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1001 Islamic Inventions

Roblimo posted more than 8 years ago | from the innovations-come-from-everywhere dept.

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pev writes "There's a new traveling exhibition in the UK entitled 1001 inventions. It contains some of the most interesting inventions from the past few thousand years. The common theme, however, is that they all came from the Islamic world and not the west. In some cases [the list is] quite surprising. For the lazy, the Independent newspaper in the UK printed their top 20 from the exhibition."

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Yeah yeah yeah (-1, Flamebait)

Le Marteau (206396) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907022)

Yeah yeah yeah the Muslim culture is full to the brim with scientists, humanitarians, and various and sundry shiny happy people. And they made a bunch of great stuff, and are an asset to the planet, and on the whole, a bunch of swell, neighborly people. I get it already. But the savages still don't know how to mix a proper martini.

Re:Yeah yeah yeah (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907039)

Is the Burqa on the list?

Re:Yeah yeah yeah (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907055)

Yes their mixing skills are limited to chemical weapons and bomb making. For a religion that requires the death of all non-believers it amuses me people are still humouring this dangerous religion. Not that Bush and his group of fundamentalists are any better. Religion should be banned... except for the church of Star Trek, that one's OK.

Re:Yeah yeah yeah (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907073)

This letter that was sent in response to HPs CEO in late September of 2001 would disagree with this, and it has a lot of sources to back it up. Check it out here http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm [ninevehsoft.com]

I like political correctness... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907277)

...as much as the next person. But this exhibition is ridiculous. Herdsment from the desert conquer the civilized world and take credit for civilization. OK OK

But... (5, Informative)

tsa (15680) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907034)

Mohammed lived a few hundred years after Jesus, so the Islam can never be more than 1.5 thousand years old!

Re:But... (2, Informative)

stupidfoo (836212) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907076)

570 AD [wikipedia.org]

Re:But... (2)

max909 (619312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907097)

Nopes,
Prophet Muhammad PBUH was born in 572 AD. So that gives you exactly the idea how much he lived. He died on 632 AD. Islam is really 1500 Year old.

Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad [wikipedia.org]

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907132)

Why the hell was parent modded -1? It's around 1500 years, he's absolutely right.

Re:But... (1)

stupidfoo (836212) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907165)

Because he said that the original poster was wrong, and then said almost the exact same thing (although in slightly better English) that the original poster did.

Original poster: Islam isn't more than 1500 years old (which is correct)
Grandparent: Nopes! Islam is 1500 years old! (which is incorrect)

Re:But... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907170)

I think it was the Peanut Butter Upon Him that pissed somebody off.

Re:But... (1)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907171)

I'm no bible nerd, but I thought the roots of Islam go back to Ishmael. [wikipedia.org]

Re:But... (5, Funny)

caliph_salahuddin (695795) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907193)

Actually Islam didn't start with Mohammed. This is a fairly common misconception. It actually started with Adam & Eve. Mohammed didn't 'found' Islam, he is merely the last Prophet and perfected it.

Re:But... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907269)

>> perfected

Yeah. Perfect.

Re:But... (5, Funny)

arvindn (542080) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907246)

Islam can never be more than 1.5 thousand years old!

Come on! A thousand years from now, Islam will clearly be more than 1.5 thousand years old ;^)

[I'm actually surprised no one beat me to it.]

Re:But... (5, Informative)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907256)

No, Mohammed didn't create the religion, he's just the last prophet.

Similarly, Jesus didn't really create Christianity, he was Jewish. The Jews that became Christians decided that Jesus was the son of God as foretold in the old Testament, while the rest of the Jews decided that he was just another prophet and the true son of God hadn't come yet.

Christianity traces its roots to before Christ, just as Islam traces its roots to a time before Mohammed.

Noticed also. (5, Insightful)

alexhs (877055) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907260)

For one it is yet another misleading headline, briefly checking in TFA those inventions came later than Mahomet.

However it doesn't make sense to me to associate those inventions from Arabs, Persians, Ottomans, ... to some religion, especially as these articles do not seem to cover other culture and civilization aspects and influences at all.

It's just about a book with fancy colours illustrating inventions from parts of the world where Islam is the main religion now.

Puh leez (1, Insightful)

bermudatriangleoflov (951747) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907036)

"By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up."

Now introducing the new and improved vest o' dynamite model!!

Okay, I'll bite (5, Funny)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907046)

"Party happy long time boom boom belt" is in the top 20, right?

42 Virgins? (1, Funny)

AnonymousPrick (956548) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907206)

"Party happy long time boom boom belt" is in the top 20, right?

Also, they state that when they die they'll go to heaven and have 42 virgins.

I say, "Fuck That!" I want heaven to be filled with power tools, non-stop lumber, concrete, cars, computers, and all the tools I can use for eternity! And a really slutty chick who'll do ANYTHING!

Where the fuck am I going to have time to do 42 virgins, who don't know what the fuck they're doing and who probably want to "talk" after words?!? No Fucking Way!

Tools and sluts for me!!

Oh yeah! A really big fucking screened TV with every fucking channel - including non-stop pron!

Makes me laugh. (1, Insightful)

Ligur (453963) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907049)

I know it's a knee-jerk comment, and no I didn't RTFA but isn't it funny how the main function of western media is to condense everything to top-10 type lists to accommodate shrinking attention-spans?

Re:Makes me laugh. (1)

nysus (162232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907062)

Blame Dave Letterman.

Re:Makes me laugh. (2, Funny)

tsa (15680) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907072)

I made it to number 8, then I moved on to newer, more interesting news.

Re:Makes me laugh. (1, Funny)

JWtW (875602) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907143)

"For the lazy, the Independent newspaper in the UK printed their top 20 from the exhibition."

What are you talking about? I didn't even read the top 20, because there was no pictures!

Computer Science 101 (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907050)

Remember we owe the "Algorithm" to a dude who was writing 'programs' 800 years before Ada Loveleace and Alan Turing were about.

Re:Computer Science 101 (4, Informative)

Burb (620144) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907210)

Not quite. The dude in question was a talented mathematician, one of those responsible for introducing the concept of hindu-arabic numeration to the middle east and, later, to the west. But the attribution of a corruption of his name to the concept of algorithm is a historical accident. From wikipedia: "The word algorithm comes from the name of the 9th century Persian mathematician Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Musa al-Khwarizmi. The word algorism originally referred only to the rules of performing arithmetic using Hindu-Arabic numerals but evolved via European Latin translation of al-Khwarizmi's name into algorithm by the 18th century. The word evolved to include all definite procedures for solving problems or performing tasks."

It's sad . . . (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907059)

. . . when a group of people lets all of their scientific achievements throughout history become overshadowed by religious fundamentalism. Let's hope we don't end up going down the same route here in the States.

(It's even more sad when I have to post anonymously for fear that people who disagree with my post might interpret it to be against their version of Islam and harm myself and my family).

Re:It's sad . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907117)

against their version of Islam

Here's a tip: all religious people, even if they're not crazy enough to go all jihad on your ass, think it would be really great if everyone who wasn't in their religious had to convert or die.

Re:It's sad . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907142)

Note to all: ignorant troll. Please ignore.

Most likely upset that mommy and daddy make him get up Sunday mornings and go to Church.

Re:It's sad . . . (1)

Bazzalisk (869812) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907227)

I can think of a few counter-examples - notably strict Therevadan Buddhism, Orthodox Judaism, Annabaptist Christianity, and most forms of Gnosticism.

Re:It's sad . . . (4, Insightful)

teslar (706653) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907270)

Let's hope we don't end up going down the same route here in the States.
What, like ending up with leaders who claim [bbc.co.uk] that God told them to go to War with other countries?

Re:It's sad . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907289)

...might interpret it to be against their version of Islam and harm myself and my family...

At least you did not include an ASCII picture of Mohammad as your sig;-)

I have to wonder if we are headed into a global war because of religion (more so than we already are). To me religion is a good thing (tm). It has helped IMHO more than it has hurt this world.

It's interesting that we Americans are actually funding these radicals every time we fill our gas (petrol) tank. If it wasn't for us they would not have the resources or probably the people to harm others to the extent that they have today.

Can't we all just get along?

Nothing after 1300 (5, Insightful)

LeonGeeste (917243) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907064)

Nothing on the list came from after 1300 CE/AD. What does that tell you?

Re:Nothing after 1300 (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907124)

That the Crusades were rather effective at destroying a civilisation?

Re:Nothing after 1300 (4, Interesting)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907215)

The crusades did nothing to the islamic civilization, it was minor compared to other things. The crusades are highly exaggerated nowadays in their impact, back then they were even considered

so minor that a german/roman emperor could lease the holy land for a lifetime (and having a clash with the pope over this back then)

The main problem for the downfall of the arabic civilization might be the in islamic wars, which mainly was triggered by the turkish people slowly but surely taking over the islamic empire and in islamic wars between various countries.

The impact on the eastern roman empire was severe however, they sped up its downfall which was more or less unavoidable anyway.



In the end the islamic civilisation basically was fruitful due to knowledge inheritance of the occupied eastern roman empire parts, and being hilghly tolerant to christians and jews in the occupied areas. Culture could only thrive in this tolerant area.

Re:Nothing after 1300 (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907224)

I was going with "Fundamentalism is the Enemy of Scientific Progress". Some early islamic science was actually driven by religion (i.e advances in navigation arose from needing to be able to accurately locate Mecca while at sea), but that stuff never lasts, because science is based on curisoity and fundamentalist religion teaches that to be heresy.

It's a lesson we need to learn, unless we want a few centuries of cultural dark age.

Re:Nothing after 1300 (2, Interesting)

stupidfoo (836212) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907241)

For 50 points, complete the following sentence: The crusades were a response to...
(hint: starts with a J, ends with an "ihad")

Re:Nothing after 1300 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907255)

That the Crusades were rather effective at destroying a civilisation?

Nope, the crusaders ended up losing.

More likely it tells us that the corrupt and stagnant Ottoman Empire was rather effective at stultifying a civilization.

Re:Nothing after 1300 (5, Insightful)

ednopantz (467288) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907268)

>That the Crusades were rather effective at destroying a civilisation?

You do realize that they won the crusades, don't you? It is inconvenient for the "blame the West for everything" worldview, but my ancestors got their asses kicked.

The total failure of the Islamic world to produce any worthwhile contribution to human civilzation in the last 500 years is mostly a case of relative decline: what happens in Europe and America after 1500 is nothing short of amazing. Even if they didn't actually slow down their rate of cultural/technological production, they got blown out of the water by the competition. Still, it is striking how little that part of the world has been able to come up with in the last half-millenium.

You can't read an Arab magazine without seeing a list like this once a week. The fact that the British press is now getting into the act of praising 1000 year old inventions and ignoring the last thousand years of stagnation is telling.

Re:Nothing after 1300 (3, Funny)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907205)

The Mongols.

Re:Nothing after 1300 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907209)

"Nothing on the list came from after 1300 CE/AD. What does that tell you?"

It tells me you suck at either reading or math. As one of a few examples you could try re-reading the VERY FIRST ENTRY.

Incorrect (1)

TCQuad (537187) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907228)

Nothing on the list came from after 1300 CE/AD.

Actually, the article mentions military uses of gunpowder (including the making of torpedos and missles in the 15th century), vaccination brought from Istanbul in 1724 (including the use of cowpox to fight smallpox 50 years before the West) and the creation of coffee in 1650.

Site Design (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907237)

and is it just me, or is the site design at the main site (1001 inventions) absolutely horrible? I took a quick browse and couldn't find anything besides basic intros to the each main category. Obviously a good GUI wasn't an Islamic Invention :P.

Re:Nothing after 1300 (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907267)

Wake me when the radical Islamic world demonstrates...
-tolerance of others
-respect for others
-respect for human life

(These things have already been invented. I'm just looking for some confirmation of their existence from certain members of a specific region of the world.)

---
Wake me when the Moderate and/or liberal Islamic world denounces the radicals enmass.

---

If it will help things, I'm an American and I admit George Bush is a shithead.

Flying machine, eh? hilarious. (3, Funny)

MyDixieWrecked (548719) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907071)

That's hilarious that they had this to say:

Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.

about the muslim who attempted to build a flying machine.

Re:Flying machine, eh? hilarious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907155)

I was just thinking about the same thing... a man who fall to death having a crater named after him

Re:Flying machine, eh? hilarious. (2, Funny)

robbkidd (154298) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907230)

That's hilarious that they had this to say: Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him. about the muslim who attempted to build a flying machine.

Though, to be fair, Abbas ibn Firnas did build a flying machine. It just wasn't good at being a landing machine as well.

Those inventions aren't Islamic (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907077)

Those inventions were created by people, not by Islam. Islam is merely a religion, and hence useless and incapable of anything at except stroking peoples emotions (for good or bad).

Those are human inventions.

Not Surprising At All (4, Insightful)

briancarnell (94247) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907083)

Odd that the person who submitted this is surprised that the inventions are from the Islamic world. Anyone who knows anything about the history of the regions whose inventions are included here knows there were a lot of innovations created in the first 500-600 years after the founding of Islam.

The problem is that such inventiveness and scholarly pursuits largely stopped/stagnated as Muslim countries and culture turned inward.

Re:Not Surprising At All (1)

Silver Sloth (770927) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907252)

The problem is that such inventiveness and scholarly pursuits largely stopped/stagnated as Muslim countries and culture turned inward.

And what lessons should the west learn from this I wonder?

Perhaps , having given the world so much in the past, what they give now is a lesson in what happens when you let religious fundamentalists make political decisions. South Dacota anyone?

Re:Not Surprising At All (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907266)

Odd that the person who submitted this is surprised that the inventions are from the Islamic world.

Not odd at all when you consider how insulated certain Western countries are from the rest of the world. Chances are his thought process is roughly "Huh, those dumb ragheads can invent stuff! Who knew?" It's a type of racism that is acceptable to a lot of people for some reason.

So what did they invent recently? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907086)

Everything on the top-20 list comes from antiquity. So tell me, what great things did the muslim world invent more recently than, say, 1950 ?

A combination of commercial airliner and bomb. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907184)

Well, they invented suicide bombers. Sure you'll say that the japanse did that in WW2 - but they needed planes. And the Japanese didn't think to blow up school kids.

Another invention is combination commercial airliner and world trade center doomsday device.

If these guys don't have the patent on terrorism - they at least have sure as hell secured the distribution rights worldwide.

Re:So what did they invent recently? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907218)

Improvised explosive devices, Suicide bombers belts, suicide bomb for women that makes it look like she's carrying a baby, a radio that hides a bomb on airplanes, cell phone controled detonators

Karma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907088)

Would I gain or lose karma by pointing out that the most recent of the top 20 was from 1724?

when ego surpresses self reflection (0)

Device666 (901563) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907090)

The ability to self-reflect is so important to science. When wondering inspires to think free without any form of ethical norm, science will flourish. These days it's hard to see the Islamitic countries (Except the Turks), with a lot of self reflection. Religion, and dictatorish leaders clearly don't inspire to modern scientific achievements. To me it looks as if these countries are too busy with tring to win some ego due the domination of the culture from the west. So on what moment in history? In the medieval ages a lot of western countries had the same problem. A lot of modern thoughts were forgotten because of the long domination of a fundamentalistic Christianism.

Kurt Vonnegut Jr. Quote (1, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907091)

Do you think Arabs are dumb? They gave us our numbers. Try doing long division with Roman numerals.
~Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
So, if we use that number system and there are an infinite number of numbers (both densely and ascending), aren't we using an infinite number of their inventions?

Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. Quote (4, Informative)

Derek Pomery (2028) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907119)

http://home.c2i.net/greaker/comenius/9899/indiannu merals/india.html [c2i.net]
Numbers is a poor example.
Credit where credit is due.

MOD PARENT UP "Arabic" numerals come from India (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907233)

No text

Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. Quote (1)

Manatra (948767) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907180)

Well I do know XII / 2 is VII.

Re:Kurt Vonnegut Jr. Quote (1)

MaynardJanKeymeulen (768541) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907264)

No, that would be: XII/II=VI

Don't forget the perfection of (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907094)

Don't forget they perfected the roadside car bomb.

#'s 1002 and #1003 (5, Funny)

jcostantino (585892) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907102)

Flying carpet

Magic Lamp

(rimshot)

Their best invention. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907103)

Did muslims invent suicide bombings? I'm all for the suicide part.

Re:Their best invention. (1)

miletus (552448) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907146)

Read up on the history of the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka. You'll see suicide bombings are hardly a Muslim innovation.

Don't suppose you've heard of Kamikaze's, either.

Re:Their best invention. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907212)

Don't suppose you've heard that you don't pluralize with an apostrophe?

So... (2)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907104)

To sum this up, even if myth is treated as fact, the Muslim world has accomplished essentially nothing in the last 500 years. I'd regard this as less "surprising" than depressing.

Re:So... (1)

caliph_salahuddin (695795) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907243)

I think you're confused. Accomplished anything is NOT the same as 'invented anything'

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907250)

The islamic world has been becoming less and less defined in the last couple hundred years. So it isn't surprising that inventions coming from muslims would no longer be attributed to the islamic world. It is however very easy to find muslim scientist in academia in the west these days.

Discrimination (1, Interesting)

Kombat (93720) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907111)

There's no way to say this without sounding racist/sexist/homophobic, but I wonder if I'll live to see the day when it's considered "acceptable" to be proud of straight, male, caucasian heritage. That's not to say I think there's anything to be proud of, but rather that it's interesting how we have all these parades, celebrations, "history" months, and special exhibits for the accomplishments of all the various configurations of gender, race, and religion, except straight, white, Christian male. The truth, of course, is that the vast majority of all historical accomplishments were achieved by straight, white, Christian males. However, it's considered inappropriate to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

The irony is that while I find it both interesting and disappointing that society continues to congratulate everyone else for the advances and achievements of their respective genders and races, I find it simultaneously hollow and pointless. How can you be proud of something someone else did, when the only thing(s) you have in common with those people are physical/geographical attributes over which you had no control anyway? How can you be proud of something you had no control over? Am I proud to be "white?" Not at all. It required no effort on my part, thus it can hardly be considered an "accomplishment."

Nevertheless, people will continue to congratulate each other over such arbitrary attributes, while straight white males stand at the sidelines with their mouths shut, lest they be considered racist, sexist, homophobic, or just generally discriminatory.

Re:Discrimination (1)

Kombat (93720) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907139)

The truth, of course, is that the vast majority of all historical accomplishments were achieved by straight, white, Christian males.

Whoops, I overstated this. I was referring mainly to recent (last 200 years) accomplishments in the Western world, primarily scientific in nature. Obviously, straight white males didn't build the Great Wall of China, but they did play golf on the moon.

Re:Discrimination (1)

dsgitl (922908) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907261)

Really? How can you be so sure they were all straight? DaVinci is outside your modified span of the last 200 years, but he was pretty brilliant, and by all accounts, really, really gay.

How can you be so sure all of these great inventors or scientist were truly straight and Christian? Really, I'd like to know. And why does it matter so much to you?

Re:Discrimination (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907189)

> while straight white males stand at the sidelines with their mouths shut,

Nothing's stopping you from writing your own article about the great inventions of Great White Males or whatever.

Re:Discrimination (2, Insightful)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907231)

White people get recognition every day. You're just used to it.

Re:Discrimination (5, Insightful)

GauteL (29207) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907240)

"The truth, of course, is that the vast majority of all historical accomplishments were achieved by straight, white, Christian males"

The vast majority of all historical accomplishments? You even use terms like "the truth" and "of course", making it sound ridiculously assumptious.

If I was to believe such a claim, I would require proof. European and American history is Eurocentric, so we know far more about European history than we do of Chinese, Arabian, Japanese, Indian, African or native american history. The Chinese and Japanese have for instance an extremely rich history full of accomplisments, lots of which are not well known by westeners. The same goes for most other civilisations.

Also, just because the white, christian male conquered large parts of the world, does not mean we were culturally superiour. We just happened to better at killing than them.

Islamic? (5, Insightful)

thenetbox (809459) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907115)

I don't know why the word "Islamic" is attached to this article.

Just like terrorism isn't "Islamic", these inventions aren't necessarily Islamic either.

The religion of the inventor had nothing to do with these inventions.

Shouldn't these be called... (2, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907126)

ARABIC, and not ISLAMIC inventions?

Re:Shouldn't these be called... (4, Interesting)

billbaggins (156118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907175)

No, chess was developed by the Persians. Don't call Persians Arabs if you want to make any friends in Iran.

Re:Shouldn't these be called... (5, Insightful)

thenetbox (809459) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907197)

Not Arabic because lots of these inventions are Persian, Indian, Chinese etc.

These inventions were created by intelligent, open minded people who happened to be Muslim and weren't living under oppresion of crazed power hungry lunatics who consider technology to be the tool of satan.

I lived in Pakistan for a few years and all the so called "muslim scholars" of today are uneducated trash who happened to brain-wash enough poverty stricken people in order to get power. These morons are the face of Islam these days and that's sad.

Hopefully, the few remaining educated sane muslims will be able to over turn this growing trend.

Obl: Star Trek Russia quote (1)

FreshnFurter (599451) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907136)

Chekov: I thought zese vere all WRussian inventions?

Lots of innovation (a long time ago) (4, Interesting)

syphax (189065) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907140)

Arab/Muslim societies produced some fantastic engineering in their day, much of which is described in the dry but quite informative A History of Engineering in Classical and Medieval Times [amazon.com] .

For reasons that I don't understand, the Christian and Muslim worlds seem to have flip-flopped regarding the dominance of religion vs. rational thought somewhere in the past 200-500 years. Of course this is a great over-simplification, but it's worth remembering that there was a time when the Arab world was the center of learning and enlightenment in the non-eastern-Asian world (I phrase it like that b/c I don't want to flamebait the Indians or Chinese).

I think, it is government structure (1)

mi (197448) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907271)

For reasons that I don't understand, the Christian and Muslim worlds seem to have flip-flopped regarding the dominance of religion vs. rational thought somewhere in the past 200-500 years.
Whereas Christianity leaves "Ceasar's to Ceasar" thus separating itself from government, Islam prescribes particular social and governmental order via Sharia [wikipedia.org] .

The government invented by the Prophet was pretty progressive for the times and thus helped Islamic society(ies) advance then. Eventually, the European world has caught up with something even better, however, and — unbound by the scripture in that regard — was able to take advantage of it.

This — the insistance on the letter of the Sharia law — is what really handicaps some Islamic countries, IMHO. Some of them (like Indonesia) seem to have found a way to get out of this shackles, so there is hope yet...

Re:Lots of innovation (a long time ago) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907285)

Mebe all the Nordic/Norman/Gallic/Tuton war genes went that-a-way in the crusades, while all the Geometric/Algebraic/Astronomy/Abstract-thinking Genes fled in reverse during the same time.

It's a ridiculous thought, but but a scary distant posibility.

That or the Islamic empire was too comfy for too long; or maybe the Mongols really did crush everything but europe (and Africa, which europe aparently set about crushing).

-Dan

The most promising invetion (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907150)

The suicide bomber - what in the world would we do with out them.

Yay for irrelevant cultural subdivisions! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907151)

Next I want to know how many things were invented by blond people, "Frasier" fans, the left-handed, and people named "Al."

Anything in the last 30 years??? (5, Insightful)

mikejz84 (771717) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907154)

I looked over the sites, and i find something intresting: The complete lack of any modern innovations. This project has completely backfired, instead of trying to promote Islamic society, it has proven the harsh reality that the middle-east is centeries behind the developed world.

Re:Anything in the last 30 years??? (1)

caliph_salahuddin (695795) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907272)

How many of the ideas the 'Western' world (I personally don't like using that term, but whatever) are even possible because of the inventions from years ago? Maybe in 500 years, people will look back and say "NASA? What have they invented in the past 50 years?"

Books and Comics (-1, Troll)

deanj (519759) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907172)

Unfortunately, this is merely a puff piece trying to gloss over the radicialization of Islam. Many of those folks ARE pieceful, but they're being lead by a bunch of lunatics that want to bomb everything in sight [worldnetdaily.com] .

Oh, and they missed using Jets to bring down major buildings in New York. Although, to be fair, Tom Clancy came up with that idea earlier.

And they missed killing people for writing things they don't like (Rushdie) and drawing things they don't like (the recent editorial comic scare), but again, they didn't invent that either... they just revived it.

Sounds like the speeches I heard in San Francisco last time I was there. "You don't agree with us, therefore you're a idiot that doesn't deserve to live!" Yeah, everything's fine if you agree with them...but if you don't, look out..

Growing up in a Muslim family... (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907187)

I find it upsetting to see that the liberalism, the intelligence, the artwork, etc.. has taken a downward spiral in recent years, instead of striving for more.

That said, I think Muslims who emmigrate to the United States generally are representative of those who are more liberal, hard working, and smarter than ever before. Too bad the billion other Muslims in the world overshadow any successes that modern adapted Muslims have made.

This list is nice, but I think 'people' created them... not Muslims. The more we introduce Muslims as a separate class of people the more they will want us to give them preferential treatment. We are blowing you up for oil, not your religion. Dammit.

From TFA (4, Informative)

obender (546976) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907195)

The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph

The moslems only attacked Persia in 638. It seems to me that at least one of these inventions have nothing to do with Islam.

Nobody "Invented" Coffee (1)

TFGeditor (737839) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907202)

Berry-boiling sheep herders notwithstanding, nobody "invented" coffee, but merely discovered it.

That's like saying a prospector digging for gold invented oil.

Odd, shows how little I know about the world (3, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907211)

Because I could have sworn that Islam isn't thousands of years old.

While it is difficult to spot exactly where the islamic fate starts in history most people seem to assume it starts with the prophet Muhammad.

Who came a good 700 years after Jesus Christ who himself came from a fate even older. If you go back several thousand years the only bible fate around that is still around (as far as I know) are the Jews.

Wich means that most of the inventions claimed here are in fact not made by muslims but either by their predecessors (christians or jews) OR one of the many other fates that used to exist in the world.

It always suprises me when people talk about the rich history of the middle east and attribute it to Islam when in fact islam had next to nothing to do with it. Just check islamic attitudes to the great pyramids.

When an article already makes a basic mistake by attributing achievements to a fate that happened hundreds of years earlier I smell propoganda. Would be like attributing the Great Wall to the Chinese Communist Party.

Same region, same ethnic people but totally different nonetheless.

Basically this whole things sound to me like, thousands of years ago when the world was totally different some guy invented a thing wich was kinda of usefull so now a whole group of religious freaks must be liked despite the fact that everything they say and do is exactly against the believes of that guy thousands of years ago.

No thanks. I just judge muslims by the ones I meet in daily life.

My greatest problem with the muslims in general is that they never seem to have heard of the saying "what is good for the goose is good for the gander" (what goes for you goes for me). Take the recent riots over those danish cartoons. Arab media have spouted hate for decades but that is alright. One rule for the muslims, another for the rest of the world. No thank you.

The only thing I know that in holland a mere 3-4% of the population seems to be in the news 80% of the time. You can turn on the tv without some program about them. Enough already.

Oh, and those who think that hatred against muslims is extreme right. Consider this. What do nazi's hate? Homosexuals, equal rights for women, jews, etc. What do muslims hate?

Those lefties defending muslims bashing gays and supressing womens mystify me. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your enemy as well. Just because your against Bush doesn't mean you have to be pro muslim.

Not very well researched either... (5, Informative)

MadTinfoilHatter (940931) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907219)

From TFA: By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo.

The fact that the Earth was round (contrary to popular belief) was not big news in the 9th century. The ancient Greeks knew very well that the Earth was a sphere, and they too had calculated the circumference with surprising accuracy several centuries B.C. (not to mention before Mohammed). Also Galileo wasn't controversial because he claimed the Earth was round - it was because he claimed that the Earth revolved around the sun, and not vice versa. Sigh.

Did they really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907239)

This article is a lot of propaganda. By Muslim world I assume they mean the middle east, because the Muslim religion did not exist in a large part of that area until 630AD, when they began their conquest of that area of the world. The article @ http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm [ninevehsoft.com] is a letter that was written to HPs CEO in late September 2001 in response to a speech she had delivered. To sum it up, muslims have not invented anything of major importance, they have stolen it from the communities and cultures that they have wiped from the face of the earth. Once a community is assimilated (through imposed government), all innovation in that community appears to cease.

The earth is round! (and the greeks knew it) (5, Insightful)

l2718 (514756) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907244)

At #18, the Guardian notes that by the 9th century Muslim astronomers knew the Earth was round and had measured the circumference. The writer conveniently omits to mention that more than a thousand years before, the greek philosopher Eratosthenese [wikipedia.org] has already done that. Certainly Muslim astronomy of the 9th century was far more advanced than European astronomy of the same time, but this article smacks to me of an attempt to say "everything was invented by a Islam". This is strengthed by #14 where they say "the zero was invented in India, but we use arabic numerals". I submit that the shape of the numerals is not very important, while the decimal notation and especially the concept of zero are the major invention here.

Craters... (1)

Cow Jones (615566) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907245)

From TFA:
A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. [snip details] He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing. Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.
Beautiful :)

Thats it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907251)

As a proud gun toting American bent on revenge for 911, I submit that we should all boycot the use of soap, chess, or writing with pens.

We'll teach those damned muslims!!

Yes, But.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14907278)

What have they done for us lately?

Joke Post?? (1)

wyatt27 (80173) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907279)

This post was a joke, right?

We're supposed to take propaganda from FSTC Ltd / MuslimHeritage.com at face value in this day and age?

This reminds me of Pavel Chekhov's Vee inWented it Furst line.

The Independent is not - they're kowtowing in dhimmitude.

This is not an Islamic discovery (4, Insightful)

Hays (409837) | more than 8 years ago | (#14907287)

From their list:
18) By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.

But as I understand it, the Egyptian Eratosthenes had discovered this same thing 11 centuries earlier:
http://outreach.as.utexas.edu/marykay/assignments/ eratos1.html [utexas.edu]

Galileo was responsible for many great discoveries, but I've never seen anyone claim that he discovered the Earth was round. Many argue that a round world was common knowledge in Europe, despite what their maps might make us believe.
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