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BBC Reports UK-U.S. Terror Plot Foiled

timothy posted more than 8 years ago | from the england-prevails dept.

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j823777 was one of several readers to point out a BBC report that "A terrorist plot to blow up planes in mid-flight from the UK to the U.S. has been disrupted, Scotland Yard has said. It is thought the plan was to detonate up to three explosive devices smuggled on aircraft in hand luggage. Police have arrested 21 people in the London area after an anti-terrorist operation lasting several months. Security at all airports in the UK has been tightened and delays are reported. MI5 has raised the UK threat level to critical — the highest possible." spo0nman adds a link to the Associated Press's coverage. Update: 08/10 12:57 GMT by T : Several readers have pointed out new restrictions imposed as a result of this plot on passengers' carry-on luggage. In the UK, nearly all possession (including laptop computers) must be carried in the cargo hold; while their rules don't yet go quite as far, U.S. airlines are stepping up their enforcement of carry-on-restrictions, including banning substances like toothpaste.

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Hmm. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879509)

Nothing to see here...

Re:Hmm. (1, Insightful)

skoaldipper (752281) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879627)

Nothing to see here...
Exactly. And that's good. Better than weeks of 24x7 reporting of several thousand casualties instead. Them Brittish folk are pretty good at hunting down them Quran Kevorkians. Even those Candian fellers spoiled their stuff your turbin parade a few weeks back. I can't recall too many such revelations here in the States since that scraggly looking Reid feller bent over to tie his Air Nike Napalms. To be honest, I really wish I heard more of these stories here in the States. I think no news is bad news.

Good work (3, Interesting)

ManoSinistra (983539) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879510)

Good work over there at Scotland Yard!

Re:Good work (1)

ezdude (885983) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879517)

I agree, for the most part. I think we need to reserve judgement for a week or so, and see whether everything is as it seems.

Re:Good work (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879527)

Well, I give it credit for being in the UK. If I had heard that 20 people in the US were arrested and would be given secret trials, etc. I'd assume that it's just an "oh shit elections are coming up and both our leadership and our polls are in the crapper" action by the Republicans.

Or maybe thats what THEY want me to think... *dons tinfoil and hides in the corner*

Re:Good work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879580)

Well obviously the terrorists are really MI5, working for the CIA, working for the GOP.
Alternatively, Tony's planning on slipping some new insanity through while everyone's not looking (doing it while he's on holiday is a particularly nice touch...)

Sorry, do I sound cynical?

Re:Good work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879520)

Hey, there's no need to be sarcastic just to get FP.

Re:Good work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879538)

And te topic is ... US?????

Re:Good work (5, Informative)

Flibz (716178) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879573)

To be fair the target aircraft (apparently up to 10 flights were being targeted for timed explosions) where all bound for the US.

Now we have a situation where the only hand luggage allowed is medicines, wallets, baby food (must be eaten/tasted by parent in front of security staff), sanitary products (unboxed), etc. Shoes must be removed and X-rayed.

Anything electronic must go in the hold (laptops, cameras, gameboys, etc)

No liquids are allowed on US bound flights, due to tip off that liquid explosives would have been involved.

Full info on restrictions [dft.gov.uk]

Makes you wonder where they'll be trying to hide explosives next. Full body cavity search for all passengers? It's only a matter of time...

Hopefully... (0, Flamebait)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879550)

they didn't happen to shoot any of *these* terrorists 9 times in the head.

Re:Hopefully... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879591)

...they will. Good riddance to more islamo-rubbish.

Re:Good work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879553)

Pffft! They wouldn't got nowhere without the assistance of Mr. Holmes!

Re:Good work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879565)

Good work over there at Scotland Yard!

Shouldn't we wait for the trial and find out whether the accusations are supported by the evidence?

Re:Good work (3, Insightful)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879679)

Speaking of evidence... There's not a single mentioning of explosives discovered, which would be the kind of thing they would widely publish.

So I'm guessing they once again did their usual thing, let's just hope they manage without shooting or incarerating innocent people for a year, again. Sure this might have been a real plot, but their credibility is wearing thin.

Slashdot's too late to be useful for breaking news (-1, Offtopic)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879516)

This has been on CNN for the last 8 hours. I think that Slashdot's entire story submission process is to slow to effectively cover breaking news, since it just isn't news anymore.

Re:Slashdot's too late to be useful for breaking n (1)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879612)

This has been on CNN for the last 8 hours. I think that Slashdot's entire story submission process is to slow to effectively cover breaking news, since it just isn't news anymore.

And for those of us that have been SLEEPING for the past 8 hours, it is news.

I disagree (Was Re:Slashdot's too late to be...) (3, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879682)

This has been on CNN for the last 8 hours. I think that Slashdot's entire story submission process is to slow to effectively cover breaking news, since it just isn't news anymore.
  1. Thank god Slashdot is not CNN; they tend to take one little piece of news with very few details and rake it over the coals for hour after hour after hour until you are so sick of it you want to puke.
  2. Not news anymore? Hello, McFly?!?!? According to news sources, these people were going to blow up trans-Atlantic flights bound for the US filled full of people. How does that stop being news in just 8 hours? Have you become so inured to the whole terrorism thing that you can't see an important piece of news when it's right in front of you?

Wonderful (-1, Flamebait)

ShaunC (203807) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879525)

In the last 10 years, I've flown maybe 5 times, and tomorrow I've got a flight. It's only natural that this crap had to happen now.

No shampoo or hair gel allowed on the plane? I wonder if the mousse in my hair will get me a trip to gitmo...

Re:Wonderful (4, Funny)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879547)

I wonder if the mousse in my hair will get me a trip to gitmo...

Not if your airplane breaks the time barrier and lands in 1986.

Why would you threaten with mousse to go to Gitmo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879575)

see subject

Re:Wonderful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879600)

You should pull your head out of your @$$ and think about the "why" of the banning (contraband possibly to be used for explosives is being disguised as shampoo/gel). Put your "mousse" in your checked bag and you'll be fine, you flaming idiot. Otherwise, if people like you (village idiots) ran things, you'd later whine about how, in only your 5th flight in 10 years, your plane burst into flames over the ocean because you weren't being "looked out for". Moron.

Maybe a trip to "gitmo" (are you pretending to be military?) would properly change your perpsective...

US Flights Arming Israeli Terrorists (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879529)

Shit like this happens when your country gets caught rushing weapons to terrorists in Israel so they can kill more A-rab civilians...

Neocons and AIPAC(pro-Israeli terrorism org) are the number one threat to US security.

Thank god that Israeli terrorism supporter Lieberman got the boot. That is a step in the right direction to ending this crap.

Re:US Flights Arming Israeli Terrorists (1)

skoaldipper (752281) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879683)

Yassir Arafat, is that you? Did your wooden box come preinstalled with a Mr. Microphone?

This is how terrorism is fought against (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879530)

... not by attacking unrelated countries like Iraq.

Re:This is how terrorism is fought against (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879571)

Can I ask why this got troll-rated? This is insightful, after all.

Re:This is how terrorism is fought against (1, Insightful)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879651)

not by attacking unrelated countries like Iraq.

Actually, thats how they make new terrorists. What good is a War on Terror without a fresh supply of enemies?

Re:This is how terrorism is fought against (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879675)

Exactly. The government of Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with terrorist actions against the United States: the opposite, he was able to stomp on religious extremists. Now the USA has created a big training ground for terrorists there.

Just in time for U.S. Mid-Term Elections (1, Flamebait)

justanyone (308934) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879531)


Just Watch - the mid term elections this cycle will again be driven by raising the alert and fear level to drive voters into a panic, "Trust Our Imperious Leaders!" mode, no matter how corrupt, no matter how self-serving these alert levels are.

The Fearmongering must stop ! This is Stupid, Insulting, and Damaging to our Democracy!

Re:Just in time for U.S. Mid-Term Elections (3, Insightful)

tsa (15680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879544)

Well, maybe this time there was really something. Let's wait a week or so until things are more clear before shouting things like this.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't (1, Insightful)

krell (896769) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879557)

"Just Watch - the mid term elections this cycle will again be driven by raising the alert and fear level to drive voters into a panic, "Trust Our Imperious Leaders!" mode, no matter how corrupt, no matter how self-serving these alert levels are. "

And when something DOES happen, and nobody ever passed on the "classified" knowledge to warn us, you'll be the first to blame the imperious leaders for laying down on the job. Why didn't he WARN us???.

"The Fearmongering must stop ! This is Stupid, Insulting, and Damaging to our Democracy!"

It has nothing to do with our democracy. Search Slashdot for the keyword "diebold" if you are worried about democracy.

Re:Just in time for U.S. Mid-Term Elections (2, Interesting)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879566)

I must say, this is the first thing that went through my mind when I read the news about that plot. One thing that's almost certain is that no official will release any detail on that plot, on the pretex t that it's an ongoing investigation and that it's top-secret, therefore the public doesn't have any opportunity to check whether this was true or made-up, who the 21 arrested people are, what they were up to, etc... Some details will be released later, when it doesn't really matter anymore if there was foul play or not.

Even if this plot is real, and in a sense I wish it is because otherwise it's a sad day for our democracies, it's not normal that the agencies that have foiled it can brush public scrutiny with the now-usual "it's a secret, trust us" statement.

Re:Just in time for U.S. Mid-Term Elections (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879578)

Remember the 5th of november....

Re:Just in time for U.S. Mid-Term Elections (1)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879633)

I just thought the same thing. "how convenient"

Distract us from Iraq, Israel, Lebanon and the nations angst against the "War on terror" by doing nothing short of "foiling a plot and raising the threat level"

Re:Just in time for U.S. Mid-Term Elections (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879644)

So next time we just leave it and see what happens right?

Correction to the subject (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879533)

The threats have not been "avoided", merely "postponed", until the terrorists have another/different idea, and/or security gets a little lax again.

Re:Correction to the subject (3, Insightful)

Andy Gardner (850877) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879558)

The threats have not been "avoided", merely "postponed", until the terrorists have another/different idea, and/or security gets a little lax again.

Or, you could say, until we stop bombing the shit out of/subjugating/exploiting the third world in general...

All simplistic theories aside.... (3, Insightful)

krell (896769) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879584)

"Or, you could say, until we stop bombing the shit out of/subjugating/exploiting the third world in general..."

That is quite simplistic. Did you realize that the main beef of the Madrid bombers was that Spain had driven out Muslim invaders hundreds of years ago? It's too easy to dismiss everything as "the oppressed Third World being forced to strike back at First World oppressors", especially if you subscribe to very simplistic Marxist world-views and lack critical thinking.

Re:All simplistic theories aside.... (1)

veliath (5435) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879636)

Did you realize that the main beef of the Madrid bombers was that Spain had driven out Muslim invaders hundreds of years ago?
Nope. Any sources for this claim?

veliath
:-)

Re:All simplistic theories aside.... (2, Informative)

krell (896769) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879659)

google: madrid bombing motives moors

and look for references.

Re:All simplistic theories aside.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879652)

Did you realize that the main beef of the Madrid bombers was that Spain had driven out Muslim invaders hundreds of years ago?

What???? At this period, Spain was still in Iraq, this wass the reason for the bombings.

All historic theories aside.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879660)

The missing part is what schools have stopped teaching. History. The situations in the Middle East go back as far as the Otterman empire, if not a bit further back.

Re:Correction to the subject (1)

The_reformant (777653) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879593)

I take your point but the middle east is hardly the third world

Or.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879640)

Or, you could say, until we stop bombing the shit out of/subjugating/exploiting the third world in general...


Or finish the job

Re:Correction to the subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879587)

The threats have not been "avoided", merely "postponed", until the terrorists have another/different idea,
Different terrorists, that is. They've caught the major players for this one.

No hand luggage... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879539)

From TFA: "Passengers are not allowed to take any hand luggage on to any flights in the UK, the department said."

Only passports, wallets.

The mind boggles. No computers, books, iPods, bottles of water, sunglasses?

Smoking, alcohol, and sex are already off-limits or difficult. I hope these are really short flights, and the planes have plenty of distractions for the passengers, otherwise we'll wonder if being blown up is not the better alternative.

Re:No hand luggage... (5, Insightful)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879590)

No computers, books, iPods, bottles of water, sunglasses?

You're allowed your wallet precisely so that you can buy all those things on board the plane. And then again on the next plane. Buy airline stock now.

Re:No hand luggage... (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879595)

Smoking, alcohol, and sex are already off-limits or difficult.

The last flight I took when it was possible to smoke was a 1994 KLM flight. That's 12 years ago man. Getting drunk onboard a plane I think was never a good idea anyway. As for sex, most of us don't find it all that difficult you know...

Re:No hand luggage... (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879596)

The mind boggles. No computers, books, iPods, bottles of water, sunglasses?

Toys for the kids, baby food, medicine...

Re:No hand luggage... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879599)

Hell, how else do you plan to sell those overpriced on-flight "dinners" (i.e. old bread with something on it) and the tiny coke cans? Everyone I know takes food and drinks routinely with him on flights since the airlines stopped handing out freebies.

Re:No hand luggage... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879603)

Try reading a book.

Maybe you'll get smart, but I doubt it.

Re:No hand luggage... (5, Insightful)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879628)

I hope these are really short flights

Yeah, they're the new 20 minute commuter planes from the UK to the US.

My god, is it really too much to ask to read the first sentence in the summary?

Re:No hand luggage... (1)

dean.collins (862044) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879631)

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Aussies-in-airpor t-chaos-after-UK-threat/2006/08/10/1154803030431.h tml [smh.com.au]

get fucked, this is insane.

when are "Sheeple" in the west going to wake up to themselves this is a loosing
battle.

I've had it with these "increased security measures", everywhere that you go
in the subways in NY now they are saying bags subject to search, I cant wait
for someone to stop me, without a warrant they can ask me to leave the
subway but no way are they searching my stuff without probably cause.

exactly what is the reason we are fighting terrorism for in the first place?

Dean

Re:No hand luggage... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879678)

I understand that there are other standing rules that specify that any device containing a battery may not be stowed in the baggage hold of an aircraft.

Presumably, no-one with an iPod or a laptop (or similar) will be allowed to take them on a flight at all..

Questions (4, Insightful)

ettlz (639203) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879541)

First, congratulations to the Security Services for foiling this plot.

Did they need to detain someone for 90 days without trial to prevent this disaster?
Would ID cards have helped?

And how long before I can travel with my notebook onto an aeroplane again, as we all know a cargo hold is no place for a lithium ion battery?

Re:Questions (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879589)

Did they need to detain someone for 90 days without trial to prevent this disaster? No apparently it was done with a deep undercover operation.

And how long before I can travel with my notebook onto an aeroplane again, as we all know a cargo hold is no place for a lithium ion battery?

I don't know, but apparently they are banning ALL liquids.. Yes all liquids.

Re:Questions (4, Funny)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879670)

One can only wonder how long it will take some bright airport security guard to realize that blood is a liquid and insist that all passengers be cryonically frozen before boarding.

More questions (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879617)

Anyone notice how all the usual terrorist-coddling media sources referred to the suspects as being of south Asian origin? For crying out loud, call a spade a spade! The correct word is ARAB! Big fucking surprise that a bunch of ARABS would want to blow up as many civilians as possible. That NEVER happens. I'm so fuckig sick of Arabs using their weak-ass militaries as a moral justification for INTENTIONALLY targeting CIVILIANS. And the world's major media outlets are only too happy to fabricate increasingly more perverse moral justifications and propaganda photos in support of this bullshit! Why don't you pussies go after some military targets, huh? Fuck the pedophile Mohammed and the imaginary winged horse he flew in on, and fuck your imaginary friend Allah.

Re:More questions (-1, Flamebait)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879669)

You see, USA and Israel have no problems attacking civilian targets.

TSA just anounced the new restrictions on (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879542)

luggage.

No liquids or gels can be brought on board.

Reduce the "clutter" in your luggage so the inspectors have a clear view.

Medicine is ok and baby formula but be prepared to show it to the inspector.

Call carrier to see how early you have to arrive.

Have fun flying?!.

Re:TSA just anounced the new restrictions on (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879561)

They better ban snakes too

Re:TSA just anounced the new restrictions on (1)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879656)

What is this new snakes thing? Can someone explain this?

Re:TSA just anounced the new restrictions on (2, Insightful)

AWeishaupt (917501) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879592)

It's so over the top it's not funny. They're concerned over 'liquid-based explosives', apparantly. MEKP, Astrolite, NG, whatever. They could all be put inside a liquid medicine bottle, and would look just fine upon visual examination.

Re:TSA just anounced the new restrictions on (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879609)

Medicine is ok and baby formula but be prepared to show it to the inspector.

you even need to taste it yourself to show that it's not the latest high-tech bomb!

Why oh why (5, Funny)

kahei (466208) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879554)


WHY do these terrorists specifically hate those of us who are scared of flying??

Re:Why oh why (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879611)

Actually, they "hate" (i.e. target) those that can afford to fly. Do you think the hype would fly that high if they targeted, say, Greyhound?

Approval Ratings (0, Troll)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879555)

Ahhh.... Tony Blair's approval ratings must have hit the low level alarm setpoint.

Latest (5, Informative)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879569)

Current information coming over the Beeb is that the plot may have included up to 9 planes simultaneously or in successive waves.

Explosives are suspected to have been carried on in hand luggage as liquids, suggesting that they were planning to use binary agents (where two non-explosive chemicals are mixed to form a 3rd reactive substance).

Currently travelers from the UK are being told that (IIRC) they may board the planes with absolutely no more than 7 carryon items, limited to a select list such as:
- 1 book
- 1 newspaper
- wallet
- passport
etc.

It was sure this would happen (-1, Flamebait)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879572)

I'm not saying that this case was fake, but had I been in the UK government, I would just gather up a bunch of random folks with arabic background. The current gov absolutely needs a success story like this to stay afloat. Already way too much people realize that the fearmongering is not aimed at making citizens safe.

You can call that evil, but it's already well known that the government is evil and has no qualms against lying to the voters. And, like with falsifying creationism, there is no way to be certain the plot was genuine -- at most, you can prove a given plot was staged up. In this case, I would rather believe the conspiracy theorists -- no sane intelligence agency would wait until the terrorists are about to board the planes.

Re:It was sure this would happen (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879667)

The problem with a view of an evil government, is that it's grossly oversimplified. You can't assume an evil cabinet, evil MPs, evil police, evil local government and evil beurocracies. Some of these people are going to be at worst misguided.

Not foiled - disrupted (3, Interesting)

akadruid (606405) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879579)

Please note that MI5 said 'disrupted', not 'foiled'. The impact that this event has caused can definitely be considered a significant success by the planning organisation or anyone aligned with their goals, if not as much as they wished.

Mind you, it might actually serve some interests better for tens of millions of people to be worried, inconvienced, or annoyed than for airliners to explode.

Let hope their intelligence is better.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879583)

Lets hope their intelligence is better than previously

bang [bbc.co.uk]

bang [wikipedia.org]

Again, probably a non-existent terror plot (0, Flamebait)

unity100 (970058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879585)

WHENEVER the popularity of their administration goes way down, the bush & co and blair & co suddenly uncover a 'devilish grand terrorist plot'.

This is getting WAY old now.

Theres no way of proving whether what they say is right or wrong, whether the arrested are really guilty or not. They raise the alert level and finitto ! Civilian authorities and organisations do not have access to 'classified' information. Why, in this way, you can do something and blame it on the martians ?

I remember last time they shot an innocent brasilian IN THE BACK, and it was discovered months later, and with chance, that he wasnt a terrorist.

Blair, is a moron. He is also an exploiter of authority, benefiting the shady circles who put so much support behind him. Not unlike bush.

Re:Again, probably a non-existent terror plot (0, Troll)

krell (896769) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879597)

" remember last time they shot an innocent brasilian IN THE BACK, and it was discovered months later, and with chance, that he wasnt a terrorist."

If you really remember, you will recall certain facts you left out, such as the man was fleeing from police. He created the dangerous situation. If you do such things, especially in a security-critical transportation environment, don't be surprised if you get shot.

Re:Again, probably a non-existent terror plot (-1, Flamebait)

ledow (319597) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879616)

Fleeing from ARMED police who asked him to stop. Why why why would you not stop, if ANYONE pointed a gun at you who has a clear shot at you and who told you to stop? Especially if they are police.

Next it'll be the Tony Martin case that you bring up.

Re:Again, probably a non-existent terror plot (1)

krell (896769) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879641)

Do you mean "Tony Martin, the farmer who killed a criminal who broke into his house"? Why would I bring him up? I tend to evaulate "shooting burglar" situations differently from "fleeing and eluding police" situations, anyway.

Re:Again, probably a non-existent terror plot (1)

ledow (319597) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879672)

Not you mate, I was thinking more the posters before you.

It's a slashdot phenomenon - anything about people getting shot, anything about home gun use, anything about corrupt judicial systems convicting "home defenders" and it's brought up.

Re:Again, probably a non-existent terror plot (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879653)

The answer to that becomes obvious the moment you look into the unhealthy side of a gun. Your first and most primal reaction is to run for your life. If you can't get that under control (and many cannot), you flee.

Don't expect people to act rational in a situation that is pure stress. Yes, it would be very rational to see police, know that they will not shoot you (well, usually) if you do what you're told and, well, do it. Then again, in some areas of the world it is better to run when someone, including the police, points a gun at you...

Re:Again, probably a non-existent terror plot (1)

badfish99 (826052) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879649)

Actually, it was proved afterwards that he was not fleeing. He was behaving normally.
The police discovered that they had killed an innocent man within minutes, not months. So they put out a lot of misinformation to cover up their mistake.

Re:Again, probably a non-existent terror plot (1)

halivar (535827) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879625)

You're right, it can't possibly be a real terrorist plot. I mean, blowing up airplanes? Sounds a little far-fetched for me.

Re:Again, probably a non-existent terror plot (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879663)

Something's being not far fetched does not mean it's being real.

Re:Again, probably a non-existent terror plot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879658)

I remember last time they shot an innocent brasilian IN THE BACK, and it was discovered months later, and with chance, that he wasnt a terrorist

Bullshit. They made no such "discovery" - he wasn't ever suspected of being a terrorist! Just someone who looked a bit foreign and was acting strangely.

Now, what conclusions can you draw from this (2, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879586)

One attack every 5 years. Sounds to me (and I guess everyone who lives in an area that deals or dealt with terrorist attacks on a daily base) not too threatening.

Giving up civil liberties for that? Hardly worth it.

Re:Now, what conclusions can you draw from this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879637)

Agreed. Having a plane blow up every now and then is certainly terrible but it's nothing like real terror, as seen by people in, say, Isreal and Palestine who send their child off to school every day wondering if the kid will make it home alive, or workers who go out for lunch at a cafe, wondering if this will be their last meal. Or they sit around at home wondering if their house will simply suddenly explode because of the guy launching rockets from the roof of a building, either because they were his target, or it was their roof.

After reading the dreck on here (0, Flamebait)

SengirV (203400) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879601)

I am shocked the US voted in Bush. I mean the US was never a target of Terrorism when Clinton was president.

Re:After reading the dreck on here (3, Informative)

socalmtb (235850) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879645)

Actually, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing occured during Clinton's Presidency. Also the USS Cole. I think there were a few more.

Re:After reading the dreck on here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879647)

I think you forget the first World Trade center bombing [wikipedia.org] in on February 26, 1993

Re:After reading the dreck on here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879657)

Uhhhh....

USS Cole (and USS Sullivans but that one failed cuz' the bomb boat sprang a leak)

A couple of embassies

Lebanon back in the 80's if you want to go back that far.

Been building for awhile - 9.11 was just the first chance(?) they had to tag US soil proper

Re:After reading the dreck on here (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15879665)

I mean the US was never a target of Terrorism when Clinton was president.

Is this sarcastic?

WTC bombing #1, Khobar Towers, US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, USS Cole.

Whose watch were those on?

Clinton's.

Re:After reading the dreck on here (1)

Spuds (8660) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879677)

I'm not sure what you where trying to point out here, but Clinton was president during the first World Trade Center bombing, and the OKC as well.

Nudging the barn door a bit as the cows walk out (1)

Ancient_Hacker (751168) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879604)

As usual, we're reacting, and poorly at that.

Someone please tell me:

If the bad guys are supposed to be hand-carrying liquid explosives, what's to prevent them from putting the stuff in their checked luggage?

Don't they already make you take a gulp from your water-bottle, JIC it's full of bleached nitroglycerin?

What's to stop the bad guys from just going to the beach for a few weeks until the hubbub subsides?

The trick is to be a bit smarter, and thinking ahead of the Ali BAbas, not reacting to reported threats in both over and under thorough ways.

So, for several months... (4, Interesting)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879606)

We've known about a likely plot to blow up several planes.

Now, the perpetrators have been arrested, and anyone else who may have been involved is potentially compromised, so will probsbly not risk carrying it out. As a result, an attack is less likely. So the alert level has gone up.

Evidence? (2, Insightful)

aurelian (551052) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879615)

How about this time we wait to see some genuine evidence presented before we congratulate people for stopping a 'plot'. Because recently we've seen people arrested and even shot dead on the basis of bogus evidence.

Election Time? convenient (0, Troll)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879618)

Gotta love it.. absofreakinglutely nothing happens until election time. Whatever happened to the Florida terrorist group that made headlines last time the prezs numbers were hitting the floor?

Security (4, Funny)

Ed Almos (584864) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879620)

Security at airports is not 'tightened' it's fucking impossible. Anyone travelling from the UK to the USA will find that it's quicker to walk.

Ed Almos

Good bye, laptop! (1)

netringer (319831) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879626)

The knees are jerking so loud there's a background hum across the whole hemisphere.

At O'Hare they're saying to allow 2 hours to check in and the TV reporters are saying that won't ber nearly enough time. GA is looking better with every new procedure.

Best of all, they are insisting that LAPTOP COMPUTERS have to be in checked baggage. None may be in carry ons. I think they're happily giving out clear plastic bags to hold them. Of course, as always the luggage cannot be locked lest the TSA not be able to search.

In other news, Ryder and U-Haul report a huge influx in demand for van rentals in locations near airports.

In other news, eBay reports a huge influx in for sale listings of nearly laptop computers.

When asked for comment the Department of Homeland Security refused citing national security reasons.

I'll take Amtrak or fly myself even if it takes me an extra 4 days on each end.

Trolling the Poli-Sites (1, Flamebait)

ellem (147712) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879630)

There are people so utterly insane they are calling this a Rovian Plot. The other half is calling for the death of all Non-Judeo/Christians.

People. Seriously. You have to stop looking for boogeymen everywhere. There really are terrorists out there and they really are looking to kill people. Most of them are not from or connected Washington DC.

al-Qaida (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879635)

and of course, it didn't take long for the US to say that it's the oh-so-scary al-Qaida

Chertoff: Plot 'Suggestive' of al-Qaida [sun-sentinel.com]

Urgent: anyone here from High Wycombe? (2, Informative)

mccalli (323026) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879662)

The news is saying that houses in High Wycombe are being evacuated. My family are in Marlow Bottom, on the other side of the hill (about a mile/two miles for those not familiar with the area).They're also travelling around in the car at the moment, including probably heading for a Morrisons supermarket in High Wycombe.

Does anyone here have more information about what's going on in High Wycombe please?

Cheers,
Ian

News for Nerds? (1)

bitswapper (805265) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879664)

This is news worthy and all, but is it really 'news for nerds'? What about the BBC article on reversing evolution in mice that showed up a couple of days ago? Didn't anyone submit anything like that? I never saw that show up here.

Honestly, between this and the 'slashback' nonesense (talk about feeding on your own byproducts), I have to wonder how much influence 'mainstream media' is having on /.

How convenient ! (1, Flamebait)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 8 years ago | (#15879676)

Didn't Britain just introduce a terror threat level system a few weeks ago ? And right here is the chance to crank up the threat level a few notches ! The person in charge must be thrilled.
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