The Wii Virtual Console Hands-On 143
Gamespot has a hands-on with the virtual console for the Wii. From the article: "Nintendo's Wii Virtual Console demo station featured five signature games from system's past: Super Mario Bros. from the NES, Super Mario World from the SNES, Super Mario 64 from the Nintendo 64, Sonic the Hedgehog from the Sega Genesis, and Bonk's Adventure from the TurboGrafix 16. The navigation menu only allowed us to scroll through the five title selection pages, so we didn't get a chance to select and download games to run."
games not published by Nintendo or Sega? (Score:3, Interesting)
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Hey look, it was even listed in the article summary!
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...or Hudson? (Score:2)
Take 2: Will there be any games by companies other than Nintendo, Sega, or Hudson?
Re:...or Hudson? (Score:2, Funny)
This could potentially go on for quite a while. I'll save you some trouble by revealing the exclusive knowledge that there will not be any games by any companies apart from the companies by which there are games.
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When is someone going to make a chapter based RPG like this again. I loved how you played as different characters in the first 4 chapters, and then as the hero in the 5th chapter as you met all the other characters from the first 4 chapters and teamed up with them. Amazing concept.
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Not too bad (Score:2)
Xbox soft-modding issues (Score:2)
If you're considering buying an original Xbox to run emulators on as opposed to using the Wii Virtual Console:
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2. a rom reader with USB or RS-232 interface. buy old games from thrift stores. at this point you may also want to pick up the original console.
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Doesn't the UDE2 exploit work with 1.6? At least, I just did a brand new one in January that I'm pretty sure was a 1.6.
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Note to moderators: This sub-discussion is about modding an original Xbox console (not the Xbox 360) as an alternative to buying a Wii for its Virtual Console.
a) you cant.
So if I'm buying a used Xbox console online, how do I make sure that the firmware is pre-1.6 [xbox-linux.org] before I bid?
b) buy a used copy [of MechAssault], or rent a copy
How can I tell, based on the description on half.com or gamefly.com, whether the disc is in fact Part No. X08-82262 (if new in shrink wrap) or Part No. X08-82264 (if used)
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How about finding a used copy of the game without the "greatest hits" banner on the box? MS didn't suddenly make the old version disappear, you know.
And you could always still hard-mod it. :-) Of course they've made hard mods a total pain in the butt with v1.6 motherboard, but that doesn't stop you from buying an older Xbox used. Besides,
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How about finding a used copy of the game without the "greatest hits" banner on the box?
According to the howto page on xbox-linux.org, even some of the non-greatest-hits discs are the new version, which doesn't have the buffer overflow. One has to look for the part number on the packaging, which isn't possible with an online purchase.
but that doesn't stop you from buying an older Xbox used.
If I'm buying a used Xbox, how do I make sure that it is older? Would most sellers appreciate it if I asked t
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I'm not big on hard-modding personally; once you have the equipment and games you can literally mod an Xbox in about 5 minutes. The materials are about $20-$30 (exploitable game,
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The materials are about $20-$30 (exploitable game, Xbox Memory Card, Xbox Controller to USB adapter)
But do I have to already have a working Linux installation to write to the memory card? Or does Knoppix or Windows support writing to the memory card? And how do I make sure that I'm not buying a 1.6 Xbox?
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The memory card is in a special Xbox filesystem format, so there's a few different ways to access it. I'm pretty sure you could use one of the PC Linux distributions to directly upload using the filesystem, but the easier way is to use one of the utilities. I believe Datel's Action Replay for Xbox software still works to access the memory card; then all you do is drag the zip file w
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1. Put the "installer" save file on the memory card via an Action Replay USB dongle.
2. Load the save using a buggy version of whatever game you choose to use.
3. Burn a DVD for each console, loaded with the emulator for that console and all of that console's games. Since the Xbox is softmodded, it will run these DVDRs, and the end result is very nice and polished.
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Or so the cartridge publisher says; the reality is a bit more complicated. There certainly hasn't been any shortage of court rulings upholding domain-shifting for private use as legitimate, not even when involving the continued use of code written for now-obsolete hardware...
Heck, Nintendo can't even stop the bootleg Famicom makers peddling their wares in booths at every shopping mall in the c
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1(b): MechAssault is one of many games that can be used to install the exploit. It is easy to find the older versions of these games in used game stores, Ebay, or you can simply borrow a copy as you only need to use it for like 5 minutes... then you don't need the disc any longer.
2: You can use a copier to rip your cart's ROM images. You can buy a copier off of Ebay, www.tototek.com, and many
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I find it funny that PC fanboys are ejaculating semen from their penises over a feature that people who owned actual NES, SNES, Genesis, TG-16, etc. consoles had up to a decade before they did.
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No it can't. It's not the same thing at all.
You're using a clumsy hack to download illegal ROMs from unknown sources.
That's not what I'm excited about at all. I could do this for the past 10 years or more on my PC.
I'm excited that I can obtain legal copies of games that compensate the people who brought the game to me, and that I know it's from people who know how both the origional was programed, and how to emulate it on the new hardware. Without guesswork or clumsy hacks.
I log on, select a game, buy it legally, and play it. Simple. "Just works".
This is the same reason I don't purchase used games if I Can help it. New game sales tells the publisher that people like their game. I'm more likley to see more games like them in the future. This is a way for me to continue to tell publishers and developers that I liked their classic titles. This is what I've been waiting for for a long time.
Before you answer that you can legally rip any ROMs you own the carts for, it's not so. It's a common fallacy in the emmulation world. In most piracy circles, people get "legal advice" where they find some "loop hole" they like, and they are convinced it's valid. Whether it's based in reality or not (24 hour rule [gamefaqs.com], for instance.) The common myth in the US stems from USC 117 Section 17. It allows for owners of software to make a single backup copy. The purpose of this dates back to the 70s or 80s when software was distributed mostly on volatile magnetic storage mediums. People like to pretend that it extends to ROMs too, but in fact, not only is it not true, but case law (See Atari vs JS&A [worldofspectrum.org] or google it) contradicts it.
Obviously this will vary from country to country, but the most vocal "advocated" of this kind of thing come from the U.S.
Long story short, what the x-box has nothing like this at all. There's a series of hacks that try to aproximate it, but give almost none of the benefit I'm looking for, and none of the legality. Not the elegance or ease of use. It's like comparing building a car yourself to buying one off the lot. Good luck with that.
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This is the same reason I don't purchase used games if I Can help it.
However, Lumines Plus (for PS2), Lumines 2 (for PSP), and Lumines Mobile (for mobile phones) are distributed by a unit of The Walt Disney Company, which (unlike most other software publishers) has lobbied Congress for copyright term extensions. If I want Lumines Plus (and not some homebrew clone [pineight.com]), I have to either buy from Disney or buy used. I'd rather buy used, so as not to support Disney [losingnemo.com].
I log on, select a game, buy it legally, a
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In fact, you have probably never even played emulated games on an Xbox, let alone have you played them on the Wii. I have played them on the Xbox, I know what it is like. I can also deduce t
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What a stupid comment. Of course they're excited - because it's a) legally sanctioned and b) doesn't involving any kind of mods.
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Fan favorite? (Score:4, Interesting)
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I can't help but think that this means Superman 64 [ign.com] is all out...
I'd say, "That's a shame," but... (Score:1)
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Right now I have downloadable access to every NES, SNES, Genesis, and N64 game ever made, on my computer.
Yeah, for $150,000 per game [bitlaw.com] (or foreign counterparts).
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They're also not legal.
Wiiiiiii ! (Score:5, Insightful)
Then I wondered why Nintendo chose to throw out the standard controller and move to something totally unorthodox, and thought that's a stupid move.
I also recently laughed about the Wii name and discussed with friends that it'll fail sales.
Now I know, Wii is THE console I will buy the moment it's out, because it provides an amazing value at a lower price and amazing innovation right in your living room.
I may even buy one for my mother and grandmother, cause I always like to push technology down their throat, like any self-respecting geek should, and I think it'll be easier and more fun this time
BTW, did you notice the guy talking on the Sony pressconference sounded pretty depressed after the Wii presentation the previous day
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I could make some filthy joke about people shoving wee's down other people's throats - but that would be crass and wrong and I'd never stoop to doing something like that, particularly in a public forum. It's just wrong.
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Sony has no reason to be depressed or worried about Wii at all.
I've wondered about this before and I still don't get it: Sony sucks for releasing a truly next gen console ("no innovation!") and Nintendo rocks for releasing Gamecube in a new case ("innovation!") and a new controller?
Many Nintendo fans seem to think that Nintendo will win th
Re:Wiiiiiii ! (Score:2)
Please define "next gen".
I could (and will) argue that creating a new paradigm for player/game interaction is a more important indicator of "next gen-ness" than any other new feature present on the new batch of consoles, possibly excluding the maturation of online multiplayer.
It's great that a 360 or PS3 will be able to push more polygons at higher resolutions than their predecessors ever
Re:Wiiiiiii ! (Score:2)
Mhm, well, isn't the DS an upgrade to the Advance? Extra touch screen, better chips with 3D ability? I thought it can play advance games or not?
Answer me this: (Score:4, Insightful)
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Expect no more than a few bucks per title and maybe some games for free.
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Expect no more than a few bucks per title and maybe some games for free.
You should worry about it. We're talking about Nintendo, who currently resells old console games on the Game Boy for $30 each instead of bundling several games into a "collection" like every other retro-gaming company on earth.
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Got a link to support that?
I've never seen the "NES Classic" series games retailing for more than $20, and that was when they were new -- the prices are down to $15 now
Still too expensive for your tastes? Maybe we should look at the release of many of those same NES launch titles in GBA e-Card format, instead. Those titles typically sold for under $5.
In any case, the Virtual Console won't have any of the bric
Re:Answer me this: (Score:3, Informative)
Good luck on getting an answer. This is Nintendo we are talking about. They don't give out information any earlier than they have to even if there is no reason to be secretive.
They have mentioned per-game fees differing by console with N64 games the highest at $10, but those numbers were not final. A monthly fee option is not out of the question.
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I admit that I mostly follow Nintendo news, but last I checked Nintendo was copying Microsoft's idea of the XBox Live Arcade for Wii downloadable games and demos along with Virtual Console downloads of games for past systems. (Not that it is an especially innovative and original idea, but it is a good idea, and Microsoft did do it first.)
As far as I can tell, there is nothing really stopping Microsoft from, say, making a Nintendo 64 emulator for XBox 360 and offering Perfect Dark and 007: Golden Eye downlo
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Not if it means you can only play while you're still subscribed. But I highly doubt that nintendo will do this.
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Virtual Console to support Home-Brew? (Score:5, Informative)
This fits nicely with previous claims that developers of any size will be able to develop for the Wii (virtual console).
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Request for Content: Ys Book I & II (Score:2)
That game was so mesmerizing at the time. The music was some of the best ever composed for a game, in my opinion. I'm tempted to buy a copy of the disc from ebay just to rip the music... I recall with the TGCD games,
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The iTunes Store of Games? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Other consoles (Score:2)
Personally, I'd be waiting for SNK Neo Geo support. Though I believe the NG is still somewhat alive.
The current range of systems doesn't really attract me personally, but if they can support the NG, I'd buy the Wii. I'm sure there will be others for whom different types of console emulation would also strike a chord; Lynx, Game Gear, Master System, Game Boy, NG Pocket, perhaps eve
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Re:This is why slashdot sucks. (Score:2)
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BTW, shouldn't it be "Homestar Bunmaker"?
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On a side note, the script-blocking image is making me type "molest" to continue. How nice.
Re:Wild Speculation (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Wild Speculation (Score:1, Troll)
Wait I'm not done yet. End of 2009, Microsoft buys Slashdot, and bans all MS haters and makes Slashdot a nice friendly place where Windows users can share their great XPeriences.
Suck my tiny yellow b*lls. (Score:2, Informative)
Late 2007, Microsoft buys Nintendo.
O rly? Hey Ballmer, why don't you suck my tiny yellow balls [google.com]?
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Re:Wild Speculation (Score:2)
That's where I stopped reading.
Re:Wild Speculation (Score:2)
Totally unbelievable.
PS3 turns out to be a massive failure and 6 months later Sony's PS3 hardware groupis bought by Microsoft.
Next to unbelievable but maybe enough to let you keep reading.
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Re:Wild Speculation (Score:4, Insightful)
1 decent console + 1 mediocre handheld + 1 overhyped and horribly expensive console = Nintendo's death? Sounds like Captain Planet gone horribly wrong [vgcats.com].
Nintendo lacks the hard cash MS has, and soon the innovations of Wii are quickly drowned in the ad campaigns and promotions MS does.
Yeah, because dumping all that money worked so well last time....They barely beat the Gamecube in sales, got clobbered by the PS2, lost billions of dollars, and failed to establish a strong foothold in Japan.
Late 2007, Microsoft buys Nintendo.
Okay, that crosses the line from speculation into total insanity
Late 2008, a new console is released by Microsoft: the XWiiPlay, which uses an advanced version of the Wii-mote, packed with a standard controller extension, and can emulate all Sony, Sega, Microsoft and Nintendo consoles in existence, including Virtual Boy.
Keep dreaming
2009: Hiroshi Yamauchi [wikipedia.org] comes out of retirement from his Jurassic Park-style secret lair, leading an army of genetically-engineered killer Pokemon against Microsoft. Revenge is swift and bloody, with the heads of Bill Gates and Steve Balmer last seen used as chew toys by a rabid Pikachu. Nintendo reclaims their rightful place for all eternity.
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However, despite the obscene gobs of money MS makes, AFAIK their only source of profit is still their OS + Office, which is also precarious.
So, how about: Sony's PS3 struggles for profitability and leaves the company in shaky ground, shell of its former self.
MS is forced to abandom yet another money losing venture (XBox 360 still-born in Japan, insufficient sales in the rest of the world to justify more console
Re:Hudson Promises 100 Virtual Console Games (Score:2)
Access to every Bomberman game ever made on any console ever.
Just add keg.
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Re:My Xbox can already play those games. (Score:2)
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And if the person I originally replied to owns every rom on his Xbox then I'm Richard Stallman.
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