Awesome Multimedia Technology Heads for KDE 98
An anonymous reader writes "Linux Devices is reporting on a cool new multimedia technology that's slated to be incuded in KDE 4.0. The two key components are Phonon, a central hardware configuration database said to free multimedia applications from the need to configure hardware, and NMM (network-integrated multimedia middleware), a distributed multimedia architecture whereby multimedia content can be readily shared among networked devices and even 'handed over' from one device to another. Potential NMM applications include networked multimedia home entertainment systems, distributed and parallel media processing applications, distributed streaming servers and services, communication and control systems, and large-scale multimedia installations such as video walls, according to the article, which includes some interesting photos and diagrams. Phonon and NMM will be demonstrated at LinuxTag, May 3-6, in Wiesbaden, Germany."
Sure beats ARTS, anyway (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Sure beats ARTS, anyway (Score:2, Informative)
Hence the common: "killall arts && quake"
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e.g. have you ever tried artsdsp
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In fact off the top of my head I can think of only two really MAJOR complaint about it.
At least it's not VIIV.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Stop trolling (Score:1)
As for kwin, yes, a window manager sure is bloat...
Jesus, will these stupid trolls never stop.
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:5, Funny)
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:1)
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:5, Informative)
KDE consists of kdelibs + kdebase. Everything else is optional.
In fact, if you want to run an individual KDE application without the desktop environment, then even kdebase is optional.
If you try to install all of the packages that the Debian KDE maintainer has decided are part of "KDE", then what a suprise, you get ALL of them.
The big heap of dependencies you listed are 90% individual KDE applications that you are completely free to install or not.
If that is difficult, then that is an issue with the packaging of KDE on your distribution, not an issue with KDE itself.
See if there is a "kde-base" meta package you can install - if you do that, you'll get the much smaller set of applications that comprise the core of KDE, and then you can cherry pick the other applications that suit your needs.
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:2)
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Installing KBattleship in Gentoo, with no previous KDE packages installed, would give you three things: kdelibs, libkdegames and kbattleship.
Well, assuming you had all of the other dependencies installed. It has to depend on some other stuff, like libarts (unless that's part of kdelibs), libc, libgcc, etc.
On Debian:
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:2)
No they don't.
Please give an example.
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:4, Funny)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
kdelibs libkdegames everything
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Something like Debian GNU/kFreeBSD [debian.org] is very similar to this!
(The concept is that you can use KDE with other window managers instead of kwin)
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:2)
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:1)
And E [get-e.org] or GNOME [gnome.org] doesn't?
You, my dear sir, are an idiot. Not everyone shares the same interests, and it is practically impossible to find anyone who uses every single piece of software provided by a desktop environment.
What would nice however if this new technology used unix-style seperation of tasks, so that every window manager could use it, i.e. programs with commandlines like x_video_stream video.mpeg --window 12385 --default-x-serv
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:1, Troll)
You are calling /usr/include a mistake?
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:2)
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And I never said you weren't interested in running Linux on workstations. I said you aren't using Linux or a desktop in the class of KDE. KDE and gnome (if you count it, which I wouldn't) are the only desktop systems in KDE's class on Linux. There are many fine window managers on Linux that don't have similar feature sets to KDE. I particularly like Fluxbox and Enlightenment has a lot of "pow" effects, but they're not in the same class as KDE.
If you
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Now even more bloated, if you want it to be.. (Score:2, Informative)
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http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/kde-core [debian.org]
"This metapackage includes the core official modules released with KDE. This includes just the basic desktop (browser, file manager, text editor, control center, panel, etc.) and important libraries and data, in addition to the aRts soundserver."
If that's still too large for you:
http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/kdebase [debian.org]
"This package depends on the minimum nu
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:2, Insightful)
now excuse me if I call a package that absolutely needs
- A browser
- A control center
- A system panel
- A file manager
- A text ed
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The _meta_ package is _supposed_ to include the most commonly used apps. You don't have to install it - it's just there to make it easy for you _if_ you want to install the commonly used kde apps.
Re:"KDE 4.0: Now even more bloated!" (Score:1)
4.0 goodness (Score:3, Insightful)
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guess its still not THAT great afterall... come on someone, put up a hundred grand prize for the first "big name title" (some criteria to exclude stuff already on linux, and crap like madden from being eligable) to provide a native Linux version. or something... pretty KDE is nice and everything but... i miss my games
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D3 - nice to see, but its one of the 2 companies that do make linux versions, but theyre exempt from this cause well... theres 2 of them... and iD do it for Philosophical reasons (carmaks big on open source as his continuing trend to open up the engines shows)
Q4 - see above
UT*** - nice but so what... the reason is cause its developed primarily to be licenced and theyre nice enough not to stop people buying it to develop 3d software p
Re:4.0 goodness (Score:1)
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And a few people might consider "America's Army" to be a good native Linux game too.
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Companies can't justify a release for every platform, and many games are already segmented heavily along the various consoles and their iterations.
If you want to play the most popular games, you either (a) have the most popular platform (for the latest games) or (b) have an emulator -- and Linux has working emulators for many (if not most) popular platforms.
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Re:Awesome Multimedia Technology? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:DRM? (Score:2)
Re:DRM? (Score:1, Interesting)
Essentially, it boils down to this: the PC hardware itself checks whether you are running the right binaries, and if not, the other end (be it across the internet or a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD drive or anything else with a TC chip incl
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Reversal of Fortune (Score:1, Insightful)
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Isn't this really plumbing? (Score:2)
The linkage to KDE for this software layer seems inappropriate to me.
Re:Isn't this really plumbing? (Score:4, Informative)
Phonon is just the c++ wrapper to make it easy for kde apps to use the middleware layer.
Re:Isn't this really plumbing? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Isn't this really plumbing? (Score:1)
These huge monolithic desktops are an annoying departure from The Unix Way. What makes it more annoying is that it doesn't need to be as bad as it is. These middleware layers could be separated, standardized, and made generally available.
Re:Isn't this really plumbing? (Score:2)
These huge monolithic desktops are an annoying departure from The Unix Way. What makes it more annoying is that it doesn't need to be as bad as it is. These middleware layers could be separated, standardized, and made generally available.
Well, we've already got Gnome/KDE/XFCE (each with several WM choices) on top of GTK+/QT on top of X on top of kernel interfaces. That's enough of an onion for me. Not to mention that you can happily go off and run any number of other window managers, minus the desktop en
Re:Isn't this really plumbing? (Score:2)
The sound system is abstracted out and can be used by kde/gnome/anything. The message system (dbus) is being standardised on. Kde, gnome, and other apps will use dbus.
The only middleware part that I would want standardised on now that isn't being standardised on at the moment would be kioslaves.
KDE is not departing away from The Unix Way at all. Please give an example of what middleware layers need to be separated etc.
Re:Isn't this really plumbing? (Score:2)
I don't think that's true at all. The "Unix Way" is to have lots of small scripts, apps, etc that all do one thing, do it well, and are constructed so as to be able to work together in order to perform more complex tasks. Your criticism of Gnome and KDE would be true if they were single, monolithic apps, but they're not. They're both composed of lots of little apps, libraries and scripts, all of which are (more or less) single-respon
Pretty cool (Score:1)
NMM? What about UPnP? (Score:3, Interesting)
Whether it does or not, UPnP is a standard that is beginning to be widely supported by new PC software and embedded hardware devices, while NMM is going to be stillborn unless it can achieve the market penetration that UPnP has.
Who cares about network-oriented decentralized multimedia when nothing on the network except your PC supports it?
The KDE developers would be much better off focusing on improving UPnP support so that KDE can "play nice" with other devices/software coming on the market, and THEN start researching replacements for UPnP.
Because UPnP isn't about multimedia... (Score:4, Informative)
/s/DirectPlay/DirectShow... (Score:2)
Re:Because UPnP isn't about multimedia... (Score:2)
I suggest you do a google search for djmount or Windows Media Connect.
UPnP may not be solely for multimedia, but it does contain a multimedia component called UPnP AV.
Not the same thing... (Score:2)
NMM is basically an API and is at a much higher level. To compare what we're talking about here you should really compare DirectShow, etc. with NMM, not UPnP.
UPnP is analogous to URB's, etc. within the USB spec. You typically do not see people coding for URB's and talking to the HID layer, etc. for USB devices- unless they're making device drivers or higher-level programmer API's for the devices
I can live without this addition (Score:1)
My GUI of choice is actually the Enlightenment Window Manager rather than any of the desktops, even then, I spend more time in a cli only environment than in an X session.
"Awesome Multimedia Te...." (Score:2)