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Long Live Xbox Live Arcade

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the geometry-wars-as-halo-killer dept.


Edge Online has a piece up talking about the success of Xbox Live Arcade. They wonder out loud if the Live Arcade won't end up being the most important next-gen platform in this round of the console wars. From the article: "Live Arcade's conversion rate - the proportion of people who upgrade the demo to the full, paid-for version - is extraordinarily high, according to Canessa: 'The industry average on PC is about 0.8 per cent to one per cent, and in the first generation of Arcade we were hitting about 8.5 per cent, which was fantastic. But in this generation of Arcade we're hitting up to 35 per cent, and averaging over 20 per cent across all the titles. I mean, we had to check the data to make sure it wasn't a mistake. It's absolutely unheard of.'"

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live arcade (3, Insightful)

apoc06 (853263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14942673)

teh arcade is a great draw, but the real success is geometry wars. its a runaway smash with alot of buzz. that and the lack of a wide variety of solid retail titles. buying a full version of a demo for a fraction of the cost of a regular x360 title [and happens to be more fun] is a no brainer. when the AAA x360 titles arrive, maybe thats when we should compare numbers.

basically people have a $400 machine and are dying to play something on it. no big deal. but for the time being, they need to give geometry wars most of the credit there.

Re:live arcade (2, Interesting)

psocccer (105399) | more than 8 years ago | (#14942947)

teh arcade is a great draw, but the real success is geometry wars. its a runaway smash with alot of buzz.

I think this really describes it, I wonder how many of that 8% conversion is just people who bought geometry wars. A friend of mine got a 360 and a few games and they were OK, but we got bored of them pretty quick (DOA and Burnout) since it was mostly more of the same we had already been playing (DOA ultimate and .... well Burnout). I heard about the geometry wars thing here and told my friend about it so we tried it out. It was pretty sweet and very addicting, and since it was only like $5 he purchased it right on the spot.

At this point I thought maybe the arcade thing would be pretty sweet so we looked through some more of the titles... and the rest are pretty bad. I mean there are even card games. And total there are maybe 25-30 games right now? I don't know for sure because I didn't count but it's not a lot when you realize they have like 6 categories of games so when you go in to a particular category (like board games, action games, etc) there are only 4-5 games in there. So far he hasn't purchased any other games from the arcade because there aren't really any worth purchasing.

I know there are getting new games going in soon, like Street Fighter II which will be pretty cool, but I still find it a bit humorous that the best game on the 360 right now is a vector based asteroids clone basically that costs $5. On a machine that cost around $500 for the system, controllers, and hard drive :p

Re:live arcade (2, Funny)

tgd (2822) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943040)

I've bought quite a few games off there (Marble Madness, Zuma, Bejeweled 2, and that frog one thats totally escaping me right now...). The funny thing is I play Geometry Wars a lot, and I don't have the slightest inclination to buy it because I can't manage to get close to running out the four minute demo.

You've got amazing reflexes or have been popping speed pills if you're able to get that far! I'm clearly too old to do it myself.

Re:live arcade (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943593)

My friend was the same way. Last time I visited him he showed me that game (knows I'm a sucker for any kind of shooter). I immediatly decimated his measily 18k high score. Quickly I found that it takes a very analytical mind plus good reflexes to get that game down (reflexes are the most important). I don't have a link, but I think the best score attained so far has been somewheres around 12 mil. Makes my 128k seem like chump change. Then again, I've only been able to play it a few times. If I did some grinding for a few hours, might be able to break 1 mil.

Re:live arcade (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943155)

I've got my copy of Geometry Wars on my PGR3 disk. Is there a way to move it to the 360's hard drive so I don't have to load up PGR3 all the time?

Re:live arcade (3, Informative)

Saige (53303) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943184)

PGR3 only has the demo version of Geometry Wars. You can download the demo from Live Arcade to get the same thing there.

The full version is only available for purchase through XBLA.

Re:live arcade (2, Informative)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943220)

Geometry Wars is good, but it is not my favorite XBLA game.

That goes to Mutant Storm. A game I can actually 'finish'. Geometry Wars is just too damn hard. It is a good game, but hard.

I like the 'level' format that Mutant Storm has.

Re:live arcade (2, Insightful)

apoc06 (853263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943445)

the funny thing is i own the original mutant storm for xbox. i downloaded it from their early incarnation of live arcade. it runs at high res too. this is regular xbox here mind you.

the let down is that it costs $400 to play a few titles that could very well run on the $150 xboxes we already own.

Re:live arcade (2, Insightful)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943701)

But for me, these arcade games are just the little sprinkles on top of the icing on the cake.

Ghost Recon- now that is the cake- and the icing.
Call of Duty- lotsa cake, but some fucked up icing.
PGR 3 - carrot cake- which is cake, but I hate all of the guys on line who have a fit when you rub fenders with them. How is it that a single game can attract so many self-righteous jerks who feel that I am being an asshole, just because I am not GOOD at a game, and therefore can't drive in a straight line?

Hell, I've even spent some time playing Robotron on XBLA. Which is almost an exact port of a 20+ year old game. But it is still fun. And my $400 console is what delivers it to my fat ass while I sit on the couch, so I'm happy.

I *love* fancy, shiny, beautiful graphics. I really think they can add to a game. But if a game is good, I don't need those graphics. So I don't mind playing a game that could be played in last generation's consoles, as long as it is still fun.

Just a disclaimer though, it bugs the crap out of me that many people tend to think LESS of a game because of shiny and fancy graphics. Like there were only 1,000 hours of development available, and the time put into graphics was time taken away from 'gameplay'. I don't think games always need them, but I do think they benefit from them. But the XBLA games are usually the type that are based on very simplistic, repetitive gameplay- which is fun no matter what they look like.

Re:live arcade (1)

apoc06 (853263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943813)

i think my beef is that these downloads are not across the board. i can access xbox arcade via my xbox1, but i can not download robotron or geometry wars or any of the like, because they are optimized for the x360 architecture, and MS doesnt care enough to create a port for us older users.

i dont care about nice shiny graphics either; but i would be lying if i said that they didnt enhance an otherwise good experience. to me, the graphics are the icing. a solid involved game is its own reward, but now i need to upgrade again in order to enjoy that?

ill eventually buy a x360, but i need to wait and see more GR:aw and CoD-like titles to convince me first. im not a fan of having a $400 paperweight for my entertainment center until halo3 comes out /eventually/.

Re:live arcade (1)

Retroneous (879615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944445)

And when more GRAW and CoD2 type titles come out, you'll probably be first in line to say that the 360 is awash with GRAW and CoD2 type titles. Go and buy one. Now. GRAW, CoD2, PGR3, Condemned and the like are more than worth $400.

Re:live arcade (1)

apoc06 (853263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944849)

i dont mean that i specifically want more squad based shooters and FPSs. i mean i want to see a few more titles that are polished to thier level. i want to know that there will be quality titles in multiple genres for me to play by the time i dish out to buy mine.

Re:live arcade (1)

superultra (670002) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944582)

basically people have a $400 machine and are dying to play something on it. no big deal. but for the time being, they need to give geometry wars most of the credit there.

Oh, like the PC [wikipedia.org] !

New Market Strategy (3, Interesting)

Slant675 (168902) | more than 8 years ago | (#14942677)

There's really no wonder why this tactic works. The user ir provided with the ability to actually get hands-on experience with the product (one of the games from Arcade) and is able to play a decent amount of it. After this experience, much like iTunes, the user is able to simply hit a few buttons, enter a few bits of data (if that) and have the full version of the game they just became addicted to within minutes! This is a much better system since the user has to do nearly nothing except enjoy playing a game in order to be sold on the product. It is truely a new era: They already purchased something they wanted (an Xbox 360), now they are doing something they wanted to do (playing a game), and are able to obtain that same game without leaving their home!

Re:New Market Strategy (2, Insightful)

gorbachev (512743) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943021)

I don't think the trial versions are the main factor why XBox Live Arcade titles are doing so well.

I think the main factor is the marketplace points. Consumers are making the purchase not with real money, but with some abstract points. What's 400 points when you still have 1600 left. Making purchases doesn't feel like you're spending any money. That, I think, is the real reason why the titles have such a high conversion rate.

Re:New Market Strategy (4, Informative)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943171)

I agree with you that the points thing is important.

But it is not just because it isn't 'real money'.

I buy XBLA games because it is EASY. I don't have to go find my wallet and take out my card. I don't have to type in a bunch of numbers, I don't have to fill out any personal information and wonder how much spam I am requesting. I don't have to worry about whether or not my information is going to the Russian mafia.

I just click the 'buy this' button, and I'm done. Easy on-line purchasing has finally arrived. And I'm willing to give them $50 every few months (load up my points) to make it happen. Even putting in more money is easy.

I really don't give a shit about $50, or $100. I don't mind spending it if the process is easy, and it seems like I am getting something for my money. This just works well.

Imagine if QVC could do the same thing...

Re:New Market Strategy (1)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943730)

So ... they came up with the iTunes music store for games then? Or Amazon's one click shopping?

This is the wave of the future from five years ago :-)

Re:New Market Strategy (1)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944146)

No...it's not like iTunes, because the content is in HD, not Shit-D.

Amazon doesn't do the pre-payment. You get charged each time you make a purchase. Which you then have to deal with on your credit card bill. With XBLA I only charge my credit card occasionally.

And with Amazon, of course you don't get what you ordered right away, the usually have to ship it to you.

Except for things like audiobooks. Which is a *bad* thing to order from Amazon for compatibility reasons. (Do they still do audiobooks?)

Re:New Market Strategy (1)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943087)

Here's what I'm curious about though... If you buy a game off the Live Marketplace/Arcade/whatever... and then your Xbox dies and you have to get a new one, are you capable of redownloading all the games you already paid for again or does Microsoft want you to have to buy them all over again now?

Re:New Market Strategy (1)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943133)

Yes, you can download the games again.

On the first version of Xbox/Live, the games were tied to your Xbox.

Now they are tied to your gamertag. You can put your Live account info on a memory card, bring it to a friend's house, and download all of your games there.

When your Xbox Live account has been removed (you went back home) your friend will be left with the demo versions of the games.

Re:New Market Strategy (5, Informative)

Saige (53303) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943242)

XBLA games are tied to both the box they were downloaded on, and the gamertag that bought them.

You can put them on a memory card and play at a friend's place - if they have access to XBLA, then they can play the full version as long as your gamertag is logged in, and even copy it to their hard drive. But once your GT is gone, they revert to demo versions.

However, the box you bought them on has the full version available for every person who uses that 360. So you could technically be playing two copies of that game at the same time - one on the box you bought it on, and one on another with the buying gamertag logged in. And yes, this is intentional.

If the box you buy it on dies, and you end up with a replacement, you can redownload the game, but then you lose the ability to have other accounts play the full version without the purchasing one being logged in. You can try calling support in such a case - more than once they've worked with people who have had to send in their Xbox to get fresh versions on their new Xbox that properly link to that box.

Re:New Market Strategy (1)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943616)

Ah...someone who paid more attention that I did during the Major Nelson interview.

Thanks for the extra info.

Re:New Market Strategy (1)

Saige (53303) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943807)

Actually, I have even better sources for that information than Major Nelson's blogcast. [flickr.com] :)

Excellent! (2, Interesting)

DorkusMasterus (931246) | more than 8 years ago | (#14942681)

I think this is great! But at the same time, I think seeing the situation one year from now will really tell the tale. Anyone who gets a new system is going to likely get the "whole experience" right away. And then, after paying for the year of service, if they stick around... that will be the true measure of how well people accept/like/obsess about the Live service.

But it's still a great achievement.

Re:Excellent! (3, Informative)

ab8ten (551673) | more than 8 years ago | (#14942818)

But Live! Arcade is part of the no-fee section of Live! You only need to pay a subscription if you want to play muliplayer online. The content download, high score tables etc. parts of Live! are free.

Re:Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14943183)

I was going to make the same exact point ...

Essentially, with all of the shortages, the only people who have a XBox 360 are those who pre-ordered it (and a handful of people who were lucky enough to walk into a store and buy it. Even if you bought the XBox 360 on a "whim", at $400 (and $60 per game) their is a massive expence that would only be accepted by the most dedicated of gamers. Now, if you're willing to pay hundreds of dollars up front (potentially buying a ton of accessories and games to ensure getting on of the first systems) why would you care about the cost of XBox Live?

A similar example I can think of is the "collectors edition" of World of Warcraft. When WoW was released you'd see little pandas, diablos and zerglings everywhere and as time went on you started seeing them less and less; part of this was due to people getting bored with them, but if you create a character today (and give them a panda) people will annoy you with tells asking "where do you get the panda?". The fact is that "Hard-Core" people are more willing to spend money on stupid features than their more "Casual" counterparts.

I suspect that as the price of the XBox 360 drops you'll see a lower (and lower) adoption rate of XBox Live and XBox Live Arcade.

Of course it's doing well... (1)

wickedj (652189) | more than 8 years ago | (#14942860)

There isn't anything else to play on the 360 right now. There's what, maybe 20 full titles out right now. About half of them are any good. A quarter might garner repeat play. I'm not dissin' 360, all I'm saying is the numbers are skewed. Plus the numbers for XBox were taken over almost the complete life of the system compared to the few months the 360 has been out. Come back in 3 years and we'll probably see about 8.5%. The reason the PC numbers are so low is due to the fact that there are far more demos for PC than any other system. Almost every game for PC has a demo.

Who'da thunk? (3, Insightful)

interiot (50685) | more than 8 years ago | (#14942889)

WHO KNEW these activities would be popular???
  • Flash-based downloadable games
  • Being able to IM your friends, no matter what game they're in
  • High-score lists
Okay, granted, it wasn't clear that this stuff would readily trasnfer to consoles, and still be popular. What I don't get is, now that one console has shown these are far and away very popular, why other consoles don't pick up on it ASAP?

I guess, to some extent, we have to wait and see whether Sony's PNP or Nintendo's online service do these things. But given how unenthusiastically the companies have been dragged into having a centralized online service, and the likelihood that Sony will focus on trying to sell its other media assets, and might neglect the gaming aspects of the online service (central IM, high-score lists, and there's still room for more features).

I am so sick... (-1, Flamebait)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943019)

...of the press letting the 360 off the hook for its UTTER lack of good software, simply because Xbox Live is nifty. To answer the articles absurd question: no, Xbox Live Arcade will not become the most important next-gen platform in this round of the console wars.

Re:I am so sick... (3, Informative)

gorbachev (512743) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943312)

There're some great games on the 360. Granted not as many as people might like, but there absolutely is enough great games on it already.

CoD2, GRAW, PGR3 are all best of breed games. Burnout Revenge is as good as you can get in its genre as well. FNR3 is the best boxing game on any platform. There's a good sports game for every major sports, except baseball (coming out in a month) and hockey (NHL 2K6 is buggy as hell).

Top Spin 2 is coming out in April, as is BF2. Both expected to be phenomenal games from what I've seen so far. Blazing Angels, coming out next week, looks like it's going to be amazing as well. Oblivion, coming out next week, is going to corner the RPG genre.

I own a 360 and I simply do not have enough time to play all of my games on it, even without the new games coming out in the next month and a half.

If you expect a video game platform that's been out only for 6 months to have a game library that's as big as some of the established platforms, you're just not being realiztic. You might've had a point in November, but your point is not a very good one at this point in time.

Re:I am so sick... (1)

FryingDutchman (891770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943339)

Well said - nickelodeon games and live chat won't make up for an overall lack of software and certainly don't justify a $400+ investment in dedicated equipment.

Re:I am so sick... (1)

DemonFox (932284) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943789)

Have you played the "nickelodeon" games? I have played the Marble a lot. It was fun! It was a blast! My friends and I spent hours beating each others times on single player levels. I think people want to play games that have fun and exciting game play. I might add that Marble has no load time to replay a level - NONE, and the HD graphics are great on a big screen. I have to disagree with you disparaging the fun arcade games as "nickelodeon." Implying, I guess, that only children play them? I am 27 and my friends all around that age. One friend has not bought anything except arcade games for his box .

Re:I am so sick... (1)

FryingDutchman (891770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943872)

You misinterperated my point that games such as those don't justify a $400 system. I in no way disparage small, addicitive, and creative games - espeically the practice of selling them a la carte online with a simple interface. It's a great idea - and so far it's been well executed, but it's not something that needs to be exclusive to Xbox. The fact that you have friend our age (we share the same approximate vintage) owns no game save the ones he buys online proves the argument that Xbox Live is arguably the only reason to buy this $400 piece of equipment. That was my point - a lack of genuine releases. Love nickelodeon games, love the concept and marketing. Hate that the Xbox diverts attention from it's shortcomings by waving this flag of Xbox live Arcade,

Re:I am so sick... (1)

oc255 (218044) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943992)

Fine, I agree. Xbox doesn't have much out yet, even for $400. I can't even find it anywhere. Oh well, plenty of other stuff to do.

Re:I am so sick... (1)

FryingDutchman (891770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944032)

There's something I can agree with .... hey wait! It's YOU! You're just trying to promote your pro-WoW agenda!

Re:I am so sick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14943377)

First-to-Market envy eh?

Re:I am so sick... (1)

rrdm2k (932657) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943584)

I don't think Xbox live arcade will be the most important thing for the next-gen consoles but it must be important for Sony and Nintendo to go down similar routes.

The PS3 and the revolution will both have some kind of xbox love arcade functionality to them, be it the downloadable nintendo back catalogue or the PS2 game streaming thing. If anything I think the Nintendo back catalogue could be a very important feature for the revolution, Nintendo has some sweet games under its belt and I'd love to be able to play all the NES/SNES/N64 classics (legally) on the same console.

I also don't think GRAW, CoD2 and next week Oblivion count as an "UTTER" lack of good software.

Re:I am so sick... (2, Informative)

jchenx (267053) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943627)

I wish the folks who knock the 360 for the "utter lack of good software" pointed out what type of games they're actually looking for. The 360 already has plenty of sports games, racing games, and a handful of FPS titles. They're pretty decent as well. It's only got one platformer game as far as I know (Kameo), only one fighting game (DOA 4), and no RPGs yet.

So, is the problem that you love a certain genre and it's not there? (And as an RPG fan, I can agree on that point) Or is it that you've played the 360 games and just don't like them? Or are you just a Sony fanboi who will 3 Sony 4EVAH!!!!

Were sick of the genre's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14944462)

Generic Space FPS
Driving Game

Weve played them all, there are dozens of top level quality games of each genre that you can get used for cheap today. Whats the draw?

needs new game mechanics, new ways to play. Something we havnt seen.

Bottleneck (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943085)

Arcade could have been so much more if MS had included a bigger hard drive. People would love to download full retail games, not only smaller games like Mutant Storm and Geometry Wars, but their diskspace will be severely limited to only a couple of titles at a time. If only the internet were faster, Live users could subscribe to streamed games. Alas, that's too much to hope for in this generation of consoles.

Re:Bottleneck (2, Interesting)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943269)

Actually, it is a little bit worse than that.

If Microsoft had made the hard-drive STANDARD we could have downloaded bigger games.

For a game to be put on Xbox Live Arcade, it MUST fit on a memory card.

But then again, I don't think any of the games are even close to filling that.

Re:Bottleneck (0)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943308)

That brings up another point! What the hell is the point of a memory card when you have a hard drive!? So you can continue your 60 hour RPG at your friend's house? How sociable!

Re:Bottleneck (1)

maddskillz (207500) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943731)

I would think it's more for if you want to bring your garage from a racing game over

Re:Bottleneck (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944132)

Well, what better way to use Xbox Live?

BTW, what's the cheat code in your sig?

Re:Bottleneck (1)

magictiger (952241) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947157)

I recognize it as 9 lives in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Arcade Game. I spent hours playing that game growing up.

Re:Bottleneck (1)

Saige (53303) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943819)

You can move your Xbox Live account onto your memory card, so you can play at a friend's house and still each achievements and get on scoreboards and play online. Along with bringing over data from a game so you can get all your unlocked characters/cars/created content.

Re:Bottleneck (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944490)

So you need to buy physical medium to access your online profile and data? Yikes!! That's like swiping your driver's license into a computer to check your Gmail.

Re:Bottleneck (1)

Saige (53303) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944735)

Your profile is more than just a username and password. All the achievements are tracked locally (which enables earning them offline and connecting to live later), and there's a significant amount of data associated with that specific profile, such as various settings. By default, this is stored on the HD of the 360 (if you have one), but moving it to the memory card enables portability.

There is also only one instance of the account allowed to be in existence at once, due to various syncing issues. You can "recover" your gamertag to any other Xbox 360, but doing so will lose your settings, and invalidate all other instances of that gamertag.

So it's more like having the option to save your email account to a USB key, so that you can take the key and not only check mail from any internet-connected PC, but that you have all your mail, your address book, and calendar available when offline on those PCs.

Per cent (1)

Tankko (911999) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943131)

"Per cent"?

Isn't it "Percent"?

Maybe from a math standpoint they might be the same thing...

Re:Per cent (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943404)

Same "word," different spelling.

Going to the Arcade (2, Insightful)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943193)

I have mixed feelings about services like this.

On one hand, I find it ironic that the most popular feature of a four hundred dollar console primarily propagandized as ZOMG POWREFUL is a service that lets you download games that could run on ten-year-old consoles.

On the other hand, I'm excited for what could be the "return" of the arcade, shifting from a physical place to an online service

This wont last (1)

acidrain (35064) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943226)

The reason people are buying these is becase they have too much money, as evidenced by buying a Xbox360 at this point in the game, and having spent all that moneny and not being able to buy many games, a few cheap downloads start looking pretty attractive. Once prices come down, and somehting resembling mainstream buyers enter the market this situation will correct itself.

Re:This wont last (1)

robbway (200983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943917)

You point out an interesting demographic, the Early Adopter. Early Adopters either have more disposable income or have a credit card problem. Also, the timing of bringing out more arcade games in future lulls of game releases will help the trend, too.

Re:This wont last (1)

AgentDib (931969) | more than 8 years ago | (#14945275)

I'm afraid I have some really bad news for you.

A 2006 season pass lift ticket at Whistler is $1,329.
A 2005 kawasaki jet ski will run you around $10,000.
A great home theater system will run you at least $2000.

$400 for a gaming console that you will use heavily for several years is perfectly reasonable, especially when contrasted with typical alternatives that the target Xbox360 audience might select from. It's not even that exclusive of an audience - the recommended entertaintment spending for somebody with an entry level 30k job is 5%, or $1500.

Huh? (-1, Flamebait)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943398)

OK, this is stupid. First the conversion rate thing. The conversion rate between a $5 game is different from that of a $65 game. No. Really.

The ability to play PopCap style games on an XBox 360 isn't going to give them a big advantage in the console race. No one will buy a $400 console just to play $5 games. Besides, Sony will be selling PSOne games to play on the PSP, how much you want to be they'll let you play them on your PS3? They could easily do the same with PS2 games. Plus there is nothing stopping them from offering the same thing.

Nintendo will let you download and play GB/GBA/NES/SNES/N64/GC games, so they can compete on that front easily. Plus, again, they could have new PopCap style games as well.

Re:Huh? (1)

metrunecs (956777) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943544)

I guess the difference is that when I go home, I can actually play these games on my 360. Not gonna happen on PS3 or Rev tonight.

Re:Huh? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943641)

The article seems to paint this like this is the thing that will be the key to the 360 being more successful than the Rev or PS3. When all three are out, all three will have something similar. That's my point.

If the article point is that this is what's helping the 360 win the next-gen race right now... that's stupid. It's the only next-gen console out. It is currently winning by default.

Re:Huh? (1)

apoc06 (853263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944729)

i dunno, what do you think will go over better: people that can download demos and indie software, or "retro" AAA - titles that have already been rated and proven fun?

honestly, the live arcade serves a purpose, i dont think that the rev or ps3 download services will even be in the same level of competition. they have huge back libraries and way more loyal fans to those series, whereas microsoft doesnt. i think the live arcade will survive, but MS marketting can NOT position it as a competitor to someone like nintendos full first party back catalog. live arcade will be an alternative to the rev and ps3 solutions, not a superior solution.

Re:Huh? (1)

maddskillz (207500) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943747)

You might not play $5 on a $400 console. I probably wouldn't either. But most of these games are going into homes with families. I know my parent's computer is an email/solitaire machine. If I lived at home, I am sure my mom would be happy to play these games on a big screen

Re:Huh? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943768)

I'd play 'em. If I had a 360 I'd play 'em. I'd love to try Geometry Wars. What I meant was, no one is going to buy a 360 just for these games. I don't see this as any real advantage since Nintendo (and quite possibly Sony) will have similar things.

It's a good thing, no doubt, I just think the article is making far too much of it.

maybe not (0)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14943491)

"No one will buy a $400 console just to play $5 games"

It is a $300 console, but you are still correct.

Many many people, although, will select a $300 360 over a $600 PS3 when these $5 games are also in the equation.

Re:maybe not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14943946)

Wow I spent about $400 on a system that can do all that fancy stuff (IM's, games, and centralized servers) OMG! it's my home PC! You idiots and your xbox that I spent too much about and it's more hype than anything. Let's face it the innovation isn't there and I am not going to spend all of this money just to play geometry wars when some asshole is just going to copy it and port it to the pc anyways? Last generation I bought a PS2 and shouldn't have bothered with that considering the amount of dust that thing has collected. Let's face it you spent $400 on a paper weight and I can play all the same exact stuff with my computer. I get more choice more playing time and I don't have to spend a crap load to keep it that way.

Re:maybe not (1)

apoc06 (853263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944649)

the $300 version of the xbox is not "complete". titles have already surfaced that /require/ the harddrive. if you buy a core version, youre SoL if you want to play all titles.

the trolling is starting to get out of hand. you dont know the price of the ps3 yet, and i dont see how you found a way to bring in a swipe at the ps3 when the topic is about the xbox live arcade...

for all we know sony could pull a coup and release the "full" ps3 at the same price as the core x360. not unheard of for sony.

Re:maybe not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14945505)

Actually, it's $400 if you want to buy the $5 downloadable games. The $300 version doesn't have a hard drive! Which is ironic, considering $300 is a more reasonable price point for a system that runs those $5 downloadable games.

Of course its a success... (1)

Vesuvias (584893) | more than 8 years ago | (#14944242)

Why wouldn't it be? These arcade titles are cheap, easy to get into, easy to get and install and because of Xbox Live are collabrative on some level (whether that be a friends sorted HiScore board or direct xbox live head to head).

We are social creatures. We want to watch what our friends watch and we want to play what our friends are playing. This console generation's war may be decided more on which console allows us to play with our friends and less on which console has the best games and hardware.

By allowing us to see what games our buddies are playing and what thier scores are, Live Marketplace may have just stumbled into the most viral marketing models we have seen yet.


MS Hype. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14944808)

This is the stupidest article ever. It might as well say "M$ releases pointless statistics in hopes of keeping their share price up." So few 360s are out and the only people who have them are the type of gamer who buys every game that comes out. The also take in consideration that all the games constantly get pushed back. When it came out in November, January was when all the games were supposed to come out. January rolled around and everything got pushed back until March. Now that it's March a couple titles got released but the majority got pushed back until summer - most all the way until fall. (I work at GameStop, I know my release dates).

The Arcade is just another way for Microsoft to take your money. It's nothing revolutionary and Nintendo and Sony will have the exact same thing on their consoles.
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