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Britain's First "Web-Rage" Attack

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the why-can't-people-just-get-along dept.

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brown-eyed slug writes "The BBC is reporting what is claimed to be Britain's first "web-rage" attack. A man drove seventy miles to assault his victim with a pick-axe handle after they exchanged insults in a Yahoo! chat room." From the article: "Det Cons Christopher Creagh, of the Metropolitan Police, said: 'This is the first instance of a web-rage attack.' Det Sgt Jean-Marc Bazzoni, of Essex Police, added the case demonstrates the importance of protecting one's identity on the internet. 'Mr Jones had posted pictures of his family on the web and had chatted to Gibbons on an audio link,' he said. 'It demonstrates how easily other users can put two and two together and also shows how children could also find themselves in danger.'"

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399 comments

In other news ... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483137)

no one here but us anonymous cowards ... oi.

That is why..... (4, Funny)

suntac (252438) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483141)

That is why I do not give my home address here :-)...

whois terminalcult.org (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483181)

You might as well since a whois on your domain will give you the address.

Re:That is why..... (4, Funny)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483189)

Think you're a smart guy, eh? Why I oughtta.... never mind... don't know where you live...

Re:That is why..... (4, Funny)

Aim Here (765712) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483233)

Just as well you don't, Mr Johan F D Louwers
of 89 Newstraat,
De Bildt
NL 3732DJ

You never know what kind of freaks and stalkers and lunatics are roaming the net these days...

Re:That is why..... (1)

The MESMERIC (766636) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483299)

LOL
/whois classic.
on that note .. please don't /whois please please pleeeeeeease!

Re:That is why..... (0, Flamebait)

ettlz (639203) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483367)

on that note .. please don't /whois please please pleeeeeeease!
Whois record for pleasepleaseplease.com [whois.net] .

Re:That is why..... (1)

The MESMERIC (766636) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483657)

damn .. bye bye anonymity :(

Re:That is why..... (1)

diersing (679767) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483415)

Little do you know the Mr. Johan Louwers is the guy sleeping with suntac's wife, he simply registers the domain in his enemy's name and then talks big to the wrong crowd... sit back and let nature take it's course.

Re:That is why..... (2, Funny)

asifyoucare (302582) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483399)

I believe your address is 127.0.0.1

Re:That is why..... (1)

malzraa (1012921) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483431)

Why you insolent... Give me your home address, or I'll KILL YOU!!!

Re:That is why..... (5, Interesting)

udderly (890305) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483451)

Four or five years ago, some clown on eBay ripped me off and I found him using only his first name and his eBay name, which meant a certain animal in French + a two-digit number, which I took to be his birth year. This year would have made him about 20 years old. I Googled the eBay name in English only sites and got a number of hits. On a discussion site, I found the same username with a university email address, which had a partial name. Interestingly enough, in the discussion group this guy used a certain phrase that, combined with his age, made me pretty sure that it was the same person. I Googled the university + partial name and got a few hits. One of them was the school newspaper and included a picture of the French Club with a listing of all of the names of the people in the photos.

I imagine he was very surprised when I emailed him a picture of himself at his university email addresss and demanded my money. Needless to say, I got my money back.

Re:That is why..... (1, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483539)

Whoah. Stalk much? Too bad we cant mod "Gulp".
It's creepy how easy it is to pierce Internet anonymity.

Re:That is why..... (5, Insightful)

NekoXP (67564) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483587)

Why is it creepy?

You could do exactly the same thing using paper resources if you had the time and patience. There were plenty of stalkers around before the internet reared it's head. I don't think there are really any more these days, simply a greater proportion of them doing it faster.

Re:That is why..... (1)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483733)

I imagine he was very surprised when I emailed him a picture of himself at his university email addresss and demanded my money. Needless to say, I got my money back.
Isn't this bordering on demanding with menaces?

Sanity (5, Insightful)

otacon (445694) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483145)

This doesn't have as much to do with the internet as they'd want you to think, I mean the guy drove 70 miles with an axe, obviously he wasn't stable to begin with.

Re:Sanity (3, Insightful)

chrisb33 (964639) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483195)

Exactly - "web-rage" sounds like a crime of passion caused by the internet, but this guy had plenty of time to think things through during his 70 mile drive.

Re:Sanity (3, Insightful)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483379)

Crimes of passion do not have to happen instantaneously. Also, they are not saying it is a crime of passion, they are saying this is the first case (they know of) where a person got pissed at someone they met from the net, and took physical action towards that person. Stop making it sound like they are claiming the net is a bad thing.

Re:Sanity (2, Insightful)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483351)

I have no idea why the above is moderated insightful. This has everything to do with the Internet. Put it this way, these guys live 70 miles apart, and if they didn't meet on the Internet they would have (most likely) never met each other. The Internet provides you a way of meeting people you would otherwise have no chance of ever meeting/talking to.

They got angry at each other from the net, and unfortunately one of the people was unstable. So yea, this has a lot to do with the net.....nobody is claiming the net is bad, just, like any other tool, be careful how you use it.

Re:Sanity (1, Insightful)

otacon (445694) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483479)

You are right they probably would have never met in person without the internet. However, someone unstable enough to drive 70 miles with an axe because of an online argument was probably going to snap at some point, it was not the internet that set him off, it could have been anyone, it only happend to be a guy in a chat room.

Re:Sanity (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483575)

It's possibly directly related to the Net in another way, though. It's no secret that the faceless anonymity of the net allows people to say things to total strangers they wouldn't dream of saying in person. How many "flamewars" do you see in real life? This guy's ire may have been raised by a conversation he would have gone his whole life without having without the net.

(To avoid too much irony, I'll state that my /. user name is IxnayOnTheIxnay, and I just can't be bothered to dig up my old password and log in).

Re:Sanity (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483675)

"my /. user name is IxnayOnTheIxnay, and I just can't be bothered to dig up my old password"

Let me help you out there.

Username:IxnayOnTheIxnay
Password:*********

There - Problem solved.

Re:Sanity (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483609)

I didn't take the article as saying it was the internet that made the guy snap, it was the internet that provided a link for him to snap at this particular person. The axe guy probably would have snapped against someone else, eventually. The moral of the article: be careful as to whom you give your info to.

Re:Sanity (1, Funny)

Iamthefallen (523816) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483523)

The Internet provides you a way of meeting people you would otherwise have no chance of ever meeting/talking to.

So does the highway.

Except blaming the highway is ridiculous.

Re:Sanity (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483641)

As i posted to another guy...I did not take it as the article blamming the net. In fact, at no point does the article say it was the fault of the Internet. Just as someone meantioned other types of rages (i.e. crimes of passion), and you are mentioning the highway....ever heard of the saying "road rage"...does that mean we are blaming the road for the anger someone displays towards another while driving? no....it just the road is the medium.

Re:Sanity (4, Insightful)

ArcticCelt (660351) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483775)

Det Sgt Jean-Marc Bazzoni, of Essex Police, added the case demonstrates the importance of protecting one's identity on the internet.

"It demonstrates how easily other users can put two and two together and also shows how children could also find themselves in danger."

No, it demonstrate the importance of acting civilized and how people should stop acting like savages just because they are not in front of the person they are communicating with.

Re:Sanity (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483353)

I guess normal rules of reasoning to not apply, when the the average person hears the word "web" or "internet" in a situation.

Re:Sanity (1)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483397)

I was thinking the same thing, but wouldn't it have been fun to be hiding in the back seat for the drive?

Re:Sanity (1, Funny)

Who235 (959706) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483583)

I mean the guy drove 70 miles with an axe


Well, actually, it was a pick-axe _handle_ not an axe.

He was just going to throw the guy an unnecessarily savage beating, not chop him up. Chopping him up would have been a little overboard. . .

Re:Sanity (1)

otacon (445694) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483687)

I had been waiting for someone to point that out. Thanks

Re:Sanity (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483773)

So should we ban axes or computers?

or.. (1)

tehwebguy (860335) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483149)

..maybe it just shows how demented the attacker was

Not the first case of Web Rage! (1)

JonTurner (178845) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483549)

Right you are. The problem is with the attacker, not the web.

This has happened before, and not infrequently, and demonstrates that it's not the Internet at fault. Pharaceutical companies in the UK reguarly brief their employees not to wear their company ID badge off-campus, and to not leave identifying items on or about their vehicles, and coached not to leave personal information on the internet (e.g. full name) if using a company email address, for fear that the animal-rights crazies will damage person or property.

Another case -- what about the MMO game "bounty hunters" which hunt down player-killers? now THAT'S a real case of internet Web-Rage!

Finally, how many people get stiffed by a seller on a "Popular Web Auction Site" and decide to go pick up their goods/refund "in person..." occasionally with a few friends along just for fun?

Children (3, Insightful)

Tsunayoshi (789351) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483173)

also shows how children could also find themselves in danger.


Fucking great, he pulled the "think of the children" line...expect politicians to get involved and new laws passed to "protect the children".

Re:Children (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483375)

I am thinking of the children and I'm wondering why they're allowed to use the internet unsupervised.

Re:Children (1)

Shadowland (574647) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483459)

> Fucking great, he pulled the "think of the children" line...
> expect politicians to get involved and new laws passed to
> "protect the children".

I had the same thought when I read the summary. Just what we need.

The guy with the axe handle clearly had problems if he was willing to drive 70 miles...

Re:Children (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483485)

Yes, now you're only allowed to drive 50 miles to assault someone with an axe handle.

Re:Children (1)

Yfrwlf (998822) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483759)

Children can be victims too?! Fuck, lock them up! We're not quite safe! Terrorism alert level red!

Don't you love it how when something bad *could* happen it justifies taking away additional freedoms in some people's minds? While you're at it, don't let your kids walk down sidewalks, they could still be hit by cars, or ride bikes, or exist outside their house, and no overly pointy objects, and label everything as being a possible choking and suffocation hazard...

Sorry guv. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483175)

When asked by the police what his motives were, the attacker simply replied "I did it for the lulz" [encycloped...matica.com] .

Sounds like he deserved it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483191)

Idioot

Re:Sounds like he deserved it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483551)

Idioot?

Won't somebody please think of the children?!? (4, Insightful)

proverbialcow (177020) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483193)

"It demonstrates how easily other users can put two and two together and also shows how children could also find themselves in danger." ...which, in turn, demonstrates why children should not be allowed unfettered access to the Net. Of course, it's probably just easier to pass legislation than to watch what your kids are doing - that makes it somebody else's problem.

Re:Won't you please get a clue!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483271)

which, in turn, demonstrates why children should not be allowed unfettered access to the Net

Boy did you miss the point entirely. That statement has nothing to do with "kids having unfettered access to the Net". The point is that even with seemingly innocuous usage of the net (posting pictures of your family or kids posting pictures of themselves, yes, even "safe" pictures) that one can leave themselves open. I know you're getting modded up because of your off the cuff but completely off the mark populist BS, but you are completely off the mark.

Re:Won't someone think of the children? (4, Insightful)

Brainix (748988) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483287)

You're right. Sadly, misguided politicians use unfortunate incidents like this to hammer through legislation. This has less to do with the internet than one might think. Assault has been illegal long before the birth of the internet.

Re:Won't someone think of the children? (1)

mavenguy (126559) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483661)

I basically agree with your points, but would put a bit more emphasis on the role of the internet demonstrated by this incident. There are two factors, IMHO, that the internet contributed.

The first is the rise of chat rooms and other venues of communication that facilitate communication among people. It's often observed that they enable people from around the world to communicate, but, what is often not remarked is that people not so distant, but who would not likely have met, are also able to interact, most relevantly as illustrated in this case in a "reasonably close" proximity for physical contact. The second is the ability of the internet to facilitate "data mining" for information leading to the physical contact.

Now, it is clear that the attacker in this case is off the wall and does not represent the average antagonist on the net, but the ever widening embrace of the net is going bring an increase of the number of such unstable people in contact with others, illustrating that point that in addition to the benefits of such widespread communication are a number of pitfalls.

Re:Won't somebody please think of the children?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483335)

Of course, it's probably just easier to pass legislation than to watch what your kids are doing - that makes it somebody else's problem.

It's easier still just to post pictures of your neighbors, and sit back and watch the excitement.

London, that great cesspool ... (0, Flamebait)

Marcion (876801) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483201)

... into which all the loungers and idlers of the Empire are irresistibly drained.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

70 miles (4, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483205)

He travelled 70 miles to Mr Jones' home in Clacton, Essex, and beat him up with a pickaxe handle in December 2005.

You've got to hand to the guy for travelling 70 miles just to beat someone up.

I can't wait for news about someone travelling to the other side of the globe just to beat someone up because they kept fragging them / stealing their gold / beat them double perfect in Street Fighter...

Re:70 miles (2, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483389)

You've got to hand to the guy for travelling 70 miles just to beat someone up.
This should be required reading for every couch potato who has ever ended up watching a crappy TV show they didn't like, just because they couldn't find the remote to change the channel with.

Re:70 miles (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483409)

Yah, the summary did seem funny to me on first read. One wonders what that conversation online was like.

Re:70 miles (1)

Tx (96709) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483411)

I can't wait for news about someone travelling to the other side of the globe just to beat someone up because they kept fragging them / stealing their gold / beat them double perfect in Street Fighter...

So what did you think Gulf War 2 was really all about? Apparently Saddam is pretty hot at Ultima Online ;).

Re:70 miles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483589)

You've got to hand to the guy for travelling 70 miles just to beat someone up. I can't wait for news about someone travelling to the other side of the globe just to beat someone up because they kept fragging them / stealing their gold / beat them double perfect in Street Fighter...

In the early 90's, I had a nutter on Usenet try to track me down to beat the crap out of me. When someone told him who and where I was, in another country, he settled for mailing child porn to my work address and phoning my boss to 'report' me. In the end, I lost my job over it, and was damned lucky not to get jail time. If I'd been in the US, he was quite prepared to drive across the country to get me.

The Internet lets everyone spread across the world, even the nutters who'd otherwise just shout at the neighbours for spying on them.

(Oh, and the thing that inflamed the nutter? I reposted something he'd posted a year earlier, which he denied ever posting. Good thing he died before dejanews got started, or he'd probably have tried to firebomb their offices.)

already happened in Japan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483225)

A while back some 12 year old girl in Japan cut a classmate's throat over some stuff the classmate said about her on a personal web page.

Yeah,, but that;'s Japan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483749)



What would you expect a wee-little japanese girl to do BUT to cut the throat out of her worst enemy for writing bad things about her ?

I have mixed feelings about this... (4, Funny)

D-Cypell (446534) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483227)

On one hand, I find it sad that a network with the potential to unit the world, and bring us all closer together became the catalyst for such a sick, frenzied and unnecessary attack.

On the other hand, I am happy that my TCP-enabled pickaxe handle may have a market.

Re:I have mixed feelings about this... (1)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483643)

Sa-prize!

There are people out there who like to fight, some of whom have internet access. I myself sometimes get the urge to feel my fist smashing into a mouth full of teeth, but I just go to any of several hillbilly biker bars around my area to get my fill.

Also, maybe if you spent less time perfecting your emo and more time paying attention to reality you wouldn't need news articles to point out that the internet, like every other human institution, has some untoward goings on.

I have blended feelings about this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483691)

"On one hand, I find it sad that a network with the potential to unit the world, and bring us all closer together became the catalyst for such a sick, frenzied and unnecessary attack."

Telegraph, Telephone. They united us, but not in the "happy go lucky" way you all expect the Internet to be.

Re:I have mixed feelings about this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483767)

Hey, I already got a prototype baseball bat/wifi sniffer, expect it on amazon in time for xmas.

stop w/ the children (1)

deviceb (958415) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483229)

glad somebody else thought the same... I care not for the "children" any more.
that aside.. it is rather comic that a chat room brawl spilled out into the real world.

From the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483241)

"The pair met in an internet chatroom called Yahoo, Islam 10 as both had an interest in the Muslim faith, the Old Bailey was told. "

rumor has it... (1)

m1ndrape (971736) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483249)

that back in the GOOD OLD DAYS(tm), that some members from both LoD and MoD were in a pissing match on Lutzifer, someone from the MoD flew out wherever this LoD member lived and beat his ass and flew home...now of course there were other details that just made this an even jucier rumor that just fueled the lore of the underground scene, such as this MoD mem ber carded his ticket. At the time didn't see too far fetch considering MoD was well known for harassing folks they didn't like (dumping their CBI records all over the place, changing their telephone services, etc)... but it was just probably a rumor :)

Perhaps a debate is starting ... (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483253)

You should check what they were talking about. One can't but wonder if it's a coincidence.

I wonder what the argument was about, exactly.

Re:Perhaps a debate is starting ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483463)

Leave it out, will you. Enough of the bigotted crap.

They are (judging from their surnames) nominally Christian. Don't blame this attack on Islam just because these (presumbaly) Christian men were in an Islam chat room.

And just before you make insinuations about me too, I am an atheist who was brought up Protestant.

Ax-handle control NOW! (4, Funny)

The Fun Guy (21791) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483263)

Police report that this guy owns not just one, but several ax-handles! He's an ax-handle nut! I wish the ax-handle lobby would own up to the fact that these things are not just dangerous, but potentially DEADLY!

Effective ax-handle control legislation is long overdue! Think of the children!

Re:Ax-handle control NOW! (1)

LighterShadeOfBlack (1011407) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483467)

All jokes aside, who the hell owns a pick-axe nowadays? It's not like this guy just came from working "down t'mines". Of course you can't control the sale of pick-axes of their handles, but it would be nice if there was a little checkbox to fill in when buying one.

Purpose of purchase

__ Business
__ Bludgeoning

You know, just a heads up to everyone in a 70 mile radius of the fucking lunatic in their vicinity.

Re:Ax-handle control NOW! (1)

pedestrian crossing (802349) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483645)

...who the hell owns a pick-axe nowadays?

I do. In fact, I just loaned it to a friend yesterday. If you are trying to remove a shrubbery or building a patio, it beats the hell out of shovel alone!

You can have my pick-axe when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers...

Re:Ax-handle control NOW! (1)

x2A (858210) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483681)

"who the hell owns a pick-axe nowadays?"

No one... but my god there's a scary amount of handles out there.

Re:Ax-handle control NOW! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483519)

Yes, It's easy to make fun of the gun control lobby.

It's just as easy to point out that if this guy did have a gun, there would likely have been a fatality here. One more life saved by gun control. Watch the evening news for information about countless lives lost due to lax gun controls.

Yes, children are killed by guns every day in the United States.

How many lives is your hobby worth?

Re:Ax-handle control NOW! (2, Funny)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483737)

"Yes, children are killed by guns every day in the United States."

How many children are beaten to death by their parents every day? If those kids had guns, they'd still be alive today!

(Expecting a visit by a pickaxe-handle-wielding Web-raging gun control activist any minute now. Good thing I carry a gun.)

Re:Ax-handle control NOW! (5, Funny)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483597)

Police report that this guy owns not just one, but several ax-handles! He's an ax-handle nut! I wish the ax-handle lobby would own up to the fact that these things are not just dangerous, but potentially DEADLY!

Effective ax-handle control legislation is long overdue! Think of the children!


Look, nobody wants to take away axe handles from legitimate, country-side axe users. It's only the urban areas that don't need them. We just need to close all the loopholes at the farm shows and flea markets. The real problem, though, is the glorification of axe handle swinging in popular media. Because once people think it's OK to inappropriately use just one piece of wood, then our Home Depots and other lumber yards are no better than arms markets.

Re:Ax-handle control NOW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483735)

You posted that in jest but, seriously, that very idea is probably bouncing about British ministers' heads right now.

Re:Ax-handle control NOW! (1)

necro81 (917438) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483761)

Right now he has a pick-ax handle with a nail in it. But he won't stop there. Soon he will make bigger handles with bigger nails until he makes a handle with a nail in it so big it will destroy us all!

Obscure [everything2.com] reference [google.com] ?

Sound like a pair of morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483293)

This has nothing to do with the web, thugs regularly set about each other down every local pub. Is the news here that there are violent elements to society? O RLY?

Annoying (1)

Lex-Man82 (994679) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483297)

The dead guy must have been some other shade of annoying to warrant the effort to drive seventy miles to kill him. I would need at least forty grand large.

Are you MagnoliaFan? (1)

Bandman (86149) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483311)

Jay and Silent Bob?

If only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483363)

Shame! If he channeled that anger on spammers he'd be doing the world a favour!

Dog bites man (4, Interesting)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483371)

"Psycho attacks man over perceived slight" is the dog bites man story no matter how you wrap it up for media consumption. The man bites dog story would be "Psycho drives 70 miles to clean man's snowed-in driveway with a shovel after an online exchange."

He's psychotic, what did you expect? Him to drive up with a bouquet of fresh flowers for the women of the family and a bottle of Dom Perignon for the gentlemen to savor over fine Cuban cigars?

This is one reason why I plan to live in the South as long as I live in America. Most of the South is still relatively sane. Someone comes at you with any sort of axe, ice pick, knife, etc. you're going to be hard-pressed to find a jury that will convict you for blowing their head off.

I read stories online all the time about youths beating up or murdering people in Britain and the police harassing the 50 year old Brit who asked them to just be quiet. Who are the psychos? The punk youths, the British cop and the institution he represents. I thought the definition of psychosis is a pathological inability to tell right from wrong, and last time I checked, state power harassing law-abiding British subjects set upon by violent punks is the definition of injustice--right and wrong!--making the British legal system technically psychotic.

Re:Dog bites man (1)

dunkers (845588) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483527)

I think the real story is that flamefests online tend to get much further out of hand becuase it's easy to be macho in front of a screen - it's not going to travel 70 miles to bop you on the nose, right? This /is/ an Internet story because a face-to-face chat wouldn't've got so blown up without one side or the other moderating what they're saying. Just consider some of the aggressive insults aimed at quite innocuous posts here on slashdot, for example.

Re:Dog bites man (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483729)

WTF is wrong with you, you stupid motherfucker!!!! I'm going to -so- kick the shit out of you, you fucking Apple fanboy pussy!!

Web rage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483373)

I thought yahoo's chatrooms were IM based. Not web based. Are journalists still having difficulty with the concept of non-web internet, or do yahoo have web based chatrooms?

Not the first incident (3, Informative)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483383)

I remember a story of someone killing another person because the victim sold a virtual sword of the killer.

Excellent... (2, Insightful)

tygerstripes (832644) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483419)

I'm not happy about the fact that some nut went that far out of his way - and maintained his unreasoning rage for the best part of an hour - that this could happen.

All events like this are bad in themselves... but the more it happens, the more people might stop and think for a second before they do their utmost to cut someone to shreds, safe behind the anonymity of the internets.

The attacker was clearly a dick, but then I've little doubt that the victim was too. No, it doesn't vindicate it, but it does give me a vicious, guilty little flinch of pleasure.

Note to flamers: the interweb is full of games for bored, vicious little pillocks. Don't play one-up in chat.

Self Control (2, Insightful)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483455)

I'd really like to see a social psychologist comment on this incident - these kinds of "rage" attacks are definitely on the increase and my impression is that in Britain, we seem to be the worst of any nation for this.

Then look at the wider picture here, with binge drinking also increasing and parts of our city centres becoming virtual war-zones on weekend evenings and you begin to wonder whatever happened to self-discipline and restraint in our society. Even take violence at football games - yes, it's decreased here in the past 20 years but only because there are so many police involved in crowd control, no violence ever has the chance to break out.

I'm certain that advertising and the media is at the core of this - kids today are constantly pounded with messages of not being "cool" until they buy, use or wear certain brands of electronic devices, clothing or music. But then, where's the education from parents that their kids just cannot have everything they want right there on the spot?

Maybe I'm wearing "rose-tinted spectacles" but I go out to other European countries a lot, particularly Spain, and I don't hear or see any of these kinds of behaviours - go out in the city streets at night and it's always a lot of people, particularly families, just out having a good time.

This is a really sad incident and we should be ashamed that it happened here.

Re:Self Control (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483673)

At home or abroad, a gang of Brits are foul drunken animals with zero manners and zero consideration.

I hang my head in shame.

Re:Self Control (1)

Cederic (9623) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483763)


these kinds of "rage" attacks are definitely on the increase

I thought media reporting of them was on the increase. I see no real evidence that significantly more attacks occur.

my impression is that in Britain, we seem to be the worst of any nation for this

Why, because we don't engage in multi-generational feuds, we don't just shoot people that annoy us, we don't engage in acts of destruction and violence that can't be traced? Those things all go on elsewhere for similar reasons.

look at the wider picture here, with binge drinking also increasing

Again, is it increasing? I seem to recall the previous generation getting equally pissed, cases of alcohol driven domestic violence being very prevalent. At one point alcohol was preferred to water for health reasons.

I go out to other European countries a lot, particularly Spain, and I don't hear or see any of these kinds of behaviours

So there's never violence at Spanish football games? Amazing. Yet they have exactly the same advertising and media as the UK, and you're certain that the media are at the core of this.

I'm confused.

This is a really sad incident and we should be ashamed that it happened here.

This is a really funny incident and we should be grateful that it happened to someone else.

The world is full of idiots. Many of them lack adequate self control. Trust me, this is not an exclusively British trait. So be sensible, act sensibly, and control access to your personal information online.

So... (2, Insightful)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483469)

Are they going to remove the obligation to give your personal details for the domain name WHOIS database?

Re:So... (1)

Jamu (852752) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483725)

You can opt-out of the whois register for .uk domains registered to an individual. I doubt they'll ever have that option for something like .com or .biz, and as far as I know all the gTLD still require the registrant's details for the whois database. Although it does seem odd that .name also works like this.

I, for one (1)

skrew (111096) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483483)

...welcome our web-raging, pick-axe wielding overlords (c'mon, it was inevitable..if I didn't say it, someone else would).

What is with the trailing quotes? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483517)

?
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Web-Rage! A deadly sin?! (1)

jaypifer (64463) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483529)

There was never rage before the web was invented! What other base emotions will this new fangled technology reveal?!

Stay tuned, possibly we will see things like Web-Lust and Web-Sloth in the future. Protect the children!

Obligatory bash quote (0, Offtopic)

scenestar (828656) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483543)

get up
  get on up
  get up
  get on up
  and DANCE
* nmp3bot dances :D- i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet

New UK Ban (1)

josephtd (817237) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483545)

Clearly pick-axe handles should be banned straight away.

Transcript (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483553)

Gibbons: shut up you idiot
Jones: dont tell me to shut up
Gibbons: oh really what you gonna do internet tough guy
Jones: why you little...
[2 hr later]
Gibbons: AAAAAAAAAAah AHHhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa HAaaaaa-9823vn dfjl;zjd ;lz x cvczf
* Gibbons signed off. *

(posted anon for obvious reasons)

This just in... (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483571)

People demand respect on the internets too.

-Rick

And how is this different from the real world? (4, Insightful)

S.O.B. (136083) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483573)

...the case demonstrates the importance of protecting one's identity on the internet


I think the case demonstrates that the internet is no different than the real world. Trade insults with a guy you just met (online or not) and he may be a violent person that will come over to your house with his buddy and kick your ass. I'm glad he wasn't killed and I hope he'll completely recover but I don't have too much sympathy.

Too many people use the supposed anonymity of the internet as an excuse to be asshats. Always remember...the other guy could be a bigger asshat.

oh boy.... (1)

Killcrone (1014221) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483611)

First Video games get heat for violence now this, more poeple goin against the web, and sure that Jack Tompson gonna have a say-so in this. (sigh) i just hope that the internet dodges this bullet so that way stuff like SlashDot (most shameful plug EVER!) will survive to see another decade.

Honey... (1)

tom_75 (1013457) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483653)

... get away from the computer now ! Your pal John is here, he says he's bringing your shovel back. Let your dad use the computer, I saw him cleaning up his chainsaw last night. He kept babbling something... "Chat room... Annoyance... Must kill !"

protection (1)

kcornwell (555464) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483665)

He should have let him know up front [kevincornwell.com] who he was dealing with.

Hate Crime or am I just reading too much into it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16483727)

Did anyone else notice the use of "partner" in the article? It might just be a culture thing between Britian and America, but "partner" over in the US is generally used when referring to a same sexed spouse (that is until MA approved of gay marriage).

Also, I noticed "Their exchanges soured after Gibbons accused Mr Jones of spreading rumours about him." Am I the only one making a connection?

Sadly... (1)

Cctoide (923843) | more than 7 years ago | (#16483747)

... I now understand the true potential in this bash.org quote [bash.org] .
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