Google Enters Web-Office Market 232
jaiva writes "Google's official blog tells us that Google has acquired Writely, a collaborative word processor." From the article: "To be clear, Writely is still in beta, and it's far from perfect. Upholding our great user experience means everything to us, so we're not accepting new registrations until we've moved Writely to Google's software architecture. If you're interested in giving us a try, we hope you'll get on the waitlist so we can let you know when you'll be able to try out Writely."
It's in beta? Great. (Score:5, Funny)
"What starts in beta, stays in beta"
Re:It's in beta? Great. (Score:4, Funny)
Login Info (Score:4, Informative)
Login: boston@dodgeit.com
Password: Boston
Enjoy! (Yes I tested it unless some troll changed the password. )
Re:Login Info (Score:2)
Re:Login Info (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Login Info (Score:2, Informative)
Sign In to Writely
The e-mail address and password you
entered do not match any users we know of.
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This is obvious... (Score:5, Funny)
A perfect into the Google product line.
Re:This is obvious... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:This is obvious... (Score:2)
Re:This is obvious... (Score:3, Funny)
(sorry)
Re:This is obvious... (Score:2, Interesting)
From the online tour, "Let me tell you, Writley is AMAZING. It's easy to use, efficient (it auto-saves once in awhile, but you can't tell it's so smooth), and perfect.
wiki killer? (Score:4, Interesting)
--Matt Wong
http://www.themindofmatthew.com [themindofmatthew.com]
Re:wiki killer? (Score:2, Insightful)
Coming in Moodle 1.6 (Score:3, Informative)
Actually there is a wysiwyg wiki in Moodle now, but the new one is better:-).
Get the beta here, [moodle.org] (get 1.6 for the wiki) :
And tell Google to hire us all, I mean shouldn't google have an LMS too?
I can't wait (Score:5, Insightful)
till i can upload my company files to an American advertising based company so they can rifle through our documents looking for whatever them or their goverment takes their fancy
yeah i can predict this will be a great success
Re:I can't wait (Score:5, Insightful)
I understand the point you're trying to make, but I really wouldn't mind having something like this. As a college student, I often have multiple unsynchronized copies of term papers in different places. A service like Writely helps keep everything up-to-date, and in one place.
As for privacy, if you want to search through my History of Science term paper, be my guest.
"be my guest..." (Score:2)
Re:I can't wait (Score:2)
OK, I'll bite.
WHY do you often have multiple unsynchronized copies of important documents laying around?
Are you really that disorganized that you can't keep track of a single copy?
Puzzled...
Re:I can't wait (Score:2)
Re:I can't wait (Score:2)
My point is that having multiple, possibly un-synchronized copies of ANY document is a logistical nightmare. Having lived through too many cases of "it works on MY system" where the problem turns out to be different versions of the "same" source code makes me cringe at the thought of anything other than One True Copy of a document being "live" at any given time.
Fo
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Re:I can't wait (Score:2, Insightful)
As others have pointed out before, the same applies to email, or just about any other activity online. And I think that that was the real jist of the grandparent post. Only put things on that the whole world could read; there are plenty of those and the service is useful.
Re:I can't wait (Score:2)
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And besides, the goverment will just be able to crack into your computer and take anything they want soon anyway. Why bother with Google?
Re:I can't wait (Score:3, Interesting)
Believe me, the typical user of Microsoft Office is even DUMBER! They carry around important documents on floppy disks and laptops, frequently misplacing both and sometime losing them. They e-mail their freaking Word and Excel files to each other anyway, up to the point where the files are so big they bounce. Finally they are often at the mercy of network administrators who don't give a ra
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Writely rites good! (Score:5, Funny)
Love, Gogle Developmint Teem
Re:Writely rites good! (Score:2)
Re:Writely rites good! (Score:2)
Re:To inter == to bury (Score:2)
pieces of a puzzle... (Score:5, Interesting)
1-Online Storage
2-Office Suite Program
3-Data Search
4-E-Mail, Chat
5-Entertainment (Video, Photos)
6-Online Sales ?7?-Games?? (is this a possibility down the line) A large sector with big potential
I'll be honest I am one who thinks that eventually we are going to be returning to dummy terminals, a lot of these items would support that. I think they have a bigger plan, and I think we are beginning to see pieces that fit together. But also they have one or two more cards they havent played yet.
Re:pieces of a puzzle... (Score:2, Funny)
So, you are switching back to Windows?
Kidding aside, I doubt we will switch to dummy terminals but it would certainly lessen the requirement of any particular OS.
Re:pieces of a puzzle... (Score:2)
Personally, I see us switching to dummy terminals to interface with computers, but home computers will still exist. The idea would be that the "Desktop Computer" as we know it today would disappear and be replaced by a device that is capable of video/audio I/O through devices like your televsion and stereo system (thus allowing you to "watch TV/listen to the Radio" off the Internet, or record your fa
Re:pieces of a puzzle... (Score:2)
This is often called "convergence", but I think "divergence" would be more appropos. It makes sense to create specialist devices from general-purpose stored program computers. An MP3 player is a computer. A GameBoy is a computer. A Non-contact Digital Thermometer with Laser Sig
Re:pieces of a puzzle... (Score:2)
Would that be like the Etch-a-Sketch that Dilbert's PHB has? (only desktop, not portable)
Re:pieces of a puzzle... (Score:5, Insightful)
So now google has expanded into other territory. Half of their services are in perpetual beta. Thanks to keyword spamming and gaming the google, their search results are often useless. Click fraud is very real.
Google is a threat, but they're a threat to themselves.
Re:pieces of a puzzle... (Score:2)
Re:pieces of a puzzle... (Score:2)
Google has very much _not_ made that mistake. Their front page is about as simple as it can get.
Re:pieces of a puzzle... (Score:2)
Check out Spore (Score:2)
Check out spore [google.com]. Ok, so it's not from Google, but it is hosted on their page. I'm posting this link because it just looks like such a cool idea.
Willy
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Re:pieces of a puzzle... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:pieces of a puzzle... (Score:2)
The purpose of an IT department is to support the company's users so they can do their jobs better and consequently make the company more profitable. In those companies that have lightweight office suite needs, a browser-based application may be fine. For those that require a more sophisticated application, it won't do.
In either case, the needs of the money-generating employees should be the deciding factor, not the wor
A collaborative reply. (Score:4, Funny)
A collaborati^H^H^Hative environment is the^H^H^H only good if you hate^H^H^H^H trust the people you are working with.
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I have used my share of realtime collaborative environments. For some reason, someone is always immature enough to start drawing rude pictures or writing pointless statements.
While I realize it isn't always the case, I find that half of the people I collaborate with online are in the same building. Come visit, lets go for a coffee and work on the same document there.
Right Direction (Score:4, Interesting)
Google's suite... (Score:2, Insightful)
They already have lots of "products" in common (Score:2)
Because if Word Processors are the only thing they compete on, something else must have changed.
Re:Google's suite... Suits Google Fine... (Score:2)
Papers: Wallstreet disappointed in ms share erosion due to Google products being releases one after another...
ms: (Chortling) We'll reverse our losses! We'll BUY GOOGLE!
Papers: In a stunning REversal, ms share price rises..
(2 days later)
Papers: For the first time, a company refusing to be bought out publicly stated before journalists: FUCK YOU microsoft!
(1 hour later)
Papers: In a stunning TRAversal, Wallstreet HAMMERS the shit out of ms shares...
In other news... Dove was found to contain no
Writely Technology? (Score:3, Insightful)
Will this save them appreciable time? They will have to do a rewrite or be based on Microsoft technology (yeah, right).
Re:Writely Technology? (Score:5, Interesting)
Will this save them appreciable time? They will have to do a rewrite or be based on Microsoft technology (yeah, right).
I doubt they will do a rewrite. Probably get it running in Mono/Linux if anything. Orkut is written in ASP.Net, but I believe they run it in Mono/Linux.
Re:Writely Technology? (Score:2)
Re:Writely Technology? (Score:2)
Which is to say, he figured out how to call "document.designMode = 'On';" and use execCommand [microsoft.com] to make his toolbar buttons work. (The font sizes listed in 1-7 are always a dead giveaway.)
I'm not impressed.
Re:Writely Technology? (Score:2)
I find that hard to believe, given that it was invented for Internet Explorer. (That's why the link I posted was to Microsoft.com)
Perhaps you meant that he's figured out how to do essentially the same thing on Mozilla, in which case you may be right (IANAP).
From the source code [georgenava.com]:
Re:Writely Technology? (Score:2)
I think sooner or later, someone will release a Firefox extension to access Writely, maybe even Google will do it. It sure will more responsive than Ajax.
Best features (Score:5, Informative)
From their FAQ:
* Upload Word documents, OpenOffice, RTF, HTML or text (or create documents from scratch).
* Use our simple WYSIWYG editor to format your documents, spell-check them, etc.
* Invite others to share your documents (by e-mail address).
* Edit documents online with whomever you choose.
* View your documents' revision history and roll back to any version.
* Publish documents online to the world, or to just who you choose.
* Download documents to your desktop as Word, OpenOffice, RTF, PDF*, HTML or zip.
* Post your documents to your blog.
Re:Best features (Score:2, Interesting)
What's old is new... (Score:5, Funny)
"a collaborative word processor that runs in a web browser"
This sort of app is awfully reminiscent of The World Wide Web, written by Tim Berners-Lee at Cern a while back. Anything ever come of that...?
best quote (Score:4, Funny)
She sounds like Napoleon after starting the war against russia, or maybe Einstein telling someone time is relative and space is bent.
Oh my GOD, sharing DOCUMENTS??? REVOLUTION! Someone call Nobel. He has TO GIVE HER A PRICE.
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OK. $699 and she's yours.
gOffice.com (Score:2)
Writely pros + cons (Score:5, Informative)
Pros
* Good, clean user interface
* Access documents from anywhere (main reason I use it)
* Don't lose your documents if your PC dies
* Sharing documents is good when planning things in groups
Cons
* Privacy issues
* Not as feature rich as Word
Privacy wasn't really a concern of mine, mainly because the documents I work on aren't highly confidential -- I'm not writing down my PIN numbers and not plotting evil plans.
Features I'd like them to add include: user-defined styles, ability to copy/paste graphics, and improved table layouts. So far though, it's pretty good.
In other words, check it out once it's open again.
Lacks tab stops even (Score:2)
I thi
Writely Vs Word (Score:3, Insightful)
Microsoft already whipped most opposition to it. Also, after development is this going to be free or is the consumer going to end up paying for the privelege?
It appears more and more apparent that Google is basing their business model on Microsoft (acquire and re-badge).
I'd love to see Google actually take the fight to Microsoft on something that Microsoft has not traditionally been strong at and show them how it should be done. Show them that they are innovaters and not just tagging along on already established software. Trying and compete with them on this front is almost a lost cause.
Re:Writely Vs Word (Score:2)
The key question is -- do you think we are moving to a server-centric world? For 20 years the home PC has been the key focus, but as broadband (always on) connections become ubiquitous and speeds increase, the disadvantages of doing things server-side declines.
My view is that we are moving towards a world where more things reside server-side, and Google will lead in this area.
For businesses, I think they'd em
Re:Writely Vs Word (Score:5, Insightful)
How about:
Search (Google>MSN or Windows Live)
E-mail (Gmail>Hotmail)
Desktop Search (G. Desktop>Windows Indexing Service. We'll see about Vista)
Corporate Intranet Search (Google Enterprise>WDS Enterprise)
What about Google Scholar, or Google Answers?
What about Google Wifi?
Google's good at search. Really good. They've made a LOT of money with search, and "search" technologies are the kind of thing you can integrate into most any application, and cross-applications as well.
Thus, when Google wants to compete with Microsoft, why bother building a new solution, when they can purchase a company that builds a great solution, but is financially incapable of competing with Microsoft?
Buy Keyhole. Add Search.
Buy Hello+Picassa. Add Search.
Buy Blogger. Add Search.
Build on Jabber. Add Search.
See the trend?
Add a program to the Google palette, make it interoperate with the other Google apps, and move on.
Writely is a nice product. It produces Word and OpenOffice.org compatible output. It's a good enough wordprocessor for 99% of people. And as a web app, Google can integrate it into Gmail, Blogger, hell, Google Talk. Add in search. Add in online storage.
See the Google strategy?
Of course, you've got to be able to run your web apps on browsers, and if MS dominates the browser market, that could get risky. Then again, one might wonder why Google funds Mozilla [slashdot.org] and Opera [gigaom.com]. Note that there isn't ANYTHING fishy going on here; Firefox (and Opera) give Google search referrals, and Google pays them. It's entirely straightforward, non-binding, and easy to change by the user.
As soon as I get the opporunity, I'm switching my company to an online Office solution. Sure; you can use your own Office desktop if you like. But most people, who don't need the fancy Office (OpenOffice.org) features will be okay using Writely.
A clutch feature for me will be if writely has excellent ODTDOC conversion. Then I can switch our file format, too.
But I don't think its fair to critize Google for staying with its core abilities. Google is a search company (or started as one, anyways). Google's developers are brilliant, but there is no reason for Google to launch a completely new app if there are other talented developers out there doing the same thing. Either buy 'em out, or co-develop with them. You don't always have to be evil and use the embrace->extend model in order to win. I think Google is winning the battle v. Microsoft in an entirely "good" way.
Re:Writely Vs Word (Score:2)
Google has made almost *no* money from search. They do however make scads and scads of money from the ads they place on their search pages - and elsewhere.
Google's current business model is based on serving up advertisements. Search, Gmail, Maps, etc... etc.. only serve as means to attract eyeballs to ad
Re:Writely Vs Word (Score:2)
Mentions "secure" several times, but no SSL! (Score:4, Interesting)
* Home page says "Store your documents securely online."
* Sign-in page says "Simple & secure document collaboration and publishing"
So if it's so secure, why isn't SSL used *anywhere* on the site? The even more strange thing is that there is a secure cert on the site at https://www.writely.com/ [writely.com] but nothing actually links to it...ho hum. Yes, you can indeed login via SSL if you want - apparently they're worried about server load if they made SSL the default... Maybe with the Google infrastructure behind them, they can turn on SSL by default?
Re:Mentions "secure" several times, but no SSL! (Score:2)
People bitch about Google not doing anything innovative, but I think Google does what it does best, and buys the rest of the expertise it needs.
Google runs big servers. Really big.
Google does search. Really well.
Google stores data. Lots of data.
Applications like Writely stand to do really, really well as part of the Google Arsenal. Google can give them the technological back end support (not to mention programmer dollars) to get the project moving.
Re:Mentions "secure" several times, but no SSL! (Score:2)
Google, the perfect data source for intelligence (Score:2)
Re:Google, the perfect data source for intelligenc (Score:2)
Sure Google's data may be interesting to the government for different reasons, but I doubt it would be a good source of intelligence related to terror
"At Google, we know." (Score:5, Insightful)
We know what you have. (You've indexed your hard drives.)
We know where you [and family] live. (All mark their homes on Google Maps.)
We know who you like; we know who you hate. (Chat & e-mail.)
We know what you buy. (Let's be frugal.)
We know where you go. (What's happening G-locally?)
We know when you sleep; when you awaken. (Usage analysis.)
And now, we know virtually all your thoughts & plans. (Using Writely?)
Motto: At Google, your world is our world.
Re:"At Google, we know." (Score:2)
How to configure Firefox to discard google's tracking cookie here. [everythingisnt.com]
Re:"At Google, we know." (Score:2)
You just might be right. You did see this whiteboard [theregister.co.uk] of Google's plans for world domination via mind control?
I want me a Google Dyson Sphere.
linux... (Score:2)
Writely FAQ [writely.com] (Emphasis added). Looks like they'll fit in just right at Google.
is there an online html editor like this? (Score:2)
Re:is there an online html editor like this? (Score:2)
One caveate: I only do periodic backups, so you might want to occasionally use the export feature to generate local backups on your computer.
I wrote something similar, but simpler (Score:2)
Re:Corporate Ladder (Score:2)
Re:Compatibility (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Compatibility (Score:2)
Re:Compatibility (Score:2)
Maybe how slashdot does it, with the "You can automatically log in by clicking This Link and bookmarking the resulting page. This is totally insecure, but very convenient."
"This Link" is available on your user preferences page.
Re:Compatibility (Score:5, Insightful)
If you care so much as to turn cookies and javascript off (like myself) then you probably would not use an online office suite anyway.
Re:Compatibility (Score:2, Troll)
Re:Compatibility (Score:2)
If you don't turn off Javascript and cookies, then you are more likely to use an online office suite and would not be affected by browser issues. k?
Re:Compatibility (Score:2)
Someone turns off cookies for privacy reasons - so sites, especially advertisers, do not get any information from you.
Using an online office suite where your documents are stored on a server far away from you goes directly against that.
Re:Compatibility (Score:2)
Re:Compatibility (Score:2)
Hate to break it to ya, but HTTP is a stateless protocol. That means that it wasn't designed for user sessions. Therefore, cookies were created as a workaround. Granted some browsers and websites have abused them in the past. If you enjoy not having to put in a username and password in every single time you hit a new page, then you will have to deal with this.
HTML
ActiveX instead? (Score:2)
Re:ActiveX instead? (Score:4, Insightful)
So answer the question people are putting in front of you. How do you plan to offer a rich text editor on the order of Microsoft Word without using JavaScript to manipulate the DOM? Keep in mind that the browser Rich Text Editing control is dependent on JavaScript for operation.
Go ahead, tell us. We're listening very closely at the moment. Your answer will mark you as either as an amazing genius or technologically ignorant. If you attempt to evade the issue (like you've been doing), the mods will simply assume you're troll. (As will everyone else.)
Re:ActiveX instead? (Score:2)
Please enlighten us. What HTML 4 form tag inherently gives us WYSIWYG without javascript?
Re:ActiveX instead? (Score:2)
Unless you can do better than "use forms", I think this topic is pretty much closed.
Re:intergration (Score:2)