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Creationist Textbook Stickers Declared Unconstitutional

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the separating-church-and-science dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "MSNBC reports that a judge in Atlanta, GA has ruled that a sticker placed on all textbooks in Cobb County stating that 'Evolution is a theory, not a fact,' is unconstitutional, and ordered that all stickers be removed."

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Yay! (0, Flamebait)

One of the abnormals (817423) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356124)

+1 for creationism!

Re:Yay! (4, Insightful)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356199)

+1 for creationism!

Read it carefuly, actually it is -1 Creationism. They are ruling creationist's stickers unconstitutional, though wierdly enough part of me feels like it is also "-1 Free Speech". :-/ I am kinda split if it is a good thing to make "keep open mind" stickers unconstitutional.

-Em

Y'all a little slow dow'n thar in Alabama... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356269)

It's not a +1 Ned...

Thank God! (5, Funny)

ruhk (70494) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356129)

Finally a bit of sense in the courts. :D

Re:Thank God! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356171)

yeah ... wtf? I mean, telling kids to have an open mind and view something critically ... it's almost like we want them to think for themselves. Well, at least you can always trust the government to put an end to that.

Re:Thank God! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356240)


telling kids to have an open mind and view something critically

Thinking critically is the foundation of science. Faith is the realm of mysticism.

Re:Thank God! (0, Troll)

TRIEventHorizon (744457) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356184)

mod parent troll

evolution is still an unproven theory; everyday it seems to become more and more like a religion to some minority groups among us [cough]enviromentalist wackos[/cough]

Re:Thank God! (3, Funny)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356233)

mod parent troll

Actually mod it funny due to subject "Thank god!"

-Em

Re:Thank God! (4, Insightful)

Narchie Troll (581273) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356257)

Evolution is a fact. It's been observed.

There are theories as to its mechanisms. Note I said "theory", not "hypothesis"; in general, a theory is the best you can do when describing a process in science. The common use of 'theory' to mean 'unproven concept' is not the way science uses it.

Re:Thank God! (1, Flamebait)

tuxter (809927) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356317)

Unproven theory??? Are you saying creationism is a proven theory? Black holes, the big bang, string theory etc, they are all unproven. It is pretty bloody obvious to anyone with a scientific mind that evolution is the way it is, it really does not need proving does it? Creationism is for narrow minded, short sighted people who need a (unproven) crutch.

goddamned fundamentalists.. (-1, Troll)

unfunk (804468) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356130)

who the hell decided that they should be put on there in the first place?

Re:goddamned fundamentalists.. (1)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356153)

Your post's subject answers that correctly. After all, this is Georgia we are talking about here.

Re:goddamned fundamentalists.. (2, Insightful)

randallpowell (842587) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356276)

Fundamentalist Christians who are scared by reality and must insist that everyone must be like them to validate their religion and feel secure once more.

This deserves the [HERO] tag (3, Funny)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356136)

oh wait, this is isn't Fark

Re:This deserves the [HERO] tag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356288)

Your dog wants to evolve.

Seriously, speaking of dogs and evolution, it reminds me of channel surfing one fine Sunday morning many years ago. There was a televangelist sermonizing that evolution was false by giving the example that when two dogs mate, their offspring is always another dog.

AFAIAC both evolution and design can coexist, but evolution doesn't presuppose faith.

Interesting... (0, Troll)

crumbz (41803) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356141)

but the ruling does not change the fact that evolutionary theory is exactly that... a theory. So is Intelligent Design, which is gaining creedance as an alternative theory.

Re:Interesting... (2, Informative)

lordkuri (514498) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356170)

theory Audio pronunciation of "theory" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-r, thîr)
n. pl. theories

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.


where are your test results? I'd like to see em'

Re:Interesting... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356246)

What is it then? It is called the Theory of Evolution, yet it does not fit the definition for a theory? WTF? Oh wait, here's a more complete definition [reference.com] .

Re:Interesting... (4, Funny)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356274)

Creationism works like this. God is infinite. Therefore, to represent God, we will use an infinite series:
0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + .... = 0

1 - 1 = 0, so logically it follows that:
(1 - 1) + (1 - 1) + ... = 0

Removing the parentheses:
1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + .... = 0

Adding new parentheses:
1 + ( -1 + 1) + (-1 + 1) + ... = 0

Simplifying:
1 = 0

Thus, God can create the universe out of nothing.

QED

God could not be reached for comment.

Re:Interesting... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356192)

> So is Intelligent Design, which is gaining creedance [sic] as an
> alternative theory.

Not much of a theory, because it's assumptions aren't falsifiable. It's an idea, but it's not science.

That said, evolution IS just a theory - but so is everything else in a science book, whether or not it isn't well stomached by fundies.

Re:Interesting... (1)

kusanagi374 (776658) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356197)

Anyway, that doesn't mean creationism isn't just a theory as well. That's all we have, theories. Anyone saying evolutionism or creationism or whatever is a fact shouldn't be taken seriously.

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356213)

"So is Intelligent Design, which is gaining creedance ( sic ) as an alternative theory."

Obviously the theory above doesn't apply to you.

Or maybe people who can't spell were designed on a Monday ?

Re:Interesting... (2, Insightful)

SnapShot (171582) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356215)

Yes, evolution is a theory. Gravity is a theory. The big bang is a theory. Intelligent design isn't a theory; it's a story. There's a difference.

Re:Interesting... (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356280)

I think the disticntion is really scientific theory (falsifiable) and just random therory.

Re:Interesting... (1)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356216)

o is Intelligent Design, which is gaining creedance as an alternative theory.

Really? Not in the scientific community. They use something called the "Scientific Method" to test and confirm hypotheses. As I recall, ID does not use the method.

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356219)

So is gravity. Seemed to be pretty accurate last time I dropped something...

Re:Interesting... (5, Insightful)

jimhill (7277) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356220)

This space doesn't permit the degree of mockery your post deserves, alas.

The difference between evolution as a scientific theory and ID as a "We're a theory, too, really!" is that evolution derives from observation and application of the scientific method and will be changed as more data becomes available. ID, on the other hand, is derived from a book written with the advice of an invisible friend in the sky and will resist with all its might new data -- like observed evolution.

Re:Interesting... (1)

artakka (114455) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356232)

And gravity is a theory too.
/Jumps from the window/
Ouch!

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356248)

but the ruling does not change the fact that evolutionary theory is exactly that... a theory.

So is relativity. What's your point.

So is Intelligent Design

Maybe in some non-scientific sense of the word "theory". News flash: A theory that can be neither be tested or proved wrong is not a scientific theory.

which is gaining creedance as an alternative theory.

Only in the illiterate American Bible Belt. BTW, WTF is creedance? LOL

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356251)

I beg to disagree. Intelligent design, or creationism, is not a theory. It can be considered a religious myth or a fairy tale, but definitely not a theory.

Any fifth-grader can tell you that a theory is something based on observation or experimental data, and that theories are scientifically tested. It is hardly possible to test Creationism.

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356270)

In case you haven't noticed, *all* of science is a theory. It so happens that many of those theories are also facts. Saying that evolution, for which BTW there is a heck of a lot of evidence, is not a fact is disinformation.

One word: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356284)

Idiot.

Re:Interesting... (3, Insightful)

Spyffe (32976) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356292)

Wrong.

Creationism is a theory that is unprovable except by the appearance of a "supreme being," which is documented only by ancient and contradictory sources. It is speculation.

Evolution is testable. Carbon-dating, empirical observation, archaeology, and genetics all indicate that evolution has taken place from more primitive forms of life to those seen today. It is a theory.

The term theory has been coopted by religious fundamentalists, and twisted it to mean something it's not. Good science is based on weeding viable theories from speculation.

ID is not a theory (1)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356296)

ID is not a theory and it should have no place in our schools. In order for something to be a scientific theory it needs to be subjectable to experimentation. It needs to be able to be proved wrong and the experiments need to be able to be reproduced by peers.
There is no way to rigorously apply the scientific method to ID so it will never be a scientific theory.

Re:Interesting... (1)

mr. marbles (19251) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356297)

yes, thank you. And to follow up, my work on creationism has revealled not only how to prove reproducibly that god created the universe in 7 days, but what brand of underwear he was wearing at the time.

Re:Interesting... (1)

grub (11606) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356319)


So is Intelligent Design, which is gaining creedance as an alternative theory.

And the Young Earth theory is gaining creedance... among kooks. I'd like to see hard facts supporting ID.

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356320)

Intelligent Design is for all practical purposes the same as Creationism, slightly dressed in the clothing of science.

........ What? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356146)

The statement on the front of the book, whether motivated by religion or not, is completley true. Evolution IS a theory, and not a fact.

I don't know which side of the debate is dumber. The state, the evolutionists, the judges, or the creatonists.

Re: What? (5, Insightful)

Theatetus (521747) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356209)

Well, when they put similar notices in Physics textbooks that gravity is a theory, not a proven fact, I'll stop complaining.

Re: What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356290)

There is a large difference. Gravity is accepted by probably about 99.9999999999% of the world. Evolution is accepted by a minority of the world.

Not to imply that we should teach creationism, it's just the government tends to accept it as fact, where it is not.
(This is the parent, BTW)

........ What?-Worshipping technology. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356241)

But it's a fact, a fact I tell you! The techno-gods told me.

Re: What? (3, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356304)

The statement on the front of the book, whether motivated by religion or not, is completley true. Evolution IS a theory, and not a fact.

Then I want a sticker in all bibles: "God is a myth, not a fact", and that statement is also completely true.

Evolution at work (1, Funny)

Brakz0rz (773616) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356148)

Glad to see this ridiculous disclaimer get darwinned.

Mod parent up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356250)

it's funny not trollish

Intelligence in Georgia? Unpossible (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356150)

Something intelligent has happened in Georgia. Is this a first?

the same for creationism then (1)

PetrusMagnusII (309326) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356155)

creationism is also just a theory, not a fact. not saying it isn't true eitherway, but it's impossible to prove wrong, or correct. so it will remain a theory forever...

Re:the same for creationism then (1)

Jesus IS the Devil (317662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356264)

Creationism isn't a theory, it's no more than a wild guess based on blind faith.

To be a theory, there needs to be empirical, independently-verifiable evidence, that point directly to that theory.

With creationism, all you have are blind and often ludicrous assertions of causation based on nothing more than mere coincidence, or positive assertions based soley on the inability for the other side to prove you 100% wrong.

"You can't prove that I'm not god, therefore I am god!" Nonsesne like that.

Re:the same for creationism then (1)

Joe Random (777564) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356294)

creationism is also just a theory, not a fact.
Actually, it's both. The theory is the framework that explains how the evolutionary process (which can be observed) operates. This is much like the theory of gravitation explaining how the fact of gravity works.

Re:the same for creationism then (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356300)

And how does evolution compare in it's proof of being wrong or correct?

How does this happen? (1, Flamebait)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356158)

How the hell do such unbalanced people get into a position of power where they can approve these labels in the first place?

Get the jerk-offs out of office. Remember it's your tax dollars that get wasted on their zealous religious efforts.

Re:How does this happen? (0, Flamebait)

GISGEOLOGYGEEK (708023) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356196)

For the same reason dumbasses like Dubya get elected president. ... they stick together, support and spread their own flavour of stupidity, then they get to force it on everyone else despite any supposed freedoms guaranteed by law.

Re:How does this happen? (1)

artakka (114455) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356283)

Do you really think that Creationism was invented by George W.?

Re:How does this happen? (1)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356234)

This is Cobb County, Georgia we're talking about here. Certainly doesn't suprise me that ignorant people who rely on their polyester suit-clad highschool dropout clergy to provide their "facts" might decide that passing their ignorance on to their children was a good idea.

Stupid is as stupid does.

what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356159)

Most creationists can't read anyway, so why bother?

Alright! (1)

abstraxion (713100) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356164)

Penn and Teller's "Bullshit" wins again!

One in the eye for religious dumbarses! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356165)

A tiny bit more fact pokes up above the mire of religious oppression. Yay!

Oh, this is going to get messy. (1)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356168)

The situation: Creationists say that evolutionists are just another form of a religious cult. Same vice versa. The courts are literally stuck depending on their interpretation of the constitution article banning the interaction between church and state.

Will this go down in history as another Scopes Monkey Trial? No. But it's sure as hell going to reignite the debate (wasn't the last uproar a few years back, in Kansas?).

Personally, the only thing I would see that would pacify both sides would be a complete omission of any theory regarding how we came to be. While politically correct, it would be a massive disservice to the students. Either way, the government really cannot handle this through the judicial.

Re:Oh, this is going to get messy. (1)

TRIEventHorizon (744457) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356265)

it is no issue at all, what we have here are freedom hating power loving judges (other's freedom)

seperation of church and state applys to 'government sponsored religions'

it is not government sponsored if it's a private school

this ruling to ban this statement is totally unconstitutional and a violation to the first amendment, but like that really needed saying.

Re:Oh, this is going to get messy. (1)

Anonymous Cowpat (788193) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356315)

Personally, the only thing I would see that would pacify both sides would be a complete omission of any theory regarding how we came to be. While politically correct, it would be a massive disservice to the students
Simple, have a second textbook just for "how we came to be here" theories and knock it all out of the normal textbooks. Parents could then keep their children out lessons where these heretic textbooks were being used and everyone's happy. Except the children.

While it can be proven..... (2, Insightful)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356173)

Evolution can be proven, in a way, it just can't be proof enough that it would be enough to say that evolution is a law. Evolution is a theory....the sticker is right.....and the court was wrong, in my humble opinion. This is not over by any means.

Re:While it can be proven..... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356237)

well, there wouldn't be any problem with saying evolution is a theory..

if all bibles they provided were slanted with a "creationism is a hunch" sticker(or at least, that it can't be proven either, and more than that, there's proof that would make you doubt it and if you started from a clean table you wouldn't come to that conclusion by any means at all).

Re:While it can be proven..... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356242)

No. If you ever took any science class beyond High School, you'd know a theory never becomes a law. For 1 simple reason. A theory covers a complex system (Evolution, which is comprised of many ideas, Relativity, which is almost assuredly true, but covers a great deal of information), and a law covers a single thing (3 Laws of Gravity, Thermodynamics).

So, no. If anyone ever even calls evolution a law, they get a big idiot sticker in my book.

Woohoo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356174)

This + getting rid of mandatory sentencing means the courts may not be as corrupted as you /. people think. Maybe it's all that tinfoil reflecting your brainwaves back into yourself causing sensory overload aka OMG I'm psycho.

Equal time for plano-terrestrialism (3, Funny)

earthforce_1 (454968) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356175)


In the name of plano-terrestrialists everywhere, I demand that all globes, maps and atlases include a disclaimer stating that the idea of a round earth is only one of many possible theories.

Furthermore, we demand equal time in the classroom to discuss our alternative theories of geography.

Re:Equal time for plano-terrestrialism (1)

Artraze (600366) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356305)

In the name of plano-terrestrialists everywhere, I demand that all globes, maps and atlases include a disclaimer stating that the idea of a round earth is only one of many possible theories.

Certainly. As soon as you prove the Earth isn't 'round' (read: spherical).

no it's not (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356177)

evolution is not a theory, it is a principle reproduced and observed in the labratory and is applicable to more than just biological systems. they need to clarify what they really mean by evolution, but then that would be exposing their true religious robot nature.

Re:no it's not (2, Insightful)

Le Marteau (206396) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356253)

It's a long way from saying, "Oh look. The color of the moth changes in lab tests depending on it's predator and environment" to "Oh, look. Our lab tests just that life came about because of natural selection."

Buncha jackasses (1)

Le Marteau (206396) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356181)

... on both sides of the issue. All this is not going to make a bit of difference in anyones mind, least of all the little knucklheads who have to read those textbooks. It's all posturing and symbolism and a big waste of time.

It creeps me out... (2, Insightful)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356183)

Courts lately keep doing the right [slashdot.org] thing [slashdot.org] .

Creationist? (5, Informative)

PuppiesOnAcid (792320) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356186)

I'm not defending either side here...but how exactly does one call this a "creationist textbook sticker?" I've heard many evolutionists declare evolution as only theory and not fact as well...

theory... (4, Insightful)

AmigaAvenger (210519) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356188)

ok, it's a theory, I think most of slashdot agrees on that one. now do we need warning stickers on every text book that contains a theory! science books would take on an entire new meaning. half the pages would contain the stickers for the remaining half of the book, containing the forbidden 'theories'

Re:theory... (1)

rickst13 (723165) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356281)

Amen to that!

Can we get another "Amen"? Anyone?

"Creationist"? (2, Insightful)

mskfisher (22425) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356189)

How is this "creationist"? Evolution is a theory, not a fact, and as with all scientific theories, should be presented as such.

Is there a better way to teach scientific thinking to students than to emphasize "what you are learning is not final"?

Dear Creationists (5, Funny)

aendeuryu (844048) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356191)

Dear Creationists,

We'll put these stickers on our science textbooks when you put "God's existence is a theory, not a fact" on your bibles.

Re:Dear Creationists (2, Insightful)

Yolegoman (762615) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356278)

By that logic, you are declaring Evolution a religion... thus, why the hell is Evolution in Public Schools and not Creation? You _do_ realize that you are are declaring Evolution equal to Creation on a scientific scale...

so, how is creationism taught anyways? (5, Funny)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356193)

Teacher: Class, today we are going to study Creation. A long time ago, God, who cannot be quantified or proven to exist or not to exist, created life using supernatural powers that cannot be explained by science.

Student: Will this be on the test?

Teacher: Will what be on the test?

owned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356202)

Doesn't thoery meen most factual in a scienctific scence. It seems like they owned themselves.

America still might have a chance (1, Funny)

Sophrosyne (630428) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356207)

Stupid religious nuts

The Lemov Test (4, Informative)

alphakappa (687189) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356208)

For those who might cite the First Amendment: The judge based his decision on the test established by the SC in the Lemov vs. Kurtzman:

Under the Lemon test, a government-sponsored message violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment if: (1) it does not have a secular purpose, (2) its principal or primary effect advances or inhibits religion, or (3) it creates an excessive entanglement of the government with religion.


Since putting the sticker violated rules (2) and (3), it was deemed to be unconstitutional.

Not like the stickers make a valid point anyway (1)

knapper_tech (813569) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356210)

"In the same sense, relativity as described by Albert Einstein is 'just' a theory. The notion that Earth orbits around the sun rather than vice versa, offered by Copernicus in 1543, is a theory" - The New Monkey Trial salon [salon.com]

Which religion? (0)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356217)

Seriously? Which religion? I do not know of any religion other than the religion of aethism that does not have some sort of creationist begining. This includes all native american beliefs that I have heard of. So, which religion?

Ob. Satire Link (1)

Colonel Sponsz (768423) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356218)

(Alternate) Textbook disclaimers [swarthmore.edu] .

If I had a kid in school in that area, I would so stick some of those in his books...

Thank God! (1)

lordofthechia (598872) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356229)

(no pun intended... really)

I for one would be for these stickers if similar disclaimers were placed on bibles (I would vote for for "should not be taken literally"). But that would never happen. As long as scientists aren't busting into sunday schools and inflicting their beliefs there I say the churches should stay out of the classrooms.

Wow.... (0, Troll)

Artraze (600366) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356230)

Isn't it amazing how something that doesn't even call evolution wrong could be considered supporting religon? Nevermind the fact that the sticker is completely true, and anyone with half a brain could tell you that. Evolution, as it currently stands is more disproven than proven (as a realistic model has yet to be devised). But I guess the judge is just takeing it on faith.

Yey secular fanatics! May you one day make the state religion atheism!

Re:Wow.... (1)

DylanQuixote (538987) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356273)

It is not that it is a perfect theory; it is that it is the *best* theory. Same is true for physics, geology, astronomy, etc. The best current theory *is* the truth, until a better theory is found. Or, as close to the truth as human minds have yet been able to see.

evolution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356231)

evolution smevolution. i have always had 6 toes and breathed air , these damb gills keep getting in the way though

Creationism is not a Theory (1)

EvilBastard (77954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356239)

It's been covered many times before [talkorigins.org]

Creationism and it's jumped up little brother Intelligent Design would be hard put to prove themselves as a Hypothesis.

People who misuse the language of science in order to try to disprove something should be pointed and laughed at, rather then engaged in debate.

Learn the ground rules first people, otherwise you come across as a fool.

Why are we abolishing critical thinking? (1, Insightful)

UpLateDrinkingCoffee (605179) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356243)

This is the text that establishes religion according to the judge:

"This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

No mention of creationism... no mention of God. It only states that Evolution is a theory regarding the origin of living things which is absolutely true. Why is this world trying to abolish critical thinking?

Evolutionism... creationism... (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356245)

What I'd like to know, is why reality actually exists.

No, I did not RTFA... as this isn't news to me. (1)

Matt1313 (165628) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356249)

One is fact, one is fiction... It does not matter how much we argue or what the courts rule. We all will know which one is true and which one is false in the End.

PDF of complete decision (4, Informative)

alphakappa (687189) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356252)

can be found here. [cimedia.com]

video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356254)

am i the only one here opened up IE just too see the video because it has a pretty girl inside?

What about Bush and his menorah ? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11356258)

How long are we going to be imposed the ostentiveness of Bush's submision to jewish symbols and politics?

A better warning ... (2, Funny)

GISGEOLOGYGEEK (708023) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356260)

alert alert!

A theory may be inside this textbook!

You may be forced to think for yourself!

Don't read this textbook, instead keep on blindly swallowing the lies spread by your religious overlords so they can remain in control of you!

Equality? (1)

almostmanda (774265) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356279)

I see no problem with these stickers. As long as there is a similar sticker inside every Bible claiming "Creationism is a theory, NOT a fact."

Hold it... (1)

mmarshall (812479) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356287)

Stating that the Theory of Evolution is a theory is unconstitutional?

This must be a huge ploy of textbook printers -- Now schools have to buy the all new editions that say "Fact of Evolution" instead.

The entire label (2, Insightful)

LunarOne (91127) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356303)

The entire label:

"This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

The only way we can make progress on any theory is with an open mind. After all, that's what allowed the theory of evolution to come about in the first place. It's not like the label said that the students should consider the alternative of creation.


Furthermore, there are many scientists at the highest level who have questioned the theory of evolution, and far from all of them are creationists. Anyone who truly wants to advance science and has a degree of humility could readily accept the contents of that label at par.


Go ahead and mod my opinions down, as is so typical in the slashdot forum. It will only make me think moreso than ever that evolutionists are not above engaging in the occasional witch hunt, just like any other, um...religion.

Not Atlanta (1)

AubieTurtle (743744) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356307)

Cobb County is not part of the City of Atlanta. Cobb hates Atlanta. Just look at this week's Creative Loafing [creativeloafing.com] to see what a difference there is between Atlanta and the Bush voting, religious right sprawl that surrounds it. The city school board has nothing to do with this. It is the suburbs, not the city!

Role of law in society (1)

starworks5 (139327) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356311)

Technically evolution is a theory, not a LAW of science. but i dont think i see where the unconstitutionality comes in. of course these days judges dont interperate law, they make thier own. and these laws are on thier views of right or wrong, which may or may not be right or wrong.

Its about time that the US law stripped bare, because this is just one more example of how extremism is choking the air out of society.

Yes, its fundamentally wrong to put idiotic messages on all school books, yes its wrong to give children ideas of fantasy, and ludacrisyin a center of learning, and yes its done because of religon. but "so is life" and we cant go mandating what actions people are allowed to do. a better action would be to discipline whomevers decision it was to put the stickers there in the first place. this is DOE's job, not the courts.

Painful waste of money (1)

jtshaw (398319) | more than 9 years ago | (#11356321)

I happen to live in Atlanta these days and the thing that upsets me most is how much of a waste of money this whole ordeal was.

Georgia has enough money problems (and education problems) without having to waste money on stupid stickers and the legal battles caused by them.

Yes, Evolution is a Theory. So are a lot of other things presented in that book and other science text books. Do we need to put stickers on all our books for each theory they contain now? This is rediculous.
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