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Sony Mylo Challenges Nokia 770 140

Posted by CmdrTaco from the lustworthy-hardware dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Tomshardware says Sony's Tiny Mylo Internet Communicator is out. "The first page of MobilityGuru's July 2006 review of Nokia's 770 WiFi powered Internet based communicator was titled "In A Class Of Its Own." One Month later the title is no longer correct. With the recent announcement of its Mylo (for My life online) personal communicator Sony joined the battle for the hearts, minds and pocketbooks of people whose major means of communication is instant messaging and Web based phone calling."" I've got a 770 on my desk right now (review forthcoming) so I'm curious to see other takes on the genre.
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  • Duh. (Score:3, Funny)

    by grumpyman ( 849537 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @12:05PM (#15920175)
    Does this Sony Mylolife preinstall with its rootkit?

    • Re:Duh. (Score:3, Funny)

      by krewemaynard ( 665044 )
      There will be three models: one with a rootkit preinstalled, one with an exploding battery, and a Premium Edition that will have both and will phone home right before it explodes.

      • Re:Duh. (Score:1, Flamebait)

        by Simon80 ( 874052 )
        I don't understand how they can compare this to the 770. The 770 has a SIP client, Mylo has a Skype client. That right there tells me what kind of device that's gonna be. Besides, Sony has a trend, make pretty hardware, and then alienate customers by treating them to shitty software.. steer clear, just stear way clear..

        • Re:Duh. (Score:2, Informative)

          by Simon80 ( 874052 )
          Flamebait? Take a look at this /.article [slashdot.org]. How about this [slashdot.org]this article on the UX180P: "The machine runs Windows XP Professional, service pack 2 (no Tablet OS for Sony, they seem allergic)". That last point was weak, but I think I've made enough of a case here: Sony makes cool hardware, and then they screw it up with the software that they ship with. If anyone is being flamebait, it's them.
  • Correct link [tomshardware.co.uk]
    • I don't get it. Why not just get a Cingular 8125 [cingular.com]? I'm failing to see any stat that's better except memory, and buying an extra Mini-SD to bring that stat up still gets you in the door cheaper than the Mylo. The screen is actually slightly larger than the Mylo (2.8 vs 2.4) and the keyboard is much better.

      In fact, I don't see why anyone would want to use a device like this that's limited to Wi-Fi networks. Wi-fi is better than cords, but you're still on a relatively short leash. My internet browsing, tex
      • So you aren't stuck with Windows Mobile, having to pay for any good tool to use on it, or installing freeware that barely works. Windows Mobile itself is alright, I've certainly been using various iterations of CE since 1997 or so. It really doesn't take advantage of a device very well. Nokia's 770 is brilliant in implementation, but doesn't have the market share.
        • So you aren't stuck with Windows Mobile, having to pay for any good tool to use on it, or installing freeware that barely works.

          The thing is, the device in question does what the Mylo does out-of-the-box without any seperate software. My view of Windows Mobile is still somewhat mixed, but the messaging, web browsing picture view and music listening have been pretty good without the hassle of getting more software.

          Caviate: The iPod succeeded where others failed because it was super easy to use and super sl
          • The smallest keyboard that's better to use than a stylus on a nokia size screen is 8" across. That would make your tablet far too big, a small device with a keyboard is overpriced and has corners cut.
          • Not really true. Windows Media Player for WinMo is quite limited in what it can do, Pocket IE still has a terrible renderer, and messaging is limited to Windows Messenger. Replacing these products costs money. Agile Messenger is the only decent multi protocol messenger, and that's a monthly fee. Opera for WinMo costs money. Minimo is coming along, but a user interface nightmare, and slower than Pocket IE. There are a few media players that are starting to become worth their salt, but that's it.

            Mylo and the
  • The keys on the keyboard are really small. I wonder how hard it is to type without having small fingers and not hitting two keys next to the one you intended to press. Reaching over to hit the Q key also looks hard.

  • Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hattig ( 47930 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @12:12PM (#15920249) Journal
    I wonder which one is better in general use. The 770's large legible crisp 800x480 colour display, or a PDA-esque 320x240 colour display. The former is good for web browsing, the latter is pretty awful. Now if Sony price it significantly lower than the 770 they might have a chance.

    Never mind it is Sony that makes it, a company that can do no good these days.
    • Never mind it is Sony that makes it, a company that can do no good these days.

      I probably won't acquire any of these devices - or anything like them - for a few more years certainly... but one thing is certain: I will never ever buy anything from them again.

      And I'm encouraging people to avoid them at all costs.

      Every little bit helps.

    • On the plus side, it'll have much better battery life than the Nokia 770. That is if the Sony battery doesn't burst in to flames at random moments.
    • Now if Sony price it significantly lower than the 770 they might have a chance.

      From TFA:
      The Mylo will be available in black or white for around $350 in September.


      Tiger Direct lists the 770 at 379. I'd say that 350 is not significantly less than 379, particularly given the clear advantages of the 770.

    • Re:Hmmm, 800x480 display vs 320x240. (Score:4, Informative)

      by schmiddy ( 599730 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @01:47PM (#15921070) Homepage Journal
      The Nokia 770 is, from what I can tell, just short of incredible -- runs Linux, nice big screen, and they've just released a new firmware. Only trouble is, for some mysterious reason, despite advertising the 770 on CNN, Nokia has strangled the supply of them. I'm absolutely baffled why they'd do this, but check Froogle [google.com] -- the only place in the US that has them in stock for a non-inflated price is TigerDirect (the AdminPal link on Froogle is misleading), and for a price of $380+shipping, a bit steep for a tablet that's more than a year old now. I've looked in vain for a B&M store carrying them. CompUSA had them listed previously for $350 with free shipping, but they were never ever in stock for either delivery or in-store pickup anywhere in the country.

      Even Nokia's USA [nokiausa.com] page has listed them as being out of stock for at least the past few weeks. I'm a bit baffled why Nokia would do this to a product that has such huge geek appeal and a lot of grassroots FOSS software ported to it. My only hypothesis is that the US cellular companies that Nokia's in bed with are trying to push their bullshit data plans, and aren't happy about the emergence of tablets with WiFi that cuts them out of $50/month subscriptions.

      Nokia, if you're listening, I'd been dying to snatch up a 770 for a reasonable price for the past few weeks, but due to your incompetence I'm settling for an Axim which is cheaper, faster, smaller.. but with Windows Mobile bullshit that offsets those advantages.
    • That was exactly what I was going to point out. The REASON I love my Nokia 770 is because of the easy to view screen. I read books on it all the time.

      I looked at the Mylo, which is to be priced the same as the Nokia, but the screen is just way too small for what I want.

    • no por mio (Score:4, Informative)

      by smartfart ( 215944 ) * <joey@joe[ ]lly.net ['yke' in gap]> on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @03:42PM (#15921954) Homepage Journal
      There is no way I'd buy one of these... the screen's about half the size of the 770, the whole thing is laid out like a game console, and it's made by Sony. Three strikes in my book... I'm keeping rebekah (my 770), thanks.

      Oh, and RTFA says that it's got about a third the functionality of a 770, to boot. Ugh.

  • Umm, good? (Score:3, Funny)

    by saihung ( 19097 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @12:13PM (#15920254)
    The strongest competitor in a market segment that no one wants and where no one is buying. Bravo, Sony? On the same note, I've just designed what may be the world's best hydraulic pogo stick. I'll be rich!

    • Re:Umm, good? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by mauricef ( 995808 )
      Well, I don't think "no one wants" an internet tablet. I want it at least. My Palm Zire 72 and iPod both recently died. I was desperately looking to find a new device to unite the functions of my PDA, iPod, and phone anyway, so I wouldn't have to wear cargo pants or a messenger bag constantly just to carry all my electronics. The Nokia 770 is by far my "dream machine" and I'm buying one as soon as my next paycheck comes. It's $50 less than a Palm Zire equipped with WiFi, only $50 more than a video iPod, has

      • As a graphic design student who needs the ability to draw, sketch, and show his digital artwork on the go, who would rather type than write notes for classes, who deeply distrusts cellular providers, and who has wireless internet coverage at school, work, home, and all his favorite hangout spots, I think the Nokia 770 is ideal.

        Draw and sketch on a Nokia 770?! It's too small for that, IMHO.

        I've actually got the same needs as you (although I'm drawing diagrams instead, since I'm an engineering student), but

  • Comparable? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by juuri ( 7678 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @12:13PM (#15920259) Homepage
    Hardly.

    Nokia: 800x480 screen resolution.
    Mylo: 320x240 screen resolution.

    When will these companies learn to view the modern web with any sort of comfort you need, at the very least 640x480.

    • Re:Comparable? (Score:2, Troll)

      by garcia ( 6573 )
      The Sony device is a direct knock off of the various other devices on the market already like the T-mobile branded MDA. It looks *just* like it (many other providers offer this phone but call it different things). Wooo for "innovation".

      When will these companies learn to view the modern web with any sort of comfort you need, at the very least 640x480.

      The Nokia 770 has no keyboard while this Sony device does. When will these companies learn to *interact* with the modern web with any sort of comfort you nee
      • The problem is pocket-size + good sized screen. HTC Universal is close, but it just fails on "pocket sized" for me.

      • 770 has a keyboard (Score:4, Insightful)

        by wowbagger ( 69688 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @12:59PM (#15920671) Homepage Journal
        The 770 has a keyboard - you can either use the onscreen keypad with the stylus, use handwriting recognition with the stylus, or use a full-screen keypad with your thumbs.

        Why would I *want* to have a fold-out keyboard (one more moving part to break) to access itty-bitty keys (more breakable things)?

        And lastly - if you *want* a real keyboard, get a Bluetooth keyboard and you are all set.
        • The onscreen keyboard sucks. It's tiny, suffers from input errors often enough to be frustrating, and switching it on and off for use often causes random data in the input strings.

          Also the bluetooth keyboard isn't standard, it's a hack, and only a few will work with it. Do I want a fold out keyboard? YES!!! Give me something like the sidekick's and I'd be happy.

          Also remember that the onscreen keyboard obscures at least half the screen. (I haven't tried the bigger one, because the new OS version breaks more

          • Re: "dropping all support" - WTF? (Score:4, Insightful)

            by wowbagger ( 69688 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:44PM (#15923254) Homepage Journal
            Dropping all development support for it however was a bad idea.


            What do you mean, "dropping all development support"? They just released a new software image, the maemo.org site is very active, the Nokia developers are regularly posting both to the Nokia forums as well as to the freedesktop forums for both basic X as well as Cairo and GTK.

            If that is "dropping all development support" then I would certainly like to see what you consider active development.

            And as for you assertion that
            ...the new OS version breaks more things than it fixed....
            - again, I don't know quite what you mean. If you mean "many packages are not available for the new build" - then yes, but most of them have been ported. Or do you mean the second 2005 code drop - which was buggy, and was replaced by the 2006 image. Otherwise, I have the IT2006 build loaded, and it improved many things and I haven't really found anything that it "broke". Please give specifics.

            • When the new version of the OS came out on the Nokia site, I DL'd it. I got the timezone bug (Where my clock would only give me Finland time) and all support for my T-Mobile phone was gone. So I reflashed the previous version. Now unless Nokia recently put up a new image on the USA website, then no, Nokia hasn't released anything.

              I don't care what is on any other site at the OS level, because that's NOT Nokia's official release, and Nokia will not support it, or be responsible if it ruins the device (accord
            • I went to the website last night and saw that Nokia did indeed release a new version of the OS at the end of last month. So I was wrong, there is a new release. Hopefully this will work better than the old one, I know it paired with my phone easily (I haven't checked the timezone thing yet). So my Apologies, I was wrong.
        • It has bluethoot, doesn't it?

          If so, can a bluethoot keyboad be used with it? I saw some nice looking, and small, bluetooth keyboards out there... and they would be a perfect match for the i770.
          • Yes, the system can use a Bluetooth keyboard - in fact I have a very nice one I carry for when I need to do a lot of shell work.

            The "keyboards" that don't implement the Bluetooth keyboard protocol, and rather implement some bastard non-standard fake serial protocol don't work as well, but then again, if the manufacturer of the keyboard cannot be bothered to actually read the Bluetooth standards and implement the correct profile, then who needs their product.
        • It all depends on what you need. I have had a 770 since January, and generally like it. Unfortunately, it is too slow, and data entry is painful. The keyboard options on screen are insufficient for me, and handwriting recognition is a pain. I do have a bluetooth keyboard, but it's an extra thing to have to carry around so I usually avoid it.

          My wish for Nokia is to improve the browser, and port Maemo to the E61 (or is it E60). I know it would have lots of problems (maemo user interface issues at a diffe
      • The new Nokia 770 2006 OS has a Soft keyboard that is the size of the screen for easy pressing with your fingers.
    • When will these companies learn to view the modern web with any sort of comfort you need, at the very least 640x480.

      When will modern web designers learn to make pages that can be read comfortably (if not always exactly in line with their design strategies) at any resolution, no matter how low.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by jc42 ( 318812 )
        When will modern web designers learn to make pages that can be read comfortably at any resolution, no matter how low.

        Well, considering that HTML was designed to work this way from the start, and web developers insist on spending a great deal of time defeating this and forcing web pages to have large sizes, I'd way the answer is "Never."

        Any web developer that intends to make their pages usable on small screens (or by vision-impaired clients) knows how easy it is, and is already doing it. The remainder have
  • Sony joined the battle for the hearts, minds and pocketbooks of people whose major means of communication is instant messaging and Web based phone calling.
    (emphasis mine)

    You forgot soul.

    Oh wait, I forgot that people who use text messaging as a primary means of communication don't have souls. My bad.

  • Why? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by OSSRocks ( 572015 )
    Why would sony release something like this and NOT release a generation 2 PSP with all of this capability? :( not that the PSP is the greatest thing ever but still why have to handhelds like this and not one kick ass one that has all this.. ?
  • I can buy a PSP with that? Why not just release a UMD with Skype/other IM software?
    • :read:
      Mmm, it looks like a cut down version of my HTC Wizard. :shrug:
    • I've heard from a few people who've tried using the PSP's web browser that inputting text is a pain in the ass. And since browsing the web and communicating is the primary usage of a device like that, they'd have to device some sort of keyboard or touchscreen for the PSP.

      I'm guessing that's why you're seeing an entirely new product.
  • the Mylo has two advantages over the nokia, the ability to play wma secured(if you can call that an advantage), and increased battery life(still in need of independant real world testing).

    No touch screen, a keyboard only a teenager can use(good thing they designed it for teenagers), limited image formats, smaller screen siz & resolution, etc.

    Just another product in search of a market.

    • TFA is a 404 at the moment, so I haven't R'd it, but:

      The reason I have a '770 is that it runs Linux + X11, and so is easy to develop for, making it an ideal testbed for prototyping mobile applications. I can't see a Sony device competing there, considering how much they tend to lock down their hardware.

  • Already done, but better (Score:3, Insightful)

    by The_Pariah ( 991496 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @12:22PM (#15920358)
    Too bad you can do the same thing, AND get a phone, with plenty of the PDA-based cell phones (smart phones). And spend the same amount of money on the hardware.

    Palm Trio, Motorola Q, etc.... And you don't have to be near a free/open WiFi spot.

    Next to UMD and Betamax, Worst....Sony....Product....Ever

    • Palm Trio, Motorola Q, etc.... And you don't have to be near a free/open WiFi spot.

      Or get a XV6700/PPC6700/etc [mobiletechreview.com] (all HTC Apache variants) and get WiFi ...and camera...to boot. I got mine a month ago and, while it took a bit of getting used to, its pretty damn near a complete communicator. I think it might even give Spock gadget envy. (Tho it does run WinMobile).

      I nearly picked up the 770, but wo/ a camera or phone, it just doesn't seem worth the $350 (tho the various announcements [internettablettalk.com] wrt hooking up with

  • If someone wants an IM device then surely there are plenty of pocket pc models capable of working with a hotspot. Some even have a thumbboard or can be connected to a mini keyboard. And the same goes for phone devices (e.g. Blackberry). This Sony thing seems kind of stupid really.

    Besides, why didn't they stick this functionality into the PSP. A PSP costs nearly half what this Mylo does. I'm sure a revamped PSP could feature a thumb board, or a connector to stick one on. This in addition to being able to p

    • And WiFi, and a user-tweakable operating system (could even be Linux), and SD/MMC support, and a touch-sensitive screen. I'm not sure the PSP needs a real keyboard; something like Palm's Graffitti (or whatever they spell it) and virtual keyboard are sufficient to me. If I want to type real long texts, I just go use a desktop instead.
    • Sony dumped the PSP keyboard a few weeks back. Which was one of the reasons I bought a PSP in the first place. There was talk of a keyboard, and an office productivity suite... well guess what? I am now stuck with a device full of promise, but now just collects dust. Shame on Sony. I hesitated on buying a DS for months... finally caved and once the Opera browser hits I will be 1000% more satisified with my DS than my PSP. Props to Nintendo. Now I have to find a way to sell a dusty old PSP. For me the
  • So does this device have the rootkit built in, or do you still need to buy Sony Music separately?
  • Nokia 770 allows for wireless keyboards via Bluetooth, and hence real typing. Mylo is destine to be doomed for lack of ergonomics: bad viewing and bad typing.
  • does it run Linux?

  • 770 challenger? I think not. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DemonWeeping ( 849974 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @12:36PM (#15920482) Homepage
    I've been blogging [blogspot.com] about the 770 since shortly after it's release and know it pretty intimately. the Mylo has no chance as a direct competitor. The 800x480 touchscreen just isn't there on the Mylo. Neither is Bluetooth or (a hackable) USB host port. The 770 is for mobile web browsing. The Mylo is for teens and tweens who want to chat with their buddies after their mothers told them to go to bed.

    Really... saying the Mylo is a competitor to the Nokia 770 is like saying a Honda Fit is a competitor to a Rolls Royce. Sure, they're both cars. Sure, it's not likely people will own both. The target markets, however, are very different.

    I have a new UMPC blog [ultramobilegeek.com], by the way. Therein is a four part head-to-head comparison of the TabletKiosk eo UMPC and the Nokia 770.
    • Ironically it'd be like getting a Rolls Royce for just $20 more :-)
  • Few people today use devices of this type, especially as compared to the use of mobile phones. Now however that Nokia has a direct competitor in another industry giant, consumers will see alternatives among the features the devices offer. This means that more people are likely to become consumers of these types of devices, leading to market acceptance and therefore to even greater diversity amonst services and features. Eventually there should be something for everybody, but this probably lies a generation
  • I spend a lot of time on public transportation in the Seattle area. They have wifi on the ferries and it's being rolled out as a trial on certain bus routes. All this is good news because I want to do a little surfing, chatting, and email while I'm riding. I was excited to see the Nokia and the Sony products coming to market, but I couldn't justify the purchase price for something my phone will do, albiet with a clunky interface. I also refuse to carry a laptop. I had given up, until I heard about Oper

  • Much too small (Score:4, Insightful)

    by maynard ( 3337 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @12:42PM (#15920541) Journal
    and the resolution sucks. Which brings up a few points: recently /. had an article on the Samsung Q1 vs. the Newton MP 2100 [slashdot.org], i.e. a modern UMPC vs. a ten year old brick with great software. Both the Nokia 770 and the Q1 offer nice 800x480 color screens, WiFi, USB, Bluetooth, etc. The Newton has two pcmcia slots which can take cards to offer similar i/o capabilities.

    So, other than predictable hardware improvements over the last ten years, why is it that both the Linux handheld 770 and XP Tablet edition Q1 suck so bad at the software? It just seems like we're taking a huge step back in usability in order to gain that "convergence" factor between desktop and handheld. Is it really worth it? After looking at the Newton and comparing it to these competitors, my feeling is that Mameo on the 770 and XP on the Q1 just don't come close to meeting the functionality of a handheld. Convergence seems not worth the trouble. Desktop PCs will always be faster than a handheld, and software bloat always seems to meet -- and exceed -- recent hardware advances. When will handhelds ever have the CPU horsepower to "converge" with their desktop brethren?

    The Newton is dead. Documentation and source at Apple are long lost. Perhaps a good alternative would be a small system based on Smalltalk using Squeak. Better yet if it could be hacked paint directly to the framebuffer, rather than using X on the handheld.

    *shrug* - just a thought.
     
    • The Newton is dead.

      Newtons never die, they just get new batteries. And then they [tow.com] get [mac.com] new [newtontalk.net] hardware [chuma.org].
      • I'm not too impressed with the viability of Einstien [kallisys.com] as it will always (and can only be) a black and white interface with sixteen shades of grey. The Newton never had internal color support. Without source code (or even real internals documentation) this won't change. I should have noted that I ebayed a Message Pad 2100 and recently compared it with the 770. I love the 770 hardware, but boy does its Linux gnome based interface suck. If you thought gnome was unwieldily as a desktop, try it in a handheld. A 2
  • Well, if you want to hack around the nokia has an sdk so you can write your own software. I'm betting the sony is a closed system, where you can web browse but I bet you can't run your own software on it. The same problem the ps3 will have, now that MS is releasing an sdk for making games on both xboxlive and pc, with a system for sharing. But the nokia is even better, its all for free, so you have not just a gadget, but a software platform.
    • I'm betting the sony is a closed system, where you can web browse but I bet you can't run your own software on it.
      I'm betting you didn't read the article, where they discuss the Mylo's support for the open-source Qtopia platform and the open-spec (and soon-to-be-open-source) Java platform.

  • "Mylo" when voiced in Russian (had /. been able to handle Unicode properly, I'd even write it here) means "soap." It is a bit amusing that a phone does look its Russian name...

  • ... not only will it root your box but, afterwards, the battery will burst into flames.

    Sounds like an old Mission Impossible episode ...
  • Sure it doesn't have a gigantic screen, not does it have high res but it can playback videos at 30fps at 320*240 in Mpeg4 which is more than you can say for the 770.
    It also comes with 1 gig of flash ram, plus expansion port.
    Nevermind that you don't look as dorky making a SIP call with this thing as you do with your 770 against your ear.
    If they deliver gmail compatibility, IM, video playback, SIP etc... this thing might well challenge the 770 and other gadgets a little more than you think.

    Wi-FI sip phones ar
    • What *is* clear is that you don't have a 770 because nearly every comment you made about the 770 is false.

      You can play videos at CIF.
      http://www.internettablettalk.com/content/view/156 /2/ [internettablettalk.com]

      You can use the 770 like a speaker phone quite nicely with the Gizmo software.

      It doesn't have a lot of built in memory but it is sufficient. You can also expand the flash memory via the RS-MMC port.

      You can also connect it to a specially powered USB hub and connect USB media/peripherals not to mention Bluetooth peripherals.

      B
      • You can also connect it to a specially powered USB hub and connect USB media/peripherals

        Does the 770 now have USB host capabilities with the latest OS release? In the past, the only thing USB was good for was connecting the tablet to a PC for file tranfers.

        • This is not somethign new to the new OS version. Right from the start, with the flasher software (or with a /proc hack) you could switch the USB port to host mode.

          The trick is that the USB chip and port are not powered from the internal battery so you have to supply power through the USB cable as if it were a client. There are simple wiring hacks detailed to do this to make a special USB cable or you can just use a USB gender changer to connect the 770 to the host side of a powered USB hub and some cheap hu
          • Then go back and read what you just wrote.

            It's not a selling point.

            Great for people willing to hack and muck around, but for someone who just wants to connect a USB keyboard (yes, I know Nokia believes bluetooth is the future) or a thumb drive, they'll look elsewhere.

            • I fully admit that what I described is not a selling point for the vast majority ... there a dozens of other selling points that would appeal to the general public. I was just answering your question. If you need something that acts as a USB host out of the box for most devices then the 770 is certainly not ideal. You are best to look elsewhere. However, you likely won't find it in Sony's offering and it will likely be 4-5x the cost like the OQO. However, if the market was big enough, it would be a no-brain
  • Too many proprietary formats (memory stick, mini-discs), too rigid with the "security" of the device (PSP), too many root-kits, and in general over-priced compared to the competition.

    The only Sony gadget I have is a PSP, and I am wishing I had a DS.
  • This seems ridiculous to me. I get that wi-fi has some advantages and I think it's great that it supports internet based phone calls but what about when I'm not near a wifi connection? Wouldn't it make more sense to at least include an option to have standard service? I'd be interested in getting a phone like this if I could use it with my Cingular service. Let it use wi-fi when it can find a connection and Cingular when it has to.

    Another downside of it not supporting standard mobile service is that no mo
  • it takes pictures, plays music, plays videos, browses the web.. everything that a midrange mobile phone would do. So why not just buy the phone and avoid carrying around excess gadgets?
  • Here's a short comparison [redferret.net] I made between the two products with a side by side specification chart of them both. The Sony comes out somewhat weaker in many areas.

  • Lets hope Sony gets right what Nokia got wrong.. (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The Nokia 770 (250 MHZ ARM-based CPU w/ 64MB RAM) uses a hildon + gnome desktop. it's a really poor choice because their implementation of gnome is bloated/slow where the 770 only needs a basic lightweight app selector. it does not take much to drag down performance on a 770 because of gnome being on it. ive seen it. if they used something other than hildon + gnome for the gui, something like photon or whatever, people would buy them in droves.

  • Another closed device ? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by S3D ( 745318 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @03:13PM (#15921754)
    I don't see any plans for free SDK, or open developers community, no support for open source and freeware applications. It's not even close to Trolltech Geenphone [slashdot.org].
  • Why? Because the Nokia 770 has pretty much become junk. Yes it's a nice piece of hardware, yes it has a nice screen. But the software on it sucks, there is no support, no new releases (the last new release broke more than it fixed) in short, Nokia could care less about supporting it. The 770 showed a lot of promise, Nokia could have (but didn't) released a keyboard for it (the on screen one sucks, lots of issues).

    I bought the 770 5 months ago to for a special use. Now that the use is over it'll never come o

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