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Nike+Apple=??? (4, Funny)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389647)

What would happen if Nike & Apple got together? [shey.net]

Below is an email correspondence with customer service representatives at iPOD iD, an on-line service that lets people buy personalized iPOD shoes. The dialog began when iPOD cancelled an order for a pair of shoes customized with the word "sweatshop." [get the latest on this story at shey.net]

From: "Personalize, iPOD iD"
To: "'W. McFarnby (not really) [shey.net] '"
Subject: RE: Your iPOD iD order o16468000

Your iPOD iD order was cancelled for one or more of the following reasons.

1) Your Personal iD contains another party's trademark or other intellectual property.
2) Your Personal iD contains the name of an athlete or team we do not have the legal right to use.
3) Your Personal iD was left blank. Did you not want any personalization?
4) Your Personal iD contains profanity or inappropriate slang, and besides, your mother would slap us.

If you wish to reorder your iPOD iD product with a new personalization please visit us again at www.iPOD.com
Thank you,
iPOD iD

From: "W. McFarnby (not really) [shey.net] "
To: "Personalize, iPOD iD"
Subject: RE: Your iPOD iD order o16468000

Greetings,

My order was canceled but my personal iPOD iD does not violate any of the criteria outlined in your message. The Personal iD on my custom ZOOM XC USA running shoes was the word "sweatshop." Sweatshop is not: 1) another's party's trademark, 2) the name of an athlete, 3) blank, or 4) profanity. I choose the iD because I wanted to remember the toil and labor of the children that made my shoes. Could you please ship them to me immediately.

Thanks and Happy New Year,
Wynn McF (not really) [shey.net]

From: "Personalize, iPOD iD"
To: "'W. McFarnby (not really) [shey.net] '"
Subject: RE: Your iPOD iD order o16468000

Dear iPOD iD Customer,

Your iPOD iD order was cancelled because the iD you have chosen contains, as stated in the previous e-mail correspondence, "inappropriate slang".

If you wish to reorder your iPOD iD product with a new personalization please visit us again at www.iPOD.com

Thank you,
iPOD iD

From: "W. McFarnby (not really) [shey.net] "
To: "Personalize, iPOD iD"
Subject: RE: Your iPOD iD order o16468000

Dear iPOD iD,

Thank you for your quick response to my inquiry about my custom ZOOM XC USA running shoes. Although I commend you for your prompt customer service, I disagree with the claim that my personal iD was inappropriate slang. After consulting Webster's Dictionary, I discovered that "sweatshop" is in fact part of standard English, and not slang. The word means: "a shop or factory in which workers are employed for long hours at low wages and under unhealthy conditions" and its origin dates from 1892. So my personal iD does meet the criteria detailed in your first email.

Your web site advertises that the iPOD iD program is "about freedom to choose and freedom to express who you are." I share iPOD's love of freedom and personal expression. The site also says that "If you want it done right...build it yourself." I was thrilled to be able to build my own shoes, and my personal iD was offered as a small token of appreciation for the sweatshop workers poised to help me realize my vision. I hope that you will value my freedom of expression and reconsider your decision to reject my order.

Thank you,
Wynn McF (not really) [shey.net]

From: "Personalize, iPOD iD"
To: "'W. McFarnby (not really) [shey.net] '"
Subject: RE: Your iPOD iD order o16468000

Dear iPOD iD Customer,

Regarding the rules for personalization it also states on the iPOD iD web site that "iPOD reserves the right to cancel any Personal iD up to 24 hours after it has been submitted".

In addition it further explains:

"While we honor most personal iDs, we cannot honor every one. Some may be (or contain) others' trademarks, or the names of certain professional sports teams, athletes or celebrities that iPOD does not have the right to use. Others may contain material that we consider inappropriate or simply do not want to place on our products.

Unfortunately, at times this obliges us to decline personal iDs that may otherwise seem unobjectionable. In any event, we will let you know if we decline your personal iD, and we will offer you the chance to submit another."

With these rules in mind we cannot accept your order as submitted.

If you wish to reorder your iPOD iD product with a new personalization please visit us again at www.iPOD.com

Thank you, iPOD iD

From: "W. McFarnby (not really) [shey.net] "
To: "Personalize, iPOD iD"
Subject: RE: Your iPOD iD order o16468000

Dear iPOD iD,

Thank you for the time and energy you have spent on my request. I have decided to order the shoes with a different iD, but I would like to make one small request. Could you please send me a color snapshot of the ten-year-old Vietnamese girl who makes my shoes?

Thanks,

-wmf

(with apologies to Jonah H. Peretti)

Re:Nike+Apple=??? (3, Interesting)

Aadain2001 (684036) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389775)

You realize that Nike hasn't run sweatshops for a long time now right? The factories in Asia used to be contracted by Nike to produce shoes, so Nike did not own them. After all the bad PR they moved in and took over the factories and now the people have very nice working conditions and earn a much higher than average wage compared to the rest of the countries over there. If you would like to end sweatshops, try talking to Adidas, Rebook, etc, which still do use sweatshop in Asia.

Re:Nike+Apple=??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389870)

You realize that Nike hasn't run sweatshops for a long time now right?

Nike never ran factories - they outsourced component manufacturing & assembly.

They continue to do that (in sweatshops), but you are (surprisingly) kind of right that we should not be too harsh on nike - because everyone does it. Apple, IBM, wal-mart, hoover, disney, etc. All the multinats.

The first world sits atop the third. It's sad, but that's the reality.

Re:Nike+Apple=??? (2, Insightful)

DeadPrez (129998) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389841)

You should have just changed your name to "child_labor" as that would be a more formal description.

Re:Nike+Apple=??? (2, Insightful)

johndierks (784521) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389868)

I actually played with that site a few years back to see which terms were acceptable and which weren't, and it appeared that the word 'labor' was not allowed. Strange considering 'labor' is a fitting term to what one might do in running shoes.

Re:Nike+Apple=??? (1, Offtopic)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389854)

Another possibility with a Nike/Apple experience is what I ran into this morning in trying to upgrade my Apple Quicktime (free) software on a Windows XP box - it said my email address was invalid (amusing, guess all 20,000 students at the UW don't have emails).

Which makes me think of someone running along, listening to their iPod, and it starts to download a firmware upgrade and cuts out midstride, setting their running shoes on fire.

Feet don't fail me now!

Re:Nike+Apple=??? (5, Funny)

bertramwooster (763417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389960)

Oh. I thought you were going to say Nipple. Never mind.

Another toy for the list (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15390028)

An abundance of add-on gadgets, and still no FM Tuner. Talk about thinking different.

Why? (3, Funny)

cephalien (529516) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389663)

Not to be a prude about this, but what exactly is the point? How much do regular pedometers cost?

I know I've seen some for less than 30 bucks. Yeah, sure. There's the wow factor

(hey, lookee at my over-priced Nikes. Did you know I spent 30 bucks more and they can talk to my iPod? -- wow, I've gone to the couch and back six times in the last hour, logging 50 steps!)

But not much else. I love technology as much as the next person on /., but there's got to be a better use for it.

Sexy Female Voice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389827)

Regular pedometers don't talk to you in a sexy female voice that encourages you to keep going. Plus, it syncs online to a database so you can compare / contrast to other users. Or if boasting isn't your thing, you can download your data onto the computer for use in charting your progress.

Its actually quite ingenious, and very well priced.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389910)

Can you easily sync a regular pedometer to a website to let you "compete" with a friend half a continent away? It's a fun little idea for people who enjoy running. There are better uses for those chips in your PlayStation, too, but not everything in life needs to have a serious use.

This is actually very clever marketing. Not only will the novelty of it grab people's interest and the attention of the press, but it further cements Apple's position as a consumer-friendly gadget company. Love them or hate them, Apple has been making some brilliant moves over the last few years.

Sheesh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389956)

Can they get this interface to work with Waterskis as well as I think it's time for the iPod to jump over a shark.

Re:Why? (1)

HTTP Error 403 403.9 (628865) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389998)

wow, I've gone to the couch and back six times in the last hour, logging 50 steps!

I love technology as much as the next person on /., but there's got to be a better use for it.

How about jogging?

Re:Why? (2, Informative)

dontEATnachos (611276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390069)

ok, there is actually some cool stuff involved here.

1) It's not just a pedometer ... if it's anything like the other Nike running gear, it actually uses an accelerometer and some other crazy stuff to figure out how far you're running. Instead of just saying that a single step = X number of feet it tries to figure out how far you really moved your foot.

2) As others have mentioned, it actually reads the status to you so you don't have to look at your iPod as you run.

3) Perhaps my favorite: Power Song activation. You can assign the middle button of the iPod to your power song. That way when you need that extra kick from a high energy song it's easy access. Once it's done playing, it goes back to your regular music.

The only thing that would make this better would be if Nike wasn't so anti-GPS.

desperation (-1, Troll)

boxlight (928484) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389667)

Apple needs to find new markets for iPod. This one cannot work. It's just too stupid. Putting a Nano on an arm band is too inconvenient, but sticking in your shoe is? Gimme a break.

Where's that good ol Apple innovation we love so much.

boxlight

No - it's perfect for Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389757)

They just released the name of this product. It's called iMgay.

Re:desperation (1)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389787)

I have 5 iPods in my left shoe alone... speek for your self.

Nah, I think it's a pretty shrewd move. (3, Insightful)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389794)

On both their parts. While joggers might not be a huge percentage of total mp3 player sales, I'd bet almost everyone who jogs anymore either has or plans to buy one. Apple may have just swallowed them all up. The data tracking function is probably a much bigger deal to those types than lardasses like er.. us realize. Nike gets to sell people another pair of overpriced shoes (probably moreso than usual) and horn in on Apple's brand recognition. Nike might be big in the shoe racket, but those Nike branded Phillips players didn't exactly take the world by storm.

iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone? (4, Funny)

green pizza (159161) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389675)

Sounds like a neat idea, but I'm waiting for the iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone.

"This shoephone holds over 5 billion songs! ...
Would you believe 10,000 songs and 5,000 ringtones?"

Re:iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone? (2, Informative)

pedalman (958492) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389799)

Sounds like a neat idea, but I'm waiting for the iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone.
Sorry, but you are years too late. From the following reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_Smart [wikipedia.org]

"Perhaps the most recognisable 'gag' from the show was Maxwell Smart's shoe phone, which has become somewhat of a comic icon: Smart would communicate with CONTROL using a rotary-dialled telephone concealed in his shoe, similar to a modern cell phone. While such a device was decades ahead of its time in real life, the need to take off his shoe to use it and the loud bell among other design flaws lead to various humorously awkward situations."

Re:iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389860)

WHOOSH.

Re:iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone? (2, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390022)

WHOOSH.

I'm sorry, but shouldn't that be "swoosh"?

Re:iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone? (2, Funny)

NMerriam (15122) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389902)

*whoosh*

talk about missing the joke.

Would you believe fifty security guards and a bloodhound?

Re:iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone? (5, Funny)

Dhar (19056) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389941)

Missed the joke by THAT much! *holds up almost-touching fingers*

-g.

Re:iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone? (1)

AndyG314 (760442) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389811)

Wasn't there a Shoe Phone in Get Smart?

Re:iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone? (2, Interesting)

dancpsu (822623) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389875)

Actually, when I first read the headline, I thought Apple was doing some mobile DDR with shoe accelerometers connected to the iPod.

Re:iPhone + Nike = Shoe Phone? (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390031)

Actually, when I first read the headline, I thought Apple was doing some mobile DDR with shoe accelerometers connected to the iPod.

Hmm, I wonder how long before someone actually creates a DDR IDv3 extension for MP3?

I'm scared... (2, Funny)

Miaomiao (618330) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389676)

This is so going to trap those joggers nearby in their own little worlds. Running in circles all day long, running, running, running.

So can we at least attach some speakers too so they sound interesting as they jog by?

On a serious note... why do I have a weird feeling sales on "We are the Champions" are going to go up...

Please remove your shoes.... (5, Funny)

iXiXi (659985) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389687)

Can you imagine these at the airport?

Re:Please remove your shoes... but on planes..... (1)

dreadlocks (637491) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389777)

these days you're likely to get your ass tackled if you're seen fooling with your shoes and plugging stuff into them.

iPr0n (-1, Offtopic)

Douglas Simmons (628988) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389688)

So I'm thinking of starting a pr0n site that hosts amateur mp4s (so I don't have to worry about copyrights). What's a good mp4 conversion program for Linux or Win?

I'm waiting for the iPod - Toilet seat interface (4, Funny)

JudgeFurious (455868) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389696)

Put your iPod in a clear transparent (and waterproof, just to be safe) case that adds a wireless connector which then uses Bluetooth to talk to your toilet seat. While you pinch a loaf it weighs you, takes your temperature, scans your dump as it passes the "sensor ring", and gives you helpful dietary suggestions along with playing a preset song that you've associated with one of a half-dozen air freshener options.

Re:I'm waiting for the iPod - Toilet seat interfac (1)

Mayhem178 (920970) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389973)

Done, done, and done!

Buy an iToilet! [electric-chicken.co.uk]

Re:I'm waiting for the iPod - Toilet seat interfac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389983)

This would sell in Japan.

Re:I'm waiting for the iPod - Toilet seat interfac (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390005)

You joke, but I'm pretty sure some of those crazy Japanese electro-toilets do stuff like this. Maybe they analyze your urine and not your -- as you so delicately put it -- "loaf." If they don't actually exist, then someone was seriously considering making one, because the article I read (this was at least a year or so ago) was quite serious in tone.

I wonder how people would feel about being told they're pregnant by their toilet?

Big feet? (5, Funny)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389700)

Brings new meaning to the question, "You know what they say about men with big feet, don't you?"

Big hard drives!

Thank you, I'll be here all week.

Re:Big feet? (1)

atrocious cowpat (850512) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390009)

"Big hard drives!"
Nah, it'll be all gone in a flash.

Re:Big feet? (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390014)

Big hard drives!

Yeah, but they're talking about the nano, in which case it would be "no hard drive." : o

Brilliant (4, Funny)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389705)

For the low low price of 99 cents a mile, you can use these fancy running shoes with built-in music. If you stop paying, they break your legs. The RIAA will love it!

I disagree wholeheartedly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389716)

I disagree vehemently with this behavior

Ha, they're just jealous of the Steve Austin shoes (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389721)

Got 250 dollars burning a hole in your pocket? [nytimes.com]
These Adidas have a computer onboard that changes the shoes rigidity and bounce depending on how hard the terrain is and how fast your moving. AND if you jump they make that Steve Austin 'WHOOOSH' jumping sound and allow you to leap tall buildings in a single bound!

Hurray for science!

Didn't the old iPods have this feature? (5, Funny)

Quaoar (614366) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389730)

I mean, they had a pedometer...running 5000 steps with a first-gen iPod would cause the hard drive to fail... :)

Re:Didn't the old iPods have this feature? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389929)

While I have to say I did chuckle at your post, I used my first-gen ipod for jogging for the best part of 2 years before retiring it. It still works fine to this day, just a tad scratched and a slightly lagging battery life!

Special Shoes (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389731)

Boy, when I saw that "Special Shoes" link I thought for sure I was going to see this [interstate80.info] !

Re:Special Shoes (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389859)

Mamma always said you could tell a lot about a person from their shoes.

Re:Special Shoes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15390056)

Fuck you KFG!

Price too low (4, Interesting)

Captain Perspicuous (899892) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389733)

A supersmall step sensor for your shoe with wireless transmitter, a wireless receiver, iPod integration, timer, text-to-speach interface, "booster song with 1 keypress", recording all your trips and comparing them over the internet, and Apple and Nike behind it - I was expecting that gear to cost at least $50 to $80, and I'm pretty sure the people that are interested would have paid that amount without thinking about it - but only $29? That is one seriously low price. Wow, what happened, are they subsidizing this one or something?

And if they do, how do they make sure we are buying nike shoes? That step counter can be taped to any shoe, can't it?

Re:Price too low (3, Informative)

kevinvh (652481) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389821)

Read the fine print on bottom of the "rock n' run page".. it says:

    The sensor's battery is not replaceable. Battery life will vary
    considerably based on use and other factors.

So the $64M question is, how long does the sensor's battery last?
This could explain the low price.. $29 may be cheap, but if you're
buying a new sensor every year, suddenly it's getting expensive.

Re:Price too low (1)

PayPaI (733999) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389901)

The cheapest shoes cost $85. How long do you think they last?

Re:Price too low (0)

reldruH (956292) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389861)

Where did you read about this text-to-speech interface? I RTFA and I didn't see anything about it. Link?

Re:Price too low (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389876)

I think the sensor is integrated in the Nike shoes, you just buy the 29$ antenna and battery-powered transmitter. Since the battery is non-replaceable (and they don't bother recycling kinetic energy - philistines!), you end up buying another 29$ antenna every time the battery dies, I'm guessing at least once per season.

Then of course you're paying a premium for the "special" Nike shoes with the sensor. Hell, you're already paying a premium for ordinary Nike shoes, big whoop!

Re:Price too low, where is the catch? (2, Insightful)

guidryp (702488) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389930)

The only ones I see.

The sensor is meant to integrate in Nike shoes.
The sensor doesn't have changeable batteries.

I am sure you can figure out some way to attach to non nikes, unless I read this wrong and ceartian shoes come with embeded sensor.

Batter is a concern until they tell us how long it lasts. If three years then what the heck...

Look at me! I'm cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389736)

I have Apple products and wear Nikes!!!

Apple : the new MTV.

Re:Look at me! I'm cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389836)

A guy walks up to me and asks, "What's Macintosh?" I show him my Quadra 840av and say "That's Macintosh." So he runs out, he buys a shiny new Mac mini, and he comes back and says "That's Macintosh?" and I say "No, that's trendy!"

Re:Look at me! I'm cool! (0)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389933)

A guy walks up to me and asks, "What's a copy-paste troll?" I show him "How do I run Quake 3 in Linux?" and say "That's a copy-paste troll." So he runs out, he buys a shiny new parent post, and he comes back and says "That's a copy-paste troll?" and I say "No, that's--oh wait, that's a copy-paste troll as well. So yes."

Maybe not just for Running? Hack the Accelerometer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389744)

It seems like the Nike accelerometer and wireless interface could be hacked to do something else other that act as a pedometer.

The website says "sensitive accelerometer". Could it be sensitive enough (and updated frequently enough) to be used as a seismometer (detect earthquakes)?

There have to be other interesting uses for this, although this really seems like a sweet little application. Making use of the processing and storage power of the ipod that lots of runners already use is really very clever.

You don't need Nike+ shoes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389745)

The Nike+ shoes have a pocket under the insole for the sensor to fit, but you could just as easily attach it to the laces of your current shoes. Something I plan on doing with my Adidas shoes.

Nike + Apple (5, Funny)

i am kman (972584) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389746)

And if they really joined forces, they'd need a new name. Hmmmm, let's see, something like: Nike + Apple = Nipple.

Yeah, I'd definitely buy one of those! Maybe two.

Re:Nike + Apple (1)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389804)

That Nipple is superfluous.

Re:Nike + Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15390054)

NOT FUNNY!!!

I would have thought better of the proprietor of......

http://www.seenonslash.com/ [seenonslash.com]

Re:Nike + Apple (1)

Microsift (223381) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389871)

So, Apple has already done this with the fourth generation iPod, the color scheme of the scroll wheel was changed to make it resemble a nipple.

Re:Nike + Apple (1)

Smurf (7981) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390044)

And if they really joined forces, they'd need a new name. Hmmmm, let's see, something like: Nike + Apple = Nipple.

Yeah, I read on Slashdot that they make great human interfaces...

no way! (3, Interesting)

basic0 (182925) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389748)

Corporations like Apple and Nike promoting their brands through a synergystic crossover product? Get out of here! Next thing you'll tell me that they're going to get professional athletes and rock stars to promote this thing.

obligatory comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389762)



Bigger shoes than New Balance. And wireless. Cool!

Meh (1)

Scott Swezey (678347) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389763)

The idea seems like a gimick to sell more on itms (look at all the sport mixes and crap they talk about on the Sync page). But going passed that, it would be cool to see what people can do with the 2.4ghz wireless adapter. I can't really forsee where that might go, but I am sure someone will think of something truely fun to do with it.

One last note... Why are they releasing this? iTunes 6.0.5 isnt out yet, and you can't buy the kit to hook up your shoes and iPod for a bit longer.

Re: Meh (1)

i am kman (972584) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389844)

Fortunately I had my handy l337 speak converter handy to translate your handle:

http://www.brenz.net/l337Maker.asp [brenz.net]

Pretty cool, eh? Now I can 74L| with the best of them.

50, \/\/|-|0'$ (00L |\|0\/\/ /\/\07|-|3r PhU(|3r?

Integration (4, Insightful)

AAeyers (857625) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389779)

This must be part of the wireless patents Apple filed for a while back. I would not at all be surprised if this idea of wireless integration gets incorporated into more and more things. Imagine if you could carry your ipod with you all day and have it work automatically with your home stereo, shoes, car, etc. The ipod could become much more than an mp3 player, and could help collect data (pedometer, etc) and stream music to different sources automatically.

This seems like exactly the thing Jobs and Apple would pursue, a seamless system of wireless integration would perfectly embody their philosophies of style, power, simplicity, and having things 'just work'. It may be just a new shoe accessory right now, but I for one could see this type of technology evolving into new areas

Inaccurate, not useful to serious athletes (3, Insightful)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389781)

Pedometers do not cut it for distance measurement. Almost everyone uses a GPS unit these days. Interestingly enough, the only company still pushing a pedometer-driven system these days is Nike. At SOME point they are going to get on the GPS bandwagon but I'm uncertain why they are taking so long to get 'cutting edge in this area.'

OT - That banner ad for Crystal Reports just brought my computer to a crawl.

Re:Inaccurate, not useful to serious athletes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389839)

I'm quite fond of my Polar Accelerometer which has proven to be amazingly accurate and also works on canopied tree runs, something gps has issues with.

http://www.polar.fi/speed_distance/ [polar.fi]

Re:Inaccurate, not useful to serious athletes (4, Interesting)

cheinonen (318646) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389840)

To myself, who I'd consider to be a reasonably serious athlete, I prefer the food pods to GPS for a few reasons. They're typically smaller, but most importantly, they aren't automatically destroyed by large buildings or tree cover. Living in areas where I would run on trails surrounded by large trees, or in downtown with large buildings, I would constantly lose GPS signals and so my distance, pace, and maps of my runs would be way off in areas. The foot pods can be calibrated by you on a track to make them accurate to your stride, and are +/- 1% after doing that typically, which is better than my GPS was by far. Now they have downsides as well (elevation gain typically isn't measured), but they're better than losing signal for some of us.

Re:Inaccurate, not useful to serious athletes (1)

barthrh2 (713909) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389969)

Do you think that this is the same as the inertial foot pods? I hesitate to say so. The initial pods from Polar are about $150. The HRM Watch + footpod from Nike is over $300.

If this is an inertial pod-- or merely a transmitter for one embedded into the shoe -- then it's a fantastic deal (depending on the cost of the shoe). The quoted price is only $29. If it's just a pedometer, then it's pretty useless.

I always that that it would be great to integrate HRM and iPod. Spoken stats (easier than trying to read your wrist while running) or music that changes based on pace would be so cool.

Re:Inaccurate, not useful to serious athletes (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390057)

And the pod jsut works great when I hop on my bike.

Re:Inaccurate, not useful to serious athletes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389848)

While there are several GPS system out there to measure speed and distance, I believe the system from Polar is superior in a couple of ways. First, it uses acceleration data from a pod on the foot to calculate speed and distance so you can run in a tunnel or indoors and still get data. Secondly, it's much lower power, thus you don't have to swap out batteries on a weekly or even monthly basis. The advantage of using GPS is you can map where you've been but none of the moderately priced running products offer any sort of mapping feature.

Re:Inaccurate, not useful to serious athletes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389849)

But, pedometers are more effective for figuring calorie consumption, particularly if they had included a pulse sensor (which they didn't, so I'm not buying it).

Re:Inaccurate, not useful to serious athletes (1)

Phillup (317168) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389931)

I've got a Garmin Forerunner [garmin.com] .

Love it.

Absolutely useless when I train in the winter on my treadmill...

I *will* be looking into this bit of kit, thank you very much.

Re:Inaccurate, not useful to serious athletes (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390039)

Yeah, because your treamill can't tell you exactly how far/fast you are going.

Re:Inaccurate, not useful to serious athletes (1)

fupeg (653970) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390040)

Serious runners don't wear Nikes anyways. Their main audience are people who want to wear "running" shoes with their jeans, not people running 20+ miles per week.

Apple does no evil... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389788)

...by linking up with one of the most evil corporations on the face of the earth, the manufacturers of the jackboot in the uniform of globalisation.

Theme song! (1)

mbadolato (105588) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389791)

Quick! Get Flock of Seagulls out of 80's One (2?) Hit Wonder Purgatory!

"And iRan, iRan so far away"

I think (1)

j2crux (969051) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389795)

That's awesome! Honestly it might make ME start running ;).

i- SHEWWWW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389797)

gazoontight

Never ask a slashdotter their opinion on exercise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389798)

Slashdotters are so keen and cutting edge when dealing with all things tech, except when it has to do with exercise. Do most of you realize that Garmin sells gps devices that link with 3 different satellites for the express purpose of tracking someone's mph and total miles run? Can you believe people are willing to spend $300 on a device that does this?

Sync Capabilities (3, Insightful)

AgentOJ (320270) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389824)

Looking at the links on Apple's site, it shows that the run data can also be synced with your computer once you get back from the run. The data includes stuff like speed, distance, calories burned, etc, so you can see your progress over a length of time. As a former cross country and track runner, this is the kind of information that we had to calculate manually (well, at least record the numbers and then crunch them) to get an overall view of our progress and goals. Also, it would be cool to have since I'd already be bringing my iPod on a run, and wouldn't need to bring a seperate electronic pedometer along (and I'd be willing to be the electronic pedometers out there that track the same information and sync with a computer don't work with Macs).

We need a waterproof Triathalon iPod iShoe (2, Interesting)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389828)

That won't short out when you do the swimming portion.

And, has anyone thought of having it make your shoes shuffle when you set the iPod on "shuffle"?

Nike: Just Do It But First Pay Money

Seriously, though, as a former marathon runner (2 hr 29 minutes back when the world record was 2 hr 14 minutes), I question the practical utility of an integrated shoe to iPod link - sure, it's nice to know your approximate pedometer rating, but in reality that is not a real number, only an estimation based on your running stride and (more likely) walking stride - pedometers tend to fail when you are in hill climb and downhill portions.

One would be better served by a GPS integrated iPod that has a calculator function that tells you your literal pace, infers heartrate from a standard external monitor, and shows comparison timings from when you do a fast run at increased speed for a shorter practice run as a goal setter, and possibly uses the iPod music interface to tell you useful information such as:

1. 20 miles to go!
2. take a drink of water soon (elapsed time indicates thirst)
3. you are running at/above/below peak training speed (based on prior training or estimated speeds)
4. hill coming up, duration 2 miles (based on GPS readings and the route/map you gave)
5. only 4 miles to go! (as you get further on)

And so on.

But none of that has anything to do with a shoe. You're far better off with a watch/GPS that connects to your iPod.

Re:We need a waterproof Triathalon iPod iShoe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389972)

That would be really neat and I'd buy one but for one small problem:

1. You're sitting on your ass.
2. You're still sitting on your ass.
3. Oh my god! You're getting up and walking...to...the refrigerator. O frabjous day.
4. And now you're sitting on your ass again.

$30 For That??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389846)

That's only slightly better than paying $30 for this!!! [apple.com] The most ridiculous expenditure I think I have ever seen.

Nike Sucks... (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389864)

I would have to wait until New Balance comes out with one. A 13 4D Wide is kinda of hard to come by.

Sexy Female Voice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389878)

Regular pedometers don't talk to you in a sexy female voice that encourages you to keep going. Plus, it syncs online to a database so you can compare / contrast to other users. Or if boasting isn't your thing, you can download your data onto the computer for use in charting your progress.

Its actually quite ingenious, and very well priced.

Bad joke. (1)

Wellington Grey (942717) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389882)

iShoe!

Bless you.

-Grey [wellingtongrey.net]

glavin! (0, Troll)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389887)

What happens when you combine and overpriced media player with an overpriced shoe? MAGIC! Oh, wait... I meant to say HORRIBLE CONCEPTS. Pedometers are cheap, media players are expensive (specifically overpriced iPods), and Nike makes poor-quality overly-costly shoes. Even if it wasn't an iPod -- let's say it was a universal mp3 player adapter for your shoes... I'm not going to stick an expensive and fragile electronic device IN MY SMELLY SHOES (maybe if they were loafers, but this is suppossed to be for excercise!)! Come on Apple, what happened to your pizazz! Shoes + mp3 player?... I would expect this kind of CRAP from Sony, but not you. You've changed Apple, you've changed.

stupid.. or is it? (1)

mottie (807927) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389888)

At first this sounded absolutely retarded to me.. then after thinking about it I saw potential uses. If the iPod can be smart enough to see when you start to slow down, or where your "problem areas" are when jogging compared to previous runs (I don't jog, so who knows if these things exist) if it can modify your random selections to play something with faster tempo, it might be worthwhile.. likewise if it can slow things down on your cool down..

iPod-Shoe Integration: The logical next step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15389926)

I'm so funny.

When they build the pedometer into the shoe... (5, Funny)

LaughingElk (139664) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389944)

...it will become known as "The sole that times men's tries".

(sorry)

The Commercial That Explains Everything: (1)

Shuh (13578) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389955)





The Nike+ [nike.com]

From the Article (2, Funny)

Orrin Bloquy (898571) | more than 8 years ago | (#15389981)

"The original location for the player holster had to be moved when testers kept referring to it as the 'iPud.' "

Think Different my ass (2, Informative)

Udo Schmitz (738216) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390012)

Says the BBC [bbc.co.uk] : "Although 60% of factories monitored achieved an A or B rating in terms of compliance with agreed standards, a quarter of factories were found to present more serious problems.
These ranged from a lack of basic terms of employment and excessive hours of work to unauthorised sub-contracting, confirmed physical or sexual abuse and the existence of conditions which could lead to death or serious injury."

Cool. That means as of 13 April, 2005 only in 40% of the factories used by Nike workers face a lack of basic terms of employment and excessive hours of work, unauthorised sub-contracting, confirmed physical or sexual abuse and the existence of conditions which could lead to death or serious injury. I'm off to by a pair of Nikes.
Seriously, this is the first major goof since Steve Jobs came back to Apple.

OMG PONIES (1)

AcgiGlyph (668545) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390033)

I was actually expecting this to be some kind of Post April 1st /. post but I don't see any OMG PONIES info.

Effective advertising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15390045)

You can try all you want to convince me that they accidentally caught that chick mid-stride... But we'll both know that you don't believe it.

Pedometer + Audiophile = ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15390059)

Pedo-phile?

Why not a charger (1)

slashdot.org (321932) | more than 8 years ago | (#15390063)

Kind of disappointing, I was expecting a shoe-based charger. _That_ would be something I would buy. Charging your phone/iPod etc, while you walk.

I looked into it a few years back, and it seemed to me that there was enough energy there to do something with.
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