agency issues too.

*shrug* (2, Insightful)

Mike Hawk (687615) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040231)

And everytime someone brings up "giving up our freedoms" or other such rhetoric its seems to me like they are trying to scare us into voting their way. Its all scare tactics, just choose your flavor.

Re:*shrug* (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040267)

Which way am I trying to get you to vote? (hint: it's a third party)

NO kidding... (1)

FatSean (18753) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040209)

Way back from Europe...connecting in Cinncinatti. We got off the plane, claimed our luggage, dragged them next door to a room with a belt. We didn't put on the belt. We piled them up. 100's of bags....2 workers feeding them to the belt. THEN we waited in line to go through the metal detector BS you get when you first walk into the airport AGAIN.

Fuck man, the only reason I'd fly international now is trips to Amsterdam.

Re:Terrorists won (-1, Flamebait)

Ken@WearableTech (107340) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040243)

God your pathetic. I'm sure the rest of the world thanks you for keeping your whining ass at home.

Sounds reasonable to me. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040099)

Congress and old people do far more damage to this society (and me personally) than any "real" terrorists. This all sounds fine to me. *shrug*.

The terrorists aren't going around telling us "we're the greatest generation" all while bilking my generation out of enormous quantities of cash via taxes to give them free medical care, free prescriptions, social security, etc. And Congress... well... that one is obvious.

Re:Sounds reasonable to me. (1, Insightful)

over_exposed (623791) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040132)

It's no wonder he/she potsed that anonymously... I can't wait for everyone with this attitude to get old and start complaining because when they were younger they voted out Social Security and they die a horrible death because of a lack of inexpenisve healthcare.

GET OVER YOURSELF and maybe you can still do some good with your life.

Re:Sounds reasonable to me. (1)

deanj (519759) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040201)

That and when they can't get jobs when they're 45 or 50+, because someone 20s got hired because they were younger and would "fit in"... the same thing they advocated back when they were in their 20s.

Re:Sounds reasonable to me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040203)

Who do you think you're kidding, old codger? Whether Social Security is "voted out" or not (fat chance, old people vote early and often), it ain't going to be there for those of us younger than the Baby Boomers.

Re:Sounds reasonable to me. (1)

over_exposed (623791) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040232)

For starters, I'm 22. I just happen to think that the elderly should be treated as a resource instead of a drain on them.

Re:Sounds reasonable to me. (1, Informative)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040210)

Social Security will be broke by the time we get old whether we vote it out or not. If you're not an idiot, you'll have retirement savings to compensate for this anyway. All social security does is steal from my feature to bail out the assholes who were too stupid to save when they were my age!

Re:Sounds reasonable to me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#10040279)

All social security does is steal from my feature to bail out the assholes who were too busy raising their families to worry about material goods. I hope you never have kids.

Re:Sounds reasonable to me. (3, Insightful)

cdrguru (88047) | more than 10 years ago | (#10040278)

How about living somewhere besides the USA where when you get old, you die? After all, that is what is supposed to happen, isn't it? What is this with spending millions of dollars to try to get a few more hours of life? I think I remember reading that around 80% of the money spent on health care in the US is during the last six months of life. This is vastly different from other countries, and it is why other countries have quite different health care systems.

Yehaw! (4, Funny)

BluRBD!E (627484) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040103)

In Soviet America, the system shits on you! ... oh wait...

Didn't you just read... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040105)

I guess you must not have RTFP(previous)A:

In Japan, Yoshiyuki Sankai has built a robot suit, called Hybrid Assistive Limb-3 (or HAL-3), designed to help disabled or elderly people.

For once our government is being proactive -- this time to guard against the dangers posed by the superpowered mecha-old-people!

Re:Didn't you just read... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040185)

Just make sure that they have no access to protoculture.

Didn't I just read... (5, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040108)

Didn't I just read last week in the slashdot story about Kennedy's problems [slashdot.org] that the extra screening line is "where all the people with dark skin or funny clothes go"? [slashdot.org]

Every time this sort of thing comes up, someone says that it's all the people with "brown skin" who get targetted, but then they cry fowl when the TSA seems to make an attempt to fairly apply their searches.

So which is it? The brownskins? The US senators? Elderly men? People with "funny clothes"?

As an aside, I'll agree, to a point, that this type of security largely does nothing more than provide a false sense of the very same. But if a "false sense" of security, as it were, is what it takes to make ordinary Americans travel by air, instead of cowering in their homes (as many did after 9/11), isn't it fulfilling its its goal? The goal may not be security, per se, but simply preventing the entire US air transportation industry from collapsing onto itself (issues of privacy and anonymous air travel [slashdot.org] aside, for the moment).

You're right: we can't stop "terror" or terrorist attacks, almost by definition. But we can do our best to make people feel like they're being protected, and the people whose job it is to protect the public can do their best jobs trying. Simple as it may sound. (And no, I don't mean a police state or "Papers, please". I mean honest people, at many levels, legitimately trying to do their best to protect others. There's nothing wrong with legitimately good airport and airline security, for example...not saying everything the TSA does is perfect.)

Scores (1)

Neotrantor (597070) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040109)

terrorists: 1 republicans: -1 common sense: 0 yes, the republicans have been negged on this one

The other side? (5, Interesting)

brandonY (575282) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040114)

An elderly man with medical devices that include metal components would make an excellent suicide bomber. The metal components of his bomb? "Oh, that's my pacemaker/air filter/cancer thingamajig." Bomb dog smells something? "Oh, I take these tablets of such and such for my heart." He's not suspicious in the least no matter how suspicious he's acting. Plus, he doesn't have much time and wouldn't mind as much giving up his life for some radical cause. Keep up the good work, men!

Actors (4, Insightful)

GuyMannDude (574364) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040158)

Good point. Y'know, there are people called "actors" who are trained to give convincing performances of people whom they are not. Just because someone looks old and frail, how do we really know? You remember how convincing Patrick Stewart was at playing a bumbling old Jean-Luc Picard in "All Good Things..."? A little bit of makeup and several months practicing and I bet you could get a normally young, healthy person to look and act very much like an elderly man. At least well enough for an overworked security screener who's been dealing with huge crowds all day long. Like brandon said, he's already got a built-in excuse for setting the metal detector off.

GMD

Re:Actors (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040224)

That's it, Patrick Stewart is banned for life from flying! Perhaps a better example would be Edward Fox in Day of The Jackal (the original version).

Is it just me or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040115)

are the Republicans in power trying to scare/delay Democrats out of getting back to Washington? It doesn't make much sense to me, but it that's how it comes across...

If I was a terrorist... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040116)

I'd put my alias as George W. Bush. :)

Let them know I changed my name, once I became a citizen, after our *great* president.

Pig'd love that, then I'd bomb their asses..

Good thing I'm not a terrorist. :)

Pilots, too... (5, Interesting)

Kiwibee (806835) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040124)

I think it's really dumb that pilots are frequently stopped. My dad is a pilot, and sometimes he flies one way trips on other airlines. He has to do that in order to get to whereever the company plane is so that he can fly it. People with one way tickets frequently come up on security lists, so my dad and other pilots are searched very often. Shouldn't the pilots not have to put up with this? As much as he flies one way, it really annoys my dad...We need a separate system to deal with pilots and flight attendants.

Re:Pilots, too... (1)

over_exposed (623791) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040169)

Yeah... because it's obvious that people who can fly big planes shouldn't be suspect. I forget... where did the pilots form 9/11 learn to fly? Your dad does a great service to this country and it's people - he does NOT deserve special treatment.

Re:Pilots, too... (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040171)

Shouldn't the pilots not have to put up with this? As much as he flies one way, it really annoys my dad...We need a separate system to deal with pilots and flight attendants.

And the moment you start doing that, guess what? A couple terrorists *really* learn how to fly, get licensed, and execute their attack. It takes a few years of preparation, but so did 9/11. Or just become a flight attendant.
Terrorists aren't stupid. The moment we start focusing on one group or excluding another is the moment they start exploiting that.

Re:Pilots, too... (1)

tonyr60 (32153) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040178)

And weren't the real terrorists on the 9/11 planes pilots?

And flight attendants are incorruptible. If I wanted to attack a plane I would look carefully at trying to find a compliant air line staff member.

Re:Pilots, too... (1)

martinX (672498) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040190)

All we need is a separate system for people who self-identify as terrorists, and the rest of us can get on with things.

Pilots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040193)

Well now, terrorists will just 'disguise' themselves as intoxicated pilots to pass security then. What we really need, besides cockpit doors that lock and are really sturdy, are TRAPDOORS right in front of those lockable doors to the cockpit. PROFIT!!! and Fun too. A beowolf cluster of trapdoors.. hmmmmm

Re:Pilots, too... (1)

leereyno (32197) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040199)

I thought pilots got to fly for free on any airline. Or has that changed?

PC run amok (0, Troll)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040126)

look, when the next attack comes, he'll be mid 20's, arab, and answers to muhammad, achmed, or habib. oh yeah, he smell like camel dung from 7 weeks of not showering. this is a direct result of our hyper-sensitivities to damn near everything. if you're offended, get over it. i'd rather fly safely. and no, we're not harassing the shit out of innocent citizens. we're at war, like it or not. it wasn't our fault that we were attacked, and it isn't our fault that a handful of fanatics want to go back the golden years of the 7th century and live in a cave.

going back to 1979, every singe terrorist act against US interests has been conducted by arab muslims. (and don't mention oklahoma city. nichols and mcveigh spent a year in an al qaeda camp in the philippines.) and by focusing on a few select groups, we're becoming nazi germany. defend them all you want, they want to kill you too!!

damn typo (-1, Offtopic)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040139)

and by focusing on a few select groups, we're becoming nazi germany.

meant to say, we're not becoming nazi germany. not a freudian slip.

Re:PC run amok (2, Insightful)

Dizzle (781717) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040255)

But according to your post, we'd have let Mcveigh through security because he's white. See the logic error?

Logic (4, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040127)

After watching a burly airport screener search her lymphoma-stricken father, forcing the frail and faltering 78-year-old to hand over his oxygen meter, stand at attention with arms spread for a wand search, take off the Velcro strap shoes that he'd struggled to put on, and strain to keep his balance as his belt was tugged repeatedly, a Newsweek columnist wonders: have we lost our common sense when it comes to passenger screening?

If you're suggesting that there's any age, sex, race, religious disposition, disability etc that procludes someone from being a terrorist trying to get onto a plane then I'd like to see your evidence.
What would you say to the metaphorical parent of a victim of that terrorists acts when they said to you `why did you assume a guy in a wheelchair was not carrying a bomb`?

I would say... (1)

motek (179836) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040146)

...that you are selling your dignity for illusion of security. Cheap.

-m-

I would say, that by accepting the TSA, etc... (1)

FatSean (18753) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040191)

and all the BS security checks, you have already sold out.

What if it was an elderly arabic-looking man? Who also was a cleric?

Re:I would say, that by accepting the TSA, etc... (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040272)

I'm not accepting anything - I'm just asking the question. It's about the only question that needs to be dealt with when considering security.

> What if it was an elderly arabic-looking man? Who also was a cleric?

You're making my point.

Re:Logic (2, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040215)

If you're suggesting that there's any age, sex, race, religious disposition, disability etc that procludes someone from being a terrorist trying to get onto a plane then I'd like to see your evidence.

As an armless, legless mudjahidin, I resent that remark.

Re:Logic (5, Insightful)

doublebackslash (702979) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040257)

RTFA.
There was more to it than that, the article ended with a comment on how we should at lest treat people as human beings. I think that would be fair. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in this country for a reason: everyone deserves to be treated the same. You start to judge people in any way (including being disrespectful) you have taken a piece of their freedom.
There is no perfect system, but there needs to be a bit more common sense in it all. For example: Did the guy need to almost yank her father over when he examnined his belt? Could he have asked real quick, or said "Can I see your belt buckle?".
Just RTFA real quick (its not that long) and says what I think needs saying: "This system is insane, lets tweak it."

Easily fooled (5, Insightful)

Quixote (154172) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040128)

The worst part about the Lewis story is how he managed to get around it: by using a middle initial! He switched from "John Lewis" to "John R Lewis", and presto! No more problems!

If the system is so friggin' easy to fool, just why is it being used??

I can only shake my head and wonder. It is not that I'm upset about a few people being harassed; what bothers me is that this is such a lame measure, which is easily fooled, and yet there are people who think it is useful. It is the presence of such people in decision-making roles is what really bothers me. If these people can't even see the problems with this system, are we expected to put faith in their abilities to spot real problems and design real solutions???

If he's so old.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040134)

If the man is too eldery and ragged to be able to withstand the "rigors" of airport security, he shoudln't be flying. I don't give a damn about the old man -- he very well could hate America and be carrying a bomb in his O2 tank. They should inspect him twice as thourougly as anyone else!

There is a good reason elderly are being searched. (0, Flamebait)

ncowger (611402) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040148)

First off, to all who were talking about it. No, Democrats haven't had a sense of humor in 15 years or more. That's also the reason you only hear of Democrats being banned is because they are the only ones whining about it. But remember they are the ones who decided you can't profile on anything. Searches had to be random. Sometimes the lot falls to the elderly and sick.

Grandma Beats Up Airport Security Guards (1)

Poeir (637508) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040150)

Brings to mind this apocryphal story [lewrockwell.com] linked to from Snopes.

No Common Sense - All signs point to yes (4, Interesting)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040160)

I just returned from a trip to the Middle East via commercial airlines - I was seached more times than I can recall, and I must have shown my passport to at least a dozen folks - the really stupid thing is that the people checking the passports are just going through the motions anyway - not one person actually compared the passport photo to my own face (which is an older photo and I had a beard then). I think that the collective airline security is in a ridiculous state - I doubt they could actually catch someone trying to do wrong without prior knowledge.

Oxygen you say? (1)

Jardine (398197) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040161)

Hmm. It's not clear skimming through the article whether this guy had an oxygen tank or not (I'm not sure what oxygen meter refers to) but wouldn't an oxygen tank make an excellent explosive? Oxygen tanks always have warnings to keep them away from flame.

Is it possible to make a normal oxygen tank explode and if so, how powerful would it be? I expect you could blow a hole in a plane though that wouldn't necissarly kill anyone.

Re:Oxygen you say? (3, Informative)

Ken@WearableTech (107340) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040206)

Most, if not all, airlines will not let you take an O2 tank on the flight.

Re:Oxygen you say? (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040261)

How about blowing a hole through the cockpit? That would make a nice bang...

Have we lost true media inquisitiveness? (5, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040162)

After watching a burly airport screener search her lymphoma-stricken father,--8<--8<-- a Newsweek columnist wonders: --8<--"

And I wonder: why does it take a relative of this Newsweek columnist being hassled for said columnist to write a column about this? the TSA and its secret black lists, and the circus show that goes on in airports across the country, bringing nothing but the sense of security, aren't these enough to call this journalist's attention?

But no, apparently it's business as usual for reporters these days, unless what goes on in America *right now* affects them personally. If the Washington Post and other news outlets behaved 30 years ago like they do today, Nixon would have stayed in office until the end of his term.

Re:Have we lost true media inquisitiveness? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040187)

We have a president in office at this very moment who should have been impeached and tried a long time ago. Nixon and his tape doctoring was a choir boy compared to Dubya's lies and warmonging...

Plane hijacking still IN? (0, Redundant)

usefool (798755) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040174)

Where can I find information about the number of hijackings (around the world) since Sep11?

I just don't think it's still a feasible tactic by terrorists, whether to use it as a weapon or to make a statement/request (like releasing prisoners).

Couple of problems here (4, Insightful)

deanj (519759) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040175)

There are a couple of problems here.

First, the TSA people on the ground have to use some freaking common sense. It kind of disturbs me that the people on the ground can't recognize someone like Kennedy. On the news yesterday, they said some other bozo has been using "Edward Kennedy" as an alias. I can see some lesser known people being stopped, but seriously... who hasn't seen Kennedy?

These people are stopping senators and grandmas, and letting people through that probably should be stopped, all in the name of "political correctness". If a guy is acting shifty and has a foreign passport, chances are the guy is just nervous about being in a foreign country's airport security, so ask the guy a couple of questions... not my grandma.

Second, these congress people have start getting to the airport AHEAD OF TIME, just like the rest of us. They pull up five minutes before flights, and expect to cruise right on through.

Maybe if they start getting delayed more, they'll authorize more money to lower the waiting times at airports.

Re:Couple of problems here (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040197)

The real problem. The TSA, for whatever reason, is exempt from the FOIA.

This means they don't have to tell the public the rules. How the list system works, what the hell is going on. How people are chosen.

There's no transparency. If there was, people would know what was wrong, bitch about it, and get it fixed one way or the other.

Bozos (1, Funny)

sfled (231432) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040189)


As in the rest of our society, the people on the front lines of security at airports are trying to do a good job with an overwhelming amount of work for low wages under pointy-haired career bosses/bozos.

There are, however, a certain small percentage of self-important assholes who take sadistic delight in inflicting misery on innocent travelers. As with all bullies, their day will come. Meanwhile, I recommend a dinner of bean & cheese burritos and beer shortly before going thru a security point. "I fart in your general direction," is my motto.

we don't need the security (5, Insightful)

maxpublic (450413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040214)

The biggest deterrent to air terrorism has already taken place: 9/11. If a terrorist attempts to take over a plane now everyone is going to remember what happened to the Twin Towers and to the people on board those planes, and no matter what the terrorists say they're going to believe that they're the next barbecue up on the list.

I'd wager that any terrorist takeover attempt will last a few minutes at most, before the news travels the cabin and several hundred passengers mob the sons of bitches and do unto them before they can be done unto.

The 9/11 terrorists did more for airline security than the government ever could, or can: by forcing the passengers to realize that if *they* don't end the threat then death will almost certainly follow.

Max

Is it any wonder why? (5, Interesting)

MsWillow (17812) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040218)

I haven't seen my mother in well over ten years. She lives in Dayton, Ohio, and I live in Seattle, Washington. I'd love to see her at least once more, before she finally kicks the bucket, but ...

See, I'm disabled. I'm stuck in a wheelchair. At the moment, I can still stand by myself, for short periods, I can even put my shoes on (Velcro is my bestest friend), I cannot, however, spend multiple hours waiting in line to be screened - MS has left my bladder very functional, but taken away my ability to sense "fullness" (and no, the drug that's advertised will not help. Tried that. Nada).

So, flying is out. Greyhound is even worse - those toilets are *not* very handicapped accessible. Amtrack? They keep cutting off routes because Congress won't give them adequate funding for anything but the East coast corridor. Driving? Ha! Got no vehicle that can carry my power chair, and I for sure can't drive myself any more.

So I'm stuck here in Seattle, likely until I die. Thank you, TSA, and your over-zealous "screeners" who really can't stop a determined terrorist (or even a half-determined amateur who wants to demonstrate gow ludicrous the "Homeland Security" really is).

Bah. A pox on all their houses.

Media Folk Waking Up; One Journalist at a Time (2, Insightful)

CristalShandaLear (762536) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040219)

...a Newsweek columnist wonders: have we lost our common sense when it comes to passenger screening?"

Is this from a member of the same media who seem to feel that President Bush is doing a great job and that the Patriot Act and Department of Homeland of Security are of no threat to the American way of life?

The same media who are holding on to their jobs for dear life instead of acting on their (and our) rights of freedom of speech and freedom of the press? The same people who are hiding behind "what the public wants to hear" instead of "what the public needs to know". The truth.

It never ceases to amaze me how much people ignore these things until something inconveniences them. Then all of a sudden "Something MUST be done."

Who'da thunk it, but maybe the no-fly list is actually non-partisan. So much so that people who are used to special priveleges get none and may actually start getting pissed off about it.

Interesting. Very, very interesting. Can't wait to see who gets booted off or detained next.

Oddly, the solution is racial profiling (2, Insightful)

Killswitch1968 (735908) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040226)

I know it sounds awful, but it's true. If we don't use racial prfiling, then what we're really asking for isn't to stop targeting muslim males, but rather harass grandmothers and children. Because hey, no one wants to be biased.

People against racial profiling usually claim it's just racism. And by a narrow definition it is.

Or is it just playing statistics? Doctors usually check black men for prostate cancer because they are 100% more likely to get it than white men. Is that racism?

So if 9/10 terrorists are muslim males, doesn't it make sense that more scrutiny should be placed on them, rather than seniors with heart conditions? Security needs common sense, and if that hurts people's feelings then it's a worthy tradeoff.

Re:Oddly, the solution is racial profiling (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040268)

Profiling opens up holes. If security is going to only check muslims in a throughly, then what stops Al Queda or others from recruiting non muslim people to do their deeds?

After all, Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing proves that people of other races are just as willing to be carrying out these kinds of attacks.

Amen, brother. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040269)

Someone needs to mod this parent up. The refusal to profile based on race, country of origin, sex, and age explains the absurdities like this one. As much as I couldn't stand Al Gore, the fact that he was chosen for the full shakedown in an airport line in the months following 9/11 just shows the stupidity of random screening. What we need is TARGETED screening.

There are, after all, surprisingly few elderly, white, female Presbyterians on this list [fbi.gov] .

Re:Oddly, the solution is racial profiling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040270)

McVeigh

Visit the U.S. (2, Insightful)

tenco (773732) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040229)

Things like this (also: need for biometric data in passports, gathering passengers-data from airlines) prevent that i even consider a visit to the U.S. in this times.

Re:Visit the U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040258)

Me too. I'm sick of the "Sir, I'm going to have to search your groin with the back of my hand" routine I got in all US airports. I'm not going back.

in advance? (1)

pr0nbot (313417) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040237)

Is there a way to find out in advance whether you're on one of these retarded lists? I'm heading out the States at some point, if I can avoid spurious cavity searches at the airport by using a middle initial, that would be good.

Conspiracy Theory of the Week (2, Funny)

Cytlid (95255) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040239)

Sounds like Tom Ridge and GWB got drunk one night and put all the names of democaratic senators they could think of on that list. Bet Teddy was #1. ... or not.

Re:Conspiracy Theory of the Week (4, Funny)

Ken@WearableTech (107340) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040262)

and John Ashcroft couldn't make it because he was busy whiting out the orignal copies of the Bill of Rights.

Not in other countries (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040254)

Just wanted to point out that this type of security happens only in USA. In other countries, most everybody just go through a metal detector and get their carry-on stuff x-rayed. No leaving luggage unlocked, no blacklists, no checking visas (on internal flights), etc.

Ted Kennedy is a murderer and a traitor (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10040256)

Some may recall how Ted Kennedy cheated his way through college and law school. Other might remember the blood on his hands.

This year is the 35th anniversary of the day in 1969 when Ted Kennedy left his rape victim Mary Jo Kopechne [nationalreview.com] to drown alone in a ghastly staged "accident" on Chappaquiddick Island. Kennedy waited over 12 hours before reporting this "accident" so that he could verify that she was indeed dead. Ted Kennedy should have been given the electric chair.

Ted Kennedy is the terrorist's best friend. His legislation is responsible for the unscreened flooding of America with illiterate, lazy, third-world parasites eager to mooch off of America's welfare system, all the while plotting mass murder of innocents such as occurred on September 11, 2001.

Ted Kennedy should be in jail, not drunkenly flying around the country at taxpayers' expense.

A real mickey mouse oparation. (2, Funny)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 9 years ago | (#10040264)

All I can say is.. lighters and matches are not banned while smoking is, no one in the government has bothered to explain or do anything about this, that scene in Farenheit 911 where the guard says the woman can only have 4 books of matches just sums up the whole security thing. No one even talks about this!
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