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Human-Dolphin Partnership Reserve

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish dept.

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ahbe writes that the Myanmar government recently established a protected reserve for partnering between fisherman and wild dolphins. From the article: "The fascinating partnership involves fishermen summoning the dolphins to voluntarily herd schools of fish toward the boats and awaiting nets. With the aid of the river-dwelling dolphins, the fishermen can increase the size of their catches by threefold, and the dolphins appear to benefit by more easily preying on the cornered fish in both nets and on the muddy banks of the river."

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So Long (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15599626)

And thanks for all the fish.

Re:So Long (0, Offtopic)

notanatheist (581086) | more than 8 years ago | (#15601733)

Take this guy up to a 5. Hurry! Mod him up!! I'd give him a '42' if I could.

Do they get lasers? (-1, Offtopic)

DarkCreature (714284) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599629)

I have to ask. First comment!

Let's take a trip back in time (-1, Troll)

anotherone (132088) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599632)

This old troll [sexwork.com] copy/paste seems eerily on-topic.

Dolphinsex.org (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15600225)

Here's that same piece on a cache of dolphinsex.org [archive.org] with an interesting prologue. However I don't think your assessment of this as a copy/paste troll is accurate. It looks to me like a very informative and well written how-to guide which has guided countless budding zoophiliacs.

Changing views on dolphin sentience? (4, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599661)

Just forty years ago Larry Niven, in his first book of Known Space, World of Ptaavs (now collected in the Three Books of Known Space [amazon.com] omnibus) had dolphins talking with humans and handling tools by means of various technological implants linked to the nervous system. It seemed to be taken for granted that dolphins were self-aware and just as intelligent as human beings, they just couldn't tell us so.

Now, however, that idea is totally gone from speculative fiction. What research has been done in the last few decades that has removed hope that dolphins are really as smart as we once thought?

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (3, Interesting)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599722)

Maybe it's the fact that chimps can do all that and more. It's just not all that exciting to have another sentient species to hang around with. Consider that although both chimps and dolphins are sentient, they're not necessarily interested in the same kind of things as humans are. Compare that to just about any "alien intelligence" that has appeared on Star Trek.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 8 years ago | (#15603004)

Consider that although both chimps and dolphins are sentient, they're not necessarily interested in the same kind of things as humans are.

Sentient? By what definition?

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#15603157)

Sentient really aint that hard to meet. "it feels pain" is typically sufficient for sentience.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (2, Interesting)

Memnos (937795) | more than 8 years ago | (#15604134)

Excuse me? Chimps can do all that and more? Perhaps you only know the difference between other primates and humans at a superficial level:

- Chimpanzees are far stronger than humans (or for that matter, mountain lions), but there is no other animal that can throw a 95 mph fastball. That is not a random skill, it was a huge evolutionary advantage for us when hunting with tools such as spears and rocks. It requires demonstrably superior skills in preconscious coordination of shoulder and arm muscles. Watch ANY other animal attempt to throw. Such skill requires a lot of computational ability, cortical wetware in our case. Nothing in history matches it.

- Can Chimpanzees eat almost anything? They come close but h. sapiens comes a lot closer. Indeed, our spread throughout the world was dependent upon it, our current biology shows our ability to tolerate foodstuffs of a far greater variety than most animals. Unless of course you dispute the fact that we spread throughout the world. Countless species that dominated their time and niche did not do so well when they had to switch diets.

- On to delphinidae, they have evolutionary advantages that we lack, and are missing many of ours. I would say that the latter is foremost, because I did not discuss opposable thumbs or toolmaking in the above paragraphs.

- I also did not discuss the visual cortex of humans, which comprised a large part of our bio-computational ability prior to the neo-cortex. But then, what about the abilities of tursiops truncatis to "see" in a 3-D world and discriminate a baseball from a tennis ball at 30 meters, or sense a pregnant female at 100 meters? This requires what is called a high "cephalization index", as well as specialized wetware. Dolphins have it, and they have more abilities besides. Do not discount their intelligence.

- As importantly, do not overestimate the intelligence of a Bonobo because it shares a very high percentage of genes with us. If only .01 precent of those genes are in the homeobox system and favor higher brain development for us, as they do, it can make all the difference in the world.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#15604156)

"all that and more" was refering to the technology Larry Niven described to enable Dolphins to do stuff the humans find interesting. The point being you don't need to give Dolphins advanced technology to find a sentient creature with interests similar to humans, the apes already exist.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (5, Interesting)

Inverted Intellect (950622) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599738)

Dolphins are pretty smart, all right. They have excellent social intelligence, even to the point of being able to communicate somewhat effectively with other species, most notably us humans.

I've always found it relatively obvious why dolphins wouldn't develop very high intelligence as corresponds to that measured by IQ, which is generally called g. We humans evolved heightened intelligence because that's what we needed to be able to adapt to rapidly changing conditions and to exploit multiple sources of food. But why would dolphins really develop both the sort of intelligence, and the limbs, needed to make and handle tools (which I think is an important part of developing the g type of intelligence as that which is seen in humans)? Their only natural predators are sharks and orcas, and they've got those pretty well covered due to their excellent teamwork skills. Those lucky bastards are practically living in paradise!

But then again, maybe we'd find that dolphins have the neccessary intelligence for toolmaking, if we just gave them some manipulators. That is to say hands.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (4, Funny)

kv9 (697238) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600087)

Dolphins are pretty smart, all right.

yes, but do they have frickin' lase... oh wait

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (1)

thelost (808451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600268)

i for one am in favour of breeding more sea predators as a program to increase dolphin predation, and also we need to start leaving cryptic aquatic rubics cube style puzzles around the ocean which dolphins can solve to be rewarded. truly we are gods.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15600667)

But then again, maybe we'd find that dolphins have the neccessary intelligence for toolmaking, if we just gave them some manipulators. That is to say hands.

I would add: If we gave them hands, and turned them into animals completely inept at handling their natural environment.

Fortunately, dolphins are like fish in water (pardon the pun) and I really don't think they'd need to create tools since they already pretty much master their environment.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (1)

Magdalene (263144) | more than 8 years ago | (#15603948)

they have brains as large as ours and can be taught a variety of intelligent things in lab tests.. one doesnt need limbs to use tools. If people can remember the Crow that could use tools? [sciencemag.org]

Recently there seemed to be an article on dolphin communication http://www.dolphincommunicationproject.org/ [slashdot.org] >here.

I think we underestimate the intelligence of creatures around us constantly and don't give them enough credit as is.

And Gee who is more intelligent, they get to play with each other, eat, sleep hang out and have sex all day.. while we work and toil for a buck, just to get money so we can have a day off once in a while so we can have a bit of time to do the same... hmmm. my vote is with the dolphins.

but that is just my 2 cents. dont get me started on cephlopods.

Chtulu for president.
 

That's it for us monkeys! (3, Funny)

joeytsai (49613) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600978)

But why would dolphins really develop both the sort of intelligence, and the limbs, needed to make and handle tools (which I think is an important part of developing the g type of intelligence as that which is seen in humans)?


Be glad that they didn't evolve in such a manner, or we would be screwed [theonion.com] . Start practicing your echolocation as soon as possible!

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (2, Interesting)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#15601593)

But then again, maybe we'd find that dolphins have the neccessary intelligence for toolmaking, if we just gave them some manipulators. That is to say hands. Many animals have the intelligence for making and using simple tools like sticks. The problem comes in the ability to use imagination. I've seen examples of simple puzzles that dolphins can't figure out and complex puzzles that they can.
Case in point, you train a dolphin that they have to put two balls into a hole within 30 seconds of eachother in order to get a treat. They can do this fine as long as the balls are close enough, but put the second ball too far away and they will never solve the problem (obvious answer is to move the balls closer before you put the first one in). But given multiple switches and levers each of which have obvious logical visible outcomes they can figure out which order to apply the levers to get inside and receive their treat. Its the ability to think logically vs creativly.

Man had always assumed... (1)

S.P.B.Wylie (983357) | more than 8 years ago | (#15601810)

... that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons. -Doughlas Adams

Smarter or not, dolphins have it right.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (2, Insightful)

Xtravar (725372) | more than 8 years ago | (#15603092)

Well, if they started forming large groups and killing themselves, then they'd probably evolve our form of intelligence as well... afterall, the #1 natural enemy of human beings throughout the ages has been, well, human beings.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15599872)

You do realise that this type of partnership doesn't demonstrate any special intelligence, don't you? Farmers have been using dogs to herd sheep for hundreds of years, but I don't see anybody suggesting that dogs are as intelligent as human beings.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15604283)

But... but, we ARE!

This research (2, Funny)

2008 (900939) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599991)

link [theonion.com]

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (4, Informative)

jani (4530) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599993)

Now, however, that idea is totally gone from speculative fiction.


The idea was picked up again by the Uplift trilogies by David Brin; Sundiver (1980), Startide Rising (1983) and The Uplift War (1987); Brightness Reef (1995), Infinity's Shore (1996) and Heaven's Reach (1998). I suppose that Startide Rising and The Uplift War are the most notable. Baby seals will cry if you don't buy these books, but nobody else. ;)

And of course, we have Douglas Adams.

I wouldn't call the idea "totally gone", just not overwhelmingly popular or compelling.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (1)

eggsome (660932) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600277)

I was hoping somebody would pick up on that :) The one where the misson was commanded by dolphins was awesome. Checked out yer webpage BTW, go ADOM!

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (3, Interesting)

mdfst13 (664665) | more than 8 years ago | (#15601668)

"The idea was picked up again by the Uplift trilogies by David Brin"

Actually, Brin had a different idea. He acknowledged that dolphins (and chimpanzees) were less intelligent than humans. However, he suggested that if we (humans) wanted, we could deliberately push the dolphins and chimpanzees to evolve. The net result, tool wielding dolphins, was the same, but the path was different.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (1)

RockModeNick (617483) | more than 8 years ago | (#15601966)

Would Seaquest DSV count as a speculative work of fiction?

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (1)

trongey (21550) | more than 8 years ago | (#15606568)

Just forty years ago Larry Niven...had dolphins talking with humans and handling tools ...
But it turns out that dolphins are a little too bright to get sucked into either of these dead-end activities.

Re:Changing views on dolphin sentience? (1)

Sabriel (134364) | more than 8 years ago | (#15611530)

What research has been done in the last few decades that has removed hope that dolphins are really as smart as we once thought?
I don't know about research that's removed hope, but I've read some that's given hope. Just recently even:

2006: Dolphins have their own names [bbc.co.uk] 2005: Dolphin Moms Teach Daughters to Use Tools [nationalgeographic.com]

However I doubt dolphins will be officially recognised as people any time soon, for any number of reasons (legal, religious, diet, greed, etc). It's hard enough convincing some folks that all humans are people (rather than slaves/menials/tools/fodder), let alone an entirely different one.

Win-win? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15599690)

Balancing the protection of a critically endangered wildlife population with local livelihoods and preservation of a unique cultural tradition is a win-win situation for all.
The fish might have a differing opinion on that.

From the title, I was SURE... (3, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599693)

...that this was something that George W. would disapprove or write a constitutional amendment about.

But now that I see it's about taking advantage of nature's resources by utilizing the intelligence of others, I'm pretty sure he'd be behind it.

Re:From the title, I was SURE... (1, Troll)

jozmala (101511) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599777)

...that this was something that George W. would disapprove or write a constitutional amendment about.

But now that I see it's about taking advantage of nature's resources by utilizing the intelligence of others, I'm pretty sure he'd be behind it.


I think it goes far beyond that. I think he practices it personally a lot.

Re:From the title, I was SURE... (1)

jozmala (101511) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600196)

What?? Making jokes about GWB:s intellect isn't considered politically correct anymore on slashdot???

Re:From the title, I was SURE... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15600204)

Redundant, probably, would have been the more appropriate mod.

No surprise (4, Funny)

Negative Response (650136) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599696)

This really should be expected, them dolphins being the second most intelligent on the Earth and all, you know, next only to mice.

Re:No surprise (2, Interesting)

zbyte64 (720193) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599716)

Reminds me of the Futurama episode where they all gathered to eat a dophin and one objected saying that the dolphin was intelligent - but then someone said the dolphin wasted his money on lottery tickets.

Joking aside...

There was this documentary about how these doplhins would use a similiar tactic just instead of a net they would use the bank of the shore line and the dolphins would temporarly bank themselves to catch fish. Scientists were baffled by how this was started. Now its obvios, doplhins are just plain smart!

OMG DOLPHINS (1, Insightful)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599839)

There was this documentary about how these doplhins would use a similiar tactic just instead of a net they would use the bank of the shore line and the dolphins would temporarly bank themselves to catch fish. Scientists were baffled by how this was started. Now its obvios, doplhins are just plain smart!

I remember seeing that because the sight of dolphins leaping up onto the muddy banks to grab stranded fish was really something! A localized group of dolphins innovating to maximize the resources available to them seems to indicate that they are pretty smart. I won't say that their intelligence rivals that of humans, since we clearly grasp abstract concepts pretty well and can create some pretty neat tools. But they have never started any major wars, nor have they developed weapons that can destroy most all life on Earth (to my knowledge anyway - they might be more clever and sneaky than we give them credit for), as we have. They also speak Dolphin much better than most Americans ever well. (Caveat: most Americans never speak nothin other than English, and few speak that language well. And I ain't never never met no dolphins that talk da English better than me, yo!)

(Note: I use "we" to denote myself and fellow humans. Please take this into account if you are a dolphin or of some other species that I do not think very highly of.) But yeah, dolphins got nothin on me!!!

Dolphins (4, Interesting)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599702)

I forget the exact wording, but it goes something like: "Humans invented war, the M25 and Windows while the dolphins were just playing in the water and eating fish. On the other hand, the dolphins considered themselves more intelligent - for precisely the same reasons".

And I for one welcome our new cetacean overlords.

Re:Dolphins (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15599759)

If you are going to quote the good book [amazon.com] , please get it right.

For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons.

Re:Dolphins (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15601519)

If you are going to quote the good book, please get it right.
Were you away from retard school on the day they did the words "forget", "exact" and "wording"? So shut the fuck up already you buck-toothed limey faggot. GP got the basic point of it.


And hey, nobody click the link. He's a referral whore.

Re:Dolphins (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15613013)

Come on moderasshats. Grandparent is clearly a red faced fat fuck who spent all day memorizing books and never had time to take a shower or get laid.

Re:Dolphins (1)

Locked (132760) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599921)

I believe that was from the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.

We need an amendment to ban Human/Dolphin marriage (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15599704)

Human/Dolphin partnerships are just the first step on the Dolphin agenda! Soon they will begin having parades and demanding marriage, and that will destory the sanctity of marriage! Marriage should be between a human and a human! Adam and Steve, not Adam and OOOEEEEEE-CLICK-CLICK-CLICK-AAAAAAAA!

  Eve, I mean! Adam and Eve! I'm not gay. No one who's a good Christian is ever gay, understand? Ok. Just wanted to clear that up.

Too late.. (1)

slashmojo (818930) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600060)

Too late to stop the dolphin marriage [ynetnews.com]

Like Cindy, the dolphin? (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600326)

Read here [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Like Cindy, the dolphin? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15601043)

Before you listen to any more drivel by 'AntDude [slashdot.org] ', take a look at who you're dealing with: http://pbx.mine.nu/antdude.jpg [pbx.mine.nu] . The abortion in the center is 'AntDude'. I won't even get into discussion about him listing his 'sex' as 'female' on his SHITTY 'blog' (aqfl.net [aqfl.net] ). This faggot has nothing better to do than sit on the internet and spew worthless garbage. He's the new LostCluster [slashdot.org] when it comes to posting utterly worthless tripe. Not to mention his submitted stories! Every single one of his last 10 or so submissions have been tagged as 'lame' or 'slownewsday'. Why does taco even bother posting his shit. Maybe he gets some tiny deformed chinese cock up his taco ass in exchange for some linkspam with google ads? Do the world a favor and never reply to comments from ANTDUDE and mark him as a FOE [slashdot.org] .

Re:Like Cindy, the dolphin? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15602230)

Before you listen to any more drivel by 'AntDude [slashdot.org] ', take a look at who you're dealing with: http://pbx.mine.nu/antdude.jpg [pbx.mine.nu] . The abortion in the center is 'AntDude'. I won't even get into discussion about him listing his 'sex' as 'female' on his SHITTY 'blog' (aqfl.net [aqfl.net] ). This faggot has nothing better to do than sit on the internet and spew worthless garbage. He's the new LostCluster [slashdot.org] when it comes to posting utterly worthless tripe. Not to mention his submitted stories! Every single one of his last 10 or so submissions have been tagged as 'lame' or 'slownewsday'. Why does taco even bother posting his shit. Maybe he gets some tiny deformed chinese cock up his taco ass in exchange for some linkspam with google ads? Do the world a favor and never reply to comments from ANTDUDE and mark him as a FOE [slashdot.org] .

Re:Like Cindy, the dolphin? (0, Offtopic)

antdude (79039) | more than 8 years ago | (#15602437)

1) AQFL is not just a blog. Reread what the site said for its purposes.
2) I am a Christian, not gay/homosexual. Also, a virgin.
3) I am disabled, born with multiple disabilities, so I don't go out much.
4) You're being very rude, troll.

BTW, nul1o... (-1, Offtopic)

antdude (79039) | more than 8 years ago | (#15603923)

I know it is you and have your IP address now.

Re:BTW, nul1o... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15604034)

Before you listen to any more drivel by 'AntDude [slashdot.org] ', take a look at who you're dealing with: http://pbx.mine.nu/antdude.jpg [pbx.mine.nu] . The abortion in the center is 'AntDude'. I won't even get into discussion about him listing his 'sex' as 'female' on his SHITTY 'blog' (aqfl.net [aqfl.net] ). This faggot has nothing better to do than sit on the internet and spew worthless garbage. He's the new LostCluster [slashdot.org] when it comes to posting utterly worthless tripe. Not to mention his submitted stories! Every single one of his last 10 or so submissions have been tagged as 'lame' or 'slownewsday'. Why does taco even bother posting his shit. Maybe he gets some tiny deformed chinese cock up his taco ass in exchange for some linkspam with google ads? Do the world a favor and never reply to comments from ANTDUDE and mark him as a FOE [slashdot.org] .

Re:BTW, nul1o... (-1, Offtopic)

antdude (79039) | more than 8 years ago | (#15609741)

Uh huh. What about yourself?

Re:BTW, nul1o... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15609913)

your hollow threats do nothing for me, you need to try harder FOE.

Funny? (0, Offtopic)

antdude (79039) | more than 8 years ago | (#15604871)

So, what's so funny about my last post/comment? I was being serious and NOT joking. If you don't believe me, then please kindly visit my Web sites. I am really disabled, Christian, etc.

Re:Funny? (1)

YHBTAndJewsDidWtc (975687) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605524)

Before you listen to any more drivel by 'AntDude [slashdot.org] ', take a look at who you're dealing with: http://pbx.mine.nu/antdude.jpg [pbx.mine.nu] . The abortion in the center is 'AntDude'. I won't even get into discussion about him listing his 'sex' as 'female' on his SHITTY 'blog' (aqfl.net [aqfl.net] ). This faggot has nothing better to do than sit on the internet and spew worthless garbage. He's the new LostCluster [slashdot.org] when it comes to posting utterly worthless tripe. Not to mention his submitted stories! Every single one of his last 10 or so submissions have been tagged as 'lame' or 'slownewsday'. Why does taco even bother posting his shit. Maybe he gets some tiny deformed chinese cock up his taco ass in exchange for some linkspam with google ads? Do the world a favor and never reply to comments from ANTDUDE and mark him as a FOE [slashdot.org] .

Re:Like Cindy, the dolphin? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15602370)

Before you listen to any more drivel by 'AntDude [slashdot.org] ', take a look at who you're dealing with: http://pbx.mine.nu/antdude.jpg [pbx.mine.nu] . The abortion in the center is 'AntDude'. I won't even get into discussion about him listing his 'sex' as 'female' on his SHITTY 'blog' (aqfl.net [aqfl.net] ). This faggot has nothing better to do than sit on the internet and spew worthless garbage. He's the new LostCluster [slashdot.org] when it comes to posting utterly worthless tripe. Not to mention his submitted stories! Every single one of his last 10 or so submissions have been tagged as 'lame' or 'slownewsday'. Why does taco even bother posting his shit. Maybe he gets some tiny deformed chinese cock up his taco ass in exchange for some linkspam with google ads? Do the world a favor and never reply to comments from ANTDUDE and mark him as a FOE [slashdot.org] .

Re:Like Cindy, the dolphin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15602418)

Like STFU?

Those Burmese.... (3, Funny)

Zemran (3101) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599741)

partnering between fisherman and wild dolphins.

this is just too perverse...

Re:Those Burmese.... (2, Funny)

Emetophobe (878584) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599822)

partnering between fisherman and wild dolphins.

this is just too perverse...


What about this petition [petitiononline.com]

Re:Those Burmese.... (2, Funny)

whoop (194) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600390)

I find it funny that there are Google ads of "Bush vs Clinton" on the remarks from signatures. That's gotta say something about something, AdSense knows all.

Re:Those Burmese.... (1)

whoop (194) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600404)

A long time ago I found a post here on Slashdot with a signature that pointed to some domain like dolphinsex.org (I checked, they're all parked by ad whores), that went into far too much detail about how to do just that, what it was like, etc. It's got to be out there somewhere still. Funny, yet scarey, that someone typed up that long essay, true or not...

Re:Those Burmese.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15601200)

http://www.zoophile.net/dolphin.php [zoophile.net]

Anonymous? ...check.

Re:Those Burmese.... (1)

RockModeNick (617483) | more than 8 years ago | (#15601997)

I believe I read the same link once, but from what I have heard dolphins are one of the few consentual beastiality companions ever found.

Useful to humans = No extinction (4, Insightful)

johnnywheeze (792148) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599743)

Usefulness to humans seems to be a huge evolutionary advantage.

There's also a small population of Irawaddy Dolphins in the Mekong river where Laos Cambodia and Thailand meet. They also have a population less than 100.

Sadly, being useful to local fishermen is probably the only way these creatures will be allowed to continue to exist, as human beings aren't really keen on cutting pollution, not building dams, and protecting the fisheries. Currently they're on parole from a very small tourism industry around viewing them.

Hopefully more fishermen will pick this up and they will become as common as elephants, water buffalo and the other useful creatures around here.

Tempting to call bullshit? (4, Interesting)

jeremymiles (725644) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599873)

TFA is extremely short on details.
  • How does one summon dolphins? How do the dolphins know that they are to 'herd' the fish into the nets?
  • How do the dolphins not get caught in the same nets?
  • If herding the fish means the dolphins get more to eat, why do they need to do this into the nets? Why not use a small bay to do this? If the dolphins didn't come across this in a couple of million years of evolution, well, they really are dim
  • How come more respectable news sources haven't picked up on this E.g. the http://news.bbc.co.uk/ [bbc.co.uk] or http://www.newscientist.com/ [newscientist.com] . They've both shown themselves to take a pretty relaxed line on checking the credibility of stories ( toothing [wikipedia.org] or Nanniebot [newscientist.com] anyone?. Even Google News [google.co.uk] gives us only one hit.

    Nice idea though, and it would be cool if it were true.

Re:Tempting to call bullshit? (3, Funny)

despik (691728) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600044)

How does one summon dolphins?

Why, I would believe that it is customary to use a +1 Coral Wand of Dolphin Summoning.

just need a warlock (1)

silverdirk (853406) | more than 8 years ago | (#15604291)

No, you just get a warlock and two friends, and invite the dolphin to your party.

Re:Tempting to call bullshit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15600069)

I actually saw a program about this on the BBC a few years ago

Re:Tempting to call bullshit? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15600161)

it ain't bullshit. I've seen a documentary showing it.

the fishermen call the dolphins by hitting oars on the water. and don't ask me why, but dolphins do come (sometimes when they are around probably)
and they donc get caught in the nets cause it's nets to catch short fishes and it's short nets. well what I saw on tv were short nets put by people, not with boats.

and it's good for the dolphins cause they do get lots of fishes in the process.

Ever more bullshit (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 8 years ago | (#15601173)

"the fishermen can increase the size of their catches by threefold, and the dolphins appear to benefit by more easily preying on the cornered fish in both nets and on the muddy banks of the river."

Yeah, hurray, the dolphins get an easier catch for how long? 20 minutes? Than they lost even more fish due to humans taking up 3 times as much as usuall. Hurray! Good day for the dolphins.

Fucking stupid people who catch and eat fish from a fleet which is way to large for what the seas can handle. What will you do when you have catched all the fish?

Re:Ever more bullshit (1)

RockModeNick (617483) | more than 8 years ago | (#15602169)

do like the US and subsidize fishing so the fishermen can continue to survive at the trade for far longer than the ocean can support and prevent simple ecconomics from preventing overharvest of particular ocean bounties by causing fishermen to rotate their catches.

Every time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15599911)

...someone finds a bigger dick every man is screaming... and every woman got that funny Mona Lisa like smile on her lips.
Wait... this was not about SEX with dolphins ???

Now we know what they meant (1, Redundant)

luguvalium2 (466022) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600980)

when they said: So long and thanks for all the fish.

Human-Dolphin partnerships? (1)

posterlogo (943853) | more than 8 years ago | (#15601595)

If anything can rile up the conservative base, it's the thought of human-dolphin partnerships. I guess when he said "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully," GWB he conveniently left out aquatic mammals, leaving an issue open for election years!

And Then All The Fish Are Gone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15601778)

...and the dolphins die. YAY!

Dolphin Intelligence (2, Funny)

SpaceToast (974230) | more than 8 years ago | (#15601942)

Actually, the idea of dolphins having near or equal to human intelligence was being bandied about in a pretty high profile setting as recently as 1996. Remember Seaquest DSV?

I swear, that must have been the easiest show ever to pitch:

A TV executive taps his pen absently, briefly pursing his lips as he scans Roy Scheider's name off a proposed cast list. The lights dim. A lone desk lamp throws light up on a couple of jittery, curly-haired men with bad suits and an overlarge portfolio that'll never be opened. One stands up, and begins to gesture: "Okay, it's Star Trek... underwater!" The pen ceases tapping.

Re:Dolphin Intelligence (1)

sciencecneisc (980820) | more than 8 years ago | (#15603731)

Darwin the dolphin is not a gag but rather a thought out statement to attract the audience into respecting animals more by humanizing them. The SeaQuest show took advantage of promising science and speculated about advancements in marine technology and yes, inter-species translation apparently, to increase harmony with the ocean and its creatures. And the first season wasn' that bad!

Re:Dolphin Intelligence (1)

SpaceToast (974230) | more than 8 years ago | (#15606348)

Agreed on all points (especially the first season comment) but I'll go you one farther: Darwin is still the best realized "alien" crewmember in any scifi tv series. His psychology is distinctly nonhuman but comprehensible. He requires a different physical environment to live in. He communicates through a translation system, which is never treated as a babelfish-style magic bullet. Plus, he's just plain not a one to two meter tall biped. Usually, this sort of character would be treated as a pet, but when the writers were on their game he was decidedly an integral and uniquely valuable member of the series' crew.

I'll give O'Bannon's later effort Farscape props for attempting physically nonhuman cast members, but that's about it.

My my... Sometimes I think that if Slashdot threads never went off topic they wouldn't go anywhere.

Re:Dolphin Intelligence (1)

sciencecneisc (980820) | more than 8 years ago | (#15606900)

In season 1, there's an episode where they setup an additional translation system with a laser that monitors his back tail flipper and creates video images out of it. That's the one with William Shatner's autistic kid. The other one that I've seen that showed off Darwin's psychology was about a former prodigy who steals Darwin in order to research his circle theory of the universe. He looks at dolphins as holding the secret. It turns out to be a touching, elegant dialogue between Darwin and the obsessed genius. Thanks for connecting for me O'Bannon to SeaQuest DSV, [Alien Nation], and Farscape.

I call BS (1)

bagsc (254194) | more than 8 years ago | (#15602857)

The Burmese Government is more likely trying to use this to bring in tourists and try to make people forget that they are a brutally repressive regime, that habitually lies to their people and outsiders.

Simply disgusting (1, Offtopic)

ecloud (3022) | more than 8 years ago | (#15603604)

I think the government should set some pretty restrictive quotas on commercial fishing in both oceans and inland water bodies, and do something to encourage fish farming (in ponds, not pre-existing rivers). Otherwise some species are going to go extinct. This form of commercial greed is really getting outrageous, and this story is just one more example of it. Eating lots of fish is very good for us humans, but the planet can't keep up with the number of people anymore. It's time to find alternatives to satisfy the demand. I think for us to switch to mostly catfish and the like (raised in controlled conditions) might be the best way.

Re:Simply disgusting (1)

zoobsolar (934527) | more than 8 years ago | (#15608887)

Harry Harrison had a suggestion for such an alternative in his novel, Soylent Green. yum!

'nuff said

all you need to know about human/dolphin relations (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15603609)

A return to ancient ways? (2, Interesting)

The Wicked Priest (632846) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605041)

I've read speculation that the unusual friendliness of dolphins towards humans stems from our being fishing partners long ago. (Also, speculation that human hairlessness and "blubber" is the result of our ancestors spending a great deal of time in the water.)

Re:A return to ancient ways? (1)

RockModeNick (617483) | more than 8 years ago | (#15613644)

I had throught the "aquatic ape theory" is quite unpopular, due to other african animals, such as the rhino, which are also largely hairless and blubbery.
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