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DVD Burner Comparison

timothy posted more than 8 years ago | from the to-boot-from-to-boot-to-boot dept.

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mikemuch writes "While you're waiting for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, you may want to check out ExtremeTech's roundup of dual-layer DVD burners. Starting at about $43US, some of them are quite powerful, come with nice bundled software, and are pretty good deals, to boot."

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Do you love cocks (-1, Troll)

(TK)Dessimat0r (668222) | more than 8 years ago | (#15473981)

Paedophile hunt police find human skull

AMERICAN police made further grim discoveries yesterday during their investigation into a paedophile network responsible for kidnapping girls.

A skull and bones were dug up at the home of the network's suspected ringleader, Rob Malda. It was feared that they were the remains of two teenagers who disappeared from New Orleans a year ago. The bones were unearthed after police spent six days digging at a house in Holland, Michigan, one of six properties owned by Malda.

On a visit to the house last week, Malda told police that his accomplice, Jeff Bates, had buried five bodies under a shed. Maximillion Arturo, a police spokesman in Michigan, said that no further statement would be made until families had been informed.

There was speculation last night that the remains are those of shemales from the GNAA. Malda has admitted abducting them. However, he earlier told police that he believed the two girls were still alive and being held somewhere outside Michigan.

Two eight-year-old girls abducted by Malda have been found buried at another of his properties. They starved to death while he was in prison on a theft charge. Malda's wife, Kathleen Malda, has told police that she was supposed to feed the children while her husband was in prison, but was too frightened to enter their cell.

Another two girls were found alive by police two days after Malda's arrest on Aug 13. Ten people, including Malda, his wife and an American police officer, are in custody in connection with the case.

The raped corpses of two women and parts of a third body have been discovered in a freezer at the Slashdot headquarters, along with the remains of an 80 year old woman that remain unidentified.

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skip the crap (5, Informative)

spacemky (236551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474034)

Do not pass go; go directly to the summary page:
Final Thoughts: What to buy [extremetech.com]

Hoping it was VHS-DVD burners... (0, Redundant)

DudeTheMath (522264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474070)

I was disappointed (not the editor's fault, in any way) that this wasn't a comparison of VHS->DVD burners. I've got lots of old VHS I'd like to store to DVD, and it's hard to get good feature-set comparisons. You know, adding menu, chapter breaks, compression (most are recorded in SLP; can I get six hours on one DVD?).

Can anyone point me towards a good review/comparison? C|Net reviews weren't any help last I checked.

Re:Hoping it was VHS-DVD burners... (1)

4of11 (714557) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474268)

I don't know much about VHS-DVD burners (didn't know they even existed), but you might want to look into just doing it with a capture card and a PC. I don't know if I'd trust a dedicated device -- it might not do quite what you're looking for and it probably won't have the flexibility to adjust.

As for the compression question, I don't think you can do that with any decent quality. Assuming you're using single-layer (4.4GB) discs (double-layer ones are still pretty expensive, especially if you going to be backing up large amounts of video), you could probably fit about four hours on it at decent quality if you had decent source. Since you're going from low quality VHS, your source quality is to have a lot of analog (static) degradation. MPEG compression tends to work poorly with anolog degraded sources. You'll end up with severely blocky image.

I have a MythTV system and if I go below 2 GB/hour with MPEG2 compression it starts to look pretty lousy (I have it set to 3 GB/hour). This is with capturing directly from analog cable (of pretty decent quality). Not the best source, but a lot better than SLP VHS.

I'm not sure how much you'll be able to fit comfortably on a DVD, but I'd guess about 1.5 to 2 hours given your low quality source. If playback on a DVD player isn't an issue, you might want to look into just making a DVD of MPEG4 encoded files. That should double your capacity.

Re:Hoping it was VHS-DVD burners... (2, Interesting)

Dumass (602667) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474647)

Having done exactly what the parent was talking about, I can advise against using a capture card. I tried a Hauppauge 150 and an ATI TV Wonder Elite and couldn't get the colors to come out well at all. The image was also a lot softer that I would have liked. I borrowed a VHS->DVD unit from a friend (I'm sorry, this was 6 months ago, I don't remember the brand off-hand) and the results were far better than what my PC pulled off.

Re:Hoping it was VHS-DVD burners... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15474727)

Pinnacle and Dazzle are computer-based capture devices (I have the pinnacle). The best way to do this is get a sony (or like) mini-camcorder with a TBC (time-base corrector), and run the output into a firewire card. VHS is usually unstable output, and the TBC helps clean it up. It also can be done with a high-end VCR (S-VHS) with a built-in TBC, and pipe that into the pinnacle or Dazzle. The nice thing about those cards is that they have hardware-based compression. The downside for some models is the choice of editing software. Either way make certain you have a computer that can keep up.*

*Note there's one thing I'm not certain about. Weither either one can capture the VBI and the information contained there.

Re:Hoping it was VHS-DVD burners... (2, Informative)

BenJeremy (181303) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474681)

I would concur with this.

I have a Toshiba DVD Recorder/VCR (Techincal term for standalones is "Recorder" not "Burner" which refers to the Drive) and it works well enough, but doesn't work to archive my commercial tapes (my intention is to convert them to DVD for archival purposes and into a format that lets my 6 year old play them on his PC without messing with the tapes) - this is due to Macrovision.

HOWEVER - some products, like KWorld's capture cards, ignore Macrovision, so you can perform the conversion to MPEG2 and then quickly author a DVD from that.

Re:Hoping it was VHS-DVD burners... (1)

fl!ptop (902193) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475245)

i just got a panasonic dmr-es40v off ebay for around $185 (including shipping) brand new. it was rated 7 out of 10 on zdnet and also pretty well on a slew of other customer rating guides i've read. the only drawback is the inability to create chapter stops. doesn't matter to me as i'll be using it primarily for converting vhs->dvd. if i want chapter stops, i'll use my computer. i've been researching them for a few months now and for the money, this one looks like a good buy.

http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Panasonic_DMR_ES40V/4 505-6505_16-31570865.html?tag=pdtl [com.com]

The Math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15475919)

In regards to your sig:

On my 150 mile weekend trips, doing 75 gets me to my destination 20 minutes earlier, or 40 minutes total. Figure I take 9 of those per year (minimum), for a total of 3 hours a year saved.

On my 10 mile morning commute, I save 1.2 minutes. But even with Holidays and vacation days, thats just shy of 300 minutes, or 5 hours saved.

So right there, I've gained 8 hours in a year by just going a we bit faster. Notice this also isn't taking into account cummaltive benefits, when I make a light you don't because I'm a full minute ahead of you, or I'm 100 cars ahead of you in stop and go traffic figuring I'm 6000 ft ahead of you after 8 miles and there is 1 car per 60 feet in dense but moving commuter traffic (and how long to make up that 2,000 ft at 5-10 mph average? or well being benefits (that extra 40 minutes tacked onto my weekend time with my nephews is pretty big to me, or safety benefits (that's 8 less hours I'm on the road a year)

So just keep your slow ass to the right Mr DudeTheMath...

Quality of the burns? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15474089)

One area the article completely ignores is the quality of the burns? They don't mention if they had any troubles playing back anything that was burned on these drives. Compatibility with existing dvd players is a big deal and it would have been nice to see some mention of this in the test. Having the ability to burn a dvd that only half of my friends/family can play twice as fast (or half the cost) is useless.

And Quality of media (2, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474399)

I'd also like to see a site reviewing the quality of media for CD-R and DVD-R. The thing I care about is not speed, but reliability. And the Media may affect that more than the burner itself. There's a wide variety of prices on media but nothing to really guide you on quality and longevity.

Over the long run the cost of the burner may be small compared to the cost of the media, so there's no big reason to scrimp on the burner price. But there's a big reason to scrimp on the media. Plus of course unreliable media may lose very valuable data. So it's important to understand reliability of media.

I can't find any discussions of this that are not terribly outdated. It seems like every manufarcturer is constantly changing media names and makes several different lines. (e.g. look at Ritek). But on-line stores don't offer enough information to discern what might make one better than the other. (e.g. info on dyes, or disk construction).

Anyone have some reasonably fresh or comprehensive discussions of this. Or list the names of DVD or CD-r you had reliability problems with. Were the problems Batch-like (e.g. if one CD in the cake-box was bad were many of them bad) or random?

Re:And Quality of media (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15474488)

Well, go to http://www.cdfreaks.com/ [cdfreaks.com] or forums at http://club.cdfreaks.com/ [cdfreaks.com] You'll find more than you want to know about drives and media.

Re:And Quality of media (1)

swv3752 (187722) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474996)

As has been the case with CDR, DVD+/-R media is really a matter of buying Brandname stuff. Avoid the the Generic or Store Brand stuff as it is junk. There is only a couple of places actually making the discs, so most Brands are really the same. The generics just use used stamps, lower quality dye, and cheap reflective layers. A fried bought some CompUSA brand DVd-R discs and was wondering why he wwas having problems reading the discs 6 months after burning. I checked out one of the discs and asked my friend "if he could see through the disc?" He replied, "yes." "Can you tell what color the dye is?" "What Dye?" "That's your problem. Poor dye, and low reflectivity."

Re:And Quality of media (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475092)

Not necessarily, because even some of the name brands can sometimes be borderline quality.

For example, Memorex media is almost always made by CMC Magnetics. In my experience, while they're far better than the likes of Princo, they are not a manufacturer I will trust. Even many of the generic noname brands are better than CMC-sourced discs, as in my experience anything made by Ritek is far better than CMC media, and Riteks are almost never sold as name-brand.

Verbatim media used to be high-quality almost all the time, but I heard that they started selling some batches of CMCs, so you never knew what you were getting.

Only a few of the name brands are guaranteed to give you the same original manufacturer every time because they ARE the original manufacturer. Off of the top of my head, the only two examples of this I can think of are Sony and TDK.

Re:And Quality of media (1)

DeeKayWon (155842) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475465)

Only a few of the name brands are guaranteed to give you the same original manufacturer every time because they ARE the original manufacturer. Off of the top of my head, the only two examples of this I can think of are Sony and TDK.

Incorrect, at least as far as Sony is concerned. I bought a spindle of Sony DVD-R discs recently, and the media code on them reveals they are rebranded Taiyo Yuden discs. Maxell is another that has made their own discs but also rebrands other makers' discs (e.g. Ritek).

Re:And Quality of media (1)

Wanker (17907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475007)

I'd also like to see a site reviewing the quality of media for CD-R and DVD-R. The thing I care about is not speed, but reliability. And the Media may affect that more than the burner itself. There's a wide variety of prices on media but nothing to really guide you on quality and longevity.


Read the media forums at http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33 [cdfreaks.com] . You'll find way more information than you ever wanted about media quality.

Not really (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475527)

If you go to CDfreaks you will see people rate Ritek highly. But which Ritek? Ritek makes lots of different versions with highly different prices. You will see that brands like verbatim have different plants with different disks. And some of the allegedly top shelf labels like Plextor don't even make their own disks.

Most manufactureres make both blue and green and sometimes gold CDs. So simply saying buy "Maxell" doesn't really clear up the matter. Furthermore when you scan the forums you mostly see unweighted voting. people vote for the ones they are using but theres no list of the the ones they used and did not like. Comparisons are not metric of put on an even footing.

And when you do see a metric comparison, and you froogle the media model number chances are it's no longer even being made. You can't just assume that one Maxell disk is like another so you can't just use a positive rating of an obsolete model number confers quality to the others.

So no CD freaks really does not clear things up.

Re:Not really (1)

grondu (239962) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475621)

If you go to CDfreaks you will see people rate Ritek highly.

You must not have visited the media forum in a long time. Ritek, especially the G05, is considered junk by most. They used to be considered good, but that has changed. There are reports of Ritek G05s becoming unreadable a few weeks after being burner.

But which Ritek? Ritek makes lots of different versions with highly different prices.

If you look at the PI/PO scans in the media forum, the MID (Media ID code) is clearly shown. Learn to read these scans, you'll learn a lot.

Re:Not really (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475721)

f you look at the PI/PO scans in the media forum, the MID (Media ID code) is clearly shown. Learn to read these scans, you'll learn a lot.

Okay but how does this help me when I go to buy a CD or DVD-r. The stores don't list those.

You must not have visited the media forum in a long time. Ritek, especially the G05, is considered junk by most.

Here is a poll [cdfreaks.com] currently on Cdfreaks, regading manufacturers (DVD) quality. You will see that Ritek is highly favored (third place) . And here is another [cdr-zone.com] comprehensive test site that ranks Ritek among the best possible, and Ridata (also made by ritek) among the poorest for DVD media.

this is not to say that I don't doubt you when you say ritek has a bad reptuation. But I do doubt that you could learn that from reading CDfreaks. In fact I cant' even find a bad review of Ritek on the web except possibly on places like Epionions and in regard to their cheapest ten cent disks. Cdfreaks It's a confused jumble of on weighted uncurated information with almost no value since it focuses on positive experience and annecdote not on negative experiences and metrics.

Re:And Quality of media (3, Informative)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 8 years ago | (#15476304)

Over the years, since the early days of CD-Rs to modern DVD-+R, there has been on constant - Taiyo Yuden. Their quality has always been top-notch. The worst that has happend with them has been counterfeiting - so if you can trust the merchant selling you TY discs is selling legitimate product, you can trust that you are getting media of the highest quality.

What you can also count on with TY is that you will pay a premium. But compared to some of the 'name' brands like Sony, or Memorex, etc (some of whom often - but not always - produce batches that are just rebranded TY's) it may still be cheaper to buy the spindles of TY's.

For me, the premium of 10-20 cents per disc is well worth it - I never worry about the stability or longevity of the burns I make with TY media.

Speed, speed, speed... (5, Insightful)

4of11 (714557) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474101)

Why do these kinds of reviews always focus on speed alone? Who cares if it takes a couple of minutes longer to burn a DVD with one drive versus another? It's not like you have to sit there with baited breath as the DVD burns -- you can do other things.

I'd rather see a comparison of noise or rate-of-coaster-production. I recently got a new DVD burner which works rather well as far as speed and reliability, but is way too noisy, even when I'm just playing a DVD with it. I have to use my old DVD-ROM drive for playback.

I guess its harder to test those things, though. You can't just load up some benchmark it let it run.

Re:Speed, speed, speed... (2, Insightful)

briancarnell (94247) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474253)

And a drive compatiblity test. From my experience, compatibility with dual layer DVDs is much lower than with single layer DVDs when burning them yourself.

Re:Speed, speed, speed... (2, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474578)

I agree, though noise measurement isn't that hard to do, the typical hardware site is probably too lazy to do it. Thankfully Storage Review measures hard drive noise (and heat, and I think power), but lately, that is negligible, now the focus has to be put on optical drive noise.

Reliability is harder to measure though, if it doesn't make a coaster during the normal round of tests, then it is probably assumed to be good enough.

There are enthusiast sites like CDFreaks that check P1 and P2 error rates on the written optical media, which is good to check.

Get CDBremse and set your DVD speed (1)

sd.fhasldff (833645) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475810)

Adjusting the speed of your DVD or CD drive is the best way to reduce noise. If you're copying a bunch of data, you probably do want it spinning at max speed, but if you are watching a DVD or something similar (where noise is also usually much more annoying), reducing it works VERY well.

I've been using CD Bremse [cd-bremse.de] for years, both for CD and DVD drives, with no problems. YMMV. Word of warning: The site is in German (but the program itself is in English). It's not too hard to figure out the site, though. Click on the CD Bremse link and then the version of the program to download - or click on the "Lauffwerksliste" to get a huge compatibility table.

Re:Speed, speed, speed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15475964)

It's not like you have to sit there with baited breath

What's for dinner, sushi?

Re:Speed, speed, speed... (1)

4of11 (714557) | more than 8 years ago | (#15476446)

*Looks it up online*

Hey, what do you know, it's supposed to be "bated" breath. That makes sense...

Re:Speed, speed, speed... (1)

JPribe (946570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15477556)

Bingo bro...until I can write to a 4.7GB optical disc in under 30 seconds, well, who gives a *&#$^???

Drives.... (1)

Iguru42 (530641) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474107)

Plextor was the most expensive and most capable? Wow what a shock.

Linux (3, Interesting)

mkosmo (768069) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474108)

And still no comments on whether or not the Linux support will be alright. Whether the burner is good or not doesnt matter to me until I know I can run it at home. Am I the only Linux user concerned? Considering Im posting on /., and other /.ers are reading, I imagine not. But I could have missed some major article or something concerning it. Would somebody shed some light for me?

Re:Linux FTW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15474350)

I feel your pain homey. However, share in my pleasure. Buy yourself an Emprex (for less than $40) at Fry's and roast away at will using K3B. As the Mortal Kombat man would say as you shove your hand inside your PC case, gutting your legacy windows hard drive with severed IDE cables dangling over your bloody hand, "Flawless Victory!"

I backed up over 10 GB of personal documents on several DVD(s) with no problem. In fact, dare I say, it was easier than using the software bundle for Windows it came with.

Re:Linux (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474388)

IDE and SATA drives work just swell in Linux. They have for some time.

Re:Linux (2, Insightful)

BobNET (119675) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474404)

Probably cause the chances that a DVD burner doesn't work in Linux (or any other OS) is pretty small these days; the drives are almost always MMC compliant [chalmers.se] . There might be a few features on the more expensive drives (e.g. Plextor with GigaRec, etc.) that aren't supported by burning software, but it'll almost certainly still burn DVDs, which is what it's supposed to do...

Re:Linux (1)

i_should_be_working (720372) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474434)

I've just never heard of an optical drive being unsupported by Linux. I've certainly never run into one myself. It's only been 2 years, and 4 optical drives, but still..

Has anyone here had a problem?

Re:Linux (1)

ross.w (87751) | more than 8 years ago | (#15477527)

It will work unless it's some weird proprietary interface, and you're unlikely to see that in a new drive. All IDE/ATAPI ones should work. I've never come across a CD or DVD that doesn't.

THe only thing to consider is the bundled software. DVD burners seem to perform the same, the value adding being in the bundled software. If you only use Linux, you're not interested in the bundled software and therefore you can get the cheap OEM one that doesn't have any.

Re:Linux (1)

mkosmo (768069) | more than 8 years ago | (#15477705)

True. But you still have to burn the DVD using some software. Which would you recommend?

Re:Linux (1)

ross.w (87751) | more than 8 years ago | (#15484854)

Most distros come with burning software. I use K3B and it works well. I'm sure there's a Gnome equivalent, and there's XCDRoast, but I'm not sure if that can do DVDs. Don't see why not.

only 4 drives (0, Troll)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474109)

TFA only compares 4 drives in their "roundup" (ExtremeTech calls it that--thankfully the submitter or editor changed it for the title here).

I tried posting a link to the printer-friendly version, but ExtremeTech doesn't seem to like people doing that. Gotta spread that 1 page article out over 9 pages, y'know...

Buy the Lite-On - use K-Probe (3, Informative)

jbridges (70118) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474124)

Besides being the least expensive choice in the review, it's also the only model of the four which is supported by K-Probe.

http://www.cdrlabs.com/kprobe/ [cdrlabs.com]
or
http://www.k-probe.com/ [k-probe.com]

And if you actually care about burners, read the reviews from a quality site that actually reviews virtually all the models, does far more exhaustive tests, and has a very active technical forum. CDR Info.

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Home.aspx? CategoryId=1 [cdrinfo.com]

Re:Buy the Lite-On - use K-Probe (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474283)

I was just about to say the same thing...
CDRInfo has a much better roundup....and true to the word "roundup"
Though it still doesn't cover the NEC 35x0 line of burners I have (I have the 3520, 3540, and the 3550), it's still much better than just 4 burners from 3 companies.
CDRInfo also has an article that covers burner and media reliability.
In their tests, the Pioneer was the most compatible with various media (which I agree with though Pioneer's tend to be pricey). The next one in line was the NEC and we all know that the NEC's are very affordable and you get the a lot of bang for your buck. (Pioneer gets you the most bang but u also need more buck too).

Do NOT just buy the Lite-On (1)

Atario (673917) | more than 8 years ago | (#15477714)

Lite-On is supported by K-Probe, yes...but Nero CD/DVD-Speed supports lots of burners. What you're looking for is burn quality. This means a drive/medium combination that works well. Check CD Freaks [cdfreaks.com] for loads of test postings.

To give you one data point -- my own experience -- I go with NEC burners and Taiyo Yuden DVD+R media (which I get without problem from Rima [rima.com] ). I get good results, whether scanned by the burning drive or a Lite-On I got before I knew better (which only gives mediocre burning results).

To boot? (3, Funny)

cffrost (885375) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474158)


"Starting at about $43US, some of them are [...] pretty good deals, to boot."

I can't speak for other users, but I don't boot from CD enough for booting performance to factor in at all when selecting optical drives. This guy has gotta be some die-hard Windows Me enthusiast.

Re:To boot? (4, Funny)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474199)

404 - funny not found.

Re:To boot? (1)

flooey (695860) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474237)

This guy has gotta be some die-hard Windows Me enthusiast.

Are you saying he's part of the Me generation?

Knoppix DVDs? (1)

billstewart (78916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15477102)

I'm not currently using Knoppix on DVD, but having much larger capacity than CDROM versions is convenient for some things. CDROM Knoppix has been a save-your-ass part of my repair toolkit for years now, and it's also useful for demos of various things.

Litescribe? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15474175)

What about that technology that allows you to burn labels onto the DVD? I think it is called litescribe. Anyone know anything more?

Re:Litescribe? (2, Insightful)

Masami Eiri (617825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474229)

Overpriced media, really. Just use a sharpie.

Re:Litescribe? (0)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474332)

Yeah, it's a shame that they didn't mention that anywhere in TFA. It also would've helped if they ended their review with a sentence or two about which drives to look at and which ones to ignore if you need LightScribe.

Media still not worth it (2, Interesting)

eclipz (630890) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474245)

Although the price of Dual Layer (DL) media has come down, it's still $2 - $4 a disk, vs $0.50 - $1.00 for comparable Single Layer disks. So, although you do need two disks, burning information to a single layer disk is still cheaper, about twice as much. I bought a DL burner quite awhile ago, but I'm still waiting for good news regarding media. IMHO, until the media comes down, Dual Layer just doesn't cut it.

Re:Media still not worth it (1)

fbjon (692006) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474775)

But DL is very good for convenience. Say you have a tv series you want to burn (not me, of course, I don't do those things :) and it takes 7 GB. You could recompress the whole thing in lower quality, or put in on one DL disc straight away. Easier to keep track of too.

....Or, you could burn it on 2 SL discs and put them in a double-disc jewel case...

DVD burning (1)

thewiz (24994) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474299)

I've been using HP DVD burners (both single and dual layer) for quite some time. I've found that they perform very well on Windows, OS X, and Linux. I've had some trouble with the Lite-On drives but the HP units have never failed to perform. I know that Plextor is supposed to be the best CD/DVD drive maker, but I'm really not interested in paying their asking price.

Re:DVD burning (1)

galonso (705202) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475816)

but I'm really not interested in paying their asking price

Or worse. I bought a plextor SATA burner, the PX-755SA, and I didn't bother to look at the chart for what motherboards it was tested against, after all, why would I? I've never had a bad Plextor product . . . but now I question that. Is this a bad drive? I can't say. My motherboard is not on the 'works with' list and, it turns out, this drive does not work with any of the various computers I have around the house.

Should I have read the list of supported hardware? Yes!

Should I have to? I say no.

I think the article should have been clearer on issues such as limited hardware support.

Re:DVD burning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15476647)

You realize that Lite-On makes many of HPs DVD burners right?

Missing comparisons... (1)

buddahfool (123287) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474355)

NEC? Sony?
I have owned both and NEC makes a very nice dual layer burner for the price and is very popular. Why not include it in the comparison? (While we are at it, how about Ben-Q? Their prices are rock bottom but I always wondered if the quality was as well...)

Their previous article linked on the first page had a Sony drive but no NEC.
http://www.extremetech.com/print_article2/0,1217,a =143191,00.asp [extremetech.com]

NEC ND-3550A (1)

SIGBUS (8236) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474490)

Indeed, the first thing I noticed was the lack of NEC's burners. I recently put an ND-3550A into a new system I built, and it's first-rate. It'll burn single-layer DVD+R or -R at 16x if you have suitable media, and DL +R discs at 8x.

Even better - you can get one for about $40.

Re:Missing comparisons... (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 8 years ago | (#15477718)

It is my impression that most "reviews" are fraudulent. NEC isn't listed because NEC is the best.

Pioneer DVR-111D (2, Informative)

LanMan04 (790429) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474448)

Pioneer DVR-111D [pioneeraus.com.au]

Great IDE Dual-Layer burner, Mac compatible [macsales.com] (works with Toast out-of-the-box, I used Patchburn [macupdate.com] to make it "Apple Supported/Shipped"), apparently Linux compatible [linuxquestions.org] , and dirt cheap ($35.99) [newegg.com] .

Kicks ass, no coasters, does just about every format. 'nuff said.

Re:Pioneer DVR-111D (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15475580)

I have an older version of that Pioneer, and I agree it does what it says it does. However,...

Why aren't reviewers taking DVD makers to task for being so behind the curve on everything else? S-ATA isn't exactly new. Apple has been releasing almost nothing but slot-loading drives for a while now (except for the PowerMac line).

And yet it's hard to find either a slot-loading DVD burner, or a S-ATA DVD burner -- and AFAICT impossible to find one that's both.

S-ATA is an improvement over (P-)ATA because it uses smaller cables, not because it's faster -- most people weren't hitting the speed limitations of ATA-133, anyway. And as soon as they start making a serious selection of S-ATA optical drives, we won't need old-fashioned P-ATA connectors on motherboards, which means they can get smaller.

Come on, guys, 12x? 16? We just don't care anymore. But let us put a slot-loading DVD burner on a really tiny motherboard, and now we're talking.

Re:Pioneer DVR-111D (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475585)

I've had positive experiences with my Pioneer DVR-111D as well. It plugged and played when I replaced my old DRV-104 without any "patch". It's max burn rate is 8x DVD-R and 48x CD, which is plenty for me since I favor quality over speed: I've had exactly one coaster CD out of hundreds of burns. It reads faster than it writes.

The only problem I've noted is that it's slightly more fragile about reading highly scratched DVDs than my old 104.

Re:Pioneer DVR-111D (1)

Teddy Beartuzzi (727169) | more than 8 years ago | (#15476047)

I've read it's a very good drive (unliked the previous 110), but many folks online seem to think the Benq DW 1650/1655 just edges it out, especially in terms of burn quality.

Re:Pioneer DVR-111D (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 8 years ago | (#15476513)

A pity it's crippled with RPC-2 for DVD playback.

Anyone know of a way to fix this?

Re:Pioneer DVR-111D (1)

wampus (1932) | more than 8 years ago | (#15480049)

Google for AnyDVD.

sata drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15474586)

i didn't even know that sata equipped dvd±r burners were out yet...sweet. i wonder if the hd/blu-ray burners will be sata connections when they're released...

Cross-platform. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15474611)

Perfect question for the perfect story. I'm in the market for a DVD burner, and I dual-boot. I'd prefer an internal to an external but I'm not picky. All the burners I've seen are IDE. Alternative interfaces would be nice. Starting with SATA, FIREWIRE, SCSI, USB, then IDE. Of course all the other things that are important in a burner should be there. Any recommendations?

You call that a roundup? (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15474839)

Today we're going to look at four dual-layer DVD burners from HP, Lite-On, and Plextor

Well, that's nice. Too bad only one of those in signficant in the Optical drive mass market - Lite-On. HP drives are going to pretty much be in HP systems. Plextor offers the most expensive drives around and they're just not that interesting to people.

Maybe they should have included Sony, ToshibaSamsung, NEC, or some other companies that actually sell a shitload of drives on the retail market. Lite-On was a good call, though.

Re:You call that a roundup? (1)

kimgkimg (957949) | more than 8 years ago | (#15476341)

Maybe they should have included Sony, ToshibaSamsung, NEC, or some other companies that actually sell a shitload of drives on the retail market. Lite-On was a good call, though.
Sony doesn't make their burners anymore. They outsourced this to Liteon quite a while ago.

Re:You call that a roundup? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15476524)

Thanks for the heads-up. The point still stands, though... In particular NEC and ToshibaSamsung make cheap, ubiquitous drives, and the NEC has a reputation as being best for burning on crappy media.

Last Sentence Incomplete? (0)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475284)

..and are pretty good deals, to boot.

That last sentence seems so incomplete. To boot from. To boot off of. To make boot discs on. The possibilities are endless.

Re:Last Sentence Incomplete? (1)

assassinator42 (844848) | more than 8 years ago | (#15476809)

It's an idiom, at least in US English. It means also.

This article is a joke (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#15475377)

I mean, how the hell can you take this thing seriously when on the second page it greets you with:

All of the drives are nearly the same compact size, so you shouldn't have problems fitting them in a small form factor PC.

Wow, seriously, wow, thanks ExtremeTech for remembering us that these 5.25" devices use the same standard 5.25" form factor that's been used since, like, the release of the first CD player for PC, we couldn't have thought about that ourselves !

(and compact? don't make me laugh, anyone who's ever built a PC knows that a standard 5.25" CD/DVD drive is nowhere near compact)

The rest of the article doesn't disappoint of course, with very few (4) devices tested, no word of cross-platform compatibility, on burn reliability (data corruption), on sound measurements and hella crappy diagrams...

Re:This article is a joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15475588)

Obviously they are all 5.25", that is not the measurement in question. Some drives are several inches longer than others, making them more difficult to fit in smaller cases.

Re:This article is a joke (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 8 years ago | (#15477252)

The first 'CD player for PC' was a big ugly form factor, and external.

But anyway...

Re:This article is a joke (1)

RedBear (207369) | more than 8 years ago | (#15477791)

Wow, seriously, wow, thanks ExtremeTech for remembering us that these 5.25" devices use the same standard 5.25" form factor that's been used since, like, the release of the first CD player for PC, we couldn't have thought about that ourselves !

(and compact? don't make me laugh, anyone who's ever built a PC knows that a standard 5.25" CD/DVD drive is nowhere near compact)


I do hope you were trying to be facetious. Don't you think they might have been talking about length rather than height? Some older 5.25" drives were an inch or two longer, making it a very tight fit in non-huge computer cases.

Burn Quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15476259)

Isn't mentioned. You can hack the Liteon to write all media at 16x, but if you can't read the god damn disk afterwards, what the fuck is the point?

That is a half-assed review. That is such a poor review, they'd probably recommend Sony burners and the UMD movie format.

Tired of trays (1)

kinema (630983) | more than 8 years ago | (#15477800)

Am I the only person tired of tray loading optical drives? Are we ever going to see slot loading adopted by major manufactures of high quality drives?
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