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The Return Of The Pop-Up Ad

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the open-in-tab-is-a-nice-sidestep dept.

The Internet 1129

SYFer writes "Shortly after upgrading my Macs to OS X 10.3.8, I noticed that I was getting pop-up ads on Safari. It had been so long since I'd seen a pop-up, I completely forgotten how annoying they can be. I went over to Apple's Support site to see if there was a relationship, but learned that the timing is just a coincidence (even though there's a lot of the usual FUD and flailing of arms in the discussion forums). In fact, it turns out that the pop-up advertisers (what's the proper denigrating term here?) have finally defeated the pop-up blocking functionality found in many browsers. MacFixIt is running a front page article on the topic and says 'Contrary to initial reports, this problem isn't limited to Safari; subsequent reports have noted pop-under ads victimizing a number of browsers that provide pop-up-blocking features, including the latest versions of Safari, FireFox, Mozilla, OmniWeb, and Camino.'"

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Shitbutt (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731949)

Shitbutt
Poos for turds. Shit that splatters.

been seeing this a while (4, Insightful)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731950)

I've been coming across popup ads in firefox even with popup blocking on for a couple of months now, though luckily not too many.

Re:been seeing this a while (1)

Licinius (252579) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732070)

Same here, except they only started a couple weeks ago for me. I was wondering why they were coming through.

Re:been seeing this a while (1)

Man in Spandex (775950) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732108)

I second that.

My popup feature is on but I still get those annoying "Free Smilies" bullshit ads and such.

Disabling Java and Javascript seemed to reduce but some still manage to appear outta nowhere.

Well then (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731951)

We'll just have to fight back. Thanks to great browsers like Firefox and Opera, we're not giving up either.

Re:Well then (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732119)

RIGHT! lets get those fuckers. you get the guns and I'll get the fire-bombs. Now, who knows where these bastards live?

POPUP POST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731953)

frist psot

Well then... (5, Interesting)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731954)

...it's time for the return of my shotgun to active duty.

I tolerate text ads because something has to pay for the web, but popups and other abusive ads (like the huge flash ads in the slashdot TEXT ONLY service) just get blocked. The fuckwits deserve not to get any ad revenue for pulling stupid tricks like that.

Re:Well then... (5, Funny)

MutantHamster (816782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732018)

What good is a shotgun going to do? What are you going to do? Keep a log of all of the sites that use pop-ups, looks up who's personally responsible and then track them down by yourself in a vigilante style vendetta killing spree?

I'm coming too. I'll go get my shotgun.

tagging (1)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732077)

Just like my solution for spammers, I tend to recommend bright orange ear tags for the offending parties.

maybe we can put pop up ads on THEIR tivos....

This isn't that serious (0)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732103)

Just turn off javascript in the browser you use.
If a site requires javascript then don't go there.

I develop website based apps and my site uses pop-ups to avoid easy querystring hacking (I also validate every variable by user which I don't tell them, so querystring hacking with an incorrect variable locks out their accounts) by hiding the location bar. We tell all our users to add our site to their "allowed" list. Fortunately the new IE pop-up blocker works the same way the mozilla/firefox one does. I wish fucking safari had an allowed sites instead of the damn all or nothing check in preferences.

Science Blog (3, Informative)

UID1000000 (768677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731956)

I've had this trouble too just recently. I get one off and on at this site: http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/index.php.

Call me crazy (ok don't) but I thought I had spyware. I certainly don't. I'm running Firefox 1.0.

Hopefully they don't catch on too quick.

Re:Science Blog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731989)

Yes, that link opens a popup on my setup.

Firefox 1.0/Windows XP

Re:Science Blog (1)

UID1000000 (768677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732055)

it was on Slashdot just the other day too:
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0 5/02/1 9/1434244&tid=191&tid=14
Study Points to Sixth Sense in Humans

Re:Science Blog (1)

ZeroZen (136166) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732024)

Turn ON your popup blocker.
I'm a moron.

Re:Science Blog (1)

UID1000000 (768677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732081)

Block Popup Windows ---- checked.

Is yours on? The default is on. I know that there are probably others ways to block popups in Firefox.

What do you use?

not here (0)

BinLadenMyHero (688544) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732045)

I opened that page, and not only no popup appeared, but also Firefox (1.0 on Linux) didn't show the notice about a blocked popup.

Re:Science Blog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732065)

You are 100% correct. I Posted about this yesterday. You have to scroll down the page a bit to get the popup. Only one per session.

Re:Science Blog (4, Informative)

servoled (174239) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732100)

Pop-up free for me, but adblock did block two javascript items which is probably why. With a combination of adblock [mozdev.org] and userContent.css [gozer.org] in firefox I'm still pop-up ad free.

You might want to try something similar. If things get really desparate, using an blocking HOSTS [mvps.org] file can help as well.

Re:Science Blog (1)

dookiesan (600840) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732106)

I got one at that site too. Running version 1.0 under windows XP.

Firefox noticed there was a popup, said it blocked it, but then displayed it anyway.

Also happening in Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731959)

Confirmed. I've seen it for quite some time now. I just thought I was having illusions...
Does IE block them?

Re:Also happening in Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732109)

Believe it or not...yes, at least on the few that I've tried. I've been using Firefox virtually exclusively for a while now, and I was expecting stuff like this to happen now that the market share is becoming sizable.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/index.php
http:/ /www.drudgereport.com/

These 2 get zero popups with IE, but have popups on Firefox (sometimes only if you click a link on Drudge). Posted anonymously as I will doubtless be branded a liar, zealot, MS Apologist, etc......

X10 (2)

calebtucker (691882) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731962)

So do those X10 camera ads still exist? I know they used to annoy the heck out of me, but it's been at least 2 years since I've seen one of those ads. I hope they don't come back.

Re:X10 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731984)

get yours here!!

http://www.x10.com/products4/vk66a_ab49_lpd_cj.h tm

hahaha

i hated those too.

PS. Please don't beat up my sig. :)

correct terminology (5, Funny)

isecore (132059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731963)

it turns out that the pop-up advertisers (what's the proper denigrating term here?)

Poppers? Plippers? Flippers? Flappers? Wippers? Snappers?

Sorry, kinda high on Red Bull right now.

Oh man... (5, Funny)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731964)

...am I lucky.

Lynx is, and continues to be, the ultimate browser for ad-less internet browsing.

Take that, 21st century!

Re:Oh man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732032)

Lynx is, and continues to be, the ultimate browser for ad-less internet browsing.

No, it isn't. Links [mff.cuni.cz] is better :P

Patched (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731966)

Im sure it wont be long before browser popup blockers are upgrade to block these new methods... never fear a coder is here... :)

I don't see a problem here... (5, Informative)

IO ERROR (128968) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731967)

Hm, Firefox's built-in pop-up blocking hasn't yet failed to block a pop-up ad, and the Adblock extension has gotten all the rest, once the offending sites were added to its blacklist. I rarely see an ad anymore, of any type, unless I'm looking for it.

In any event, it's going to be something of an arms race between advertisers and pop-up blockers. Ideally, these jerkwad marketers should realize that people using pop-up blockers do not want to see their ads and display them to someone else who does want to see them. If they can find anyone like that.

Re:I don't see a problem here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732003)

Seriously. I haven't seen an ad (popup/graphic) in Opera for months, either. Anyone have a link to these magic blocker-defeating pop-ups?

Re:I don't see a problem here... (2, Funny)

MutantHamster (816782) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732043)

Oh, you naive web-user. They already know that nobody likes pop-ups, at this point they're just doing it out of spite.

Re:I don't see a problem here... (2, Informative)

FuturePastNow (836765) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732072)

It's failed for me. I've seen a few popups in Firefox (and Safari) this week, for the first time since I've used those browsers. Fortunately, Adblock sometimes keeps the messages from appearing, so all I get is a blank window. But it's still annoying.

Anxiously awaiting a fix.

Re:I don't see a problem here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732091)

For most cases, Firefox's popup blocking works great and doesn't let any through.

There are a few sites, though, that do still get popups, and they're sneaky at that; instead of just popping up in the middle of the screen, you get your popups all the way to the bottom right. Really hard to notice until you look at how many windows are currently open.

Then again, for some reason, those fail to load properly... Firefox is still my number 1, I guess!

Re:I don't see a problem here... (1)

asavage (548758) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732093)

The only time I ever get a pop up in firefox is when I disable adblock to view a page that isn't loading properly and then forget to turn it back on.

Re:I don't see a problem here... (1)

RM6f9 (825298) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732122)

"display them to someone else who does want to see them. If they can find anyone like that." All you're accomplishing with the above is moving the battle to the search engines, where these irritants use various tricks to get their crap-tacular sites placed ahead of people who don't stoop to trickery, but just want to get their sites legitimately listed. As long as there are people willing to buy from companies that use pop-up ads, as long as there are webmasters willing to whore their sites out for a few extra bucks in revenues for "serving" pop-up ads, this set of problems will persist. Eventually, there will be competing "White-list" search directories, who only list sites relevant to directory terms and who do not link to unsafe sites nor serve popups, popunders, nor gateway pages/links to places that do... How long would it take to re-do dmoz.org?

Hmmm... (2, Informative)

TWX (665546) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731971)

I haven't had any popup ad troubles yet (Mozilla on Linux/x86) but the first time I tried to click on the "Read More" link below the story from Slashdot's main page, the web browser spontaneously closed itself. Interesting feature...

poopups (1)

kaens (639772) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731972)

I use firefox, I see pop-ups every once in a while....a long while. Who didn't expect them though?

I mean as pop-up blockers gain in popularity, those who write pop-ups are going to figure out ways of circumventing the blockers.

Duh.

Popup Business (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731977)

And you meddling kids thought you could keep my popup ads from ever working again.

How it mostly works (5, Informative)

BWS (104239) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731978)

Fundamentally, most browsers allows popup if it is cuased by a click. (eg, you click on a link and a popup window occurs).. So what they have done is figured around that. They wrap all links around javascript calls, it changes your current page to the new destination and popups up a new window (that's an ad). Here's some code I did that popups up 5 windows in Firefox..
<html>
<head>
<title>Test Page</title>
<script type="text/javascript">
function goLink(t1, t2){
window.open(t1, "pop1", "name=a1,width=400,height=400,left=10,top=10");
window.open(t1, "pop2", "name=a2,width=400,height=400,left=40,top=40");
window.open(t1, "pop3", "name=a3,width=400,height=400,left=70,top=70");
window.open(t1, "pop4", "name=a4,width=400,height=400,left=100,top=100");
window.open(t1, "pop5", "name=a5,width=400,height=400,left=130,top=130");
window.location = t2;
}
</script>
</head>
<body>

<A HREF="javascript:goLink('http://www.google.com','h ttp://www.fark.com')">Go TO Fark.com</A>
</body>
</html>

Re:How it mostly works (4, Funny)

BWS (104239) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732009)

mistake in the code

the HREF line should read
<A HREF="javascript:goLink('http://www.google.com','h ttp://www.fark.com')">Go TO Fark.com</A>
basically, produces popups whenver you click on a link

Re:How it mostly works (4, Funny)

BWS (104239) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732030)

arg.. that's suppose to be (no spaces between http)
A HREF="javascript:goLink('http://www.google.com','h ttp://www.fark.com')">Go TO Fark.com</A>

Re:How it mostly works (3, Informative)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732050)

It's something that /. does.. with a UID that low you should be aware of it.

Re:How it mostly works (1)

BWS (104239) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732069)

thank you, I was thinking WTF? I thought it was right the first and second time, and definately right the 3rd time..

Re:How it mostly works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732067)

welcome to the lameness filter

Re:How it mostly works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732012)

Why are you teaching all the lamers how to defeat the mighty Firefox? You're like the CNN reporter who goes on and on about the ways in which terrorists could potentially attack us.

Re:How it mostly works (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732016)

u r very smart but very very evil... ....

Re:How it mostly works (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732046)

Works in Konqueror if your pop up policy is set to "smart" as you'd expect. Doesn't pop up anything in Konqueror if you either "deny" all pop ups or deny pop ups for the site.

Which makes me wish... (1)

Nik13 (837926) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732111)

even more that there was soem way to diable JavaScript on some sites using a blacklist. Not only for popups, but some sites have some crap that manage to bring the cpu of a 2.4GHz box to 100% with a couple windows open and make surfing painfully slow. Mostly for scollders and animations and other unwanted junk. Would be nice to have a firefox extension for that.

Why??? (3, Insightful)

Avenger337 (840754) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731982)

Why do advertisers/companies think that annoying the hell out of people is a good way to make money?????

pop-unders? yeah (3, Insightful)

ALpaca2500 (125123) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731983)

the macfixit article mentions that these are pop-under ads. i definitely have noticed a few of these in the past week, using firefox on windows...

it really confused me, since like the submitter, i havent really seen anything like it for over a year...

First noticed this.... (2, Informative)

saihung (19097) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731985)

while browsing macslash.org, oddly enough. Fortunately there's nothing really interesting enough to justify the annoyance. The best way to fight this is to stop using pages that have these, and to let the owners know why you're not giving them your eyeballs any more. Scratch that, the BEST way is to find out what's powering these new ads and kill it on the browser. Ad arms race (again), here we come!

They just don't get it, do they? (4, Insightful)

Stealth Potato (619366) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731987)

We go through all this trouble to block pop-up ads, and they come up with some way to cram them through our browsers anyway. What's the point? Do they really think I'm going to buy anything from them, when it was me who installed an alternate browser/pop-blocker add-on so I'd never ever have to come into contact them in the first place?

It's sorta like this:

"SCREW YOU, POPUP-BLOCKING BASTARD!! Now buy our cheap cameras.

...Please?"

Hmm...

Wouldn't it be nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11731994)

If there was a secure replacement for javascript in browsers? The inherent insecurity of javascript has been known for about 10 years; and it's only that the slimball advertisers are getting around to it.

Goodness knows what the talented crackers (who don't want to be caught) have done.

Drudge (3, Insightful)

jimmyCarter (56088) | more than 9 years ago | (#11731996)

Drudgereport [drudgereport.com] seems to pop for me on Firefox all of a sudden. It just started happening w/in the last week.

is firefox more secure or just not exploited yet? (1)

distantbody (852269) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732002)

today in firefox i was subject to a popup. the first one using firefox since installation 4 months ago. i understand that firefox is more secure than IE because it doesnt run ActiveX scripts, and for some other reasons. i currently enjoy surfing with firefox, but is it just a matter of time before exploits are found so virii, popups etc. make surfing the web a living hell once again, or are the benifits of firefox infalable? GAWD HELP US IF POPUPS RETURN!!

fyi, opera not affected :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732005)

just wanted tp rub it in :)

Sigh (1)

kdogg73 (771674) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732008)

It was nice while it lasted. Kinda reminds me of that national "Do not call list." They will get through to us.

Adaptation (4, Funny)

Elpacoloco (69306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732017)

So....how long before firefox develops a popup blocker blocker blocker?

I think I just confused myself. Yikes.

Mushroom mushroom (5, Funny)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732080)

So....how long before firefox develops a popup blocker blocker blocker?

Blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, pop-up, pop-up

Blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, blocker, ARGH! Spam! A spam!

(apologies to weebl [badgerx3.com])

For Firefox (1)

jonfields (643711) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732019)

With Firefox, you should consider downloading the Adblock extension. That will pretty much block any advertising blockups. I haven't gotten any since i installed this huge multi-hundred line code.

Bust 'em. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732020)

Deliberately exceeding privilege on an access-controlled computer is a violation of the Computer Fraud & Abuse Act. By setting "no pop-ups" on my browser, I have explicitly stated the level of privilege Web sites are permitted. By using a hole in the browser to circumvent this restriction, a site does the very same thing as an attacker who uses an exploit in a daemon or PHP script to break into a computer. I see no reason not to treat the operators of such malicious sites as common computer criminals.

tis true (3, Insightful)

ronsta (815765) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732022)

Having long been a loyal Firefox fan, I thought i'd seen the end of pop-ups after I left IE...that bitch. Turns out not only have they defeated the pop-up blockers, but they have moved on from even java-based ads to weird ones. Check out the example at www.drudgereport.com (that site is notorious for pop-ups). It's another one of those cat & mouse games. Once they programmers plug a pop-up hole, the advertisers will work harder (afterall, their wallet depends on it) to develop a new means of displayer their content. This leads me to one conclusion: Advertisers will become more selective of where to put their ads. On the one hand, it could be profitable to have your ads everywhere if you appeal to every audience... I think several advertisers realized long ago that placing a penis enlargement ad on the weightlifting section of www.sportsauthority.com or on www.gnc.com would prove more profitable than Hello Kitty ads on Slashdot. Ad space will not become more valuable if there is an arms race between programmers and advertisers. The great and horrible thing about something like Windows is that it's limited in its possibilities. It is what it is, so advertisers have to work with what they have. If the exploits are all gone, there are even fewer possibilities for advertising. In other words, advertising must be legit: no more registry hacks and spyware. Given this environment of ad-resistant browsers, there's a huge problem: sites like NYTIMES.COM, Yahoo, etc. that have huge amounts of traffic but few forms of revenue other than ads will have to make a choice: do they stop advertising altogether and abandon that model or do they ask all visiting users to respect their ad policy and disable ad-blocking features. This would be monumental because it would depend on the willingness of the consumer to be advertised to. What I suspect would happen after that is NYTIMES (just an example) would offer premium services that they have not yet developed now (image-laden news feeds to next generation cell phones, perhaps). Once again, competition does force companies to respect the lowest bidder in a way. If google chose to give its new operating system away in 2006, MS would be forced to think about giving a version of Windows away for free. So if a major news outlet chose to do away with the ad-based model, all others would be forced to follow suit to keep their readership. Pretty amazing. I wonder where it will take us. Your thoughts?

Adblock and Firefox (4, Informative)

MightyPez (734706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732023)

Lately I've been hearing complaints by people using Firefox of some sites having pop-ups come up again. The biggest complaint coming from people that visit The Drudge Report [drudgereport.com]. I too have seen them.

However, ever since I started using the Adblock [mozdev.org] extension, as well as keeping an updated list of definitons [geocities.com], I haven't had these problems lately.

Re:Adblock and Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732074)

A better solution: Stop going to DR. Seriously, Matt Drudge is a moron.

Re:Adblock and Firefox (-1, Flamebait)

MightyPez (734706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732102)

It was an example. Don't like the politics of Drudge? Don't visit the site. Ass.

Damn Macs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732029)

They port the pop-ups but they don't port the games.

Haw-Haw! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732033)

Serves you right for using a fucking mac!
Sieg Heil Mein Fuhrer Bill Gates!
Kill the undesirables!
DEATH TO SUBHUMAN JEWISH SCUM!

What's the matter with advertisers?! (4, Insightful)

FunWithHeadlines (644929) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732036)

How clueless must advertising executives be? Serious question, so if anyone reading this works in advertsing, would you please explain this to me:

How does defeating a measure designed to block your ads make good business sense? Does forcing your ads upon someone known to hate your approach produce good results? Does irritation equal a higher rate of return because people who hate your ads see them and have a change of heart? Do they say, "Hey, I had no idea those hateful ads were so interesting and useful to me. I think I'll buy their product."

Cuz my instinct is that when a person takes active efforts to banish you from their lives, forcing your way into their living rooms isn't a cost-effective approach. But hey, I don't work in advertising, as anyone who reads my About page on the headlines site knows. I like advertising in its place, but c'mon, if I kick you out of my house, stay there, please.

Pop unders (0, Redundant)

minimunchkin (838824) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732037)

This issue has been flying around the mac sites for a day or so. It seemed at first that 10.3.8 had broken Safari - but it soon turns out that Camino, Firefox, IE and Shiira are also affected. A few people are saying that their Firefox isn't broken - but mine is. YMMV. It is not a Mac thing though. It's that same on Windoows. You can disable Javascript or forward date your cookies - but if anyone has an easy wayto deal with this I'm interested.

Seems like a losing game to me... (4, Interesting)

DeadScreenSky (666442) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732042)

The Internet ad industry is causing an arms-race they won't be able to win. If the increasingly popular pop-up (or pop-under really in this case) blockers start getting defeated, that is just going to force the average browser user to start using a custom Hosts file of some kind to block nearly all ads [google.com]. There isn't too much the ad industry can do about that, IMO, with the possible exception of making the ads come from the same server as the content. This will be okay for some sites, but I can't imagine too many people will want to give up that much control over their sites.

(But maybe that control is the ultimate plan of the ad industry - it would really make things easier on them...)

Me Too (2, Interesting)

babba (736335) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732051)

I've recently seen popunder ads for GoToMyPC. Using Firefox 1.0. I was on quite a few sites at the time, so not sure which did it, but I did see a site: paypopup.com included in my history. My best guess is that the popunder was triggered by an onclick event over a hidden link (I often click a page in an empty spot to make sure it has the focus before wheel scrolling). I have some of the "move or resize windows" disabled, so I didn't even notice the popunder for a while, was hidden at the bottom right hand corner of the monitor. Only after I maximized that that I saw it was a GotomyPC ad.

hosts file (1)

Metasquares (555685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732053)

I have yet to see a popup manage to get past a hosts file entry :)

On the other hand, if the popups are coming from the same site that you're browsing, that isn't possible.

Keep in mind: Flash is very ad-friendly (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732054)

Keep in find that the flash plugin is very ad-friendly; for example, while it is possible to stop non-stop animated GIFs in Firefox (using a hidden pref in about:config, sigh), it is not possible to stop non-stop animating Flash. Flash can also do what pop-ups do, and fill up your web browsing screen and otherwise act like a pop-up.

There is a plugin that allows selective disabling of flash in Firefox. I just completely disable flash myself; I don't go to any sites that need it (thankfully, the trend of flash-only sites, which hit its peak in 2001 or so, is going away).

Yep (1)

squatex (765966) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732058)

I started noticing this a couple months ago at experts exchange. Since then Ive notcied it on an ever increasing number of sites.

JavaScript Off (0, Troll)

Space_Soldier (628825) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732061)

"In fact, it turns out that the pop-up advertisers (what's the proper denigrating term here?) have finally defeated the pop-up blocking functionality found in many browsers."

I want to see them beating me turning off JavaScript. I hate you, you cunts!

Return of the king ... (1)

karvind (833059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732071)

So this is the last part of the sequel .. Frodo will destroy the precisious pop-ups !!! Keep faith ... really.

pop-ups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732073)

It had been so long since I'd seen a pop-up, I completely forgotten how annoying they can be.

You need to hit the gay bars more often.

My Experience (2, Informative)

spamguy (691996) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732083)

My heart dropped when I experienced my first popup ad in several years with Camino. It was one of the subversive, makes-me-want-to-hate-humanity-more ones: it hides outside the range of the screen, so it tracks your movements while you are blissfully unaware. Luckily I caught its existence with OS X.3's Exposé feature. F2, click on offending window, hit command-W makes short work of it.

Urge to download...NCSA Mosaic...rising...

One step ahead of them (1)

3.09 a hour (812839) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732089)

www.popuptest.com Firefox once defeated this website with ease, now it shows em all :( Unfortunetly these days you have to take a agressive stance with popups, by constintly updating programs/plugins, or they start to show up more and more. Heres to hoping theres a new version of firefox soon!

Flash based pops.. (1)

slashkitty (21637) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732096)

Some of the new popups I've seen are flash based. Luckly, I have the firefox flash block plugin. It just adds an annoying little flash notice at the top of pages trying to open windows.

Ads, but no pop-up/unders... (1)

freitasm (444970) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732098)

I understand blocking pop-up/unders, but there are some problems here. First this can hinder some sites that do use this functionality (like spawning a new window for a secure bank interaction) useless.

Second, some people mistakenly take BLOCK POP-UP/UNDERS with BLOCK ADVERTISE. Not all advertise is bad. How would my site survive without it? How would Slashdot survive without it?

The problem is that on blocking the pop-up/under series, most software also block banner advertising. While this could be a good thing in terms of performance years ago, with current take up on broadband it does cause a hit in publishing sites that rely on advertising to survive.

Thank goodness! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732099)

pop-up-blocking features, including the latest versions of Safari, FireFox, Mozilla, OmniWeb, and Camino


At least IE is still safe, as always!

Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732104)

those of us using the Proxomitron [proxomitron.info] continue to ignore *all* advertising.

Not too smart eh? (1)

comwiz56 (447651) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732105)

Don't they realize that the people blocking the ads dont want to look at them in the first place, and therefor probably wont click on them?

Probably not wise (1)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732116)

If they're this insistent about showing ads to people in a form people have clearly taken specific steps to avoid seeing, people are just going to move to "real" ad-blocking software that actually blocks the ad files themselves, whereas if the advertisers had not gotten greedy and satisfied for just displaying inline ads for these people they wouldn't have done anything at all...

Personally I almost sometimes think ability to use non-basic (like, other than simple form validation and access) javascript should be restricted to a whitelist, or something. It would be interesting to have a firefox plugin or something that displays a button that when a site starts trying to use javascript turns red, and I have to click it before they let the javascript run...

Popups and Yahoo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732125)

I don't know if this is related to popup blocking (I use Firefox with Adblock), but Yahoo mail has been slow as molasses the last 3 days. Recently, I've had to disable Norton Internet Security just to open my Yahoo Inbox. Could it be an effort to punish those with blocking software?

Very annoying (1)

goodgoing (810124) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732128)

I've also been having this problem occasionally while browsing with Firefox. One would think that text based ads (adsense, one of it's clones) would be a much better way to advertise, as it isn't blocked by default in most browsers.

An email to the website's admin expressing your disapproval might get them to change their minds. After all, any website worth visiting will be created for it's visitors, not spammy advertising.

Dammit. (1)

dauthur (828910) | more than 9 years ago | (#11732129)

Yeah, the popups have been getting more frequent on Firefox on some sites, and there's a lot of new flash banner-ads with extremely loud videos embeded in them... and they usually advertise things you don't want blasted from speakers like that new "Invisi-bra" thingy. It's just another form of Spam that noone wants, but everyone gets.

Pop-unders on Zophar's Domain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11732131)

The pop-under ad on Zophar's Domain [zophar.net] has thoroughly pissed me off. If you do as little as click on ANYTHING on that page, you get this annoying pop-under ad that has audio.
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