The Pornographers vs. The Pirates 275
conq writes "BusinessWeek has a piece on how pornography is again leading the way and showing Holywood how to fight back against piracy. From the article: 'Some producers of porn are starting to share revenues from online movies with the distributors of their DVDs, who might otherwise feel endangered by digital distribution online. Bolder yet, one large studio is allowing fans who buy movies online to burn them from their computers onto DVDs, with some protections included, of course.'"
So this is how it turns out (Score:5, Funny)
Re:So this is how it turns out (Score:2, Funny)
The naked truth... (Score:4, Insightful)
Not so with what the RIAA calls Pirates.
Re:The naked truth... (Score:3, Insightful)
I wouldn't go that far. Remember that there are quite a few porn sites that will happily embed a trojan (the malware not the condoms) into their website. The machines that I've cleaned for friends who like porn are some of the biggest messes I've seen. They all now know that if they want me to clean out their machine, I'll wipe the drives first thing unless they take precautions (anti-virus, firewall, rent their porn rather than d
Re:The naked truth... (Score:2, Insightful)
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Obligatory joke. (Score:2)
What?! But I thought most slashdotters were against DRM!
Re:Obligatory joke. (Score:3, Funny)
Sometimes the Internet isn't all it was cracked up to be -- with moral decisions such as that.
Re:The naked truth... (Score:5, Insightful)
Now nevermind the thousands of inuendos and puns that statement may suggest. The fact is that no one wants to pay any amount of money per month on some site that lets you download content, if the content is going to stop working when you quit paying that site money.
Whether that content is porn or music. There are millions of people who would pay a $3.95 trial to buy the ONE song they've been lookin for but unable to find elsewhere or that video they got spammed with that peaked their interest.
With the DRM ripoff schemes of RIAA and some porn sites this is not possible. So let's say you were a member of any music/porn site that used DRM on their files. Restrictive DRM.. you paid a total of maybe $200 to them and you decide you don't want the service anymore, but you do like what you've gotten so far. You quit you're screwed.. so you're telling me I gotta keep paying to keep what I ALREADY PAID FOR?
No thanks. *gives RIAA the finger*
Re:The naked truth... (Score:2)
Well, I for one do not care about feeling used by Jeena Haze even if it is by a CD where she is =o). Imagine being able to brag to your friends "hey lads, I was used by Jeena Jameson"
Re:The naked truth... (Score:2)
I dispute the premise that shame is a bigger driver than good old customer satisfaction, unless you are talking about unusual proclivities [penny-arcade.com]. Going by observable evidence, I perceive that embarrassment about mainstream porn is relatively low. Yes, there are some demographic and geographic areas where this is untrue, but blue-staters under
Re:The naked truth... (Score:2)
Hardly, "discrete brown packaging" and "dial-home DRM" are mutually exclusive. Most pr0n fans prefer anonyminity. Would you want DRM Barnyard Antics showing up on your account as a daily viewing?
Re:The naked truth... (Score:2, Informative)
Now there is a porn video I'd watch... (Score:5, Funny)
Pirate: Arr! Bend over me matey while I prepare the long guns to pilage that booty!
Porn Star: Oh! Don't pilage MY booty, at least not until my sorority girlfriends come over to help me repel borders! Oh!
Re:Now there is a porn video I'd watch... (Score:2)
Re:Now there is a porn video I'd watch... (Score:2)
Re:Now there is a porn video I'd watch... (Score:2)
Re:Now there is a porn video I'd watch... (Score:2)
Tell him to get a camera and sell thousands of copies of the movie and he'll be whatever star he wants to be.
It isn't needed. (Score:5, Insightful)
I know no-one who has bought porn - but everyone has watched it.
Why hasn't porn gone bust like the movie and music industries say will happen to them?
If a legitimate market can keep porn afloat an inherently embarrassing purchase - then everything else doesn't need to worry
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:5, Insightful)
Low-budget porn movies might also need a relatively small number of sales to make money, even if they are massively pirated.
Will they really tell you? (Score:4, Insightful)
Then again, you likely don't understand the true size of the market. Even if they have a 99% piracy rate, that 1% of sales is so much that they're all very well off.
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:5, Interesting)
I think this will make all the profit margins for the adult industry go up, and the RIAA should look into not being such raging pricks but nice calm porn CEO's
In the spirit of mimicking porno... (Score:2)
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:5, Insightful)
Besides, porn movies are embarassingly low-budget. What counts as a "high budget" porn-movie doesn't even show up on the radar for budgeting normal movies. And some of the low-budget porn-movies have budgets down in the 4-digits range.
You don't need to sell an awful lot to make a profit if your total budget is less than a years salary.
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They get to say "we made x amount" to the public, but when it comes to taxes they get to say "oh but it cost this much" then next week when the profit went up, "oh it really cost this much"
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:2)
Looks like that tactic worked for me.
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:2)
As for major films that were done 'on a budget' clerks and the blair witch project come to mind. They show the low budget nature, but they're still good movie storylines. which is why un
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:2)
This is pretty much so for everything people perceive as negative.
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Also, porn movies rarely need a good script. Then again, so do Hollywood movies.
Maybe it is because they don't have to advertize and hype their movies like the "normal" movies. I mean, hey, with porn, you pretty much know what to expect. It doesn't need to be hyped simply because, well, people actually WANT to see it already.
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:3, Insightful)
Because people who buy porn dont tell you. But the amount of money spend on online porn is huge. Its a matter of ease of use, and the instant "gratification" (scuse the pun), and online downloads/streams WILL sell.
Regular content industrie is just, uhm, backwards really.
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:2, Interesting)
The main difference I see is that porn is an addictive substance. Don't you remember the playground pushers motto, "The first one is always free"?
Many people would not buy porn their first time out. They have to "acquire the taste" first before they will go and spend cash on it. What better way to expose people to it than to make it free and obscenely easy to access?
Most consumers of porn are feshitists of some kind.
Re:It isn't needed. (Score:5, Informative)
You have a pretty strange definition of "addictive". I'd call it "flamebait".
Most consumers of porn are feshitists of some kind. They enjoy seeing activity "x" over seeing position "y", etc. This selectivity leads to the consumer model of porn. Cater to the individual tastes. Then, if you make it they will come. Sometimes on your face.
A fetishist can't achieve orgasm without their particular fetish, a porn fetishist could ONLY climax when watching porn. What you're referring to is called "asthetics". Different people have different tastes in food, clothing, entertainment, and yes, in sex. Since "pornography", despite all the bullshit out there, is simply visual depictions of sexual activity, it shouldn't be suprising that it reflects a broad range of sexual interests. If you do a little research you'll find this has been the case since the beginning. The oldest artistic/religious artifacts discovered, over 100,000 years old, are sexual in nature.
If you hate sex so much go join a monastary, start prostrating yourself, and leave the rest of us alone.
Delivery by download not new (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course it's easier to share it with a few thousand closest friends on Internet when you don't have to rip it first. But is it really the ripping part that is hard? Isn't that the easiest part? Why is that so bold, as the summary says?
Re:Delivery by download not new (Score:2, Interesting)
Of course paid downloading isn't new and I wouldn't exactly say porn is leading the way (though I would agree porn had done a lot for the internet as well as VHS). I've been using iTunes for some time now, and I've never owned an iPod. It's such a convienance, with one gripe, only 30 secs of a song can be previewed. Anyways, I just spent $5 on iTunes a weekago. I had 5 singles I enjoyed listening too and I downloaded them, burned them to a CD, ripped them back into MP3, put them on my PSP to work out wi
Protections? (Score:5, Funny)
Well, it's good to see the pr0n industry finally taking safe sex seriously
Re:Protections? (Score:2, Interesting)
Coz They Cant Lobby (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Coz They Cant Lobby (Score:2, Interesting)
If you're looking for a source, I can offer you the Al Franken show. That's where I heard this information. He was ralling against John McCain for taking contributions from the porn, but that seemed to be a bit of a, ha ha gain, stretch.
Re:Coz They Cant Lobby (Score:2)
The REAL scary truth for hollywood... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The REAL scary truth for hollywood... (Score:5, Funny)
It's thought provoking. Yeah, that's it!
Re:The REAL scary truth for hollywood... (Score:2)
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I just wouldn't make a religion outta it.
Re:The REAL scary truth for hollywood... (Score:2)
And despite 99,99% being total crap as far as acting, story, etc. is, there are a couple porn movies which really shine. I know I have one sitting on my drive where I've always planned to shorten (but not cut out entirely) the fucking scenes, be
Link to article (Score:5, Funny)
Pornstars Of The Carribean (Score:2)
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Holywood? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Holywood? (Score:5, Funny)
To quote George Carlin (Score:2)
Re:To quote George Carlin (Score:2)
Intentional purchases? (Score:3, Funny)
Bigger Business (Score:5, Insightful)
The pornography business' profit margin is much higher and that allows them much more freedom to innovate in their distribution. That, and they have no doubt that people will continue to consume their product.
I doubt they'll ever eliminate the pirates, but they will lead the way technologically for flexible video distribution.
Re:Bigger Business (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Bigger Business (Score:3, Insightful)
World peace (Score:4, Insightful)
But there is one thing I don't believe, Porn isn't going to stop piracy, it created it! (One of the best things on the web!)
If porn proves to be the key in stopping piracy, then I truly think porn will create world peace...
And... why burn on DVD for personal use...???
Isn't porn something you only watch once, you know the whole story and get bored? Isn't that the whole reason we watch porn, because the same woman every night bores us!?
Re:World peace (Score:2)
Well, if more people were at home beating off to porn, there'd be fewer people fighting.
Much like a porn star, if you give me an opening like that ...
Re:World peace (Score:4, Interesting)
As for burning it onto a DVD, there are thousands of reasons. Including:
1. Getting tips from a pro - If you watch a world cup soccer match, it doesnt make you a world cup soccer player. But it can give you ideas on how to better yourself, and if you watch it over and over, you understand how it works, then you can just go practice it.
2. Some full length porn features are really long, especially the ones without stories. So it could take you a while to get through it, having convenience on DVD.
3. Save space on your computer.
4. Easier to put a DVD into a dvd player then it is to drag a laptop or a monitor over towards your bed to watch it with your girl/boy/trannyfriend.
5. Label it family photos and the kids will never touch it.
6. Easier to share with friends.
7. A particular porn star might just tickle your fancy, so you watch it for them, instead of the movie itself.
8. Being able to give a physical size to your collection, giving you bragging rights "Mine is bigger then yours!"
9. If your computer breaks down, and you need to take it to a techie, they wont find your stash after you have already burnt and deleted it.
10. Same reason anyone buys any movies on DVD or VHS for that matter, after 5 years you forgotten the nitty gritty parts and you can rewatch and learn.
BTW just because you don't share your porn with a kinky significant other (if you have one that is) doesn't mean other people don't. I would prefer my porn in DVD format.
Re:World peace (Score:2)
On Slashdot: +4 interesting.
For the nice girl at the party: -1 not even funny.
Re:Fuck off (Score:2)
Yeah, watching porn won't get you any Tang.
(Sorry, I just couldn't resist.)
ofcourse a Yugoslav mobster helps too (Score:4, Informative)
Now the RIAA and MPAA have done some nefarious things to convince people to stop sharing music and movies, but getting the mob involved.. I haven't heard that one yet. Even when they get Uncle Sam involved, there is a chance of due course.
No chance for support from Uncle Sam (Score:3, Insightful)
What is this world coming to? (Score:2, Funny)
I need to use protection for (ahem) solo-sex now? Oh god! What if it's too late?
Re:What is this world coming to? (Score:2)
"In fact, I'm not jerking off any more! ... I don't know where I've been!"
George Carlin
I Don't Get It (Score:2, Redundant)
I learned my lesson. (Score:5, Informative)
Eventually I figured out that in most cases when people copied my photos and shared them.. it increased revenue because people would come to my site looking for more. I then restricted any lawsuits to people who would charge money to access content they stole from me.
I think the music and movie industry could learn the same lesson.
Re:I learned my lesson. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I learned my lesson. (Score:5, Funny)
How many of you just couldn't resist clicking on the parent's home page?
Re:I learned my lesson. (Score:2)
(Where's my damn mod points when I want them? You need a Funny!)
Re:I learned my lesson. (Score:5, Funny)
How many of you just couldn't resist clicking on the parent's home page?]
I admit, I took a look.
But only to read the articles.
What does it say about the human race (Score:4, Insightful)
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And more interesting... (Score:3, Interesting)
Yet both groups manage to come up with advances.
Re:What does it say about the human race (Score:2, Insightful)
All I have to say... (Score:2)
When will these people face reality! (Score:3, Insightful)
Newsflash: Most people don't pay for porn. Most people don't need that much porn. Most people aren't your target market.
The way I see this is that a (relative) minority of people actually pay for porn. Everyone else just gets it from P2P and that ain't gonna change.
Re:When will these people face reality! (Score:2)
The way I see this is that a (relative) minority of people actually pay for porn. Everyone else just gets it from P2P and that ain't gonna change.
There is a flaw in your logic. I had a similar discussion with some frinends in University, I started saying something like:
"Those people who BUY porn are surely really bad [crazy], I would never get into the point of PAYING for porn"
To what a fr
How long do you think... (Score:2)
Pornographers and Ninjas find common cause! (Score:3, Funny)
Furthermore, Pornographers are well known for their ability to quickly subvert any new technology for pornographic ends. This suggests that the Robots will soon be enslaved, forming a fearsome Robot Ninja Pornographer alliance! What hope is there now for the noble Pirates? The monkeys certainly won't be any help. How could a mere monkey hope to oppose a Robot Ninja Pornographer?
The only "protection" content needs... (Score:2)
I bet you thought I would say something else about "protection." I thought about it, but you know...
That's right! Clean up the web. (Score:2)
CAPITALISM AT IT'S BEST: Supply and Demand (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The real technique they're using... (Score:5, Interesting)
(I've been waiting a long time for the appropriate place to use that line!)
Re:The real technique they're using... (Score:2)
Legions of slashdotters staring at the monitor, their eyes widening in a moment of epiphany. "Beer... women... REALLY??"
Re:The real technique they're using... (Score:2)
Staring at ANSI BBS p0rn in the basement listening to Flock of Seagulls doesn't hold a candle to the high definition p0rn of today. Whos fooling who?
Re:Hypocrites (Score:2)
Making adult movies and posing for photographs in the nude is NOT a crime.
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Re:Hollywood should copying (Score:3, Funny)
Tits, orgasms, enjoyment, cum,