No HD-DVD Movies Until April 243
Jed from Pan and Scan writes "It's official: when the first HD-DVD players are released on March 28, there will be no movie titles available in the new high-def format for at least another three weeks, and far fewer than initially announced. Warner, the only studio that was planning on having HD-DVD movies to accompany the format's much ballyhooed debut, will now release just three initial HD-DVD titles -- and not until April 18."
Movie Selection (Score:5, Insightful)
I can understand Million Dollar Baby and I'm glad The Last Samurai was picked, as that was a very underrated film. I'm still surprised they chose that instead of say, a blockbuster, or a major academy award winner. But Phantom of the Freakin' Opera?! WTF?
Re:Movie Selection (Score:5, Funny)
It would have been someone in the marketing department who made these choices, so that's a yes.
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They even ruined the cliffhanger from season 1 of Atlantis. Suicide mission.....nope I guess not....6 weeks before it airs it shows him onboard a ship saying '10 fingers, 10 toes, I'll check the rest later' then shows the enemy ship blowing up. Hmm...I wonder what's going to happen?!
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If you want to see how good your system can look there are thousands of titles that are better. 'Starship Troopers' looks fantastic and is recommended by the ISF. The previously mentioned 'Lawrence of Arabia' in all of its technicolor glory is another excellent choice.
'Seven Samurai' is a good choic
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Re:Movie Selection (Score:5, Funny)
Indeed they are called Revolutions and Reloaded.
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That choice actually makes some sense.
Some people, as weird as it sounds, do actually like opera!
The market for HD is small enough as it is, and if for whatever stupid reason you are only going to release 3 movies, make them from different marketable genres.
Re:Movie Selection (Score:2)
Which PotO is not. It's an Andrew Lloyd Webber musical, which in any event argues in favor of impressive sound much more than impressive picture quality. And DVDs can already do that.
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These same people tend to harbor a seething hatred toward Andrew Lloyd Webber.
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They have The Last Samurai for the widescreen epic battle scenes to show off the quality of the format in this kind of movie. Phantom (or any kind of musical, Chicago or Moulin Rouge would have served just as well - Phantom is simply newer) is there to demonstrate the sound qualities. It's as close to opera as you can get while still being accessible for a "normal" audience. Plus, it's geared at the female h
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Re:Movie Selection -- WRONG STUDIO (Score:2)
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If the Debut (Score:4, Funny)
If it was during the full moon on April 13th, it wouldn't be ballyhoo but skullduggery.
Makes Sony look good (Score:3, Insightful)
But... no releases for three weeks? That's three weeks of wasted advertising, shelf space, and cost to retailers, and while the first three movies are all great movies, how many people will pay over a hundred bucks for a new player and another thirty to watch a movie they probably own already in marginally better quality?
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Re:Makes Sony look good (Score:5, Interesting)
DVD and VCR are worlds apart. This is more akin to CD compared to one of the newer audio formats like Super-CD or DVD Audio. I don't know a single person who's upgraded their audio and I know a ton of music fans, more so than movie fans. There were great advantages to DVD, this simply isn't the case with Blu-Ray or DVD-HD. Not to even mention the percentage of people who can take true advantage of the formats playback. How many people own a HD TV to make a better viewing experience with? I'm sure this number is much smaller than the number of people who could take advantage of DVDs clearer picture when it first came out... A great margin infact.
I would buy one if I know who was going to win the format wars only so I don't needlessly buy new titles under an older format but without knowing what kind of player I would be able to buy in 3-5 years when my current one dies and not knowing if I'm going to be able to buy new releases for my new player if it loses the format wars in a couple of years I'm a bit stand-offish about buying the new players/media at all. DVD didn't have a competitor, that was acceptable. CDs never had a serious competitor in the early days.
I don't know what to buy and I'm sure Joe Sixpack is even more confussed. My guess? It's going to be at least two years until there is enough of a stir and a clear enough vision of the future until the public accepts this technology on the same level that they accept DVD today.
Re:Makes Sony look good (Score:4, Interesting)
Not to mention no rewinding, no tapes getting eaten by the player, no degredation in quality over multiple viewings, defective tapes, tracking issues, zoom, repeat functions that are easy to use...
DVD had real advantages over tape. The only advantages that the new formats seem to have is clearer picture (if your TV supports it) and a familure disc format that everyone who'd buy it is already use to so there is no learning curve for the Joe Sixpacks out there.
Re:Makes Sony look good (Score:2)
Unless you want to record. I still use my VCR to time shift. A DVD burner or hard disk recorder still costs several times that; besides it works....
Re:Makes Sony look good (Score:2)
I agree with that too, or at least did until the PVR became economical by most cable and dish providers. This would cover most consumer needs as far as broadcast recording.
And my take on it was by no means an attempt to leave off some of the "specialty" situations, so I didn't cover all the pros and cons. None the less it is a good point and I do wonder about the number of households that maintain a VCR for recording. I have one for old video tapes but it's been at least a decad
Blue Laser Burner (Score:3, Interesting)
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Or another alternative.. (Score:5, Funny)
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How do I upgrade my current DVDs? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:How do I upgrade my current DVDs? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:How do I upgrade my current DVDs? (Score:2)
If you go with HD-DVD and Blu-ray becomes the standards, or vice versa you have paid for a DVD player that cannot play HI-def show. Most smart people will see what the stupid early adopters get and what movies are made for the most then buy a HD-Def DVD player when they are movies for it and prices are a bit cheaper.
Re:How do I upgrade my current DVDs? (Score:2)
Who cares? (Score:2)
Re:Who cares? (Score:2)
Just like we sat out for 56 k-flex and x2
Nah, it's going to be another fubarred setup until someone agrees on something a little more solid.
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Re:Who cares? (Score:4, Funny)
Besides, when you're wearing trifocals, the resolution difference is less perceptible.
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unnecessary (Score:5, Insightful)
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They are prolly pushing this out in attempt to get back copy protection after the de-css debacle. Unnecessary for consumers. Necessary for the money-hungry studios and distributors.
I'm sure the copy protection will be cracked soon enough. What a waste of time.
Re:unnecessary (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm guessing when they get their shit together and decide on a format, the studios will start releasing the "deluxe" DVDs (with special features, commentary, etc.) ONLY on the new hi-def format. After a couple years, they'll start offering some entire movies
Re:unnecessary (Score:4, Insightful)
That'll take a lot more than a couple of years for them to pull off. DVD adoption was extremely fast, because of the clear advantages that DVDs have over tape. And it still took about 8 years before you saw any movies that were not released in VHS as well as DVD.
Now you're looking at a situation where the market will say "heck, HD-DVD/Blu-ray is expensive, and I have to buy an expensive TV as well? Screw that!" Adoption of these new players will be significantly slower than DVD, simply because the advantages are not nearly as obvious as DVD's were over VHS. To top it off, a common standard hasn't even been created, putting people off even more!
A studio that tries in the next 10 years to release a movie exclusively to either HD format would be guaranteeing that movie's failure in rental and retail stores alike. There simply won't be enough people who will have the equipment to play it, and no single movie is enough of a "must see" to warrant the purchase of a new TV and disc player. If a distributor tried this before HD players are universal, they'd be sued by the production company for sabotaging post-theatrical sales.
I gave... (Score:2, Insightful)
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Or be like my father, who bought a BetaMax recorder twenty years ago... and never upgraded :]
Re:unnecessary (Score:2)
And your mistake was in trusting the General's daughter.
That is all.
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Movies shown on HDNet or HBO HD look significantly better than DVD's when viewed on an HD set. 1280 x 720 progressive is way better than 840 x 480 interlaced.
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Is that the resolution of PAL? I'm at 1920x1080i for HBO HD and INHD and it looks pretty damn good. DVDs on my TV show that they need improvement when you can see all of the blemises and blur on the high quality screen.
Time for the age old classic "demo disc" (Score:4, Interesting)
Can't we all just get along? (Score:2, Insightful)
Like Richard Pryor [imdb.com], I choose "None of the above!"
My rules have not failed me yet (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't buy in to the new standard until it gets as common as the old one. (therefore I bought zero laserdiscs)
I am not a whore for quality, but I do own like 400 movies in VHS and DVD. Honestly I could care less about HD-DVD (even though my projector is capable of better than DVD quality).
It suprises me that marketing would have me think that the average consumer cares about practically inperceptable differences in picture and sound quality. I noticed the jump from VHS to DVD, but honestly I cannot even tell the difference between the picture quality (not size) at the movie theater and at my home theater with DVDs on an 8 foot projection, and lets face it, an 8 foot projection is pretty much the limit for a home theater.
I just don't think there will be much difference to the average consumer besides branding and price.
Re:My rules have not failed me yet (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:My rules have not failed me yet (Score:2, Insightful)
I am just saying that to me, there is no value other than "the next cool toy" for increasing quality above DVD, and that is no
Re:My rules have not failed me yet (Score:2)
April 1st to be exact (Score:2, Funny)
The delay is not surprising, but Warner is STUPID! (Score:5, Interesting)
Could it be that perhaps Warner is worried about falling into the same trap that Microsoft fell into by rushing the Xbox 360 to market? Any failings during the official release HD-DVD will be fodder for Sony. If Warner releases their movies and HD-DVD bombs, that's obviously their lost money. They're feeling the water of HD-DVD because, let's face it, Blu-Ray appears to have the most popularity from both a technical and exposure perspective. Sony's recent statement that they will no longer force analog down-converting also helps to bolster their high-def DVD position.
What I'm surprised at is that Warner is releasing movies that really should not be on the forefront of high-def showcasing. If you want a format to succeed, you support it with movies that not only show off what the format can do but also are what have a large fan base! Warner is not doing HD-DVD any service with the titles they're releasing. Million Dollar Baby? The Last Samurai? Phantom of the Opera? Oh my f**king God!!! What the HELL is Warner thinking?!
The people who would buy HD-DVD are those who are movie aficionados, technical geeks, or both. The Matrix should be first and foremost one of the top three HD-DVD releases if Warner really wants to help to push the HD-DVD format into people's homes! Come on! Warner owns New Line Cinema! Why for the love of Pete is the Lord of the Rings trilogy not one of the first releases!
Warner might be delaying to feel the HD-DVD water before taking a dive, but with movies like those three, that's water's going to be REALLY cold, and they're obviously not helping to warm it up! With the movies they're releasing, they're not going to convince anyone to spend the money for HD-DVD.
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Guy, step back from geek culture for just a second and look around; for the most part The Matrix series started strong and got limp fast. Even the more hardcore fans from the first one seem to have lost their interest in the film looking back. I've seen stacks of the Matrix box sets sitting around Best Buys and the like for months.
But I do agree that th
Re:The delay is not surprising, but Warner is STUP (Score:2, Insightful)
Instead of discussing HD-DVD's compression quality, or the films they chose, or Microsoft's backing, or its smaller size compared to Blu-ray, the discussion wi
Kindly take your extremism elsewhere. (Score:2)
All of the audio CDs in my car are duplicates of CDs that I purchased so that I don't have to expose my originals to unnecessary risk, whether it's from temperatu
Simply wrong (Score:2)
HD-DVD has been coming out for a long time now, and when I last checked Warner owns the largest CD and DVD manufacturing plant in the United States, located just outside of Scranton, PA. Assuming that they do still own that facility, they could very well have done whatever is necessary to get more product out if they really wanted to.
Additionally, I can't imagine that anyone would spend the money to purchase equipment with movies that they very likely will not want just for the sake of hav
Maybe even hollywood .. (Score:5, Interesting)
They won't save you if you're down.
They won't make bad movies good; they won't even make ok movies good.
They'll make money off enthusiasts that'll buy a movie they already own in 2-3 formats who just -have- to buy it again.
They won't get people to respect you for a devistatingly lackluster year of movie.
They won't wash the bad taste out of my mouth for putting unskipable anti-priating ads on the DVDs I PAID FOR.
Here's the thing (Score:2)
Going DVD to HDDVD/Blueray only benefits a very small group of mostly wealthy people. It doesn't solve a problem for anyone but that same very small group of people, an
Not to sound all geeky... (Score:2, Insightful)
I ask purely for information, of course. No, seriously.
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I see it as unlucky. When it switched from film to video, production costs(and values) dropped, and the quality dropped even further.
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A product looking for a market (Score:5, Insightful)
Similarly, when the HDTV broadcast deadline rears its ugly head, I think you'll see the cable companies offering digital to analog converters to allow their subscriberts (those who haven't upgraded their TV's) to continue getting their television, which means that their current DVD players will continue to meet their needs.
Don't get me wrong... I think HDTV's great, but there hasn't been a compelling reason to upgrade to it, and based on HDTV sales, at least here in Michigan, I think most people are in the same boat.
The economy's in the tank, jobs are scarce (particularly in my neck of the woods thanks for the ineptitude of GM, and their multiple plant closings), and people are understandably hesitent to spend a grand or more to replace e television that's still serving them well.
Add in the higher media costs, the lack of uses, the lack of pre-recorded content, and the lack of players for the media, and it all spells doom for the format. If it's still around in a few years when more people have upgraded to HDTV (assuming old TV's continue to die, and the economy begins a turnaround some day), maybe it'll have a chance at becoming a standard then. For now, it's a waste of money for most people.
Digital Broadcast Deadline... Not HDTV (Score:4, Informative)
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Boy, Michigan must be a technological backwater. I'd say 75% of my friends own some sort of HDTV. However I am not banking on big immediate HD-DVD or Blu-Ray acceptance. The dual formats hurts, and it is going to take a while before there is enough software to get people interested.
The US economy is actually in pretty good shape if yo
No Movies? (Score:4, Insightful)
So, this is equivalent to being stuck with WaveRace when the N64 first came out?
Re:No Movies? (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_n'_Burn [wikipedia.org]
Optimistic scheduling disease ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Bad day at Bentonville for Warner (Score:5, Informative)
A supplier cannot do that to Wal-Mart without serious suffering. Missing a delivery date is considered very serious by Wal-Mart. Warner execs will be summoned to Bentonville for a serious chewing out and will probably be forced to give discounts.
Wal-Mart does not suck up to the content industries. They not only sell online music at $0.88/song, undercutting Apple, they actually sign a few bands themselves and put their music on line and on CDs. Just to remind the music industry that it can be replaced.
So now we know what HD-DVD stands for (Score:3, Funny)
DVD = Da*n, Very Delayed
Why wasn't one of the first titles available that Penguins movie? Seems like that would have actually moved units. That and something cinematically georgous along the lines of "House of Flying Daggers" or "Hero".
Finally copyright protection (Score:2, Interesting)
Pirates (Score:2, Funny)
I just ordered this movie (off cduniverse) and it ships with a DVD, a special features disc, and the movie in HD-DVD. If this movie doesn't hold you over for the three weeks after the player is released, nothing will.
Was anyone around when DVD was launched? (Score:5, Insightful)
The $500 - $1000 hardware is ridiculously over-priced. When DVD launched, I remember salivating over the $1000 DVD players in the crutchfield catalog. DVD launched in 1997 (as I remember) and the hardware was expensive at first. My first player that I bought in 1998 wa $400. It took a couple years for prices to drop into the mainstream $100 level. This is the same thing that happens with every ne technology.
The choice of launch titles is stupid. My first DVDs (bought off a little spinning rack which contained the whole store's inventory) were Unforgiven and Ronin. These seem very similar to the launch titles of today - oscar winner (Unforgiven/Million Dollar Baby) and mid-level action (Ronin/Last Samurai). My guess is that these are good 'testing the waters' titles. They aren't so old that the sales volume would be low regardless and they aren't your heavy hitters (the Matrix, LOTR) that you want to promote heavily once player penetration is high enough that the money spent on marketing will help sell a lot of units.
The discs are way too expensive! This will get lower over time as well. Back in 98 there were no bargin bin $9.99 titles. The movies I bought were all around $25. It looks like the HD titles will be in the same ballpark. If the adoption is slow, expect them to stay there (basicall there will be consumer and videophile price levels) and if adoption is fast, watch them drop (to reach the widest consumer base).
The quality is not worth the upgrade. I would say seeing is believing on this one. Thats what it took for DVDs nearly 10 years ago. Granted DVD also had the side benefits of not being a tape mechanism and all the problems with that format. This was a real benefit that the new HD formats won't be able to use as a feature.
My DVDs work just fine! Do they expect me to re-buy my collection? While I'm sure the studios would love it if you did, no one is going to force you to. My interest mainly lies in new movies (why buy Superman Returns when it comes out on DVD instead of HD?) and replacing my absolute favorite films (LOTR will look amazing). I even read somewhere that films made before the 1970's used film stock that does not have enough resolution to make use of HD. I don't know if this is true but it is certainly possible.
Too much DRM! Thats valid. There is a lot of DRM with this round. But when DVD came out there was no DeCSS yet. Everyone lived with the copy protection. Most people just want to pop the disc into the player and watch anyway. I don't like the direction that all the DRM is going either but to say that this is any different from DVD is not accurate.
What this all boils down to is the same kind of launch that everything gets. The XBOX 360 is expensive and had somewhat marginal launch titles. I'm sure the PS3 will be the same and whatever the big thing is after that.
The big question is how successful will the HD format be (once someone wins the format war). I expect it to be something akin to Laser Disc for the next 5 years. It would be imediately popular with film lovers but everyone else will wait until it gets cheaper and they buy HDTVs. This may take 5 or more years. Eventually I think everyone will just buy an HD capable player becaue the prices will be equivalent, and it will play all your old DVDs. It won't be the massive shake-up that DVD was but it will eventually flow into the next generation pretty smoothly. Everyone will gradually switch over when their TVs support it and the player prices come down. Everyone wil start to have a mixed DVD/HD collection and nobody will really care.
Unless h.264 and massive broadband increases kill physical media first...
Re:Was anyone around when DVD was launched? (Score:2)
Not true. I'm pretty sure film dating back to at least the 1930s has definition comparable to HDTV, and certainly higher than DVD. Of course the condition of the film matters. . . An old faded, scratched-up, multi-generational film transferred to HD video will still look faded, scratched-up and blurry. The old films that
definition is not the problem (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm completely satisfied with my tv resolution. What I want is intelligent movies with a consisten end ingriging plot . The last one that I bought was Fight Club a long time ago.
Re:I forsee (Score:2)
Re:Nice selections - Don't count on it yet. (Score:5, Informative)
The studio will now release just three initial HD-DVD titles on April 18: Clint Eastwood's Best Pic Oscar winner 'Million Dollar Baby,' the Tom Cruise starrer 'The Last Samurai' and the big-budget screen update of 'The Phantom of the Opera.' Each title will have a retail list price of $28.98.
The three that you mention are supposed to be available "in the coming weeks" but "no street date has been set". Don't count on anything coming out until you get the official press release. And don't be surprised that those movies are not released for a long time if HD-DVD acceptance is lukewarm or colder.
Here's what I don't get (Score:3, Insightful)
But if you're a movie studio, why not release on whatever platform anybody wants? It's not like Warner has to buy a pressing plant. What is the economic argument for not having lots of movies available in HDDVD, BlueRay, or whatever format somebody wants to sell?
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Re:Nice selections (Score:2)
Deliberate attempt to tombstone special features? (Score:2)
Perhaps this will allow them to do this without looking like cheap bastards.
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Marketing Idea? (Score:2)
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Re:Stop comparing HD to SACD and DVD-Audio (Score:2, Interesting)
Well, I can, for well mastered SACD made from good "old" analog masters anyway. There's far less emptyness in the sound. Do not expect your own limitations to be the rule, there's a lot of people that can hear a difference between some generic crap and a good record and there's even more than could be educated to appreciate hidef audio format.
I do think tha
Wrong (Score:4, Informative)
OK, Pirates came with a High Definition movie on a regular old-fashioned DVD. (like grampa used to buy)
Not a HD-DVD, this new probably doomed format.