EVETV - Sport For Nerds 150
Your grandparents will be watching golf tonight, so why not watch some sports of your own? If golf isn't your thing, then perhaps multi-ton space vessels slamming each other with lasers and missiles might be more entertaining? Virgin Worlds is carrying some details for the riveting EveTV. Today, the channel is in reruns, but tune in anyway to see some matches from the last few days. Footage from ongoing PVP matches in the space MMOG EVE Online will make your Sunday go by much quicker. From the article: "The commentary is just like a traditional sports cast and the fellows calling the matches seem quite knowledgeable not only on the technicals of play, but also the backgrounds of the competitors. If you have an opportunity to check it out, I recommend it. Kudos to CCP for organizing this event."
Everyone isn't just like you. (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't watch sports. (Score:3, Insightful)
If I wanted to do that, I'd go to a net cafe and stand over people's shoulders.
Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. (Score:5, Interesting)
If you haven't or don't play EVE, it might be hard for you to enjoy (unless you just like watching space ships blow each other up
Re:Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. (Score:1, Troll)
So... It's "watching 10 people play EVE."
Wow. That sounds way better. It would be exactly like being the 11th person to show up at a 10-computer LAN party, only you can't talk to the players while you watch them, none of them know you, and the only fridge to raid is your own.
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I played Eve and found it incredibly boring (Score:1, Flamebait)
second battle...yaaaaawwwwnnnnnn..
This is seriously boring, and I don't think it'll be around too long.
Re:I played Eve and found it incredibly boring (Score:2)
Re:I don't watch sports. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I don't watch sports. (Score:4, Interesting)
The sport *I* would like to see would be a normal sport, like football, soccer, or hockey, where the "no drugs" pretense has been dropped, no testing is perormed, and players are encouraged to enhance their performance by any means possible wink wink. A game where all the players are on uppers and going through 'roid rage would make me more interested in the sport.
Re:I don't watch sports. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I don't watch sports. (Score:2)
I think you'd see much more steroid use if that pretense were dropped. Currently our athletes are forced to choose steroids based on their serum trace and the chance of being caught, instead of just choosing the best steroid for the job which should be their ONLY consideration. If everyone is on steroids anyway then as a fan I want my team to be on the best steroids.
Re:I don't watch sports. (Score:1)
That's pretty much what any sport would eventually turn into if you did that. (especially if the point is to witness a "'roid rage")
Re:I don't watch sports. (Score:2)
Re:I don't watch sports. (Score:2)
I hate to be the one to break it to you, this is the sport you *already* watch - the only difference is that the players are also taking masking
Windows-only (Score:2, Informative)
"You have chosen to download EVE_3913_a.exe"
no thanks.
Re:Windows-only (Score:2)
You must have an extremely small game collection if that's your reaction to a Windows game. Don't get me wrong, games are **the only** reason I still have a Windows partition; but I guess I just like computer games too much to stubbornly refuse to use a crappy operating system on principle alone.
Re:Windows-only (Score:3, Informative)
No (Score:3, Interesting)
So you're wondering "big deal, why does that affect things?"
Simple. People for the most part would rather PLAY video games than watch them.
Yes (Score:2)
Re:No (Score:2)
They said the same thing about sports. "What? Broadcast a soccer/football match to nobody in particular and you actually expect people to get enjoyment sitting on their couch for hours watching OTHER people playing it? And that, between plays, we could actually get paid to pitch products to them and they'd enjoy it?"
Re:No (Score:2)
Start up a basketball game in a park, and a few people might sit down on the nearby benches and watch. Hold a little-leage baseball game, and parents will sit in bleachers with video cameras.
So with the rich tradition of people finding enjoyment in watching sports, it was natural that broadcast media would pick it up.
Re:No (Score:2)
What a lousy argument. For how much of "the history of mankind" have videogames existed? That aside, many sports today appeal to large members of the population because they grew up watching them on TV. If videogames ever reach the same kind of critical mass that sports currently has, I doubt it will be much different. We already ha
Re:No (Score:2)
This is mostly untrue. Ever heard of Professional StarCraft players? These guys train every day. Some Professional StarCraft players have over 300APM (actions per minute) [youtube.com]. I guarantee that an average player have no chance of beating these professional players.
Simple. People for the most part would rathe
Re:No (Score:2)
As for the quick shot of what appeared to be maybe 70 people attending the event... It was obviously a convention crowd. Go to any sci-fi or anime convention in Japan, Korea, or the US, and you can get a crowd that big to gather for just about anything. There was a far bigger crowd than that at this year's Anime Expo for the sushi-cooking demonstration.
Re:No (Score:2)
It was boring for you. That doesn't mean it's boring to EVERYONE. The spectators were obviously into the match (there seemed to be much more than 70 btw). If they were just there for a convention, I don't think they would have been cheering the winner with such excitement. I thought the match was really interesting because I used to play starcraft religously when I wa
so we'll never see poker on TV then? (Score:2)
Yet there must be 20 poker shows a week (not counting multiple airings).
Doesn't seem to be stopping DirecTV (Score:1)
From Kotaku [kotaku.com]:
DirectTV and IGN have teamed up with Microsoft and a bunch of other companies to put together a new pro-gaming series that launches next year.
The Championship Gaming Series is a new professional gaming league that will air competitions exclusively on DirectTV.
Now I agree with you - watching people play video games can be atkin to viewing a paint drying contest - but something sees something in it.
Re:No (Score:2)
Once you actually know the games inside and out seeing what the best players are thinking and their little tricks is quite entertaining.
I just saw a match in a game I'd never played and it was great fun to watch.
Re:No (Score:3, Funny)
Your primary demographic for this is a the 18-34 male gamer. DO NOT FORCE YOUR VIEWERS TO SIT THROUGH 9 MINUTES OF COMMENTARY FROM UNATTRACTIVE (sorry guys, just being honest) GUYS!
Man, you think these guys would have learned something from Rocketboom.
Re:No (Score:1)
I'd rahter listen to them on the commentary rather then some chicks with big boobs who know nothing about the game.
Re:No (Score:3, Funny)
Re:No (Score:2)
Re:No (Score:1)
Or X-Play. If you're going to show a bunch of video game stuff, you'll need a woman. Maybe a guy if he's funny. Of course, a friend of mine said Morgan Webb looked like a guy, and since then I've been unable to find her attractive. :mad:
Also, who the hell wants to see a 5 on 5 battle when a 150 person fleet battle would be much more interesting, especially since it would mean I could see a battle between 300 people and not worry a
Re:No (Score:2)
1) lag. noone wants to watch a slideshow.
2) Too big to record effectively. A black screen with a bunch of squares shooting each other isn't exactly dynamic. Too much going on to keep track of too.
Personally, I think that Eve needs a game-state recorder. So that you can replay a fleet battle using the game engine and have full camera control.
Most popular nerd sport (Score:1)
It's better than network shows... (Score:2)
Give it a try. The worst that can happen is you waste a few minutes of your time. Better than watching another episode of Survivor: New Jersey or
Maybe someone can help me (Score:1)
Is this just one of those games that
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:3, Interesting)
Absolutely, in the same sense that Doom, outside of fighting, was just running to the next area and picking up powerups. Perhaps it just caters to players with a longer attention span that want to feel like they are accomplishing something (even if it is in a virtual world) - like every MMORPG.
One of the nice things about EVE is that you can focus almost exclusively on one type of gameplay that you like. Want to mine and build stuff? Go
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:1, Interesting)
Eve has one server for all players. the peak concurrent user count was 26000, in one "shard".
Eve is incredibly complex game, and very well balanced.
well, and these things result in a very good PvP environment.
For features go visit the webpage, because eve has come a long way since its release.
Some Namedropping:
Player built Outposts(spacestations) and smaller strucktures.
ships in all flavors (frigates,cruisers, covert ops, battleships, carriers, logistics, support,transports, mortherships, titan
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:1)
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:1)
Based on the replies, the things I found very dull (mining, trading, building, etc), seem to gain more depth the longer you play the game. The 2 week trial just barely allowed the player to brush the surface of the game. Based on the replies, the way people place EVE reminds me a lot of UO (old UO, pre-Renaissance), it is just the setting is different.
And from being a fan of UO, I can understand it
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:1)
The big selling point and reason that people don't like Eve is that there is a huge amount of depth and not a whole lot of direction after the "primer" tutorial missions. There are no "rails" or path and there is no "winning eve". That said, there are tycoons fixing marke
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:2)
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:2)
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:1, Informative)
The thing about eve is the PVP. It's one of few games that dieing can actually cost you something. Or everything. You can spend your entire eve career never entering PVP. I wouldn't suggest it.
I would suggest getting a few months in the game, and then trying to engage in combat with another player. You won't have a problem finding someone to fight. And when you notice your heart rate going thru the
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:2)
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:2)
Is this just one of those games that
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:1)
UO in Space, that has a nice ring to it.
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:2)
It is more balanced, and deeper. It's, as far as I know, unique amongst mmorpgs in the player-driven content area. The markets are all player-driven. You can build empires out in deep space, and have them shown as your territory. You can claim it from others. You can use strategy, instead of just tactics. Winning and losing matter, it's not just a respawn. Being there for your teammates matters. It's absurd to think of rescuing someone in Wo
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:2)
I played from the start, and quit in approximately a year. For its first year, EVE was a great concept with an utterly crap implementation.
Somehow I decided to give it a second chance, mainly because it seemed to be winning so many awards... It's like a whole different game, and I'm actually having FUN now. The addition of all sorts of new ship classes so as to make the game battleship-dominated has been a huge help.
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:2)
The production chain for some of the more advanced products in Eve (tech2 Heavy Assault Cruisers) for example require 10s of Billions of isk (isk == in game cash) and a variety of parts and pieces sourced from other players across the galaxy.
It would be possible to run a character who never leaves the station, instead using your trading, research, production and retail skills to make a mint with no danger.
Or you could pilot a gigantic f
Re:Maybe someone can help me (Score:2)
Part of the reason this is possible is the community. Generally the feedback from Eve players has a higher signal to noise ratio. Eve requires intelligence to be successful. Stupid people get weeded out very quickly, and
Watching other people play videogames? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Watching other people play videogames? (Score:1)
Re:Watching other people play videogames? (Score:2)
Re:Watching other people play videogames? (Score:2)
If you played soccer all your life, you will probably like to watch the world cup simply because you are impressed by the skill of the best players in the world. Furthermore, by watching a sport at a professional level you might be able to pick up some new moves to try out on the field when you play. This is no
EVE (Score:1, Informative)
EVE is great but it's very difficult to get any kind of enjoyment out of it when you play by yourself. The fun starts when you join an aggressive 0.0 (lawless space) corp. It's beyond me what the
Re:EVE (Score:2)
Re:EVE (Score:2)
Look at the population of empire space vs. the population of 0.0 space. I don't think there is any question which has the advantage of numbers. However, if those in empire can't organize a force to go take 0.0 space, then they don't deserve to be there.
The only thing keeping you out of 0.0 is yourselves. You want access, go get it.
Re:EVE (Score:2)
And whining about people who've played longer than you... please. Eve is unique amongst MMORPGs in that even new characters are useful. How useful are you as a lvl 10 priest in a raid? You wouldn't be allowed in a million yea
Nnooooo! (Score:2)
Re:Nnooooo! (Score:2)
Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc
Mercenary Coalition
am i the only one? (Score:1, Interesting)
Why is the timezone kept secret? (Score:2)
Nowhere on that page do they tell what timezone the schedule is based on.
Nowhere on that page do they tell what time it is right now in the timezone the schedule is based on.
What is this schedule useful for? Amateurs.
Re:Why is the timezone kept secret? (Score:1)
Re:Why is the timezone kept secret? (Score:2)
It's useful for the viewers they expect: other EVE players. And every EVE player that has been playing more than a few days knows that EVE's timezone is GMT.
If you are currently in the Eastern Daylight Savings timezone, subtract 4 hours from the above to yield your local time. Everyone else should be able to figure it out from that.
Re:Why is the timezone kept secret? (Score:1)
Re:Why is the timezone kept secret? (Score:1)
incredible!
Re:Why is the timezone kept secret? (Score:2)
Re:Why is the timezone kept secret? (Score:2)
Re:Why is the timezone kept secret? (Score:1)
That was on the page linked to in the article, second paragraph. Amateur
Re:Why is the timezone kept secret? (Score:2)
Schedule
Day 3. July 16th
14:50 Start of Broadcast
15:00 The Five vs Pure.
15:20 I R O N vs Dusk and Dawn
15:40 OPUS Alliance vs Veritas Immortalis
16:00 Red Alliance vs Fate Weavers
17:57 Slashdotted!!! OMGWTFBBQ!!!!11
Only watched 4 1/2 minutes... (Score:2)
Missing Something? (Score:2)
That's definitely an interesting MMORPG they've got there.
sport for nerds.. pfff (Score:1)
Interesting idea. (Score:1)
Not the only one (Score:1, Informative)
first post ? (Score:1, Offtopic)
Eve breathes through social interaction like this (Score:1)
If you want a small peek into the number of video work being done, check out eve videos [eve-videos.com] or the relat
Re:What a surprise... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What a surprise... (Score:1)
We called it zerging back in the day
Re:What a surprise... (Score:1)
Re:What a surprise... (Score:2)
It was basically 200 people zerging with Velators. (In EVE, that's the noob ship for one of the four races) They did some SERIOUS damage despite using a horde of basically week-old (or less) characters.
Re:What a surprise... (Score:2)
No surprise... (Score:2)
That's the problem with standards. Stick with one long enough, it gets reverse engineered.
Re:What a surprise... (Score:2, Informative)
* They run the backend of their *supercomputer* on MSSQL, mainly because as a bunch of game devs, they didn't really have the time to learn the intricacies of a UNIX based system when they needed to roll out their updated hardware ASAP.
* Client is indeed Windows only. Mainly because it's DirectX only, I'll give you that.
* They are porting it to DirectX 10, but that ported client is *optional*. If you want to stay with XP/DX9 you can. Not to mention the upgraded graphics engine
Re:What a surprise... (Score:2)
Re:What a surprise... (Score:3, Interesting)
Out of all the mmorpgs Ive played, Eve-online is the most involved and interesting. Ive been playing for under a year and there is still a lot to learn and experience. There are lots of different things to do in the game, but its the principally the pvp that is core and the wars and relationships that evolve between the entities that live out in deep space beyond the stable "safe" core empire systems that is intriguing.
One concern new players have is that with the skill system is that they will be never a
Re:What a surprise... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What a surprise... (Score:2)
Re:What a surprise... (Score:1)
Secondly you were doing courier missions, do kill missions, slightly more fun.
Re:What a surprise... (Score:2)
If you pick a Command agent, 97% of your missions will be "go here & kill everything"
See here for agent types:
http://www.tesuji.co.uk/agents.php [tesuji.co.uk]
(The reason the page looks so bad, is it works in the in-game browser.)
And the lvl 2+ missions are not easy if you're still in a frigate (the smallest ship, first you get).
The first part of the ship progression is like this:
Frigate -> Destroyer -> Cruiser -> Battlecruiser -> Battleship
And you can't do Lvl 2 m
Re:What a surprise... (Score:1)
You can also pick up a few lessons from videos, and figure out how different setups work with or against another. And hey, there's always the ability to point at a video from a friendly or hostile source and saying "that's my
Re:What a surprise... (Score:2)
Your somewhat correct. Eve is a pure-social game if you want to get anywhere or have any real fun. There is only so much you can do as single player.
However you are incorrect on the grouping. There are a large number of missions where you are required to group, and as I said playing solo in the game isn't going to get you anywhere fast.
Re:What a surprise... (Score:1, Informative)
No grouping!? I'm trying to understand how that could even be experienced... You can stay strictly solo if you want - oh wai
Re:What a surprise... (Score:2)
You were doing the wrong mission types (using the wrong agent). I'm guessing Administrative or Legal. If you use a Security or Internal Security agent, it's ALL kill missions. There are also agents for mining and item manufacturing, if that's your thing.
* Maybe there's the occasional 'kill the pirate' (but they're way too easy). No grouping (definately no group missions0,
Again, using the wrong agent. If you take the
Re:What a surprise... (Score:2)
Also, alliance politics can be some of the most entertaining (and sometimes infuriating) stuff I've ever run into in gaming. All the drama that Curse Alliance generated was priceless.
Re:Everyone knows the geek sport is... (Score:1)
Re:What, no trademark? (Score:1)