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Which is Better, Firefox or Opera?

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the fat-lady-slender-fox dept.

The Internet 937

Roblimo writes "Firefox and Opera are the two most popular cross-platform Web browsers. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages. Kris Shaffer tested them side-by-side on SUSE Linux 9.1, Mac OS X Panther, and Windows 2000, and decided that your choice may depend more on what you *do* with your browser than anything else, unless (as is the case for many of us) Opera is off the table from the start because it's not open source."

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Have you guys heard about (5, Funny)

ellem (147712) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569341)

Internet Explorer? It rules! You know if you want to do banking and stuff. ;)

Re:Have you guys heard about (3, Insightful)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569470)

Moderators:

This is not an offtopic post.

For instance, if there was an article on slashdot debating whether Windows or MacOS-X was better, a poster talking about the advancement of Linux, Gnome and KDE would be marked insightful.

Yes, the parent post is a little bit sarcastic, but just because it doesn't jive with the slashdot "groupthink" mentality of Microsoft being evil doesn't mean it should be flagged offtopic.

And yes, IE is cross-platform too, just on a much more limited scale.

Plus, the choice of websites one can visit SHOULD be a factor in browser use. IE can visit some sites that require ActiveX, and Firefox / Opera can render properly sites that require better CSS2 support. Simple as that.

The point of responses to news posts is to evoke discussion. If this post inspires a +5 insightful response, then is it really that bad, or offtopic?

Re:Have you guys heard about (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569579)

IE can visit some sites that require ActiveX, and Firefox / Opera can render properly sites that require better CSS2 support.

True, but I expect that IE has some advantage too.

haha... yes, with javascript and activex on... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569475)

oh boy oh boy oh boy, i am sharing my account with the world XD

Re:Have you guys heard about (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569500)

Firefox is not in any way fast.

Not on Linux when compared to Opera (which is fast).

Not on Windows when compared to Internet Explorer.

Admit this, you fucking Mozilla-whoring-zealot fanbois and Ruby-On-Rails-"I want to go into IT"-webcam-cunts.

Uhh... what? (5, Interesting)

Liselle (684663) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569343)

I'm an Opera fan (you wanna fight about it?) and I was eager to read this article. Am I the only one who felt it ended pretty abruptly, without actually covering anything? All TFA covered was look-and-feel, RSS, and a couple of little things like ad blocking and Opera's Quick Prefs.

He didn't touch Notes, of the panels, or the hot bar, or the way they each handle tabs, cookies, the Wand, granularity of popup blocking, proxy servers, the Transfers window (and how Opera/Firefox handle downloads in general), the user-customizable CSS and link style in Opera (does Firefox have something comparable? I wish he covered it so I would know!), Opera's Zoom, quick enabling-disabling of images, methods of caching (including Opera's "delete private data" button), Opera's in-line search functionality, saving "sessions", crash recovery, little neat things like making a page printer friendly with one button...I could go on all day!

I mean no offense to Mr. Shaffer, but this article is really lacking in content. I expected something more along the lines of the 30 Days to Becoming an Opera Lover [tntluoma.com] site (which is for version 7) in terms of depth. Very disappointing. I hope that Slashdot's Opera/Firefox lovers can at least turn this into a nice discussion in the comments. I missed a ton of features, but you can use my little rant up there as a starting point.

Re:Uhh... what? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569454)

Your post was too long for my attention span, so I didn't read past the first paragraph.

Re:Uhh... what? (5, Interesting)

Liselle (684663) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569499)

... and browsing completely by keyboard, and customizable mouse gestures (I understand Firefox has this as an extension, how good is it?), and the fast forward button (brilliant!), special style sheets (like text-only, blocking certain-size images, no tables, high contrast, show images/link only, etc), the M2 mail client, spellcheck.

This is stuff I thought of right after I posted the parent, and I know I am missing more.

Re:Uhh... what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569501)

And an all-important one, IMO:
Mouse Gestures and chords.

They're the first major change in how the mouse has been used pretty much since it's invention and they work brilliantly.

NoClue

Re:Uhh... what? (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569580)

My mouse has back and forward buttons.

(zing!)

Which is better? In a word... (-1, Offtopic)

enigma48 (143560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569344)

Yes.

Re:Which is better? In a word... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569419)

you're wrong, the answer is: BLUE.

Ad Supported (1, Interesting)

uglysad (867575) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569350)

Opera - Ad supported Firefox - Free take your pick

Firefox (1, Interesting)

devross (524605) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569356)

No stupid ads.

Re:Firefox (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569418)

Free as in free beer and free as in free speech. Can't beat that with a little swimming.

Re:Firefox (1)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569464)

I agree, I could never get over the adds all the time. Adverisements all over web sites, advertisements all over my browser. The only thing worse would be if the rest of my OS started trying to sell me viagra or what the hell ever.

Why doesn't Microsoft buy Opera? (5, Interesting)

bergeron76 (176351) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569359)

If they did, they'd have a cross-platform browser and it could remain closed source.

Re:Why doesn't Microsoft buy Opera? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569396)

Probably because it would be like admitting Opera is better than IE.

Re:Why doesn't Microsoft buy Opera? (3, Funny)

QQoicu2 (797685) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569426)

They've already got a cross-platform closed-source browser - IE for the Mac.

Re:Why doesn't Microsoft buy Opera? (2, Informative)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569449)

They've already got a cross-platform closed-source browser - IE for the Mac.

And IE for UNIX. Of course all of the aforementioned products have been abandoned.

Re:Why doesn't Microsoft buy Opera? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569472)

Opera is very popular in Europe and
people want to keep it that way, and
it is only in the West everything can
be bought and scrapped.

Re:Why doesn't Microsoft buy Opera? (2, Insightful)

gregfortune (313889) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569591)

Huh? They don't make money off their browser. Why would they want to provide a browser that allows people to pick a different OS/Office/etc?

I know! (0)

AyeRoxor! (471669) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569362)

Opera!

No, Firefox!

Yeah. Firefox. Well, there you have it.

Re:I know! (2, Funny)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569435)

Bzzzzt. Sorry, it's vi.

No, wait, python - no, qmail ... debian ... turbo (bio)diesel ... Firefly!

Neither (4, Insightful)

Phil246 (803464) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569364)

Each browser has its uses.
Saying one is better then the other is silly.
However saying both are better then IE is truthful

Mod article -1, flamebait (3, Insightful)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569365)

Both have their merits and shortcomings. I believe no objective "better" exists.

Re:Mod article -1, flamebait (0)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569469)

Both have their merits and shortcomings. I believe no objective "better" exists.
Which is sorta what the article actually said if you actually bothered to read it.

Re:Mod article -1, flamebait (0, Offtopic)

Craig_P92669 (875776) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569532)

Its against the Slashdot Terms of Service Agreement to read an article before posting a comment.

Re:Mod article -1, flamebait (1)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569498)

Agreed.

This is why there are so many browsers. better yet, why there is so much software in general.

Everyone has their own opinion on what's best.

Better Question (1, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569369)

Did the Opera CEO have to go for a swim?

Re:Better Question (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569507)

His boat sank and he had to go back home. At least he tried... kind of...
http://www.opera.com/swim/ [opera.com]

Re:Better Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569571)

actually yeah, he went for a swim, then it just so happened that the PR manager who was following him with supplies on an inflatable raft nearly "accidentally" drowned, had to be saved by the "heroic" CEO, and thus the swim got cancelled! How convenient!

This just in this just in (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569370)

*old fashioned news ticker noise in the background*

This just in, this just in, in determining on which product in a category is best it depends on what the person/user does with said product...this just in, this just in....

;-)

Price (-1, Redundant)

rasty (212471) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569373)

If I'm not wrong, one of the two is completely free of charge ;)

Re:Price (1)

ValiantSoul (801152) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569556)

You are wrong. They are both free of charge. If you don't want ads, then Opera is not free of charge but then again you weren't being very specific.

Silly (5, Funny)

787style (816008) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569377)

unless (as is the case for many of us) Opera is off the table from the start because it's not open source

People who refuse to use a useful piece of software simply because it isn't open source make about as much sense as an Ethiopian refusing food because it isn't Kosher. It fits your needs, use it.

Re:Silly (0, Offtopic)

guamman (527778) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569444)

As it turns out, the largest population of black jews come from Ethiopia. Therefore, it's entirely reasonable that an Ethiopian wouldn't eat food that wasn't kosher.

Re:Silly (0, Offtopic)

Zentac (804805) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569456)

what are you saying? people should just sin to stay alive? I'm not fully familiar with the do's and don'ts of most religions but your statments seems very ignorent to me...

Re:Silly and wrong religion! (5, Informative)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569524)

it'd make slightly more sense if he'd said halal instead of Kosher (Ethiopia=borderline Islamic, Kosher is the Jewish food guide.. not that its much different), as the Qu'ran says that eating non-Halal food out of necessity to avoid starvation or sickness is no sin in God's eyes.

Disclaimer, IANAM - I just read the book out of curiosity

I would say (-1, Troll)

geekoid (135745) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569504)

someone who deters from philiosophical choice because of conveinance is nothing but an oportunist who would sell there own mother if the deal was good enough.

Re:I would say (0)

CoderBob (858156) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569528)

...and this is wrong...how?

if Opera is out.. (4, Insightful)

VolciMaster (821873) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569379)

There's not much you can compare to Firefox if you're going to oust non-OSS solutions. Firefox, Camino, Mozilla... all come from the same core code. Lynx is a text browser, so again not much comparison directly. About the only one I can come up with it Konqueror, which is KDE only

IS, Opera, Safari are all commercial, so they can't be compared if you're ignoring commercial products.

Re:if Opera is out.. (4, Interesting)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569552)

Personally I put the people who refuse to even consider a closed source application for purely ideological reasons (as indicated in the slashdot blurb) into the same little box as those corporate IT managers who refuse to consider opensource applications 'just because'.

Get some balls, man (4, Insightful)

Ochu (877326) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569389)

Am I the only one who gets pissed off at these "head-to-head" comparisons that don't have the guts to announce a winner? I musta read about 20 for the PS3 and Xbox 360, and one of them predicted a winner (PS3). I don't care if they are wrong, I just like an article to be concluded. None of this "well, they are both good" crap.

it's simple... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569392)

It's simple.....FireFox

Formats pages better than Opera and it's free.
What more could you ask for?

Re:it's simple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569522)

Opera or Oprah.. I get the 2 confused

Re:it's simple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569525)

Yeah. I have to admit that I downloaded Opera, but that was just to make their CEO take a dip in the ocean. I used it a couple of times, and now it sits idly eating up disk space while Firefox browses away for me.

IE? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569393)

IE :)

What does it matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569397)

Mozilla is better than either of them.

Well... (1)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569400)

Outside of the ads in Opera, I think it's more of a matter of opinion. I prefer Firefox, because Opera runs slow on this computer.

Ads (4, Insightful)

shamowfski (808477) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569401)

I don't want ads when I'm browsing let alone built into my browser. Firefox for me!

Two most popular?? (1)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569406)

Wait a minute... two most popular cross-platform browsers? Huh? I could have SWORE I had a copy of IE sitting in the applications folder on my mac. I guess it's only cross-platform if it crosses to your particular platform of choice, huh?

Re:Two most popular?? (5, Informative)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569463)

Unlike Opera and Firefox, the IE for Macintosh and the IE for Windows are really completely different browsers with different code, different sets of bugs, and the same name.

Re:Two most popular?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569480)

It also runs on Linux with Wine, and it runs much faster than any native Gecko-based browsers...

Re:Two most popular?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569492)

It's slashdot.
This means Cross-platform = linux and MS
This means apple sux(except that we are all closeted apple fanbois)
and For the record IE really does suck cocks in hell

Re:Two most popular?? (1)

rollboy35 (885030) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569531)

Yea that IE 5 MAC is a pretty spectacular cross-platform browser... Like saying "Phantom Menace" was a great movie...

Re:Two most popular?? (1)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569538)

IE/Windows and IE/Mac are not the same browser by any stretch of imagination; about the only thing similar is the name. And what about Linux? (IE/UNIX is long gone.)

Doesn't sound cross-platform to me.

tri-platform actually (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569557)

Internet Explorer 5.x was available until very recently as a free download for SCO Unix too. I believe IE6 is Windows-only though.

Re:Two most popular?? (1)

tchernobog (752560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569565)

The fact that IE has more users (on just Windows, mac users start using Safari over it) doesn't automatically make it "popular".

In fact, I would say it is the most _unpopular_ cross-platform browser.

Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569409)

Firefox because it is 100% open source, free software.

Not again. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569415)

This argument happens every single time an article that mentions something about web browsing appears on slashdot. Do we really any more flamewars on this topic?

Ready? Set? ... (-1, Offtopic)

IBeatUpNerds (827376) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569416)

Go! Let the flames commence! Mod this "article" -1, troll.

Lynx or Links? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569417)

Which is the better text browser?
Also, which is the better Operating System: Mac OSX or FreeBSD?
Who makes the better chipset? AMD or Intel (or Via, or IBM?)
Which is better: three button mouse or a two button mouse (or a one button mouse)?

wrong question (1, Troll)

Anonymouse Cownerd (754174) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569425)

'Which is better?' is the wrong question. The answer is 'The one with the larger marketshare' regardless of what the actual question may be - as this is the only thing that really matters.

Re:wrong question (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569549)

Wait, you're saying I should never have downloaded Firebird back in the day because Internet Explorer had a larger marketshare? But... I really like the lack of spyware... :^(

Firefox (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569428)

There you have it. Please mod this up +5 insightful.

long time ago, mouse pointer over link showed ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569432)

long time ago, mouse pointer over link showed the full url you were soon going to click on.

This was a really nice feature I valued many years ago.

I also use it all the time on fbsd. But lately more and more firefox. Via a binary package because the bitch does not compile from ports.

Fire it up. (1)

uberjoe (726765) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569443)

Boy are you asking for it. Never begin any question of slashdot with 'which is better?' Where did I leave my flame thrower?

Firefox comes first (1)

tchernobog (752560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569445)

Although both are wonderful products, I always found that Opera renders pages in a sloppy way, as well as it doesn't always respect w3c recommendations (even in its last release).

As pointed out, I'd continue using Firefox even if it was "worse" than Opera (because it's Free Software), but this lack of consistency by Opera is another heavy drawback.

Karma fags (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569447)

Geez, some of the comments get tagged as flamebait when they are an honest answer. Fucking morons need to learn how to interact with others and realise when somebody is expressing an opninon. You are as bad as those damn bible thumpers which go psycho on people who aren't with thier certain group.

The answer is obvious: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569450)

emacs.

Stupid, Pointless, tres Slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569451)


Again. Stupid, Pointless, tres Slashdot.

Firefox hands down! (4, Insightful)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569455)

Firefox has gestures, popup blocking, ad blocking, site scripting through GreaseMonkey [mozdev.org] , tabs, themes, a million other user written extensions that can enhance your web browser, strong community support, fast updates for security fixes. And it's free, free as in beer, free as in speech. What else could you ask for ?

According to Netcraft (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569457)

Opera is dying, so there you have it.

Easy... (0, Offtopic)

DoktorSeven (628331) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569460)

Operfox!

Or is that Firera?

Opera Lover (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569473)

I am a fan as in fanatic of Opera. It is my favorite program by far. It took a while to discover all that it can do but nothing else out there comes close. Yes there are a few sites that it has a problem with and for those I use Firefox or IE.

Summary was right for once (5, Interesting)

RedShoeRider (658314) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569478)

As a user of both Opera (since the 4.xx) days, and Firefox, the summary was right: it just depends on how you use your browser as to which one is better for you. For day-to-day work, I find Firefox somewhat better suited, as I come across fewer pages that misload, or don't have a lugin available. However, if I'm digging though pages and pages of pictures (such as photospot or, well, porn), Opera wins hands-down. Speed, speed, and more speed. Yes, Firefox is fast. But for flat pages or pictures, Opera (most of the time) takes everyone else to the cleaners.

The other side-advantage to using Opera for visiting less-than reputable sites is that chances are the site doesn't know how to exploit Opera, as it's (sadly) not really on the general populus's radar screen. I've waded though stuff that would require hip boots with Opera and came out smelling like a rose.

True, if it were open source it would be that much more wonderful, but as for closed-source programs, IMHO it's an example of a company Doing It Right.

Ummm... Hello? Porn... (0)

MikeBiesanz (867611) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569479)

The only thing that counts is how well pornsites come up and render! JEEZ! where have you guys been? *smile*

opera (1)

MrP-(at work) (839979) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569481)

ive been using opera since 4.x.. but only on-and-off.. it wasnt until 6.0 that i switched. 6.0 was amazing, as is 7, havent upgraded to 8 yet (i customized 7 so much im scared to upgrade.. same with 6 but i eventually did it)

i cant get used to firefox.. it has tabs but it still likes to open new windows sometimes.. opera is ALWAYS self contained in its own window

plus i think i have ocd and i hate change

Which is dumber... (0, Flamebait)

Shamanin (561998) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569487)

this article, this posting, or the comments regarding them

it's hard to choose

As Gates feared: The browser is the new OS (1)

rsborg (111459) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569488)

It's a frickin *platform*. Especially with everyone and their dog createing "webconsoles" even where it's extremely cumbersome. So it really does matter what you do with your OS^H^H browser. I usually read /., a few other blogs, my corporate webmail, and try to run some work sites on it. Firefox handles this fine, but I'm sure Opera would also. However, Opera does not have adblock or any of the "cool but marginally useful" things like context-menu web search... so I'm a bit hesitant to try it. If you're a web developer, I'm pretty sure Firefox is great (with all the dev tools builtin or avail as exts), but I'm not sure how Opera holds up.

Oh, and btw, the article was pretty lame... it should have compared at least a few use cases like "develop/test web pages" or "read webmail and view flash content" or "glaze your eyes at pr0n" (ok maybe not that one, tho it's probably the widest usecase for browsing there is).

obligatory AVP quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569489)

"No matter who wins....IE loses!"

In Korea, only old people use Opera (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569493)

Based on this evidence, I would say Firefox has the upper hand.

Neither (-1, Offtopic)

Palshife (60519) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569497)

vi.

Re:Neither (0, Troll)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569570)

Call me a softy, but I'm more fond of lynx. :)

AdBlock vs. Opera (2, Insightful)

MankyD (567984) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569505)

Funny that he chooses FF over Opera because of the AdBlock extension. Especially considering that, not only does Opera not have AdBlock, but it throws in a few banners of its own.

what about (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569509)

IE?
*ducks*

Opinion (1)

kissyfish (743236) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569511)

emacs is clearly superior to vi

Oh wait... Nevermind

No, the better choice is obviously (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569521)

Turd Sandwich.

Re:No, the better choice is obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569568)

With or without a side of ass-nuggets?

Internet Explorer is far better than both of those (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569537)

Only fags use Firefox or Opera!

ps anyone who mods this down is gay.

Simple Answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12569541)

Emacs.

I need Adblock (1)

birder (61402) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569543)

If Opera had a true Adblock equivilent (regex capable would be nice) it would be enough for me to switch. Even better if it had the extensibility Firefox does but I could live without the other extensions but not adblock.

interesting (1)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569545)

Interesting that he chose the most up-to-date versions (presumably firefox is listed merely as 1.0 not 1.0.x) of the browsers, but consistently used ond versions of the operating systems. Suse 9.1 has been superceded by Suse 9.3, Mac OS X 10.3 Panther by Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, and Windows 2000 by Windows XP SP2. Not that the versions of the OS within a platform is going to have a big impact, and presumably, the platform itself, but it just seems glaring to me. Kind of like testing MS Office 2003 and OpenOffice.org 2.0 on Windows 98 and RedHat 9 with wine

Ho-hum... (4, Insightful)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569547)

...unless (as is the case for many of us) Opera is off the table from the start because it's not open source."

So, you're not willing to consider software because it's not open source? Even when it might be (*gasp*)... better?

I love Opera. It's a sleek, fast, well designed browser with a terrific user interface. I'm also a full-time Linux user; while i like and support the open source "movement", i do it because it's simply a better OS (for me) than the alternatives. The price is right, of course, but that's not the main reason i chose it. At all. Just chose what's best for your needs. Then see if it's worth it's price. Opera is, for me.

I also like Firefox a lot. It's Mozilla sans-the-bloat, and renders pages very well. Still, it's much slower than Opera and the user interfase still needs polish. It does have some perks i'd love to see in Opera though (like AdBlock), but overall i keep gravitating to Opera. Specially because of the memory footprint and interfase (yes, i know FF supports things like mouse gestures via plugins, and that's why they are no good. Opera was built with that stuff in mind and integrates them perfectly).

Fire-what? (5, Funny)

krough (771131) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569560)

My company makes me use IE, you insensitve clod.

Extensions (1)

salmacis2 (643788) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569563)

I like Opera a lot, but there's one killer feature that it's missing, and that's extensions. I can't live without Adblock, Flash click-to-play and BugMeNot.

There are partial, unsatisfactory solutions to these problems with Opera, but why bother when Firefox makes it so easy? Same reason why I don't use Konqueror either.

Uh-oh (1)

photozz (168291) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569566)

LET THE HOLY WARS BEGIN!!!!!!

IE not in the race (3, Insightful)

superyooser (100462) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569574)

Notice that as Firefox and Opera compete for the lead, and Safari, Camino, Mozilla, and Konqueror speed behind, IE is not even in the race. It's been lapped five times while it was in the pit, and the driver just woke up.

what is Opera's value add? (1, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | more than 9 years ago | (#12569578)

What does it have that Firefox doesn't that is worth the expense?

OS issues aside.
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