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Sony Talks PS3 E-Distribution Initiative

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the download-the-rehashes dept.

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simoniker writes "Talking about its PlayStation 3 E-Distribution Initiative, the company's intended Xbox Live Arcade 'killer', SCEA's John Hight has laid down a challenge to Microsoft, commenting that: 'Some of our [digitally distributed first-party] games, by virtue of their design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on Xbox 360.'" More from the article: "The PlayStation Beyond submission site has been online since GDC 2006, when Sony's Phil Harrison announced its presence, and explains further of the concept: 'The E-Distribution Initiative (EDI) will provide an alternative publishing opportunity for the direct download of games and other content to the user. The EDI will be managed by Sony Computer Entertainment's development and studio organizations in North America, Europe, Japan and Asia (collectively known as SCE Worldwide Studios).'"

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First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15660605)

First Post?

Sony's Second Mistake (1, Interesting)

utopianfiat (774016) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660629)

Where their first was Kaz Hirai:
The Playstation 3 will retail for 599 USD...

Re:Sony's Second Mistake (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661674)

Make that twenty-second, the first twenty being Ken Kutaragi.

Re:Sony's Second Mistake (3, Insightful)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661869)

Hey guys, the PS3 is expensive! OMG LOL! Let's keep repeating this forever and ever, even if it's in a discussion about something different and we can't tie it into a real argument.

Seriously, we get it. Enough already.

Is the PS3 vapor, still? (2, Insightful)

wonkavader (605434) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660631)

We've had so many stories about the PS3, and I'm excited because of the Cell chips, but with all this chatter, HAS ANYONE SEEN A DEMO?

Does the thing work, yet? Are there any games people have seen running? Are the graphics or the smarts or the complexity really beyond the 360? Is it all simulation for design, still, or is there a PS3 that basically works that people have seen, and is it stunning?

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (1)

utopianfiat (774016) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660646)

You've obviously missed Sony's impressive E3 Press conference [youtube.com]

The game is based on Ancient Japanese History, where the battles actually took place...
... and here we have this giant enemy crab...

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (1)

Dance_Dance_Karnov (793804) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663044)

Flip it over, for massive damage.

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (3, Informative)

falcon8080 (975701) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660675)

uhhh, did you see any of the E3 coverage?

Basically, it has games running on it. The games dont look any better that the 360, and certainly dont look as good as the images they released ages ago. Its pretty much meh, hence the price tag being too much as you can get a 360 and a wii for less that a PS3, and have the same graphics and innovative gameplay (with the wii). go look up the E3 coverage for running demo viedos

As for this digital distribution thing, I fail to see how it is better than the 360's. Everything talked about (Content distribution, demo delivery etc) is already implemented in Live, that and Live is actually up, running and making money. Which means that it is also constantly getting refined with mass user feedback, whereas the PS3 online offering will have little end user feedback at launch time.

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15660815)

What a fucking loser.

There isn't anything more pathetic in console gaming that Xbox/Dreamcast fanboys.

Perpetual losers.

Hey clown, you going to spend another five years posting that same crap?

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15660895)

How can you tell? I haven't seen a single E3 report that used actual game footage at any higher than 640x480 resolution. At the piss-poor video quality [google.com] that current 'net users consider "acceptable," the PlayStation 3's graphics don't look any better than the PlayStation 1's.

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15661115)

"Basically, it has games running on it. The games dont look any better that the 360"

I don't know, I've not seen anything quite as nice as MGS4 or FFXIII on 360 yet, but maybe that's subjective.

"hence the price tag being too much as you can get a 360 and a wii for less that a PS3"

Unlikely. Unless you want to get a 360 Core pack, but who wants that?

"and have the same graphics and innovative gameplay"

But not the same games. Ultimately that's what it comes down to. 360 and PS3 share some of the same games as Xbox and PS2 did before them, but PS3's library is still heavy on exclusives and exhibiting the same variety PS2 had, that IMO Xbox and 360 sorely lack.

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661718)

Unlikely. Unless you want to get a 360 Core pack, but who wants that?

PS3: 599€
XBox 360 "Premium": 379€
Wii: 199€

Unless you expect the Wii, Nintendo's weakest console (compared to its competitors) to be its most expensive console as well.

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (2, Interesting)

Julian352 (108216) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661899)

You should take a look at the Gears of War video from E3. That is definitely a real-time capture of the game as it is played, and not something pre-rendered or a rendered cinematic. (Halo 3 is a rendered cinematic, which means no AI, extra game logic, etc.)

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15662003)

I'm starting off by saying that I had no interest in either the 360 or PS3 going into (or comming out of) E3, so I don't know too much about what was shown in playable form, but I didn't think that either MGS4 or FF13 were shown in a playable form at E3. Much like the Killzone trailer, anything that can be said about the graphics of either game is pretty much pointless until you can actually play the game.

It's (essentially) like my feelings about Smash Bros. for the Wii; if it actually looks that good in game the Wii is more powerful than most people are ready to admit. We won't know how it looks in game until TGS (at the earliest) so we can't really say anything.

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (3, Interesting)

radish (98371) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662366)

All the E3 demos were running on dev kits, not final PS3 hardware (and before any uninformed PS3 fans deny this, I was there, I saw them and I posted photos on flickr). Having said that, at this stage in the game I'd expect devkits to pretty much exactly match final specs (although I've heard rumors lately of a speed drop on the cpu). Anyway, regardless of all that games were running and were playable. And they were decent looking - but certainly not obviously better than anything the 360 can do. I spent a few minutes studying Virtua Tennis running side by side on a 360 and a PS3 and couldn't tell the difference. I even asked the producer if there was a difference and he said "basically, no". That's only one game and only one developer (Sega), but I'm personally not holding my breath for any major jump in graphics over the 360.

Re:Is the PS3 vapor, still? (1)

tbannist (230135) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662741)

Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't really expect any graphical difference on a cross-platform game. Optimizing for one console or the other doesn't pay off in that situation. The problem, of course, is that comparing exclusives to one another isn't going to be very reasonable either.

I suppose we'll actually have to wait and see whether the PS3 games can wow people or not.

um... (5, Insightful)

computertheque (823940) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660634)

"Some of our [digitally distributed first-party] games, by virtue of their design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on Xbox 360" So he means they're developed without cross platform distribution in mind. Let's not be so harsh about it Phil, just be honest about it.

Um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15660644)

Moving right along, then...

Cause of the Hardware Demands? (3, Interesting)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660651)

John Hight has laid down a challenge to Microsoft, commenting that: 'Some of our [digitally distributed first-party] games, by virtue of their design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on Xbox 360.'"

And why are the hardware demands so high? Is it because the games are that much cooler? Or because the programmers suck? Reminds me of the reason why Windows Vista's Hardware requirements are so bloated.

Re:Cause of the Hardware Demands? (3, Insightful)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660713)

And why are the hardware demands so high

This is great marketing here! He doesn't say the 360 isn't powerful enough or anything like that just "by virtue of their design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on Xbox 360.". So they've designed our games to run on cell processors.. the 360 doesn't have a cell processor... so it just won't work on a 360. And the way they say it makes one assume the 360 doesn't have the power the PS3 does even though he said no such thing.

Here's my version ;-) The original Pong, by virtue of its design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on a PS3.

Re:Cause of the Hardware Demands? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15660958)

The edges in a HD version of the original Pong would looks pretty slick though.

Re:Cause of the Hardware Demands? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15661102)

No kidding. The anti-aliasing on those right angles would look amazing!

Re:Cause of the Hardware Demands? (1)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660728)

The games for the PS3 will cost $80 -- the 360 just can't handle games that cost that much. I hear they're working on a new version of pong for the PS3 to take advantage of the advanced hardware -- rumor has it that the paddles will move in 4 dimensions (standard 3 spatial dimensions and the 4th dimension of TIME ITSELF!), the ball will have a real-life physics engine, the game will read your mind to play the song you're thinking of in 7.1 surround sound just to you (supports up to 4 different songs simultaneously)... and while it does all this it will also communicate with a satellite to scratch your ass from space.

Re:Cause of the Hardware Demands? (1)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660764)

"the game will read your mind to play the song you're thinking of in 7.1 surround sound just to you (supports up to 4 different songs simultaneously)"
And automatically bill you a licensing fee for each and every performance of the song! Brilliant!

Re:Cause of the Hardware Demands? (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660990)

I'm betting it's just the 64MB limitation of the smallest 360 memory card on a 360 Core system.

Re:Cause of the Hardware Demands? (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661178)

Actually, when I read that comment, I translated it as "we have games that require the tilt sensetivity of the DualShake." In other words, they're designed to the PS3 controller's "unique" functions, and can't be ported to the XBox360 because the XBox360's controller doesn't support the same things the PS3's DualShake does.

Notice how they never said they couldn't be ported to the Wii...

Although, if the PS3 has a free dev-kit for creating these downloadable games, that might be about the only thing that could make me actually excited about purchasing one.

Re:Cause of the Hardware Demands? (1)

Jerf (17166) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661269)

And why are the hardware demands so high? Is it because the games are that much cooler?

It's because the PS3 is so fast, it can complete an infinite loop in under a second. This allows them to do some amazing things with the graphics that the XBox360 is far too slow to accomplish.

(Old joke, old joke...)

Re:Cause of the Hardware Demands? (3, Interesting)

vga_init (589198) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662451)

And why are the hardware demands so high? Is it because the games are that much cooler? Or because the programmers suck? Reminds me of the reason why Windows Vista's Hardware requirements are so bloated.

It makes me pine for the good old days of DOS gaming when developers squeezed the hardware for every last ounce of performance they could get, which required good design, clever/efficient algorithms, and even bits of human-optimized assembler. We pushed the machines until they wouldn't go any further.

I'm not a Nintendo fanboy, but I'm afraid that I'm about to become one; I've noticed that Nintendo tends to go this design route more often than the competition (ie attempting to fully utilize meager hardware). In fact, if you inspect their current and next gen offerings, you'll discover that the machines have a bit fewer resources than the competition. For example, compare the DS and Sony PSP. Sony's device is overpowering by far in terms of hardware resources, but I read lots of complaints that the games are bloated and slow. :(

What about the children? (3, Interesting)

BBlinkk (985908) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660652)

With states like oklahoma passing laws against selling violent games to children... they might have a problem on their hands with age verification. Or maybe they wont be able to sell games with lots of violence online, crippling them back down to the simple games of xbox live arcade.

Re:What about the children? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15660685)

germany has really tough laws in place concerning violent games (and movies, for that matter), but still valve can operate their steam-platform here. i think the thing is that once you are old enough to own a credit card 18, you're old enough to buy every content you wish (at least here in germany, where you can do everything at 18....not 21 as in the US of A)

Re:What about the children? (1)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661049)

With states like oklahoma passing laws against selling violent games to children... they might have a problem on their hands with age verification. Or maybe they wont be able to sell games with lots of violence online, crippling them back down to the simple games of xbox live arcade.

Credit Cards have an age verification system that has been in use for years. That's probably how they will find out if the buyer is 18 or not. That's assuming the laws aren't overturned on constitutional grounds.

Wooo (2, Interesting)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660655)

Am I the only one who refuses to pay a subscription so that I have the privlage of paying for additonal content? If Sony makes the service itself free of cost than I might consider it, but if they chose the Xbox live model forget about it. On a side note, are there any decent games on the 360 yet, or is it faring as well as the Xbox did in that regard? (I may be in the monority here but I do not care for sport "sims", racers and console speed FPSes) The biggest thing I fear in the gaming industry is Microsoft killing inovation by flooding the market with focus group tested "sure thing" products.

Re:Wooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15660677)

"Am I the only one who refuses to pay a subscription so that I have the privlage of paying for additonal content? "

You do not have to pay for a Live Silver account and you can download everything just fine.

Re:Wooo (2)

dook43 (660162) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660797)

You do not need to pay for a Live subscription in order to use the XBL Arcade. The paid Live subscriptions are intended for multiplayer gameplay.

Re:Wooo (5, Insightful)

Morinaga (857587) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660920)

You do not need the paid gold account to download new content like Arcade games. Gold membership gets you in the door for on-line play with the games you have. Less than $5 per month is a small price to pay to be on Microsoft servers with players that are held responsible for their behavior be it cheating, abuse etc...

Now from what I understand Sony will use basically the PC structure of on-line play via a ad-hoc type of network. This absolves Sony of significant infrastructure management but invites all kinds of problems in terms of quality control. Game developers are always touting about the fixed hardware set for consoles and how that helps them on maximizing performance and hitting deadlines because they can avoid the moving goal posts of PC gaming. I'm not sure how Sony will structure this network (no one does apparently) but you would think developers will be less than thrilled with implementing their own on-line connectivity solutions, ala Gamespy interfaces and the like.

As to your side note, yes there are decent games on the 360. Oblivion is quite good. You have a very narrow definition of what you care for apparently. You don't like sports games, racing games nor "console speed FPSes"[sic]. I'm not quite sure what you mean by FPS in that statement but then again, I'm not sure what genre you do like. It would be easier if you stated what games you do like instead of those you don't and I'm sure you could receive some more meaningful feedback (if that's what you're interested in).

I'm not sure what this fear is you describe with Microsoft killing innovation. Are you suggesting that Microsoft suppresses quality games by developers out of some desire to only release popular titles? If anything I think Microsoft has taken very large steps towards helping Indy developers and smaller publishers with their digital distribution over Xbox Live and their willingness to deliver bandwidth for free trial downloads of this content. Try a friend's 360 and test drive "Wik" from the Arcade. This is no main stream blockbuster title but it's innovative and fun. Big brother really isn't out to get you. Microsoft wants to make money and they do that by delivering products that the public wants to purchase. You want to blame them for delivering popular content, I applaud them. I also give them credit for establishing a medium and pricing venue that allows the smaller segment of the market to get a shot.

Re:Wooo (1)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661195)

First, thank you for responding to my whole post. (as others pointed out I didn't realize XBL silver has the same downloadable content)

Second, I will admit to being picky about my games (I don't really see it as a bad thing) here is a list of games I do like:

1. City of Heroes. (the only MMO I have ever returned to)
2. Metal Gear Solid 1-3. (MGS 4 is a big deal for me)
3. Zone of the Enders: The Second Runner. (never played the first one)
4. Shadow of the Collosus.
5. Grand Theft Auto 3 and so on. (finally sims that don't feel like work all the time... and I get a kick out of the free gameplay more than the violence)
6. Quake 4. (on the PC, this is what I mean by FPS (first person shooter). I just can't get into shooters on the console (like Halo) I grew up with fast paced sci-fi PC shooters and I guess that is what I like)
7. Puzzle Fighter. (It was made as a joke but it is a great puzzle game)
8. Mario 64 DS. (never really got into it on the N64 but it makes a good portable time waster.)

Basicaly I tend to like games with a combination of inovative gameplay and an engaging story, (granted, what people find engaging is subjective) I tend to focus less on dificulty and/or finding a nearly identical game to fill a craving for "new content" like what has drivven the endless WW2 shooters to market.

I have never been a huge fan of fantasy games so I have not tried Oblivion... I hear it is a good addition to the Morrowind series. This is part of the reason I don't list any Japanese style RPGs as well.

As for my opinions on Microsoft... well... I may be a bit harsh but there where quite a few games in the sprit of DOA: Extreme Beach Vollyball, and Outlaw Golf filling the Xbox lineup and if that is what people want to buy more power to them. On the other hand, if that is what the future of console gameing holds then I will have to spend my money somwhere else.

Re:Wooo (1)

radish (98371) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662474)

Obvious 360 games which spring to mind that you might enjoy include:

Tomb Raider
Saints Row (out soon) which is a sandbox game in a similar vein to GTA3 (GTA4 will be on 360 as well)
The (many) puzzle games on XBLA

There's nothing quite like MGS, but there are a few "thinking shooters" coming along.

Re:Wooo (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661509)

That sounds fine, if you want to play against people online. What if you don't? Then you have to pay ~$5/mo just in case something may be released for your game. That's like Licensing 6.0 and not getting a new release within your time frame. And if you paid for the game, that money went to fund the development of the expansions, yet you can't have the expansion unless you pay to access the server for online gaming whether or not you even want to play multiplayer.

Re:Wooo (2, Informative)

AlphaDecay (150156) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661531)

You don't have to pay for the Live! service if all you want to do is download content/patches/videos/demos or whatever. The only time you have to pay is if you want to play multiplayer.

Re:Wooo (3, Interesting)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661893)

Less than $5 per month is a small price to pay to be on Microsoft servers with players that are held responsible for their behavior be it cheating, abuse etc...

Except for, you know, Halo 2. Players host on that game.

Re:Wooo (1)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661054)

Well if you don't play sports sims, racers and FPSes, what the hell else is there to play online? An MMORPG?

You can even play joust (old school) online with XBL.

The best games for XBL 360 so far are COD2 and Chromehounds. Both excellent games with excellent online support. It appears that Chromehounds will soon be a very popular online game (Released on Jul 11th).

Well, duh. (4, Insightful)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660658)

'Some of our [digitally distributed first-party] games, by virtue of their design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on Xbox 360.'"
You could say the same of any Sony game that's written for the proprietary hardware. You can't "simply" run a Speak-and-Spell, Tiger handheld, NES cartridge, Betamax tape, or deck of pinochle cards on XBox 360 either.

Re:Well, duh. (1)

MalusCaelestis (172079) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660706)

That sounds like a challenge to me!

Re:Well, duh. (1)

BecomingLumberg (949374) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660748)

I'll send you a sixer of your favorite beer (under $20) if you can figure out the pinochle cards.

Re:Well, duh. (1)

MalusCaelestis (172079) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660870)

Let me rephrase:

"To me, that sounded like a challenge."

I'm lazy, so I meant it sounded like a challenge... to someone else.

Re:Well, duh. (1)

timster (32400) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661031)

Well, I'll take you up on this. The XBox 360 is honestly an incredibly poor platform for pinochle, but a cluster might be up to the job. You'd probably need at least twenty, and lots of high-quality duct tape, and perhaps some cinder blocks for auxillary support. I don't really think it would be a very good pinochle experience, but it might have some hack value.

Re:Well, duh. (1)

BecomingLumberg (949374) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661142)

I imagine that this would certainly be a beowulf cluster.

Re:Well, duh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15660752)

"proprietary hardware", no shit. Ever seen non-proprietary hardware?

Buying One? (1)

Conception (212279) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660680)

I've heard a lot of people have given up on buying the PS3 for many reasons. Does anyone care about the PS3 still? Is anyone on Slashdot still excited about its launch? I'm actually curious if someone here, at the least, is all hyped to pick one up still.

Re:Buying One? (2, Informative)

Sinryc (834433) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661018)

Oh come on. People say that, but the PS3 will still sell millions. You all know it.

Re:Buying One? (1)

Nossie (753694) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661144)

maybe true... but his question was to the /. readers not joe six pack and the others that will buy sony because its PlayStation.. not because its a good console.

I've been kinda wondering myself... the consensus for me is that most of you will maybe buy a wii and possibly a 360 when/if they are cheap enough.

But I see few if not none of the Sony PS2 fan-boys out bashing the other consoles like they did the gamecube.

have they simply matured since the Sega Nintendo 'blood and gore' battles ? or are they themselves rather worried with the continual depressing news and comments about Sony's next generation console?

Re:Buying One? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15662877)

I've already pre-ordered one myself. With it coming with GNU/Linux I can't wait, plus Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII look great, and then there is news of a new wipeout, hopefully they can get it to the quality of Wipeout 2097 (I think that's XL in America), the wipeout on PS2 was horrible unfortunately.

I think I'll probably also grab a Nintendo Wii, but I'll avoid the xbox, they seem to only really be popular in America anyway, I guess it's some kind of patriotic support Microsoft the good American company thing.

This post is probably flamebait! (1)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662952)

Sure! I'll give you 10 good reasons!

1. My gf doesn't like me gaming on my PC because its anti-social.

2. I don't allow M$ anything in my house, and the sony drm thing didn't affect me as I run linux for everything!

3. I like playing video games!

4. I don't really like Mario.

5. The ps3 will run linux!!

6. Sony have good internal developers (studio liverpool etc), and will always have good 3rd party support. Namco, Squnix, EA etc have supported sony for years.

7. I'm gonna buy HD movies for my HD TV!

8. If I buy an x360, I will have to upgrade in 2 years time.

9. Its really only 20% more than I paid for my ps2 initially.

10. I've run out. Is bragging rights a good reason? Probably not.

Granted it is a little steep. Give it a year and it will come down considerably.

Translation (3, Insightful)

mtxf (948276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660688)

"Some of our games, by virtue of their design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on Xbox 360"

Im pretty sure this is just refering to the motion sensing which sony built into the control in a late attempt to jump onto the ninetendo bandwagon. it doesnt say that the xbox is incapable of running the game due to lack of resources such as cpu, mem etc

so sure, these games couldnt work on the xbox, but will xbox (& wii) owners really be missing much....? (especially when you look at price comparisons/value for money)

Re:Translation (0, Troll)

UberMench (906076) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660789)

I keep hearing everyone talk about price comparisons for Xbox 360 and PS3, and everyone seems to be overlooking the fact that for the 360 to be "complete" in a way that is close to PS3 you have to pay more money for the HD-DVD drive that will not play games (look for about $100 minimum) the WiFi adapter (tack on another $50), not to mention needing to buy the premium system just to get a hard drive at all. After all that, the 360 hardware is still far less powerful and doesn't have nearly the functionality. And by my calculation that brings 360 cost to around $650. So, let's not talk price as a main argument, please.

Re:Translation (1)

mtxf (948276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660840)

i also said "value for money"

this is currently what sony have to offer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZYMxpcYrYZE [youtube.com]

so unless they get their act together, the xbox is by far a clear winner



(laugh, its funny)

Re:Translation (1)

UberMench (906076) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661194)

It doesn't make any sense to say that Sony has to get it's act together because Xbox has better software when the PS3 hasn't even launched yet. Basing your opinions of PS3 on demos is just irresponsible. And some Xbox fanboy's edit of the e3 press conference is not really a great media source for predicting the success of PS3.

Re:Translation (1)

F_Scentura (250214) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661200)

"Im pretty sure this is just refering to the motion sensing which sony built into the control in a late attempt to jump onto the ninetendo bandwagon."

They would have out and said it in that case, this is just a sad example of "it's not a bug, it's a FEATURE" marketing polish.

XBLA? I would have thought NINTENDO. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15660691)

Nintendo's Virtual Console is obviously gonna be the one to beat in terms of online legacy game purchasing.

And come on. Legacy first-party Sony games? Every 1st party Sony-published game I can think of either weren't that hot, or they eventually showed up on the PS2 with the exact same gameplay, but better graphics. Yeah, can't wait to play Gran Turismo 1; I'm sure it held up well.

Sony picking on XBLA is like a 10-year old provoking a fistfight with a toddler.

Sounds Very Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15660712)

Both Nintendo and Sony look like they are going to have killer online support for their consoles. Nintendo doesn't sound to be trying to be as ambitious as all the stuff Sony is doing.

And both of Sony and Nintendo's online are free. Very,very cool.

Microsoft is going to have to scramble to keep up. Right now they have at 50 dollar a year online system that has less features. That 50 dollars a years adds up to 200 to 250 dollars extra you have to add to the price of the console over four to five years. Ouch! Microsoft is going to have to drop that 50 dollars if they want to stay competitive.

Killer app is no good if the hardware is dead! (3, Insightful)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660729)

... Xbox Live Arcade 'killer' ...

Maybe they should worry about the price of their hardware killing the market before going on sale first?

Is this not canned yet? (0, Flamebait)

cliffski (65094) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660827)

Everytime I hear talk of The PS3 it seems like another nail in its coffin. Does ANYONE know ANYONE who is going to buy this overpriced thing?

Re:Is this not canned yet? (1)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660860)

My cousin will probably buy it but that's cause him and his 4 roommates always buy things together
examples: they get a $2000 plasma tv, each only pays $500
they get HBO & Showtime and split the bill
i'm sure they'll buy PS3 and split the cost (it's like each of them only buying 1 video game console!)

Re:Is this not canned yet? (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660957)

HBO and showtime makes sense (its consumed monthly), but if any of them move out how do they split a TV back up? Legally it belongs 1/4 to each of them.

Re:Is this not canned yet? (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660985)

i vote hacksaw.... or a sawsall.. be sure to post the video

Re:Is this not canned yet? (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661100)

My roommates and I bought the PS2 when it came out. We put our names into a hat at the end of the year and the winner was allowed to buy it at the current used price at the games shops split six ways (one part back to himself so he wasn't overpaying). I didn't have the money. That and I didn't care. Back then the PS2 still had mostly crap for games.

Re:Is this not canned yet? (1)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661403)

To be honest I don't think it will end up in 1 piece. They typically break everything they buy too, for example, somebody punches the TV and it falls off the stand, or they're wrestling and somebody sits on the gaming console. I wouldn't worry too much about them trying to figure out how to split it, cause it'll probably already be in several pieces.

Yeah, jeez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15661086)

How has Sony not noticed yet that they've lost the console wars? Do they just not read Slashdot or something?

E-Distrobution and Console Generation Trends (4, Interesting)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660883)

Many may question why they would care to Distribute first party games through electronic means after going through the trouble of implimenting Blue Ray for 'increased space for better, more involved games that you could get on other formats.' Some may even question pledging support for E-distro of these games with the sizes of harddrives their offering. Well I for one do not question them, it makes perfect sense from the point of view of historic trends and buisness. Unfortunatly for us, the reasoning is pure evil.

About the time of the 32-bit battles, an old trend began resurfacing in a new form; Forced Competition Development Denial (FCDD.) FCDD was easiest illustrated by Nintendo's NES. They choked off development for other consoles (namely the Sega Master System) by forcing developers to choose; in this case by having them sign contracts preventing them. That was killed in the courts and for the 16-bit console wars, FCDD didn't happen; the only denial of competition was from sales, loyalty, and popularity (oh, and who bring the $$.) From that, you had relativly similar cross platform offering and much less exclusivity.

In the lastest Generations, however, FCDD has resurfaced in a more diabolical, more legal form. By creating hardware and formats incompatible with their competition (as in Sega Saturns multiprocessor setup, 64's cartrige format) forcing developers to strech their resources to support them all. It is in the developer's best (buisness) interest to develope a game for as many platforms as its resources will allow without impacting the game's quality in a way that it will hurt overall sales. As new competition enters the console game, the developers are already becoming streched naturally. The FCDD tactic takes this further by increasing the resources the developer must devote to developing for a particular system; stealing those resources from other consoles and hopefully costing the developer to drop support for a competitor. In this generation FCDD is hitting a high mark, especially between Sony and Nintendo (Microsoft is guilty too, they just hide it well.) Nintendo's controller will require a different devotion of resources, namely creative input, to 'port' games successfully without disappointing. Sony has an unholy FCDD armament in the form of their Cell processor. This octopus of a processor is built in such a devious way that multi-threading in their programming is almost impossible to avoid; complicating the development process.

E-Distro is a huge next step. Not only is it on their format tailored for their hardware, Sony manages to monopolize the entire game development by forcing the developer to integrate Sony into every level of the game; it would become a nightmare for developers to to go cross platform (especially if they are targeting indy and small time developers, who have notoriously small budgets.) Don't expect games released by E-distro on Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft to be appearing on any where else. And that, unfortunatly, is the point.



On another note, FCDD is a risky tactic for any developer. Increasing resource costs can also force developers to reconsider developing for the FCDD console itself. FCDD practictioners need to put more reliance on brand popularity (which Sony seems to rely a lot on) and really sell the FCDD hardware as "superior choices" if it's going to really win those ever important developer games. Jaguar and Saturn are two good examples of consoles that (inpart) failed because of a backfire of their FCDD tactic. Don't let Sony's focus on 'first party games' in the article fool you, this is all about the 3rd party developers; lower distribution costs for their own titles is just a happy bonus.

Re:E-Distrobution and Console Generation Trends (1)

Metroid72 (654017) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661203)

Right on!

Where are mod points when you need them?
I just think about a perfect example. Although innovative, the Nintendo DS dual screen setup + touch screen serves this purpose in the portable scene.
The interesting question is, to what extent is creativity and risk taking limited when creating a game just because of this?

For example, I may have a hot franchise in my hands (e.g. pirates of the caribbean), I could actually write a DS game that mixed action, aventure and RPG elements and fully utilized the DS's touch screen (to mark spots on the map, provide stats), the microphone to sove puzzles, etc. But at the same time, I can't do all that on the PSP, cutting my potential market.

The safe bet (makes more business sense), is to keep the game to the bare miminimum common denominators (limited use of polygons, maybe online connectivity) so I can port this to both platforms - But... this makes less sense for the consumer.

Big dilema, considering limited resources (budget, developer time, time to market, etc.)

Re:E-Distrobution and Console Generation Trends (1)

Glacial Wanderer (962045) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661402)

So your point is what? Is it that all consoles should be identical so they can all play all the games? What would be the point of having three manufactures if they all made the same console? I prefer choice even if that means I can't play every game on every console.

Re:E-Distrobution and Console Generation Trends (1)

Metroid72 (654017) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661565)

The point is to illustrate how FCDD can be a pain for both the gamer and the developer.

It's funny that you mention it, but the idea of a universal console standard is not new (It was tried once by Pioneer). A standard will make the console a commodity and development costs will go down (along with developer salaries).

However, who wants to do that???? remember that companies are in to make money, and licensing is very profitable.

R.P

P.S: I guess console wars would be over too. Then it would be development house wars only.

Re:E-Distrobution and Console Generation Trends (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662873)

There is a standard for gaming, it's called PC/Windows/DirectX. It's somewhat cheaper, especially if you only upgrade your rig about as often as the consoles cycle. Of course, if you want to play all of the latest games in all their glory, you'll have to upgrade more often and at an increased price.

You'll also have to deal with a lot more driver issues, and game patches. On the upside, you'll probably get to play with a lot of cool free mods and easily mess with the game files if that's your thing.

But then again, you'll most likely be stuck with a keyboard and a mouse as the primary input devices until the end of time, because that's the lowest denominator, and it's unlikely to change with the system being commoditized. It's not a bad system, but it's not always the best either.

The commoditization of PC's made sense, mostly because of their non-gaming purposes. Gaming just sort of followed along with that(A giant OS monopoly certainly helped). A universal console standard would just squash out the already rare innovation.

Counting chickens before they're hatched (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660912)

I think people are being a bit too harsh on Sony. Granted, my hopes aren't high for the PS3 (what we've seen so far doesn't impress much), but until there is some actual hardware in the field we won't know how badly it will suck. There's always the chance that Sony pulls a rabbit out of their hat and puts out a stunningly awesome console with a breathtaking lineup of games on launch. There's also the factor that if you're into RPGs or tactical sims, there's a good chance that the 360 won't ever be the machine for you, much like the original X-Box. The Wii looked great at E3, but there's always the chance that the Wiimote won't work as well in your home as it does on the demo floor.

The speculation is seriously overheated at the moment. I'm saying that many of you need to calm down and wait for the machine to actually be released. I give Sony maybe a 5 or 10% chance of putting out something I'll actually want to buy at this point, but that's still above 0.

Don't you just hate... (4, Insightful)

Gadzinka (256729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15660970)

...execs boasting about superiority and features of non-existing products? "Our product will be 31% nicer and 73.6% more cool; it will be so cool, that software for our product couldn't even run on competition's product!"

Geez... Like kids in kindergarten. Just release the frelling product and we'll see for ourselves.

Robert

And i dont really see any reason for boasting (1)

Programmer_In_Traini (566499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661134)

I dont really see what sony's execs have to boast about. Other than the fact that they've successfully brought the PS3 from "Most Anticipated" to "Most Anticipated Failure"...

damn you sony, you've killed the ps.

Re:Don't you just hate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15661482)

Why wait? Hundreds of devoted geeks have already formed an opinion of a console they haven't even seen in real life, and are preaching about it incessantly on Slashdot and other forums.

Re:Don't you just hate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15662784)

Yeah, fuck J Allard, Peter Moore, and Major Nelson......

Oh wait I forgot where I am posting, LONG LIVE J Allard, Peter Moore, and Major Nelson! Allard is sooo cool with his trash-talking attitude that is a hit with us REAL fans, Major Nelson knows everything about the PS3(he told me so on his blog, said the hardware sux & obviously he knows his PS3 hardware), and OMG Peter Moore is a cool Marketer with a HALO TATTOO!!!!1!!

The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one... (1)

Icepole4 (978286) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661045)

I guess I may be in the minority but I plan to purchase the PS3 and am really looking forward to it. Sony has made some "missteps" in their marketing approach but ultimately the games will decide. For me, a non-PC gamer who is over Nintendo, the PS3 suits me. I own a HDTV and I have the means to afford it. Even if the PS3 itself sucks, it can still play some of the great PS2 games I own and upcoming PS2 titles that shouldn't disappoint, I can buy HD movies and watch until a winner in the format war is chosen. I could wait but I am a notorius early adopter. Vaporware: As far a vaporware, there were working PS3's casing and all, not dev kits, at E3 this year. They were in those back rooms that are reserved for industry insiders. If you search the net enough you can find some video. As a matter of fact production is expected to begin the end of July. Graphics: Having played all the systems at E3 and elsewhere, there is a noticeable difference between the Wii and the 360 and PS3 (not surprisingly). The PS3 and 360 are pretty close. IMO the PS3 looks cleaner and has more detail. That may sound like there is not big difference but when you consider that the 360 is on 2nd gen titles while the PS3 is running unfinished ones, I would say at the end of the day the gap is going to be very wide and very noticeable.

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (1, Insightful)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661123)

Why is it that every comment you've posted with your account is a defense of Sony's practices? Frankly, at this point, it doesn't look like the PS3 will even compete in the marketplace. If that is the case, the games are going to be few and far between. The best that Sony and you can hope for is that the PS3 carves out a nice chunk of the market (nowhere near the dominance that was enjoyed with the PS2).

Given that it's probably not going to be The Platform, I'd rather not support the company that was at the heart of the whole rootkit fiasco. Sony's treated their customers like criminals in the past. Those who go back for more, in my opinion, are encouraging that type of behavior.

I'll be buying a Wii.

And stating that you have "the means to afford it" just makes it look like you don't actually have the means to afford a PS3 (and will be having your parents buy it for you) and that you don't understand the value of money. I can afford a PS3. I can afford plenty of things. Just because you can afford it, doesn't mean you should buy it. Tampons are priced to move but I have no use for them just as I have no use for a PS3.

And what do you mean by "I'm over Nintendo"?

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (2, Insightful)

Icepole4 (978286) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661479)

My comments are in support of PS3 because I am level headed. Every company does the same stuff, Nintendo, Apple, MS, etc...they are no different. They all chase the almighty dollar is the same ways. It just so happens that Sony is the whipping boy of the moment. Everybody screams rootkit, proprietary hardware/software, etc... when it comes to Sony. They have all done the same (Windows, cartridges, the ipod itself) so what makes Sony so evil? For some insight read the reply on FCDD. Am I a Sony fan, yep. Fanboy, nope. I like all electronics, As I said I am a early adopter of all things digital, and to me the PS3 is very exciting. I am over Nintendo because I have owned every piece of hardware they have every produced, from the original NES to the Virutal Boy. I personally have no desire buy their products anymore I'm over it, but that is MY preference. What you choose to do with your money is your right. As far as the means to afford it comment, that was just to highlight the high cost of the system not my own personal wealth. I will refrain from stating that I can afford something from now on as not to offend those over 30 still living in their parents basements, playing MMOG's all day, posting on slashdot to make up for their lack of female interaction. If I have offended your people I apologize.

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15661750)

Quite frankly, you are obviously a shill. You're not a fanboy, and you may likely not even be a fan, you're just astroturfing for Sony, likely for money. There are Penny Arcade comics that would be relevant here, but at the moment I'm not going to bother looking through their archives to dig up one.

Only a few people are angry at Sony due to the rootkit thing (which is really unlike anything that most other companies have done). Most are angry because Sony's ego has swelled beyond logic, the PS3 is hideously overpriced, and there are no compelling reasons to get one rather than an Xbox 360, a Wii, and a few games at the same time.

Furthermore, you say you're "over" Nintendo -- whatever the hell that's supposed to mean -- and the only argument you have to back that up is.. you've bought all of their previous hardware? Your logic isn't even connecting. Are Sony's shills so hard-pressed for something bad to say about Nintendo that they'll say you don't need a Wii just because you've bought hardware from Nintendo in the past? Give me a break.

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (0, Flamebait)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662333)

"As far as the means to afford it comment, that was just to highlight the high cost of the system not my own personal wealth. I will refrain from stating that I can afford something from now on as not to offend those over 30 still living in their parents basements, playing MMOG's all day, posting on slashdot to make up for their lack of female interaction. If I have offended your people I apologize."
Pathetic trolling attempt. When you decide you want to have a discussion, learn to use the language properly and drop the insults. Until then you are nothing but a corporate shill to me.

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (1)

Icepole4 (978286) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662866)

Ha, ha, you and anonymous above are hilarious. So I am a Sony plant paid to troll message boards and talk up the PS3. So what does that make 95% of the people screaming how the Wii is so great and how much Sony sucks? At least by your assertion I am getting paid for my undying loyalty. I merely stated in my initial post my feelings on of what I have experienced first hand. It's become cool to bash Sony, everywhere you look, Sony sucks, PS3 DOA...and anybody who disagrees is obviously an idiot or a "plant" to talk up Sony. As I have played all 3 systems I was only offering my opinion. Which I think is more than I can say for many who have taken a side. I think the Wii, 360, and PS3 all have their merits, but this gen my money is going toward a PS3. Not because any of them "suck", but my personal preference this time around is a PS3. I have been a loyal Nintendo consumer since a kid, but I feel like I have outgrown them so to speak. TO ME, the games don't interest me as much and I play my Xbox and PS2 a lot more. So this time around I am going with one console. As for the insult it was a mere response to your jab about my financial situation. I will refrain from hurting your feelings any farther...all hail (A)*(B)!0 King of slashdot and hater of all OPINIONS different from his own. I bow before thee in contrition...feel better?

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (1)

Indes (323481) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661570)

"I can afford plenty of things. Just because you can afford it, doesn't mean you should buy it. Tampons are priced to move but I have no use for them just as I have no use for a PS3."
True, just because you CAN afford it doesn't mean you should buy it, however....

Buying tampons as a male would probably be a pretty inefficient use of money anyway. Its spending on something you get nothing (usable) in return for.. (Like buying Windows from Microsoft?)

AND There is a market for all higher end products. Why buy a BMW when you can afford a cheaper GM? Why buy a designer shirt when you can go to Wal-Mart...

Personally, I don't want to be seen driving a k-car in my wal-mart suit, walking around in flip-flops just because I _should_ buy something cheaper.. but then again, why make a choice on buying something before seeing all the alternatives and weighing out your options..??

The PS3 isn't even out yet. Theres no way to say if its going to be worth the extra money or not until you can actually see a product.. You wouldn't buy a car or shirt based on specifications, would you? Usually you take a test drive, or try it on...

  Thanks to slashdot, I'm starting to see how companies are getting away with selling you absolute crap -- you people choose to buy it before it hits the store shelf..

Donated hardware; PSP demo units (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661668)

Its spending on something you get nothing (usable) in return for.. (Like buying Windows from Microsoft?)

Bad example? Buying into the Windows platform gives you access to device drivers for hardware that family members (if you are an individual) or businesses looking for a tax break (if you are a non-profit organization) donate to you. If they donate more Windows-compatible hardware than FreeBSD-compatible hardware, then Windows is the obvious choice over FreeBSD.

You wouldn't buy a car or shirt based on specifications, would you? Usually you take a test drive, or try it on...

And this is part of why the PSP isn't selling worth a ****. It took a year to get demo units out anywhere in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and they're still not in Wal-Mart stores yet, and the games running on Best Buy demo units seem to be in genres of limited appeal. They'd sell a lot more PSPs if they loaded Lumines and GripShift onto the demo units than what they are loading.

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (1)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662308)

"The PS3 isn't even out yet. Theres no way to say if its going to be worth the extra money or not until you can actually see a product.. You wouldn't buy a car or shirt based on specifications, would you? Usually you take a test drive, or try it on..."
My point was merely that there is a difference between being able to afford something and seeing the need to buy it. The poster who I was responding to seemed to be implying that because he/she can afford the PS3, that was a reason to buy it.

"Thanks to slashdot, I'm starting to see how companies are getting away with selling you absolute crap -- you people choose to buy it before it hits the store shelf.."
Why do you direct that as a reply to me? I've decided not to buy a PS3 because I believe it is overpriced for a video game console and I do not like Sony's corporate practices.

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662892)

Looks like the Sony shills are moderating today as well as making their pathetic comments. I hope somone will correct this by modding the parent of this post up!!

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661561)

Ok, E-Distribution may help for smaller games, but I fail to see the logic of having a 25-50 gig blu-ray capacity, and a 25-60 gig hard drive. They do run contradictory to eachother. Hopefully E-Distribution will help kill the greatest issue I have with Current gaming; Load screens. Maybe Gamers will finally wake up, and get used to the idea of a game not 'jerking you out of the game' to load the next portion of a level. That's why I own every current system, and play the Playstation 2 the least, and ironically the GameCube the most.

Hell I just stopped playing Half Life 2 for X-box because of the frustrating frequency of the game stopping to load. The world is pretty, and the positional sound is a great touch (sounds killer on my sound system), and very useful in game, but when the same chapter has 37 different points where it stops all progress just to load, the next 'part of the level' then I'm done. I am less interesting in Sony's Cell technology or the Capacity of Blu-Ray disks than I am to the Read spead of the Blu-Ray drive.

If "NextGen" still has load screens then it fails.

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (1)

jizziknight (976750) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662531)

I agree. I never did like the loading screens. However, if done right, they can be (nearly) seemless. Take the Metroid games for the GC. Major loading happens when you ride an elevator to a new area, but you don't really notice it that much, since you're riding the elevator and in reality, it should take some time for you to get there. Some minor loading happens just before you open a door to a new room, and sometimes, the game is really good a predicting which door you'll open and preloads that room. The most you ever see is a slight delay before the door opens. And let's not forget the painfully slow load times on the PS1 and PS2.

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (2, Interesting)

radish (98371) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662535)

Even if the PS3 itself sucks, it can still play some of the great PS2 games I own and upcoming PS2 titles that shouldn't disappoint

So you've just replaced your $100 PS2 with a $600 PS3? Genius!!

Vaporware: As far a vaporware, there were working PS3's casing and all, not dev kits, at E3 this year. They were in those back rooms that are reserved for industry insiders

Interesting - I didn't see any. Sega didn't have any. They were just in the Sony booth? So they had what - 4 or 5 units? That's just an engineer spending a couple of days cramming a dev kit in a plastic box.

IMO the PS3 looks cleaner and has more detail. That may sound like there is not big difference but when you consider that the 360 is on 2nd gen titles while the PS3 is running unfinished ones, I would say at the end of the day the gap is going to be very wide and very noticeable.


The 360 wasn't really on 2nd gen games at E3, there was a big drought in new releases after Christmas. Given also that the PS3 demos were just that, demos, not full games (ask a Forza developer what they think of the GT-HD "demo" if you want a laugh).

I'll wait and see what Sony can come up with, but so far I'm unimpressed.

I own a HDTV and I have the means to afford it

Me too. Isn't it great? Any particular reason you haven't spent the last 6 months playing HD games then? If you're so rich why not buy all 3 consoles?

Re:The PS3 is not Vapor, and yes I plan to buy one (2)

Icepole4 (978286) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662967)

So you've just replaced your $100 PS2 with a $600 PS3? Genius!! "Actually my PS2 was $300" Interesting - I didn't see any. Sega didn't have any. They were just in the Sony booth? So they had what - 4 or 5 units? That's just an engineer spending a couple of days cramming a dev kit in a plastic box. "I can only vouch for what I saw and played" see link below http://reviews.cnet.com/E3_Sony_PlayStation_3/4660 -12331_7-6521287.html [cnet.com] Me too. Isn't it great? Any particular reason you haven't spent the last 6 months playing HD games then? If you're so rich why not buy all 3 consoles? "I bought a 360 on release day and returned it recently. As I wasn't getting much use out of it, since I still play my PS2, XBox, and Gamecube. Any more questions?"

Hight was then... (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661276)

'Some of our [digitally distributed first-party] games, by virtue of their design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on Xbox 360.'
...Hight was then frowned upon by stockholders, and beaten into unconsciousness with socks full of nickels.

Limited audience (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661433)

Isn't offering some games only by distribution over the internet severely limiting your audience? Erecting any barrier of entry will shrink your audience, but internet-only distribution sounds like a bad idea not only because of bandwidth concerns, but because you can't share your game with your friends or sell it on the used games market. Gamers just won't want this.

WiiConnect24 and iTMS (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15661761)

internet-only distribution sounds like a bad idea not only because of bandwidth concerns

What bandwidth concerns? Server-side or residential? Most Nintendo DS games are 16 to 64 megabytes, and even iDSL can easily transfer 64 MB within an hour. PS1- and PSP-class games (ca. 500 MB) could easily fit over a broadband line overnight, and it's a lot cheaper than shipping a disc overnight via FedEx/DHL/UPS. Even with a PS2-class game, the system could download the first level overnight and then subsequent episodes over the next few nights.

but because you can't share your game with your friends or sell it on the used games market. Gamers just won't want this.

You claim that the median gamer won't bow to the digital restrictions management demands of services similar to Xbox Live Arcade. I claim you're likely wrong. Look at iTunes Music Store, and look at the success of Geometry Wars.

Re:WiiConnect24 and iTMS (1)

jZnat (793348) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662083)

You can burn music from iTMS. That's the only argument I've ever heard supporting its success despite DRM.

Time to Get Over The Price Point (1)

PM Guy (944790) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662098)

If Microsoft had initially charged $600 when 360's were trading on ebay for over $1000, they would have made a tidy profit and could have dropped the price by now. Sony would be smart to learn from the Microsoft mistake and price high during the initial demand, then rapidly drop price as demand wanes. This would solidify the perceived value of the PS3 as very high (perhaps higher than the 360) but still enable them to match price down the road. Give Sony some credit guys, they MIGHT actually be thinking ahead from a business standpoint.

Re:Time to Get Over The Price Point (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15662780)

One thing you have to remember is that if you sell a console for one price at launch and then six months later you drop the price then you have just given many early adopters a reason why they shouldn't buy your next system at launch. The reason why Sony has (in the past) averaged between 18-24 months between price drops is to encourage people to purchase their system at the current price (because no price drop is comming).

I may be completely out to lunch, but I suspect that the PS3 will underperform because most consumers purchase their systems at the sub $200 price mark; if you assume it will take 2 price cuts 18 months apart (for $150-$200 per price cut), then it will be november of 2009 before most people are willing to buy their system. By 2009 the console war will be decided.

I'll be watching this closely. (1)

DoctorDyna (828525) | more than 8 years ago | (#15662379)

I think I'll probably end up buying one eventually. However, when will be based on this calculation:

Exactly one revision past the first Blu Ray stand alone player released past PS3's release date.

I've heard from a couple of places that Sony is inflating the price of Blu Ray stand alone players because they want the PS3 to be the cheapest Blu Ray player on the market once it's released. Groovy. Means we should all wait until Sony releases a stand alone Blu Ray player after the release of the PS3. What justification would they have for releasing one more expensive than a PS3? If it stays the cheapest player for 2 months after it's release, then I'll buy one.

It's more than obvious... (2, Interesting)

ciw42 (820892) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663025)

...to most people that Sony have simply got themselves into trouble by spending the past few years designing and developing the most powerful piece of gaming hardware that they could, and are now faced with a market which is not ready for it, or indeed particularly interested. In this round, having the latest, greatest, most powerful thing is not a sure fire way to win market share.

The games industry has seen major changes since they started developing their new baby, and most of those changes do not help Sony at all, so they're in risky territory. So much so, that they've pretty much had to bundle two major products (their latest games console and their play for the future of HD home cinema) into one and hedge their bets, pooling the marketing cash and hoping that the success of one will bring success for the other. It is however as likely that the failure of one will take the other down with it, or certainly hurt it bad.

Right now, they're battling to convince us that the future of gaming is a piece of hardware which is insanely expensive to produce (their initial losses at launch, and for at least the first twelve months will be by far the highest ever for a games console), extremely expensive and troublesome to develop for (leading to higher cost games, just you wait and see) and has some rather risky choices in terms of the hardware - Cell and Blu-Ray - the latter of which could simply fail miserably within a short period of time in the same way as UMD did. I don't think anyone is genuinely convinced by what they're saying though.

I personally don't think the console is anywhere near ready to ship, but Sony are at that shit-or-bust stage, where if they don't release something *very* soon, no matter how buggy the hardware is, or how few titles are available at launch, then they'll not only lose this round of the games console war, but their Blu-Ray format will also be dead on its arse. Rememeber, they need to get the thing out there and in the homes of early adopters right now for Blu-Ray to even have a 50-50 chance of coming out on top of HD-DVD.

The number of confirmed reports of serious perfomance bottlenecks with the hardware, developers tearing their hair out to get the current development kits working properly, and the last minute changes Sony are still making (e.g. adding motion sensing in the controller) all smack of a system roughly a year or more away from release. They're pretty much screwed, and they know it, but there's just no way they can say it.

Their marketing budget is no smaller as a result of all these problems though, and they're doing all they can to convince you that what they have in the PS3, is the future of gaming. Give it a month or so and there'll be glowing, raving previews of the hardware and first batch of games in the lads-mags and newspapers, these will all be paid for of course, and based upon press releases and canned footage rather than the actual console and games. Right now, you can believe the Sony marketing machine or not, but all the indications so far, are that this is looking like it'll be their biggest flop (and they have quite a history of such things) to date. With every Sony press release, the picture gets bleaker, and if they had even the smallest piece of good news right now, you can bet they'd be shouting it from the rooftops.

You may point to the games developers and their respective companies who are being very positive about the new console and its potential, and claim that surely they are in the best position to know what it's all about, but that's only because like Sony, they've invested a lot of time and money into the console and they desperately need it to succeed or face millions in losses. However, at the same time they're hailing it the best thing ever, they themselves are very worried and fearing the worst. And I know that for a fact.
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