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Vista Startup Sound to be Mandatory?

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the any-sound-you-want-as-long-as-it's-this-one dept.

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Toreo asesino writes "There has been lots of debate in the past few days over Microsoft's plan to make the startup sound in Windows Vista something that can't be specifically silenced by changing the sound settings in the control panel. Users would be able to avoid hearing it by manually turning down the speaker volume, but then they would have to turn that volume back up to hear anything else."

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that's only the half of it (5, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020883)

wait until everyone learns that the new start up sound is the microsoft eula, read out loud, in nonrepeating segments

Re:that's only the half of it (5, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020894)

10,000 quatloos to the writer of the first virus that replaces the sound with a clip of a pig squealing.

Re:that's only the half of it (5, Funny)

theskipper (461997) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021029)

Followed by the sound of windows breaking.

Re:that's only the half of it (2, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021034)

Bonus if you can throw in Ballmer giving the order to "squeal like a piggie".

Re:that's only the half of it (3, Funny)

TheOtherChimeraTwin (697085) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020947)

Nope, you've got that wrong. It is actually my favorite song [geocities.com] , so I'm going to upgrade right away!

Re:that's only the half of it (3, Funny)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020977)

Inciting a riot is a serious criminal offense, I doubt they'd go that far.

Subliminal Advertising (3, Funny)

Lord Prox (521892) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021065)

[tinfoil hat]
I'll take a stab here and say that it will contain a subliminal message...
  • to buy other "Guniune Microsoft" products
  • piracy is theft
  • open source is communist
  • windows save you time
  • windows saves you money
  • windows is faster/better/cheaper than linux
  • Macintosh will never catch on

After a while they will begin leasing out the SubLim ad slot to Microsoft Prefered Partners via the windows update function every tuesday.
[/tinfoil hat]




Place a curse on Microsoft [i-curse.com]

sigh (1)

ldspartan (14035) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020884)

That's the dumbest idea... ever. Hurrah. At least its not the corporation I work for doing it.

Horrible idea, but thats par for the course for MS (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020885)

This is a typical case of product-focused vs. user-focused thinking.

Has it occured to anyone that a user might just wake up early morning and wants to turn on his/her computer without waking up sleeping family members?

For this very reason one of the first setup steps I always do on a new machine is to turn off the startup sign.

your comment is going to upset Steve B. (-1, Troll)

muszek (882567) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021024)

Where did you get get idea of them giving a flying fuck about your family members?

Re:Horrible idea, but thats par for the course for (5, Insightful)

Aeiri (713218) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021031)

Has it occured to anyone that a user might just wake up early morning and wants to turn on his/her computer without waking up sleeping family members?

Just today I walked into the "Maximum Quiet Study Area" for our univerisity's library, and popped open my laptop and turned it on. My gkrellm instance sounded my "alert" sound (which is actually very rare, the load was too high from the boot apparently), and I rushed to hit the mute button.

The startup sound on Vista would be before any multimedia keys are registered if it's at all like XP is, and that wouldn't have worked. Laptop speakers don't have volume control!

If Vista does require this, and I hear someone turn on their laptop with "welcome to Windows Vista!", I'm going to throw their laptop out a window, no pun intended.

Bong (2, Funny)

ebsf1 (689864) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020887)

Bing!

Re:Bong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020950)

Dude, you just incited a total flashback. There was a disk copy program for the Commodore 64 that would alert you when one side was finished (and it was time to swap disks, or flip them over if you were lucky enough to have two drives) by playing this loud "BONG! ... BING! ... BONG! ... BING!" at you. It was really annoying, but pretty successful at getting your attention. Handy at copy-parties.

Their operating system, their choice. (4, Insightful)

eyegee88 (826176) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020889)

Seems the least of our worries, we'll just await the first hack that makes sure the sample doesnt play.

Re:Their operating system, their choice. (3, Funny)

dayid (802168) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020988)

...so can I still run windows on all my machines that don't have any speakers because they're office/production machines with no need for it or are they going to require a soundcard and speakers to run it?

Re:Their operating system, their choice. (1)

eyegee88 (826176) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021080)

No, you will have to buy the Microsoft Certified Soundcard Quality Service (c) license, that allows you to mute the sound, so it wont check for a plugged in sound device through a suparsekret windows API :(

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020890)

Why would you want this "feature"?

hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020892)

Can't you just insert a blank wavfile in it the place of the startup sound?

Re:hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020966)

lol not if Trusted Computing has anything to say about doing such a thing, criminal!

I hope this debate is a joke (1, Insightful)

matchewg (669643) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020893)

Wait a second.. Does anyone actually care about this?

Re:I hope this debate is a joke (5, Insightful)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020908)

I think the fact that Microsoft considers this a feature worthy of pushing shows how trivial "enhancements" to Windows have become at this point. They're not bothering to fix what really needs fixing.

Re:I hope this debate is a joke (5, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021015)

I think the fact that Microsoft considers this a feature worthy of pushing shows how trivial "enhancements" to Windows have become at this point.

It's just a marketing exercise.

Quite smart, really - you generate a lot of hype about something absolutely trivial and get the user community, blogs, forums etc all hyped up. Then you implement the trivially pointless feature you've managed to convince people to really want, and proudly announce that you're responsive to your customers needs.

Then you can get quietly back to locking them out from their own data with proprietary formats and DRM.

How to turn it off.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020896)

Delete or Rename the file? or has that functionality not made it into the filesystem yet?

Re:How to turn it off.. (5, Insightful)

FLEB (312391) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020968)

File?

No, I imagine it'll involve subtly hacking a grafted-on Windows 2000 version of NTOSKRNL.DLL while fending off the frothing-at-the-mouth system-file protection and changing HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\SystemEnhanc ementLayer\{0092-02D1-26E5-0990}\Security\Initiali zationProtocolIsTrue to 210 (decimal), then making sure never to install any patches.

Re:How to turn it off.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16021017)

The wav file is hardcoded into the kernel.

Copying the Mac again... (4, Interesting)

MacDork (560499) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020897)

The Mac startup sound has always been mandatory. Don't like it? Plug in your headphones for a second... The stuff that makes front page these days *sigh*

Re:Copying the Mac again... (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020923)

that rom based and is like the bios beep on a pc. If there is a error you hear a different sound.

Re:Copying the Mac again... (2, Interesting)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020926)

If that's any indication of the design of the rest of the system, it sounds awfully braindead to me. Computers are supposed to work *for* you, not against you.

Re:Copying the Mac again... (4, Funny)

sfe_software (220870) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020978)

If that's any indication of the design of the rest of the system, it sounds awfully braindead to me. Computers are supposed to work *for* you, not against you.

I see you are new to Microsoft products. Your sig seems to state otherwise, but since you still seem to believe that your computer should work for you, rather than for Microsoft, you obviously have yet to experience any Microsoft product in action.

I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who has to experience Windows for the first time, especially if they are used to any other OS...

Re:Copying the Mac again... (4, Informative)

jevvim (826181) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020949)

The Mac startup sound has always been mandatory.

Only if you haven't muted audio. If you mute the audio output and then reboot (or shutdown and then power on), you won't hear the power-on chime.

Re:Copying the Mac again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020961)

Only if you haven't muted audio. If you mute the audio output and then reboot (or shutdown and then power on), you won't hear the power-on chime.
that doesn't always work. What you have to do, at least on powerbooks, is to hold down the mute button while pushing the power button.

There's another way, which is to run something that causes the volume setting in nvram to be set to 0. I used to do this by booting Linux.

Re:Copying the Mac again... (1)

eldepeche (854916) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020984)

Actually, if my MacBook, or my old iBook, is muted when I turn it off, the startup bong does not sound.

Mac has a "nice" startup sound (3, Interesting)

Seng (697556) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020996)

The Mac startup sound is also a nice short chord.

Microsoft's startup sounds have a length half as long as a standard symphony performance. The way Microsoft works, anything "unique" to them is going to be over the top and annoying to boot.

Re:Mac has a "nice" startup sound (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021067)

This is an excellent point. As much as I don't like my computers beeping, chiming or clanging, it's short and happens only once. And it only takes one click in the sound preference to disable the standard user interface sounds, so that's easy to kill.

I usually have my sound system turned off, and I rarely reboot, so I'm usually never aware of the chime. The only time I bother with sound is when I want to play a video.

Re:Copying the Mac again... (1)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021038)

On my rev. A iMac G5, the startup sound actually plays through the built-in speakers whether or not I have headphones plugged in...

Of course, it would probably work with a PC...

Re:Copying the Mac again... (5, Informative)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021051)

It is NOT mandatory.

Turn down your sound (in the OS X volume control), or mute your speakers.

Restart.

Tada! No startup sound.

There are also applications and Applescripts that will do it automatically for you:
http://alphaomega.software.free.fr/startupchimesto pper/Startup%20Chime%20Stopper.html [software.free.fr]
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031 005165919533 [macosxhints.com]
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/16780 [macupdate.com]

By the way, the Apple startup sound is more akin to the PC Bios Boot-Beep. It's a hardware test, and it will play a different sound if there is a video card failure or ram failure, something which prevents the system from reaching the GUI.

Re:Copying the Mac again... (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021094)

All it sounds like to me is a great way to get kicked out of a class.

Re:Copying the Mac again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16021095)

Huh? Are you kidding? None of my macs in my computer labs (over 100 machines) chime when I turn them on. I have to remember what preference was set to do stop it. I pushed the setting to them from our LDAP server.

What in the world? (4, Insightful)

SuperMog2002 (702837) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020898)

Do they seriously think annoying the users who care enough about their systems to turn off the Windows startup sound in the first place is really a good idea?

you can always... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020900)

You can always replace the startup.wav file with Homer going "DOH!"

Why? (0, Redundant)

l1nuXB0X (895667) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020902)

Why? What would be the reasoning behind this?

Re:Why? (1)

shark72 (702619) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020953)

"Why? What would be the reasoning behind this?"

The reasoning is explained pretty well in the article.

Feature? (1)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020903)

I guess its a feature Microsoft are going to make sure you get what you paid for!

Broadcasters will object (4, Informative)

jleq (766550) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020904)

They will have to come up with some kind of way to turn it off. The majority of broadcast automation applications still run on Windows. When I worked at KDKD, we had all the on-air PCs set to "No Sounds"... It's always funny to hear a Windows sound on the radio.

Bottom line (5, Insightful)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020905)

Here's the bottom line: If you have to ask the question, "Should the user be able to change this?" then the answer is: YES.

Just . . . don't . . . get . . . it (3, Insightful)

crumbz (41803) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020906)

I try and try not to be ovelry criticize Microsoft, such as wasting shareholder dollars on Zune, but mandatory startup sounds for Vista? Talk about branding for the sheer point of making people associate your brand with irritation. Manually turning down the volume each time, say in a library or lab, is the work around? Huh?

  At least the article references Ze...

Well, now... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020907)

This is certainly stupid... but not as dumb as I've ever heard. check this out: http://www.aolcommunicator.com/ [aolcommunicator.com]

Pheeew! (1)

debilo (612116) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020909)

Okay, what a relief! For a second, I thought I was actually reading a story dedicated to a startup sound in an operating system, on a major news site. You nearly got me there, CowboyNeal!

Re:Pheeew! (1)

elzurawka (671029) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021035)

Since when is slashdot a "Major news site"? Thats news to me. Its a bit TECHNOLOGY related website, and last time i looked, m$ was one of the biggest players in that game. So when they lock in a annoying, and possible very disruptive feature into their OS, i think that is News.

if you want real "news" go to here [bbc.co.uk] or here [www.cbc.ca] , not here [slashdot.org]

Sorry (1)

WatchTheTramCarPleas (970756) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020910)

This will put an end to that "(insert name here), you really know how to turn me on" joke.

um, I dont think so (3, Funny)

xamomike (831092) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020911)

I really don't think this is gonna happen.. even if it does, it's a matter of hours before someone else hacks the startup processes to modify it. Besides, if the sound makes the sound of sucking $$$ out of my wallet, it might be perfect for Vista.

reasoning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020914)

Okay, instead of just being critical of the standpoint they are taking with the startup sounds - how about that we find reasons to defend it? Makes for a more interesting and indepth line of thinking I would think.

I am personally drawing a blank on this subject, I can not imagine why they would want to make such a thing mandatory. But I am sure there are other people in this community that will have an understanding of this and be willing to share said understanding.

Re:reasoning? (1)

FLEB (312391) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020985)

Branding. Just in case you forget that the computer you're using is running Windows.

Re:reasoning? (1)

Dorceon (928997) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021028)

As long as they don't resort to the other kind of branding. I don't want my PC to scan my burned-in barcode to let me log in.

Re:reasoning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16021053)

But if I begin to forget what O/S I am using (Seeing as it is so proudly displayed upon start up), then what is there to stop me from remembering what that sound is suppose to tell me? Except that "my machine is now booting up". The branding argument can't be a very good one with that in mind, can it?

What's the point? (0, Redundant)

martinultima (832468) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020915)

Seriously, what do they hope to achieve from this?

I think you've all been trolled (2, Interesting)

Neop2Lemus (683727) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020916)

This is clearly a hoax.

Imagine an office where I can't expose people to the happy sound of elephants trumpeting every time I boot my PC?

Perhaps... (5, Funny)

punkrocher (775394) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020924)

It will be something along the lines of this? [youtube.com]

Re:Perhaps... (1)

IWannaBeAnAC (653701) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021014)

Heh, fantastic!

Re:Perhaps... (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021050)

Cool, thanks for sharing.

More Power to the People !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020925)

So VOTE REPUBLICAN !! which means VOTE MICROSOFT !! which means Do WHAT IT WANTS !! (you will be glad you did)

Must...resist...can't... (1)

bozendoka (739643) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020930)

You can turn on your Vista machine, go eat some cereal,
take out the trash, walk the dog, wash your car, check the mail,
while your machine is cold booting...

Seriously, though, you know what this makes me think of?

SAAAAYYYY-GAAAAAHHHHH

apologies to everyone who's going to hear that sound for the next week...

It's my computer, let me silence it (5, Insightful)

amigabill (146897) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020943)

It's my freakin computer, you better let me silence it if I wish. Maybe I don't want to irritate people in a cafe, lobby, waiting room, whatever with noises coming from my laptop. Maybe I just don't want an "I'm ready to be used" noise. Maybe I don't care if you think it's convenient. Maybe I dont care if you think it's cool or pretty sounding. Maybe I just want the stupid thing to be quiet.

And Xbox or Playstation are not good excuses, those are for a different market. There's also a number of people out there using mod chips to regain control of those things if they don't like some decisions from the manufacturer. Just because my Xbox makes a startup noise doesn't mean that I want it to. And just because some Engineer at Microsoft or Sony decided their toy for kids should make a startup noise does not mean I want to hear it on my laptop, tower, or anything at the office in the morning.

Re:It's my computer, let me silence it (1, Insightful)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020967)

It's not really your computer. I mean, it's your hardware. Unless it isn't running Windows. In which case you're a dirty pirate, even if you plan on running Linux. And then when you run Windows the software isn't yours. It's yours to borrow as long as you follow the EULA (which apparently includes listening to the startup sound now) and pay new monthly fee. Oh, you didn't hear about that new feature?

Re:It's my computer, let me silence it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16021041)

I agree. And to all those who say "just turn down the volume", I'd like to point out that on my laptop, the volume control keys (including the mute key) do nothing until *after* the OS & appropriate driver has loaded. Which means "just mute it" doesn't work.

*sigh* yet another reason why my next computer will be a Mac (dual-booting Linux). From what I've heard, although the Mac sound can't be changed, it can be muted.

Delete it (1)

acoustix (123925) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020951)

Delete the wav file. Or replace it with a sound you want. Problem solved. However, it still is a stupid move if Microsoft decides to do this.

Nick

Don't delete it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16021011)

1. Replace it with a file that causes a buffer overflow in the windows sound system and takes over the system.

2. Add that file as the deployment data for your favorite virus/exploit code.

3. ???

4. Profit!

Microsoft took a step forward by taking out autorun in the name of security. Now they take two steps back with this 'autosound' nonsense.

Re:Delete it (1)

aesiamun (862627) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021027)

What if Microsoft went as far as the encode the sound in the actual code of vista? That way it can't be changed without a patch. If brand was so important to them, i would imagine that they would go that far. I have no knowledge if this is true or not, but that would stop people from "deleting the wav file" or replacing it or whatever.

Wielding a hex editor would prove to have very interesting results though :)

Re:Delete it (1)

koa (95614) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021044)

How do you know they wont embed the encoded audio waveform directly into the kernel? It could be one of those uses for DRM encryption that they implement just for the fun of it.

Or they could keep it just a pointer to a .wav file like were used to.... I'm not conspiracy theorist here, but if they are willing to even have the conversation to make the startup sound mandatory, its not a stretch to think that at they also considered ways to make it more difficult to change...

I guess we'll see...

Captian Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020952)

"...manually turning down the speaker volume, but then they would have to turn that volume back up to hear anything else."

No shit, Sherlock...

"Hello Computer" - Scotty, Star Trek IV. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020954)

You will not, however, be required to speak into your mouse,
or input the formula for transparent aluminum.

- The 'Enter you Checking Account Number' Start up screen will confuse a few users,
but Microsoft must verify your identity and make sure to enforce the Genuine Advantage of Microsoft.

Why discuss this. (0, Redundant)

guibaby (192136) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020960)

Five minutes after the product release, someone will have figured out how to turn the sound off, regardless of microsofts wishes.

Gnome (1)

keesh (202812) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020964)

Nice to see Microsoft taking user interface design tips from the Gnome guys. We all know that users don't want to be able to change things anyway.

Re:Gnome (1)

DoubleRing (908390) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021037)

I'm not sure whether or not you're joking with the Gnome part, but you know that you can change everything from startup sounds, and splash screens to ui themes? Why else are there sites like http://www.gnome-look.org/ [gnome-look.org] ? And if you don't like it, if you're using X, you can always change it to something else. Maybe I've been out of the loop and missed something, but would you mind explaining?

Obvious Answer (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020969)

Customize startup sound to be a file full of silence. Now, if you can't customize the startup sound... that's just nuts. What are these guys smoking in Redmond?

Borg (1)

mombodog (920359) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020970)

You will be assimilated.

Vista startup sound clip ought to be... (5, Funny)

gsn (989808) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020973)

"This computer will self destruct in 5 seconds."

I still hold out hope...

QUESTION: Why don't you give advanced users the ability to turn this off via a registry setting or something like that?
Steve: "we're considering just that."


Yes Steve a registry setting please...
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\ShutTheFuckUp
make sure that dword is set to 1

Vista Startup sound manditory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16020976)

This is so that when the NSA detects the sound they can start logging all your internet activity. Kind of like a wake up call to the NSA monitors. Oooops! Shouldn't have said that........

Don't do this (4, Insightful)

Tester (591) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020980)

This shows how disconnected from the real world Microsofties have become.

Imagine being in a large university class with 100 or 200 students and half of them boot their laptops at the beginning of the class. The sound will be played 50-100 times, how much more annoying can it get!

Is the sound (1)

vandelais (164490) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020989)

the CivII wav file for fighter running out of fuel?

Re:Is the sound (1)

gbobeck (926553) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021081)

No, it was the Civ II wav file for launching a nuke.

Think about the silver lining here! (1)

applix7 (998238) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020992)

OK, there's no silver lining. There's only M$ acting badly again. http://malfy.org/ [malfy.org]

Let me guess... (4, Funny)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020995)

The startup sound will be the voice of Steve Ballmer saying "Please bend over, this won't take long".

that is so stupid seriously WTH m$ (1, Interesting)

atarione (601740) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020997)

wow... that is the most retarded thing

thanx m$

vista may well cause me to say adios to windows... I'm not sure I can take much more of this kinda crap

I can't have Native HD DVD (32bit) or WinFS or..... errr what the hell all else did they junk from vista

but i can have the most annoying part of windows startup.... the fucking startup sound... forced on me regardless of if i want it or not ????

it would be FUCKING GREAT in the office too..... for 3hours i could hear the start up sounds as co-workers arrived and logged in....

vista may not be the next winME after all it may be much much worse than that.

Horrible idea (4, Insightful)

OnanTheBarbarian (245959) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020998)

Wonderful. This will be a real plus in seminars, as people can't turn on their damn laptops without making a stupid noise. Or on an airplane. Or any other situation (with the kid sleeping in the other side of the room, for example).

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Unbelievably dumb. A massive triumph of marketing people over reality. How can this can be presented as a 'I see both sides of this fascinating argument' in the article? The argument that lots of other systems do this too is irrelevant; currently, you don't have to do this in Windows - why start making this mistake now?

Uh, Macs? (4, Insightful)

illuminatedwax (537131) | more than 8 years ago | (#16020999)

Is the startup sound on Macs customizable? I don't think it is. You turn on your computer and...

"BAHHHH."

Re:Uh, Macs? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16021089)

You can always just hold down the mute button during boot and it won't make the noise (at least I think, it's been awhile since I last restarted). You then let go of the mute button and it will return you to your pre-determined volume level while it's finishing booting.

I heard DRM is also mandatory, get some vaseline (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16021000)

Yes, get some vaseline, things will go smooth once you have no choice to bend over.

What you don't know... (3, Funny)

VorpalEdge (967279) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021002)

The startup sound has obviously become the ca-ching of a cash register.

It'd be pure microsoft...

Won't bother me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#16021003)

I pretty much only run Windows in VMware these days (wish I didn't have to run it at all) and I normally have the sound card disconnected. Good luck sending out your tunes to a computer with no sound card you Microsoft bastards.

In other news... (5, Funny)

John Pfeiffer (454131) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021022)

...sources close to those in charge of Vista's user interface development say the startup sound will be that of '...[M]illions of computer users crying out, and suddenly silenced...'

M$ and Sony (1)

shodai (970706) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021030)

Are they the same company, now? Vista and the PS3 are both heading the same direction, it seems.

PROMISES!!! YAY PROMISES!
Oh, wait, hold on.
Just a little more.
Yeah.. we took everything "useful" out, heh.
PROMISES!
$500, please.

This article has to be a joke (2, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021032)

It just HAS to be a joke. They can't really be considering annoying their users in this way, right?

I suppose the system will REQUIRE the sound file, and it must be a signed/DRMed WMA10 file too, right? And ONLY Microsoft-signed sounds (e.g., Vista Plus! pack or whatever comes out alongside the OS next year) will be "allowed" to replace the default sound?

Meh. I won't be affected. When I have to run Windows (for legacy hardware not supported by Linux) it's Win98SE or Win2K, and I can customize SuSE and kubuntu linux to my heart's content. Fuck Windows Vista and the DRM fest and locked-down GUI that will come with it. Monad, you say? I already have that; it's called bash.

New slogan for Vista (1)

SocialEngineer (673690) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021054)

"Windows Vista: Cramming junk into your RAM like you crammed yourself and 10 friends into a VW beetle."

reason 78 I won't be using Vista (5, Funny)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021059)

Reason #1. It's from Microsoft
Reason #2. It's been delayed 5 times and still won't die
Reason #3: Fundamentally no better than XP
Reason #4: Still no shell
Reason #5: Or compiler
Reason #6: Takes more space then it really ought to
Reason #7: New added value bonus DRM compliance goodies!

...

Reason #76: It takes more memory than a weather simulation of Earth just to show the desktop
Reason #77: "Ultimate Edition"
Reason #78: Annoying Startup Sounds

Tom

Considering how much they probably had to pay.. (1)

Moe_Fugger (960991) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021063)

Robert Fripp to record the audio for vista they want to squeeze every last drop out of the use. If not at least ONE file.

The reasoning behind this is pathetic. (5, Funny)

hruzaden (219079) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021076)



OMG..they have a branded starup sound! Can we have a startup sound too! Please!

"A spiritual side of the branding experience. A short, brief, positive confirmation that your machine is now concious and ready to react."

Spiritual side? WTF does that mean? Do we get Kool-aid if we format the drive?

"The startup sound is designed to help you calibrate or fix something that got out of wack when you startup your machine. Let's say you muted your machine, and you don't hear your startup sound, you know you aren't ready to listen to stuff."

Maybe the power LED being off, the dial at 0 or the red 'no' symbol on the speaker icon might give it away after you hear absoulutely nothing coming from the speakers?

Of course there are the foot pedal mouse and coffee holder ROM drive crowd to think about. Maybe they can get an offical Vista helemt with a send in postcard.

"The Xbox has a hard-wired startup sound. "

Which makes sense. Your siting down to game and the sound system has a mojor role in that experience. It also happens as soon as the machine starts. You know exactly when it's going to happen. It's basically a "hey..it's this loud right now..get your volume set..we're getting ready to game". Not blast you out if you forget where your settings were the previous time and you walked away during boot up.

People get paid to "think" this crap up. It's amazing.

Thats nothing compared to the WGA sound (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021079)

When WGA discovers a problem it will blare "You Are Running An Unlicenced Version of Microsoft Vista, Please Contact Microsoft to Upgrade Your Licence" over and over and over for as long as your machine is running.

You KNOW that's coming, don't you?

Once again (1)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 8 years ago | (#16021097)

Once again, Microsoft steals from Apple.



(See, the start up "noise" is not obviously controllable [macworld.com] to new Mac users... Oh, never mind...)

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