How the IBM PC Changed the World 232
Sabah Arif writes "On August 12, 1981, IBM released the IBM PC 5150. In less than two years, IBM had created a computer that would not only change IBM, but the entire world, mostly because it did not follow IBM tradition. It used an outside microprocessor (instead of the nascent IBM 801), operating system and software. Low End Mac recounts the birth of the IBM PC 5150."
The Next Big Thing (Score:5, Funny)
These days, no turbo button, so I'm stuck at a crawling 3GHz...
Re:The Next Big Thing (Score:5, Informative)
for thoes that don't know.. so many games and programs were made for the 8086/8088 that when they started upping the clockspeed many games ran too fast so they implimented the turbo button so that you could slow down the cpu to make old games and such useable
would be nice now to beable to push a button and have games from around 1995~ or so that I have lieing around playable again.. but alas that would be an interesting trick sence you'd have to impliment 3dfx voodoo 1, soundblaster and true dos in software/hardware
Re:The Next Big Thing (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:The Next Big Thing (Score:5, Interesting)
* Before some humourless nerd points this out, yes, I know a good chunk of the graphics in modern games is generated by a dedicated GPU. Lets pretend the turbo button affects the video card too, okay? It's a personal fantasy of mine.
Re:The Next Big Thing (Score:3, Funny)
Silly gamer! It's so much easier to change the unit: "I'm getting 13 frames per hour".
Re:The Next Big Thing (Score:2, Informative)
Re:The Next Big Thing (Score:2)
Ho, yeah, this should of course have a logarithmic scale, this goes without saying...
Re:The Next Big Thing (Score:3, Informative)
Clockspeed also affected hardware - I remember that in order to format early hard drives on an 8088 (XT) you had to drop back down to 4.7 MHz.
Why did you post that??
Re:The Next Big Thing (Score:4, Funny)
Anti-Turbo (Score:2)
Or something that briefly over-clocked the processor, maybe running the fans at a sp
Re:Anti-Turbo (Score:2)
my PC (located in the living room) is so silent, my wife sometimes ask me if the thing is on or off.
I wasn't aware that people who have a computer in the living room were allowed to have wives.
Re:Anti-Turbo (Score:2)
Only if your computer is silent. Women try to avoid high pitch sounds.
Re:The Next Big Thing (Score:2)
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CPM (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:CPM (Score:5, Informative)
Re:CPM (Score:3, Informative)
Re:CPM (Score:2, Informative)
CP/M: $240
IBM PC DOS: $40
Identical, except for a leading digit.
Re:CPM (Score:2)
One of the first utilities I wrote for CP/M involved pacing the output to our printers because we had no flow control by keeping track of both carriage and roller movement. If I had had the source to PIP, I would have modified it instead of writing a separate program.
Thank Phoenix Technologies (Score:5, Informative)
1. The IBM PC was initially sold for about $1295. That was much cheaper than any other IBM computer. Apple and Commodore had cheaper computers, but small-business owners want the IBM name on their computers. Business people tended to view Apple computers and Commodore computers as toys.
2. The computer had the IBM label on it. These days, the IBM label does not carry the same cachet that the IBM name carried in the 1980s. At that time, IBM dominated the mindshare in the computer industry. People often said, "No one was ever fired for buying an IBM computer."
3. IBM encouraged other companies to build hardware and software for the IBM PC. It literally came with a full set of manuals documenting the entire BIOS and the internal wiring among the chips of the motherboard. Compare that open approach to, say, the typical Sony laptop. The plethora of software and hardware peripherals for the IBM PC enabled it to be adapted to a wide-range of useful applications: music synthesis, video games, desktop publishing, real-time intruder monitoring, etc.
4. Phoenix Technologies cloned the BIOS, enabling an army of companies to legally build functioning clones of the IBM PC. This army of cloners then spawned an entire universe of component suppliers. This intense competition among so many cloners and suppliers drastically lowered the price of the IBM PC and its clones. In turn, the lowered prices dramatically increased sales of the personal computers. Today, you can buy a Dell laptop for $500.
As prices dropped, more people bought computers; with more people owning computers, more companies building software and hardware for the computers appeared. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Among the four factors, item #4 is probably the most important factor in amplifying the impact of the IBM PC on the entire computer industry.
You can easily see the impact of #4 by comparing (1) the size of the ecosystem of companies building hardware and software for IBM PCs (now known as Lenovo PCs) and their clones and (2) the size of the ecosystem of companies building hardware and software for 68000 Macintoshes or PowerPC Macintoshes. Still more interesting, the enormous size and supercompetitive nature of the 1st ecosystem has swallowed even Apple: the new x86 Macintoshes are essentially (in a very general sense) an IBM clone. The x86 Macintoshes use the x86 (the central component of an IBM clone) and take advantage of the super-cheap VLSI chips from which IBM clones are built.
Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies (Score:5, Interesting)
What I find interesting to speculate on, is if they would've been bigger now if they had used some sort of "trusted hardware" contract, the same as which microsoft already tries to put through for some time now: forcing suppliers to develop hardware/software only under contract, and making sure that only hardware from those suppliers will actually function on their platform (not that the hardware capacity was there to check stuff like that at the time, I guess).
Or, would they have been marginalized by the more open competition if they would've chosen that path, and their current technique to support open standards, but deliver paid service and support for companies that need reliable software/hardware, is actually the best one?
Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies (Score:2)
With the introduction of the PS/2, a new bus (MCA) was introduced and everything was more or less closed again.
It became a miserable failure, because the genie was already out of the bottle and the clone manufacturers could just ignore IBM and go on making their clones without having to incorporate more than the keyboard and mouse connector. The early issue of "is this clone really compatible with
Economically, open always wins (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies (Score:3, Informative)
There were a LOT of companies stealing the IBM BIOS code by typing in the source in the Technical Reference Manual. That was ruled illegal.
What the later cloners (including Compaq) did was take the programming reference manual, hire people who would sign a legally binding statement that they had never seen the BIOS code and do a black box reverse engineering job on the functions. The best jobs were done by Compaq (who didn't resell their clean BIOS) and Phoenix who just did a much better job th
$1295 (Score:4, Interesting)
For the record, all the popular small systems of the time had third party add-ons. That's a tradition that goes back all the way to the Altair. The Apple II didn't even have an RF modulator, because a third-party deal saved some headaches for Apple. All the systems came with full documentation. Apple even gave you the source code for the whole ROM in a separate manual right in the box, along with the schematics. Cloning the BIOS happened long after the PC had established its place - and the first clones had significant compatibility problems. Clones really didn't take off until Compac beat IBM to market with a 386-based machine.
Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm not convinced. Over here in the UK CBM Pets and Apple IIs were all over the business world. Heck, even huge multinational banks used Apple II's. I knew some poor guy who had to log credits in to an Apple II running a database by Stoneware.
Business magazines of that era were full of ads for Apple IIs and all the business software/hardware you could buy for them.
Early reviews of the PC were also very negative, most noting Apple had nothing to worry about.
Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies (Score:3, Interesting)
IBM's previous attempts at a home or personal/small-business were laughable. And the first PCs were pretty crap compared in features and performance - whilst the first 8088 or 8086 IBMs and compatibles struggled on with 80x25 character
Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies (Score:2, Interesting)
For business applications, after evaluating both those early color displays and the IBM monochrome text displays, most people would have chosen the the text display. For the time it was very crisp, with a nice font and special long-persistence phosphors. Early color displays (including IBM's
Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies (Score:2)
BS. The Mac, Atari ST, and Amiga didn't come out until years after the first 8088/86 PCs. Three years later, in the case of the Mac, and four years later (1985) for the ST and Amiga, by which time the first 386s/EGA d
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EGA was a slight improvement, but it wasn't until VGA came along with multisync monitors that the fun really began. And there were all those wacky coprocessor cards that tried to bypass the CPU (some image processing cards had four transputers or a i860 for signal processing (Microway Quadputer/Number Smasher 860) [hw.ac.uk], Other had a TMS34020 for graphics
Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies (Score:2)
I'm not sure about
Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies (Score:3, Informative)
Phoenix desired 100% penetration and was willing to give their product away to get it sinc
Re:CPM (Score:2)
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Windows killed OS/2.[1]
Microsoft & IBM had a partnership underway. When it came to renewal & examination of what stood where, Microsoft gracefully bowed out. That left Windows and OS/2 on the market [as separate products]. I don't have dates for other releases, but I know Windows 3.1 was in the March<->May '92 timeframe and remember working on an OS/2 book (power users) in the late '92 or '93 timeframe. For some time, software packages which ran on one ran on the other. This was still a DOS environment as you couldn't boot Windows and there were several flavors of DOS.
Several Microsoft documents detailing meeting minutes indicated a discussion about making it such Windows wouldn't run upon anything but MS-DOS. The resolution was, "Only if it will absolutely, positively runs on MS-DOS [no matter what, no question whatsoever]; if it runs on something else, that's fine...it's better to err by running on too much than too little." The goal was to make it WOM[2]people would call and the response would be, "I'm sorry, Windows only runs on MS-DOS. I can put you in touch with the Sales[3] department so you can purchase a copy."
There are a few packages which are still OS/2-only, although they might be migrating if not having done so recently. The missus works at a large hospital and Pyxis (automated med dispenser, it tracks userid, password, station, date|time, medication, doseage, etc. Basically, it a data collection system where you enter the necessary info and a drawer with the meds opens up for you to remove the meds. If the hospital has moved from OS/2, it's been less than a year and was extremely painful. They've had plenty of problems anyway, so I don't remember which one of the agonizing pains brought home would have been the migration. (fortunately, they're better than SMS on the mainframe (from days of yore). I so hated trying to protect the machines the systems programmers|technical support were responsible for and SMS demanded God privileges in order to do their work, walking in like stormtroopers. That's when we found out they were all OJT.[4]
Someone mentioned CP/M and the turbo button. With the commercials today, one would expect an [Easy] button instead - slow things down & make them intolerably slow. I'm guessing any version of Windows would be like pushing the [Easy] button. Perhaps, push the [Easy] button and a list of Windows partitions (in order of slowness) would pop up and ask you which one you want to run.
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[1] The saying about OS/2 was DB/2, OS/2, PS/2: Half of a database running on half an operating system running on half of a PC.
[2] WOM = Write-Only Memory. Infinite storage capacity, but if you try to read...out comes the smoke and they call support. "Smoke came out of the cabinet? Are you certain? Did you try to read from it? Oh, I'm sorry. It's read-only. You can store as much as you want, but you cannot retrieve it. During a trip to an ACM conference in college '84, several of us who had a few too many glasses of gin (I hate vermouth) and bloody maries were working out the details to create a glossy brochure to send to the profs.
[3] Remember, Microsoft's strengths are Marketing, PR, and Sales; aka Huey, Dewey and Louie. I don't think people calling would understand if someone said, "I'll put you in touch with Donald Duck's nephew, Louie Duck."
[4] On the Job Training. "We'll hire you dirt-cheap but won't send you to any classes. That costs money. The best thing to do is send you out into the mean, harsh world and you'll figure things out with time. Providing you don't booger up the clients' systems first. This isn't a case of being hired and learn things fast. This is being hired today and sent to a client site tomorrow without a parachute or docs.
First personal PC (Score:3, Informative)
It inspired most of the techno-nerds from Gates to Jobs.
Re:First personal PC (Score:2)
My first personal computer was a Honeywell 6000. (Actually Honeywell owned it, my dad worked for them developing Gecos & Multics -- we had a TTY in the den)
Altair & the Apple I (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyone have a "Woz"
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the x86 (Score:5, Interesting)
This prevents one manufacturer from imposing their wishes on us. If Microsoft had control of their personal computer platform the way apple does, we surely would have lost the battle to DRM already. Computers would be more expensive because there wouldn't be competition from cheap manufacturers in Taiwan to drive the prices down.
The x86 may be an ugly beast, but it gives us the freedom that only openness can bring. And I will drink to that.
Re:the x86 (Score:4, Insightful)
If the PC was as tightly controlled as Apple's platform was... You probably would not ever have heard of Microsoft.
Microsoft didn't make the PC, IBM did. They were just lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, to ride the wave of "openness", which depended on their closed software for interoperability.
Re:the x86 (Score:2)
Microsoft didn't make the PC, IBM did. They were just lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, to ride the wave of "openness",
Ummm, no. The reason we have all heard of Microsoft is because Gates wisely insisted that IBM *not* have an exclusive on PC-DOS. Microsoft reserved the right to sell their OS to other computer manufacturers. IBM agreed, probably due to arroganc
Re:the x86 (Score:2)
Remember that IBM called the PC an "open architecture" because they used of the shelf parts, not because they wanted people to clone it.
Re:the x86 (Score:5, Insightful)
There are just a few problems:
The x86 has managed to kill off every other competing processor in the desktop space and relegate them to embedded computing or history books. First Alpha, then MIPS, and finally the PowerPC. (I'm typing this on an Intel Mac). We are now back to one architecture again, which is good for compatibility, but sucks for platform diversity. Not that I'm complaining about my computer (or the latest x86 offerings in general); you can't go wrong with the 1.83GHz Core Duo. The new Xeon chips make a dream machine. Intel did a very good job with the internals of the processor, by making it RISC-like (while still maintaining the x86 instruction set) and making it perform fast and relatively cool at the same time. I also like AMD's offerings; the Athlon 64 makes 64-bit computing very affordable (with great performance). But what about 10-20 years from now? Where will the new computer architecture ideas (or, more specifically, microprocessor ideas) come from? Will we finally get beyond the x86 instruction set? (Anybody who can point me to some recent academic/industrial research in this area will make me happy).
Secondly, guess who is in the Trusted Computing Group? Intel and AMD. My Intel Mac has a TPM chip used to make sure I don't do something like purchasing a $299 Dell special desktop and installing OS X on it. Most new Core Duo laptops sold have some sort of TPM chip on them, although as of yet they have no use (unless you have a Mac). Imagine what happens when the law/**AA/Microsoft/whatever demands hardware-enforced DRM. Well, we already have the hardware on the Intel machines. AMD probably doesn't want to lose a few sales and doesn't want to look out of date, so they'll implement a TPM chip, too. Since there are no other architectures to choose from, you're stuck.
Now, hopefully this doesn't happen. I am optimistic that this won't happen. There is quite a bit of backlash of DRM (even with normal consumers; look at the Sony rootkit fiasco, for example). However, it can happen, and the architecture for hardware-enforced DRM is falling into place. It's just the software that's falling behind, as usual.
Re:the x86 (Score:2)
Well, IBM's Power/PowerPC seems to be doing just fine, as are several handheld architectures (Arm, MIPS, SHx).
And, you're acting like a single common architecture is a bad thing. With the switch to x86-64, and other parallel advances, almost all of the benefits of the alternative architectures are gone. Who's to say that a common hardware platform is bad?
Re:the x86 (Score:2)
Ah, but if both the PC and Mac were locked-down single-manufacturer platforms, than another, more open platform would appear. Do you really think all those clever little Koreans would just sit on their arses and make nothing but MS-PC (for want
Re:the x86 (Score:2)
Enter MSX [wikipedia.org].
OTOH, assembler, board design was easy in X86 (Score:5, Interesting)
In fact all the early processors had their architectural horrors. The 9900 had an absurd system in which the bit order of IO was reverse numbered with respect to the bus and we actually got an I/O board into production before we realised this owing to the poor documentation. The 68000 constantly caught out assembly programmers because of its word alignment issues, resulting in one occasion in a programmer going near berserk and having a screaming fit in the lab, fortunately when the boss was out at a meeting. And don't talk to me about the F100/L except to say that Ferranti did not get as much pain as they deserved for creating it. Not that it would ever have become mainstream...
It's easy to be clever with hindsight, but the Power architecture came later and too late. After, as I recall, the NS32032 which, despite some performance issues, was a processor I really liked.
Re:the x86 (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:the x86 (Score:2)
The 68000, on the other hand, was one step up. This was a 32-bit processor with a 16-bit external bus. Costs would certainly ha
68000 wasn't 32 bit, being picky (Score:2)
I know this is heresy, but IMHO the 68000 was actually a dead end, which is why it was ultimately abandoned by Apple. The 86 instruction set forced Intel to redesign the processor below
Re:68000 wasn't 32 bit, being picky (Score:2)
However, to the programmer it appeared to be fully 32-bit and it could in later models be easily extended to be 32-bit without effect on software.
(compare that to the 386 which needed new software that used 32-bit opcodes)
Of course the main reason the 68000 became a dead end, is that it was not used in the PC and no development money went into it.
The 68000 could have
Re:68000 wasn't 32 bit, being picky (Score:2, Insightful)
Later 680x0 processors allowed you to use Dx registers as address registeres IIRC, but had a performance hit.
Re:the x86, the 68000 (Score:3, Informative)
to design the PC. In fact, they were going to use an 8085 cpu, which
they were using in their DataMaster series of machines. The PC ended
up with the same bus already used in the DataMaster. IBM switched to
the newly released 8088 at the suggestion of Bill Gates.
The very first deliveries of 68000 cpus were locked up in advance sales
to General Motors for use in auto electronics (smog control computers).
Until Motorola could ramp up production ve
Re:the x86 (Score:2)
I agree about the FPU thing, but otherwise the x86 was the absolutely best for assembly programming in the 1980s. I did a lot of assembly code then, because with the low clock speeds it was the only way of doing many things.
Despite what many people who never did assembly code think, Intel had a great advantage in being little-endian. This makes things much easier if you have to mix
Re:I was always amused by this... (Score:4, Informative)
Intel used a special chip that was dedicated to interrupt vectoring, the 8259. It had 8 inputs of fixed priority, int 0 being the highest and int 7 being lowest.
The 5150 had one of these, and the ints 0 to 7 were partly hardwired and partly on the ISA bus.
A stupid design mistake was made: interrupts were edge-triggered on the 0->1 edge of the input. This was a programmable option in the 8259, which could also operate in a level-sensitive mode. This mistake meant that interrupt lines could not be shared between cards.
(other manufacturers of the time used active-low level-sensitive mode, which meant it was possible to share interrupt lines)
When the AT appeared, and the number of available lines was felt too limited, a second 8259 was connected to int 2 of the first, and its input were designated 8..15.
Input 9 was connected to the bus pin that originally was number 2. Hence the 2/9.
The priorities of inputs 8..15 became relative to int 2, thus the complete priority sequence becomes:
0,1,[8,2/9,10,11,12,13,14,15],3,4,5,6,7
Some of those (0,1,8,13,14) are used on the motherboard. The remainder is on the ISA bus.
Later, when MCA and PCI were developed, engineers corrected their mistake and used level-sensitive interrupts that could be shared.
But in the name of backward compatability, the strange interrupt numbering and handling has always remained there.
(current systems have 24 levels and more freedom in programming the whole thing to the OS developer's liking)
It was Compaq that opened up the clone market (Score:4, Informative)
Imagine you were Chinese and had laid bare before you the innards of some cool technology that until now was locked up tight. You'd be the first one to put down your eggroll and cat-kabob and get right to the task of extracting its secrets. That's when you'd open up the clone market. It wouldn't be the prerogative of the original company whether you created the clone or not, it's out of their hands once they decided to use an open architecture.
Compaq blazed the clone trail, not IBM.
No, Columbia Data Systems was first (Score:5, Interesting)
After looking around the market, we bought two Columbia PCs, one desktop (with an immense, never to be filled, 10 MB hard drive) and one luggable, for the same price as a single IBM PC.
The Columbia machine came with a BIOS/HW manual that documented all the various lowlevel interfaces, including the port adresses for things like the serial port and the interrupt controller, which allowed me to write a hw interrupt driver for the incoming 9600 baud OCR data stream.
Columbia was both earlier than Compaq and more compatible, but that didn't matter, they still went under a couple of years later. The PCs lived for many years however.
Terje
Re:It was Compaq that opened up the clone market (Score:2)
Re:It was Compaq that opened up the clone market (Score:2)
Not too long after that, Phoenix Technologies reverse-engineered IBM's BIOS, wrote their own, and licensed it. Result: tons of companies made PC-clones.
Re:It was Compaq that opened up the clone market (Score:2)
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Ah, the 5-slot PC... (Score:2)
Re:Ah, the 5-slot PC... (Score:2)
The 486 wasn't introduced until April 10, 1989.
Source: Intel Microprocessor Quick Reference Guide [intel.com]
Last one I saw was in 1995 (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Last one I saw was in 1995 (Score:3, Interesting)
The memory often was only 32 or 64K.
The 5160 (IBM PC XT) followed shortly after the 5150 and had a whopping 10MB Harddisk, 8 instead of 5 slots, no cassette interface, and some more memory by default.
Somewhere in 1983 (maybe early 84) we got one of those in the office, fully populated with memory (640K) and running XENIX.
It was used as a low-e
The turnaround of IBM (Score:5, Interesting)
By allowing their teams to skirt the system occasionally, we've seen truly open hardware (PowerPC) availablity, open source contributions, free training seminars for developers, etc. The 5100 was the first great example of the success that a little rule-breaking can bring to the company.
IMO, it was exactly that product and the example that it was to IBM internally that allowed IBM to do the one thing no one was entirely sure it would be able to do in the age of personal computers -- survive.
My hat's off to the improvements IBM has made in the last 25 years, and I hope that those lessons won't be forgotten over the next 25 years.
At IBM WebSite say that it born at September 1981 (Score:2, Informative)
They Don't Make 'Em Like That Anymore (Score:5, Funny)
Man, the hardware... Hewn from a single piece of purest iron those things were (literally?) bullet-proof. The keyboards would last for years before even one of those keys stopped working.
Of course, you couldn't lift them. But whilst machines now whirr away at insane speeds and generally work well their keyboards suck.
Er... that's it. Just got misty-eyed there for a second.
Re:They Don't Make 'Em Like That Anymore (Score:3, Informative)
Re:They Don't Make keyboards Like That Anymore (Score:3, Funny)
Re:They Don't Make 'Em Like That Anymore (Score:2)
Reviewers did not like the layout *at all*. For example, the swapped positions of Ctrl and Caps Lock, and the introduction of the Alt key and the strange form of Enter and the numeric keypad (combined with cursor arrows) really put them off.
The keyboards of the later AT and PS/2 systems corrected that. IMHO the early PS/2 keyboard is the best of all.
personal computing (Score:2)
Re:personal computing (Score:3, Insightful)
Most of the hobby computers could not stand up to professional daily use, and the IBM PC could.
Personal computing went from hobby computing to being a business tool.
BBC Article (Score:2, Informative)
Maths Co-Pro (Score:3, Funny)
Low End Mac, IBM, evangelists, etc. (Score:2)
Yet this story raises many other questions. How does IBM feel being famous for the most used kind of desktop processors but not being able to participate in that business anymore? How does Sony feel now its long time partner in several technologies (Apple)
Why all PC clones had two Power Supply connections (Score:3, Interesting)
Probably a crazy urban geek legend, but a cute story nonetheless.
SirWired
Re:Why all PC clones had two Power Supply connecti (Score:2)
Re:Why all PC clones had two Power Supply connecti (Score:2)
SirWired
Re:Why all PC clones had two Power Supply connecti (Score:2)
hey i've plugged a hard drive power cable the wrong way with force! that killed the drive certainly!
The great PC 'What if' (Score:2)
For alt-history buffs: "Now, here's an interesting question that looks back 25 years: What if IBM demands an exclusive license to that operating system? One of two things happens: Microsoft and IBM don't get a deal done, or Microsoft caves. Let's follow both scenarios as far as they can go:"
http://news.com.com/The+great+PC+what-if/2010-1042 _3-6102503.html?tag=fd_carsl [com.com]
Re:The great PC 'What if' (Score:2, Interesting)
So, Scenario 1: MS manage to convince HP and DEC to licence their OS. This makes two a big assumptions in the first place - That they wouldn't want to make their own s
Why is it always IBM cpus in thge 80's??? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Why is it always IBM cpus in thge 80's??? (Score:2)
ok, I'll play along. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:ok, I'll play along. (Score:2)
Eazy-E paid homage... (Score:3, Funny)
The really sad thing though (Score:2)
How many remebers the OKI 800, Commodore Pet, HP-85B, Osborne 1 or Luxor ABC80/800???
A lot of other computers has also been manufactured with different functionality. OK the bad thing was that they weren't standardized, but on the other hand, how funny is it really with all computers around running the same core hardware configuration...
Re:Does it run UBUNTU ? It must run UBUNTU !! (Score:3, Funny)
Bzzt! No five inch floppy (Score:2)
Cheers,
Dave
Re:Impact (Score:4, Interesting)
"Probably"? :-) When I was in college, Apples were 'it' for the in-school computers -- IBM hadn't developed the 'PC' yet. We still had terminals and modems for accessing the CDC mainframe, but the Apples were there, and they were all yours. No sharing, no operators, just pop in your disc and go. It was an amazing machine.
I wanted to get one for home, but my dad told me we weren't going to buy an Apple. He was waiting for the IBM home computer to come out. He said "IBM doesn't do anything half-assed. If there's a business need for it, IBM will come along and completely dominate the market. Apple will be pushed aside; they'll never make it as the mainstream computer for businesses."
I, of course, couldn't believe that for a second. Every school in the state had Apples, they were everywhere, and this IBM thing didn't even exist! How could he even think that a company with no experience in home computers would take over the market, especially since Apple was so well entrenched?
Y'know, I wish I'd listened to my dad more. He was a very, very wise man.
Re:Impact (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Impact (Score:2)
Re:Impact (Score:2)
I don't think so, for the same reason CP/M failed in the original IBM-PC market. Apple's OS doesn't offer that much in comparison to Linux to justify the price.
Re:Impact (Score:2)
Half of Apple had good business sense extending from his engineering expertise. Unfortunately that half got disenchanted with arguing with the other half, got in a plane wreck that injured him significantly and made him rethink his l
Re:The article misses important details. . . (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually, had PC clones not emerged, Microsoft would have been relegated to the scrapheap of history as just another vendor of a BASIC interpreter. And a fairly crappy BASIC at that.
However, once the clones emerged, MS had it made. IBM was certainly not prepared to put in the engineering work to make PC-DOS run on non-IBM hardware. Microsoft, however, was willing to do that work (or at least let PC OEMs pay Microsoft to teach them how to do it themselves), and offer pack-in deals. As such, IBM PCs came bundled with PC-DOS, and every other machine came bundled with MS-DOS.
Back then, just about everyone in the engineering community knew MS-DOS was shit, and would steer anyone who would listen toward PC-DOS, or Digital Research's CP/M-86 or Concurrent CP/M. However, most end-users considered MS-DOS to be "good enough," and it was "free," and they wanted to be able to run the same software they used on the real IBM PC at work on their cheap(er) clone at home. And besides any bugs were the application's fault.
Oh, and you're also forgetting what the gold standard of PC compatibility was at the time:
Microsoft Flight Simulator.
Amazing foresight? Maybe, to some degree. But in large measure Gates fell flat on his face into a pile of amazingly good luck.
Schwab
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Your story is a pack of lies.