Work Begins on Arctic Seed Vault 89
Aryabhata writes "BBC reports that Norway is starting construction on a 'doomsday vault' in the Arctic which is designed to house all known varieties of the world's crops. The vault's purpose is to ensure survival of crop diversity in the event of plant epidemics, nuclear war, natural disasters or climate change; and to offer the world a chance to restart growth of food crops that may have been wiped out. 'More than 100 countries have backed the vault, which will store seeds, packaged in foil, at sub-zero temperatures. ...
Norway's Agriculture Minister Terje Riis-Johansen has called the vault a "Noah's Ark on Svalbard."'"
My experiences with seed storage (Score:5, Funny)
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> Is that really your personal experience with Arctic seed storages?
Weevils sense his power and they seek the life essence. He, uh... he does not avoid weevils, Slashdotter... but he does deny them his essence.
Re:My experiences with seed storage (Score:1)
Manditory Master and Commander Quote: (Score:3, Funny)
You must always choose the lesser of two weevils!
Re:Manditory Master and Commander Quote: (Score:2)
Re:My experiences with seed storage (Score:5, Funny)
The sad part comes when in 50 years this vault is eagerly opened and found to only contain many many dead weevils.
To be honest, if I had to choose between a barren wasteland with no hope of regenerating plant life for millions of years and the potential for some surviving seeds, I'm going to have to go with the lesser of the two weevils.
Isolating seeds (Score:2)
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Vault 13 (Score:5, Funny)
Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature
Re:Vault 13 (Score:1)
I hate to have a jaded eye... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I hate to have a jaded eye... (Score:5, Insightful)
Domesticated crops can't even handle your average weed all that well. They aren't part of any natural ecosystem (some can't even breed without human help). They're essentially dependant on us to survive, which is exactly why we need to have a backup stored, in case we fuck up our existing stocks. How exactly would this "cause the destruction of future life"? Attack of the killer tomatos maybe?
And as for the earth adapting, who cares? The earth isn't in any danger, and never has been. There are plenty of events that would be disasterous for our species, and plenty of other events that would be equally disasterous for other species, but as you rightly say, life would adapt and continue. However, we might not be around to see it.
This vault has nothing to do with helping the earth adapt and everything to do with helping future humans adapt/recover.
Thank you Dr. Falken... (Score:1)
Ya, ya, maybe the War Games will bring about the time of the Bumble Bee...
Thanks Dad,
- Joshua
Re:I hate to have a jaded eye... (Score:2)
Actually, most commercial crops are highly competitive.
> They aren't part of any natural ecosystem...
Natural, smatural. We and they are part of the same ecosystem.
> some can't even breed without human help.
Many plants can't breed without the help of some animal. For crop plants, that animal happens to be us. The strategy has been very successful.
Re:I hate to have a jaded eye... (Score:5, Funny)
For over a decade, he and his brave knights fought against danger and fortune to make their way to the artica. Many died. Much was lost. But one day, our intrepid hero arrived home, in his tiny, all-but-dead village. He carried in his hand, a single vile.
"this is all that has survived of my trip" he explained. "though the artica contained many wonders, our journey was hard, and most of our cargo was lost. We managed to save this one plant. It shall be the foundation of a new human culture. We shall plant it and tend it, and we shall teach our children to cherish it. This plant is a gift from our distant ancestors. It's name" (he turns the vile on its side so that he can read the inscription) "is, Kudzu"
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Bad spelling pun alert. (Score:2)
Well, of course everyone has a castle and warriors!
Why else would you call it a baron continent?
*Smacks forehead.* Never mind. (Score:1)
Re:I hate to have a jaded eye... (Score:1, Funny)
Perhaps fighting against fortune wasn't the best strategy?
Re:I hate to have a jaded eye... (Score:2)
Re:I hate to have a jaded eye... (Score:2, Insightful)
"Mankind huddled in the dark on baron continents..." Are you sure they're not huddling on duke continents or maybe count continents? Or did you mean "barren [reference.com]" continents.
And then there's "He carried in his hand, a single vile." A single vile what? What vile thing does he later turn on its side so he can read the inscription? Or did you perchance mean "vial [reference.com]"?
The sad thing is that, based on the grammar and spelling, I'm guessing that you're American. Since I'm also American,
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-nB
Re:I hate to have a jaded eye... (Score:2)
We are not even a fraction of a blink of an eye to the Earth.
What do you do with us causing the 6th massive extinction? A blink of an eye? More like a bullet to the head.
The Moon (Score:3, Insightful)
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Anything that renders the human race extinct, by definitiion also renders these seed vaults irrelevant. This means that we mostly consider dangers arising from either war, plauge or natural disaster.
War won't affect the poles as much as it will the rest of the world. There are no strategically signifigant targets nearby to worry about. Plague that wipes out crops won't affect frozen seeds in hard to reach places. And the only natural disasters I can think of that would matter here are things like global warming and asteroid impacts - and as long as you don't build somewhere that'll flood, you should be safe from those.
The moon is much harder to get to. If we have a war, or mass starvation due to crop failure, we'd be better off with the seeds close to hand. And asteroid impacts are a much larger issue on the moon (no atmosphere to block them), as is radiation (which would sterilize the seeds), so it's not like they'd be a whole lot safer there than here.
Re:The Moon (Score:5, Insightful)
Except for the seed vault. Can't have our surviving enemies getting their hands on that. Better nuke it.
Re:The Moon (Score:2)
My thoughts exactly. If we build a single special vault for preserving some important resource, then it becomes a target. During the Cold War, there were enough nuclear weapons going around that even obscure bridges and dams were considered nuclear targets in case of full blown nuclear war. I seem to recall hearing that allies or just powerful neutral countries faced some chance of being nuked too. After all, Russia or the US wouldn't want to be colonized by a untouched China, for example. In this environme
Re:The Moon (Score:3, Interesting)
a) Humans are dead, dying, or incapable of reaching the vault
b) Whatever knocked down the humans has dissapated over the last 1000 years, so it is safe for "human friendly" life.
Of course, the 1000 years is arbitrary. I'd let a team of nuke'n'germ warfare folks com
Re:The Moon (Score:2)
More than likely... (Score:3, Funny)
I can just see it now...
"SoyLent Food Company - Good people making good food. Now in Green flavor!"
ALL known varieties? (Score:2)
I wonder if Monsanto would believe that line?
Re:ALL known varieties? (Score:2)
after considering all the facts (Score:1)
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In fact, half the danger to our current crops is due to genetic "monoculture", whereby the plants are all too genetically similar to each other. When you have field after field of practically identical plants, the possibility for a disease or parasite finding a niche is very high. Look at the Irish potatoe famine as an example of this.
Hence the need for backups like this. Monsanto isn't the source of the problem, though they've certainly made it worse.
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Interestingly, another way to look at it is that we, as species, have co-evolved with our crop varieties, to the mutual benefit of each other. After all, human-cultivated crops are massively successful, from an evolutionary standpoint, and those same crops have ensured our own survival. The same can be said for the huge number of domesticated animal species out there.
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Um, stupid place to put it... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Um, stupid place to put it... (Score:1, Insightful)
You could post guards, of course, but this has problems of cost and isn't necessarily that effective in the long term.
Having more than one bank is obviously a smart thing to do. But I don't see why it's just Norway who should be building them - write to your local repre
Re:Um, stupid place to put it... (Score:2, Insightful)
Now,plant crops are most valuable thing we have now in this ecosystem(though its considered as basic as having water).You can't reinvent them from nothing(domesticating leftover post-doomsday event plants will take ages).Coal,water,uranium,iron ore don't disappear.
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In my home town (central ohio area), i know of three that still exist reletivly close to downtown and at l
those exist.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Google for "heirloom seens, long term storage", you can find companies that sell seeds packed into cans for long shelf life. You can do it yourself too, it's not that hard to make sealed containers with like CO2 flooded in there, etc. It's a common technique in the survival/preparedness communities.
Re:those exist.... (Score:2, Interesting)
insects? (Score:1)
Re:insects? (Score:1)
Re:Um, stupid place to put it... (Score:1)
I think before we attempt to stockpile tractors and food (which is perishable, and would therefore need to be re-stocked every few years) and fertilizer and such to feed people in a major city for an entire year in case of a major disaster, we should perhaps focus first on feeding the starving people found all over the world.
Regarding the stockpiling of seeds, I believe it i
Why not the starving people? (Score:2)
Why? Let me play the Devil's Advocate for a second: saving starving people in Africa now doesn't help preserve the culture of the people who are considering the seed storage. Ultimately
Re:Um, stupid place to put it... (Score:1)
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All the worlds eggs in one basket (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe one in the arctic, one in antarctic, one in maybe the Sahara or Gobi, or maybe under a mountain somewhere.
Thus ruling out some sort of catastrophy taking out the entire seed vault.
You would also rule out one country being in charge of the system.
Re:All the worlds eggs in one basket (Score:4, Funny)
I know of the perfect place! A huge, secure facility bored into a mountain that is designed to hold its contents unperturbed for extremely long periods of time. It's under a mountain, like you say...Yucca Mountain, I think it's called...
Re:All the worlds eggs in one basket (Score:3, Interesting)
Redundancy might be a must.,
Re:All the worlds eggs in one basket (Score:3, Informative)
This seed bank is a little bit bigger, that's the only difference.
Seed banks need to replenish their stocks every few years by planting, because seeds will eventually degenerate even when stored in sub-zero temperatures.
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just make sure you get the right ones (Score:2, Insightful)
Actually, it would be wiser to hibernate some of the more 'weedlike' or 'wild' crops, those that are not yet GM'ed to the final product, so that a fast start can be made to produce lots of initial raw material. (the 'wilder' the plant, the faster it multiplies, mostly.. and the offspring can be crossed with many a cultiv
nice business plan... (Score:1)
1. create vault of all food crops in world
2. incide thermonuclear war
3. PROFIT!
Noah's Ark (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Excellent! (Score:1)
Global Warming? (Score:4, Insightful)
Hmm..their backup/failsafe cooling system is permafrost. Cue the global warming inducted failure discussion.
sure, but... (Score:2)
They Made a Movie About This (Score:1, Funny)
In the end they all die except the stupid little robot.
Not sure about this plan... (Score:4, Funny)
Post-apocalyptic Human 2: But where exactly?
Post-apocalyptic Human 1: Well I have the GPS coordinates here but they're a bit useless seeing as the GPS satellites were first to go in the War
Post-apocalyptic Human 2: So how are we going to find them?
Post-apocalyptic Human 1: Well I have a picture of the site.
Post-apocalyptic Human 2: Cool, what does it look like?
Post-apocalyptic Human 1: Well it's a patch of white snow surrounded by lots of white snow.
Post-apocalyptic Human 2: Don't you have a map or something?
Post-apocalyptic Human 1: Yeah, I can see exactly where it is relative to a bunch of features...
Post-apocalyptic Human 2: Cool!
Post-apocalyptic Human 1:
Post-apocalyptic Human 2: So what are we going to do?
Post-apocalyptic Human 1: Screw it! Seeds are just hippie food anyway.
The Future of Food (Score:2)
After watching the documentary, I have to say, the don't have far to go...
Who exactly is going to use this? (Score:3, Insightful)
A) Human be pretty freaking dead also?
B) If there were survivors, wouldn't they starve to death by the time they: 1) Went to the north pole and back, 2) found arable land to plant these seeds in the middle of a worldwide catastrophe, 3) Raised a successful crop?
Besides, what do zombies need with seeds? They eat brains.
Re:Who exactly is going to use this? (Score:2)
Good. Now assuming. . . (Score:2)
Right. Now. . . How good a sci-fi novel would it be to set about searching for one such time capsule from a previous world-spanning empire? Atlantis, Lemuria, or something prior. .
Or have such things already been fo
Re:Good. Now assuming. . . (Score:1)
See H.P. Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness. http://sprg.ssl.berkeley.edu/~wcoburn/hpl/mountai