Fedora Core 6 Review 205
luna6 writes to tell us that they have posted a pretty thorough review of Fedora Core 6 with the installation procedure and even a few work arounds for the couple of bugs encountered during the process to help users get up and running smoothly. From the article: "To sum up Fedora Core 6, I will say that once you have it set up properly FC 6 runs very impressively. I had the impression that FC 6 may have been rushed, just because of the handful of minor bugs that appeared. The mixup of arches, i586 & i686 was weird and the first system update having a update conflict was a glaring error, even though it was easy to fix. Setting up the Nvidia drivers was way more problematic than it should have been. I should also note that Mandriva 2007 worked from the start with AIGLX and their 3D drake worked flawlessly. With that stated once the minor problems were fixed, Fedora Core 6 worked as well as any Linux distro I have tried and the visuals were second to none. Well except the default icons...but we have something to look forward to in FC 7 now don't we?"
Does it support WPA-PSK out of the box? (Score:3, Insightful)
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I dunno, but the current version works fine (Score:2)
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Re:Does it support WPA-PSK out of the box? (Score:4, Informative)
That's not so bad then, but (Score:2)
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Does that mean it uses apt-get to download and install the network manager?
yeah. It's not installed by default because it doesn't work in 100% of the conceivable situations (static IP, you want a network connection before you log in). I think it should be installed but disabled by default, but I'm not in charge.
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if you don't like the command line you can even install it through synaptic
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So it does work in Fedora. Thanks! (Score:2)
Good to know, I'll give Fedora a try the next time I do a Linux install.
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Reviewer = idiot (Score:5, Informative)
In other words, a new linux distro has failed to prevent someone with the root password from shooting themselves in the foot. NEWS AT 11.
Totem-xine? wtf? (Score:2)
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I'm freaking out, man! News at 11, news at 11. Everybody points to the news at 11, but where are they!? WHERE! I feel so desperately uninformed and news-deprived
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Setting up the Nvidia drivers (Score:5, Funny)
And yea verily as the sun shall rise in the East and the Pope is Catholic and bears crap in the woods, yea verily the setting up of the Nvidia drivers shall be way more problematic than it should be, thus is it written, amen.
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With livna added to your yum config, installing the drivers is as easy as yum install kmod-nvidia and restarting X.
Of course, you might want to wait until the root exploit in NVIDIA's driver [slashdot.org] is f
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Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it works smoothly for some.
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Uh, Polar Bears don't.
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I'll get my coat...
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Justin.
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I understand how you want to Know every bit of your machine, but frankly there's better things to do. Like actually working on cool stuff. These problems are solved. Don't go and reinvent the wheel and spend your time fiddling with trival things. There aren't enough hours in the day to spend so many doing that.
I'm tempted to give the GF Ubuntu and try out FC6 (or ma
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Can I get points for coveting her?
I don't suppose... (Score:2)
Posting this from FC6 (Score:4, Informative)
$ uname -r
2.6.18-1.2798.fc6PAE
w00t!
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Article Summary (Score:3, Funny)
"Error establishing a database connection"
FC6 -- slowest torrent ever? (Score:2)
I don't know the cause, but I kinda wish they had a separate trackers for the US, Europe, and Asia at least.
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Wow, not a front page item?! (Score:2)
What were the editors thinking?! I'm flabbergasted that this didn't make the front page. It certainly deserved the space more than the gaim article.
nVidia drivers in Linux (Score:2)
Desktop Effects very cool (Score:3, Interesting)
But it worked out of the box!
This is good stuff.
Why go for the toned-down? (Score:2)
Best distro for a small home server ? (Score:2)
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Upgrading like CentOS ? (Score:2)
I know that with CentOS, you can do something like 'up2date metapackage' and that will perform a full update of your system to the latest version.
Is there anything similar to this for FC6 ?
fedora.redhat.com is down ? (Score:2)
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El Fedoro Strikes Again (Score:2, Informative)
I want to hear praise for my beloved distro!
Not smelly little nVidia problems!
Not patent-encumbered .mp3 files!
WHY I LIKE FEDORA (comments/corrections welcome):
* Ubuntu mangle upstream like Satan's little bitches (case in point: compare Dapper's Gnome logout dialog with Zod's implementation). I *like* vanilla Gnome. Leave us poor "vanilla GNU/Linux" people alone! Go modify your artwork and plug some gaping holes if you have to, but FFS...
Fedora generally works closer with
Re:Can I upgrade without reinstalling (Score:5, Funny)
Sorry, that's too complicated. I need a CD that sticks itself in the slot.
Re:Can I upgrade without reinstalling (Score:5, Funny)
And I supose you're going to be fussy about which slot, ain'cha?
KFG
Re:Can I upgrade without reinstalling (Score:4, Funny)
Feature creepy (Score:2)
That was one of the features cut from Vista - it was a little too careless about which slots it sought.
Re:Can I upgrade without reinstalling (Score:5, Funny)
yes. Stick the CD in, reboot and select "Upgrade".
Sorry, that's too complicated. I need a CD that sticks itself in the slot.
May I suggest the Soviet Russian Linux distribution?
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-- Sorry, that's too complicated. I need a CD that sticks itself in the slot.
---- I want an update doesn't require a CD or slot, or selecting anything.
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Downloaded my FC6 DVD x86_64 iso, burned it, began the installer, verified the disc and got started...
Resolving dependencies...
Waiting...
Waiting...
Waiting...
[ 3 hours later, I have eaten dinner, washed the dishes, run errands halfway across town and returned home ]
It's still resolving dependencies, with about 20-25% left in the progress bar. This is going from FC5-> FC6. Ouch
I did give up -- for now anyway. Maybe I'll let it try and resolve while I go to work t
Re:Can I upgrade without reinstalling (Score:4, Funny)
man, that sounds yummy.
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I just installed Debian stable (sarge) for the first time. The partitioning portion of the install went fine. But, the part where you actually choose _what_ will be installed was UGLY. And, when the install was finished, I was left with a non-functioning X environment. Running startx brought me to an X screen with an error something like, "No window manager detected. No
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http://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html [google.com]
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My Olympus Camedia has worked with Linux fine since the day I bought it 3(?) years ago. It's one of those that just uses the standard USB mass-storage drivers, so you plug it in and it appears as a drive. Those will work on any modern OS with no trouble.
Presumably yours needs a specific driver, which means that no one will be able to answer your question without knowing which camera you have.
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Actually, I can report that both Fedora and Ubuntu both have excellent digital camera support. The day I bought my Fuji FinePix, I just plugged it into the USB port, and voila! There were the pictures! No drivers to install, no need to load additional software (at least on Ubuntu).
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Unfortunately, all I've see so far, both from Fedora and Ubuntu, is "read-only" support for cameras. You can plug the camera in and transfer your pictures from the camera to the computer, but you can't transfer pictures from the computer to the camera (which is very useful when trying to fill up a flash card to bring to the store to have them printed). I never figured which device to mou
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Most digital cameras with USB have a configuration option to switch between using Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) [wikipedia.org] and acting as a USB mass storage device (UMS) [wikipedia.org]. Probably your camera is configured for PTP. Enable UMS instead. Ubuntu automounts it by default. Read and write to the camera as you please.
PTP is largely useless, just another protocol to confuse everybody. And most cameras only implement an absolutely minimal subset of it anyway.
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Open source software is everything that closed source softw
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What ever happened to all of the older, wiser Unix geeks that would install a piece of software, and run it indefinitely, so long as it worked?
Lawn (Score:2)
Not sure how you know my age (Score:2)
Feeding the Troll (Score:3, Insightful)
2) KDE can easily be changed to take us less screen space. If you ever decide to give up your career in trolling and start using computer software, I recommend you try DesktopBSD [desktopbsd.net]. By default, they size down the KDE taskbar, making it the same s
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Before that, they were horrible.
http://linux.softpedia.com/screenshots//Fedora-Co
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The anti-aliasing on the larger fonts was okay; about the standard I've seen with Windows, but not as good as the sub-pixel AA enabled by default with OS X.
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I use Linux next to Mac and the general use fonts are pleasing to the eye. Linux pre Bitstream was horrible.
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They're identical to the fonts they supply to Apple.
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Re:Why linux sucks on desktops.... (Score:5, Informative)
Fonts (Score:2)
You're joking, right? Cleartype looks blurry and awful. I've yet to see a Linux distro that has fonts as painful to read as "Cleartype", just as I've yet to see a Linux distro with fonts as sharp and clear as the standard Windows f
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It really does. And you know what? Every question on every forum I have read that mentioned ClearType, except the parent poster, have been questions about how to turn it off. Is there anyone, again except the parent, that like ClearType?
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How is your vision? Do you wear glasses? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm just trying to add to my collection of anecdotal evidence regarding Cleartype. I can't stand Cleartype - it's blurry, and my eyes spend all day trying to focus the let
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Heh, the reverse is true for me - I tried it on the 24" 1920x1200 LCD on my desktop just before posting, and every second until I could change the setting back was painful. My eyes kept trying to focus the blurry text... it was like using an old low-quality CRT, the kind that always gave me headaches.
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That being said, I like ClearType - on a high res LCD (my laptop's 1920x1200, for example).
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warden root # uptime
16:00:49 up 532 days
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Ditto for Debian (Score:2)
We have a whole slew of Debian PCs in our lab, and for the most part they run fine. One of our newer clusters just experienced some weirdness, but we tracked that down to my jobs (I'm creating hordes of minions in an attempt to develop artificial consciousness so that they'll write my dissertation for me) overheating the CPU. The solution, of course, was to edit the BIOS to raise the maximum allowable operating temperature... :)
P.S.: It wasn't my detective work that figured out the problem. Thanks Andrew!
Re:Have they fixed this issue yet? (Score:5, Informative)
You're think about Windows 95 and NT, not Linux. Windows drivers used the number of milliseconds since boot as the primary timekeeping mechanism. When that wrapped around to zero, some drivers crashed. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/216641 [microsoft.com] for more information on this bug.
Even though all of Microsoft's own code now properly handles the 49-day boundary, third-party code is still a problem on Windows systems. Most programs still use GetTickCount() as their primary sub-second timer, which returns that 32-bit milliseconds since boot. In fact, it was this very thing that shut down the LA air traffic control center some months back.
This has never been a problem with Linux. Linux doesn't use milliseconds as any internal time representation. Instead, it uses either the timeval structure, or jiffies. Jiffies are 100ths of a second, whereas a timeval is a set of two numbers representing both seconds since 1970, and nanoseconds in the current second.
Note that jiffies (in 32-bits) wrap around after 497 days, which used to cause a benign bug where the uptime display would wrap around to zero after that time period. No crash, though.
I dare say they're not the idiots, here, sir.
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The common fix is to use a 64-bit counter to track uptime instead of the 32-bit one. It's included in some kernels and not others. As another poster pointed out, the resolution on that timer is configurable, and may be tweaked a bit depending on who built your kernel. 1/100 sec was the standard for a very long time, but a slower interrupt clock means lower power consumption; desirable for laptops.
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Fortunately, it was a LiveCD and I could roll back to a stable, working system just by ejecting the CD and throwing it in the trash. Maybe next upgrade cycle Ubuntu will be usable...
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From the embarrassing lack of agreement between nouns and their modifiers all the way to "on accident" and the previously mentioned spelling errors, this review was garbage.
I'm not trying to be a dick here, but sometimes I think it's important to point out the more obvious pitfalls of "user generated content".
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fedoralegacy.org [fedoralegacy.org] is where you need to move for fc4 support, but better to move to fc6.
Also note that fc3 will only be supported by fedoralegacy until fc7-test1 ships.
Re:running it now and... (Score:5, Informative)
- 64-bit version that actually installs without errors - great!
- selinux enabled (and not permissive) out of the box - great!
- very quick installation - great!
- gnome 2.16 - great!
- enabling yp doesn't actually start ypbind at bootup - not so great
- setup requires you to set up a user under
- with two network cards with dhcp, the second will overwrite the configs of the first - not so great
- dhcp client not sending hostname to dhcp server - not so great
- bluetooth servers enabled by default and crash on shutdown on system without bluetooth - not so great
- beagle started in slurp mode by default kind of throws any security advantage out the window - not so great
- vnc started by default - not so great
- acpi services enabled by default on system without acpi - not so great
- X crashes if you click the button for enabling effects - not so great
- no choice for popular packages with alternatives (like vim/nvi, firefox/seamonkey, bash/ash/ksh) - not so great
- loads and loads of selinux warnings during normal operations, with logs growing to a gigabyte within a couple of hours - not so great
- update and install apps hang every now and then, and have to be killed - not so great
All in all, I like it better than the latest SuSE and Ubuntu, and I can see this being a good alternative for people who don't want to roll their own or use a lower-level approach like Gentoo. It still needs some polishing, though - especially in the networking and hardware detection setup. And I recommend setting this up on a trusted LAN only, as it seems to me to run too many services that may be helpful for newbies but spell potential trouble on untrusted networks.